addition to the systemic racism and police brutality that black americans know all too well was the need for reform, specifically, specifically, reform inside the police department in minneapolis. on friday, minneapolis mayor jacob frey signed a temporary restraining order with the state of minnesota, which forces immediate reforms to take place. these include banning the use of the choke hold and requiring police officers to both report and intervene in cases of excessive force. in congress, meanwhile, democratic members of both the house and senate have introduced the most sweeping reform in decades. that act would also ban chokeholds. it would limit qualified immunity for police officers which in layman's terms are rules that shield government officials for being sued for actions that they perform in

their official capacity. it would create a national misconduct registry so officers fired for misconduct couldn't simply go to another police force and get another police job. it would make lynching a federal crime because if you can believe it, it currently isn't. and it would end the use of no knock warrants in drug cases. that last provision might have saved the life of breonna taylor. the first responder who was fatally shot by police in louisville, kentucky, during a botched no-knock raid. her boyfriend fired at the intruders and shot an officer in the leg and the police fired back 20 rounds killing her. andrew cuomo announced save our name which includes making police officer's disciplinary records more public and classifies false race-based 911 calls as hate crimes.

and central park's amy cooper would maybe think twice before she calls the cops on the next black man trying to bird watch in peace. for more, i'm joined now by new york city public advocate jumaane williams. good to see you again. let's get into the reform proposals. i know it makes police officers' records more public. what does more public mean in that set of reforms? >> well, there are some states in new york included that shields people from actually seeing the records of police officers, even in case of misconduct. and of course, it's a shame in a place that for a progressive state we'd have to use so much energy to fight something like this, to fight let's say a chokehold. these are for me low hanging fruit. here in new york state i'm sorry that we spent eight, nine days just to have to get that on the agenda. i do hope it extents across the

country. excessive force included in the chokehold. the only thing i want to say is i hope we start -- go ahead. >> go on. >> the only thing i hope is that we start to dig even deeper and start to question what it is we believe public safety is. because too often we're equating public safety with simple more police, particularly in black and brown communities. so here in new york state we're asking the same governor to not cut medicaid and to raise revenue from the wealthiest people who are among us. in the city, the mayor -- this is probably the same across all of the country, the mayor is cutting every single summer youth job, every single summer slot for youth they're cutting the youth programs up to 40%, but the police budget remains intact, almost $6 billion with a "b" dollars.

so as long as you have those imbalances of where our funding and resources go, we're leading ourselves to this kind of tension that we see. >> and, you know, i'm always surprised that the governor when he does his daily tv show -- tv briefing isn't ever asked about the medicaid piece, because activists text me about all that time, and i'm glad you brought that up. you mentioned mayor, mayor de blasio he has now said they're going to lift the curfew. we're lifting the curfew effective immediately. we saw the very best of the city and tomorrow we take a step to restart and looking out for each other. i want to let you listen to some sound of mayor de blasio talking about the nypd. we have seen a lot of really alarming conduct on the streets of new york city, but here he is defending the nypd. >> a lot of restraint from the nypd overall.

the nypd has actually has taken a very own approach, flexible as always. >> police bludgeon peaceful protesters with batons for no reason. that's not a fact. they don't do that. anyone who did do that would be obviously reprehensible if not criminal. >> so that was the governor and the mayor. do you agree with their assessment of the way that the police have conducted themselves? >> you see some difference last night, was add gasoline. i just remind folks and these are the same two that made coronavirus the worst response rate on planet earth. as much as they look in the press conferences this is what actually happened. so i'm tired of like with the curfew, thanking people for the most basic things that should

have never been ever do, or we should have done a long time ago. i spent two or three days in the crowds telling them what was happening. nonviolent protests were being met with aggression and they were screaming mayor's curfew, we said, why, what is happening? simply it's time to go home. so when you have these kind of leaders who won't even listen to people who are protesting about not being listened to, when they have video, it's a scary start. but i hope based on what i'm starting to hear now that's start nonetheless. >> do you have confidence in the mayor and the governor to institute genuine police reform in new york city and new york state? >> i don't have confidence in this mayor and i don't have confidence in this governor. i do have a lot of confidence in the people of the city and the state to force our legislature and to force these leaders to do

the things that should have been done years ago and that were made worse under their watch. so i have confidence in the people there. the city council was actually doing a good job and moving some things through so i want to give them a shout-out as well but it should not have taken eight or nine days of unrest when these issues we were speaking about for such a long time. all of the people who now find it easy to take a knee because of the unrest many years ago were excoriating people like colin kaepernick. so i just to remind folks how long we have been pushing this and be careful of folks who are using certain protests as an excuse and all they want to do is quell the protests without responding in the first place. >> jumaane williams, public advocate for new york, thank you very much. i really appreciate you joining us this morning. thanks for your time.

joining me now is amy duckworth, senator from illinois and member of the armed services. i don't know if you were able to hear the public advocate in new york. he was talking about responding to the proposals for reform inside of new york city. there are -- there's also a senate and a house initiative to try to change the way that policing is conducted in this country. what are the chances of that passing through the senate? >> well, as long as donald trump is president and mitch mcconnell is the leader of the senate, it has zero chance of passing. i'll give you an example. i have introduced my bill on police training and reform independent investigation reform act. i started it introducing three years ago and it still has not been given a chance to see the light of day. i actually -- i asked unanimous consent to pat it three days ago and lindsey graham came to the floor and objected. so this is where we are.

until we get mitch mcconnell out of the leadership role and donald trump out of the white house, none of this is going to pass. >> and just for our audience, just to remind you of what it is that the senator is saying has no chance of passing, per politico, current federal law says that they have to be charged with wrongdoing and democrats want to revise the federal standard from willful to knowingly or with reckless disregard as well as altering the language covering when such illegal acts result in someone's death and ban a chokehold and senator duckworth you are saying that neat going to go through. one of the other things that you demanded investigations into the military helicopters which buzzed the protests in d.c. and you of course are a former army black hawk pilot and you're demanding investigations as to why they did that. sort of spraying the protesters

with wind that was so gusty that it could have broken windows and injured people. have you ever seen anything like that happen in an american city? >> i have never seen anything like that happening on purpose and i certainly never received any training either as a member of the army reserves or the national guard in terms of flight maneuvers. in fact, all of my training and the faa regulation actually states that you shall not fly an air craft lower than 400 feet above ground level where there are gatherings of people, so they broke all sorts of rules both in terms of military policy, as well as faa regulations. and that's why i am demanding an investigation into this because somebody gave those pilots permission to do that and i want to know who. and i want to know what the risk assessment was and why was it -- one of the aircraft was a lokota

was a medevac, so why was it performing a maneuver against protesters who are peacefully demonstrating. i'm going to be demanding answers. >> are you surprised to hear so many generals come out and decry the actions that were taken by this president to try to quell protests using the military when in fact as you just mentioned the military went ahead and did some of the things that they were told to do, that they participated? what do you make of all of the number of generals and i think this morning including general colin powell who have come out and said this was wrong. >> well, i am very much pleased that general colin powell, secretary powell, came forward and said something and that general mathis and general allen have spoken up. this is exactly the way it's supposed to be. our military leaders are supposed to be the ones who

stand up for the constitution of the united states. and are supposed to be the ones who tell their leaders the commander in chief that is an illegal order, you cannot do that. and i was very, very much appalled that we actually had secretary esper on a phone call with our nation's governors repeating what the president said to dominate the protesters and in fact, secretary esper called the protesters a battle space that needed to be dominated. that went against every fiber of my being as a former soldier and i know it went against every person's military being. so i'm glad to see they're speaking up and saying, no, sir, that's not what you're supposed to be doing. >> you probably heard this before, this william barr, defending the unmarked agents that are -- that were flooding the capital, that you know, guarding the lincoln memorial. just so many of them out there and it's not clear who they are

and they're exercising either police or military power on the streets of the united states. here he is defending that. >> in the federal system, we don't wear badges -- i mean, agents don't wear badges with their names or things like that. and i can understand why some of these individuals simply wouldn't want to talk to people about who they are. if that -- in that in fact was the case. >> is it credible to you as an explanation? >> it's not credible to me that bill barr didn't know what he was doing. obviously, he gave this order and in fact he brought in people from the bureau of prisons. the reason they don't wear -- when you're a prison guard, you're not -- you know, you don't wear identification as police because the people you're guarding are actually behind bars, i think that this is absolutely inappropriate what

he's doing. there were tsa security people out there. who are the people supposed to be guarding our airports, what are they doing out there, doing crowd control against peaceful protesters and so this whole use by bill barr of federal security forces, whether it's fbi, cia, tsa, federal bureau of prisons is completely inappropriate. it shows how much he's willing to pervert the criminal justice system for the -- you know, the benefit of a single person, donald trump. i'm ashamed he's our attorney general. >> and i have to -- before i lose my time with you here, you wrote a piece for nbc news along with joe biden, decrying donald trump and the way that he has encouraged anti-asian racism as part of his messaging campaign about covid. it was published on may 27th, to commemorate the end of

asian-american pacific islander month. i want to ask you what see happening in the community as a result of the things that donald trump has said. >> well, donald trump has certainly purposefully tried to demonize the community and let me say this that joe biden is the kind of leader we need in the white house, who is going to be very much sensitive to and take action and leadership on issues of diversity and racism. whether it's against aapi or the racism against black americans. there's systemic racism and injustice against black americans because of the color of their skip. yes, i have been told to go home to my country yet my ancestors fought here for the revolution. but at no point is somebody trying to kill me the way that the police officer killed george floyd on that city street. so let's be clear what the issue

we're talking about right now, we're talking about black americans being targeted, being victimized by the same policing forces that are supposed to preserve and protect. there are many good police officers out there, but there's a bias and a racism in the system that has to be fixed and i think joe biden will do that. what he's going to do is bring us together, not divide us. as general mathis said about donald trump, he's only dividing us as americans and splitting us up into troops and we need to come back together and unite and make sure that every single person in this country is treated equally. whether you're going for a jog, whether you're going out to ride your bicycle. whatever it is you're doing, you need to be treated equally under the law and that's not what is happening right now. >> well said. we are out of time but i almost hate to ask you this, but do you

know whether or not, senator, you're being vetted by joe biden to potentially be his running mate? >> you know, that process is just moving on their own. i'm not going to get involved in whatever process they're going through. joe biden has been a vice president. he knows what he's looking for. i would do whatever i can to get him elected to president because i think we need him in the white house, to bind the wounds of this country. we have gaping wounds across the country and donald trump is not the person to help us heal and he's spending all of his time in the bunker in the white house, hunkered down and worried about his re-election and joe biden, on the other hand, is going to help unify us as a country and lead us out of the -- you know, the economic morass we're in, and the issues that we're facing. i'll let that other process move on its own.

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in order to shift the culture of the department, you also to a certain extent need to have a shift of the people that are in it. and you get more -- you get the good officers in and you get the officers that are not responding to the changes that need to be made out. >> this really is about something much bigger than those four officers who murdered george floyd. it's about the culture that allowed them to so we have to change the culture and change the systems in such a way that if there's individuals within those cultures and those systems who just won't or just cannot change, we have the capacity of moving them out of our systems.

>> and as the debate rages as how to prevent death at the hands of the police, many are calling on the police defunding and to redirect the money to housing, social services, education. but not everyone is on board. jacob frey was booed saturday after saying he did not support defunding or abolishing the police department. joining me is a retired nypd detective. and a former police chief in ferguson, missouri. and an opinion writer for "the washington post" and the author of "rise of the warrior cop," this is a great panel. cory booker who was a former mayor, now he's a united states senator. he was on "meet the press" this morning about the concept of defunding the police. >> there's so much money going

into our police departments that it's a more expensive way to deal with it. we would actually spend less money, we would elevate human dignity and potential and we would set a standard on the plan it earth for how we treat those who are vulnerable as opposed to what we're seeing right now. >> and i'm going to go to you first, delrish, because you were a former police chief. minneapolis city council member steve fletcher talked about this idea of taking money away from the police department saying we'd already pushed for pilot programs to dispatch county mental health problems without police officers. and we're focus on the de-escalation and we can turn traffic enforcement over to cameras and potentially our parking enforcement staff rather than our police department. and one more bite from minneapolis, minneapolis public

schools have already terminated their contract with the police department over george floyd's death so there's already some defunding going on. are those the solutions you think would change the dynamic between police and the community? take less money away and take less responsibility away from police? >> well, i think that defunding is probably not the best option. i do think that some of those other alternatives are ways to go. one of the things that we're doing is we're putting too much focus on policing situations. mental health crisis, call the police. simple dispute with your neighbor, call the police. i think we're putting too much on police. but i don't know that defunding is the way to go because i have seen in some cities where low wages and the problems with not having enough resources have caused more corruption and more problems so i think what we'll have to do is look at that in the community standpoint. i think there are 18,000 police

departments with different personalities and different structures and i think we have to look at that on a case by case basis. >> let me go to you on this, same question, mark. there's an atlantic piece i'll read right now. that at all levels of government, the county spends on police and prisons and courts and it plays eight times as much on defense as on education. looking at cities the numbers are at least sometimes similarity skewed. oakland spends 41% of the general fund budget on policing. minneapolis 36%. houston 35%. even when you look at los angeles, eric garcetti the mayor said they'll cut $150 million from the lapd budget but their budget is $8.3 billion. so these communities are spending a lot of money on

police a lot more than on social services so does cutting -- would cutting that money make a difference, mark? >> it definitely would make a different, but i think what's important is we have to really recognize the fact there are so many different defunding models that are out there. and many questions will involve just involve the city or the state funding. perhaps federal funding also will be involved in the defunding effort and whether or not the -- the big question as far as gathering support or garnering people, if people believe that defunding the police, in one of the many shapes or forms is more progressive or punitive. if it's being presented in the more punitive way, then you'll have of course a natural political backlash from the unions, let's say, moving forward. it's vitally important as far as pushing the agenda forward to deal with how moneys are being spent and if you want to funnel

those funds into more militarized enforcement models. that's the major question. will it have an impact, absolutely. >> you know, you have written about the overmilitarization of police. i want to let you listen to mayor garcetti taking about his thinking in terms of the cutting that he did. it's not a lot of cutting, but it's a lot in real dollar terms. here is garcetti. >> that our city through our city administrative officer identified $250 million in cuts. so we could invest in jobs, in health, in education and in healing. and that those dollars need to be focussed on our black community here in los angeles. as well as communities of color and women and people who have been left behind.

to every department including the police department, because we all have to be a part of this solution together. >> you know, radley, the unions were brought up, the idea there would be backlash from the unions the union said, a quote, you're pissing us off to joe biden for talking about police reform. is it even fair that the police unions can allow police to be self-governed to resist even the most moderate supervision by the public who then -- who they then have the right to -- you know, they have life and death power over people and yet they don't want supervised. so the idea of cutting their budgets becomes a political problem for elected officials. this doesn't make sense to a lot of people. >> yeah, i think that the unions are negotiating not in the way that the private sector unions do. they're negotiating with sort of public safety.

the former police chief of seattle writes about this in his book which is that when cities face fiscal difficulties and fiscal crises, one way that they negotiate with police unions is by offering them less oversight in exchange for say pension reform or cuts to increases in salary. they'll decrease the amount of oversight, they'll leej -- when the police face discipline or firing that's a problem i think. because you have the police union which has the interests of the police officers in mind, obviously. then you have the elected officials who you know are basically sort of negotiating on behalf of the people voting for them and not necessarily everybody in the community. i think that's -- that is a huge problem. >> you know, mark claxton, i think about in new york city, police officers marching against david dinkins because he wanted them to do more community

policing and rudy giuliani saying you have a free hand, do whatever you want, the free attitude then we they came back and sort of rewarding donald trump in the same way. i think people who are being policed particularly black people this seems like an unfair bargain because it means we're seeing the kind of brutality we have seen during the protests and there's no oversight. >> yeah, without a doubt. what's interesting about the union resistance to defunding is let's be real. it's only residual impact to any police union. what is being defunded are the departments, the agencies themselves. residually what tends to occur is that membership is down so they focus on the power behind the numbers of their members. but police unions are notoriously and historically against any progressive movement. anything that involves further restrictions or limitations on their members they'll be against it. it's a reflex action for unions.

it will always be that way. you have to take control. let the agencies themselves deal with the union opposition. that's the most important thing to do. like i said, the question is how is this defunding presented, whether or not it's a progressive movement or if it's punitive movement. we have to be real about it. >> right. i think it's important to know. i'll give you the last word on this, delrish. our god brother is a police officer, so it is -- it's pretty well paid job. and so, you know, it comes with a lot of power, you know, power over your fellow human being. so do you think that police agencies can be -- can come to the table and accept more oversight because it is a life and death matter, particularly for people of color.

i want to let you discuss that and ella jones, the first back mayor of ferguson, where you used to be the police chief so please feel free to comment on that. >> yeah, i spoke with ella on a number of occasions and after the numbers came in. going back to the first part of your question, with regard to -- actually i forgot the first part of your question. >> whether or not police will -- police unions and police leadership will accept more oversight, because it is a life and -- it's a good job with a pension. shouldn't they accept more oversight or a smaller budget and more responsibility being moved out of their hands? >> well, with regard to oversight, we police at the pleasure of the people. so the people pay our salaries. the people demand what their priorities are and they demand what they do and they have every right to very -- very sufficient

oversight. in fact, in ferguson one of the things we put together was the civilian oversight panel that actually looks into my findings as a police chief. and so oversight is going to come. cutting budgets, i think every community has to make that decision because in some cases i have seen there was one police department in missouri where they made $12 an hour, the police officers. >> yeah. >> and salaries are a large part of their -- but there was corruption because they were low paid. >> yeah. i wish we had more time, but we don't. i have -- i have a light flashing in my face so i have to end this segment right now. thank you guys very much. good to see you, my friend, delrish. coming up, the growing outcry against donald trump from those who used to work for him. yes, the call is coming from inside the house. as we go to break let's hear from some of the people who came out saturday for d.c.'s biggest days of protest yet.

>> so why did you decide to come in today? >> oh, my god, i decided to come in today because i wanted to get uncomfortable and get involved and what's needed to bring about change. >> you were the one who wanted to get your whole family out here today. why was this important to you? >> well, this has been going on for too long. and like we suddenly need to do something. because we can't just sit back and wait for a change of heart in the lawmakers. sit back and wait for a change of heart in the lawmakers how about no no uh uh, no way

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we have a constitution and we have to follow that constitution. and the president's drifted away from it. yes, i agree with all of my former colleagues. remember i have been out of the military for 25 years. >> former generals are joining the growing chorus against donald trump, threatening to unleash the united states military against its own people. a show of force that showed the dystopian scene of national guard troops on the steps of the

lincoln memorial. for "the chicago tribune," the guard has been called into duty and operated under the control of the president just 12 times in the nation's history. during the civil rights movement, the guard was mobilized in the south to protect african-americans such as escorting black students into schools during the segregation movement. and up trump has flipped that historic mission on the head. joining me now is david frum, senior editor of the atlantic and author of. it has been to protect black children who wanted to go to school, it has been to protect black marchers. i cannot think of a time when it

was used against peaceful protesters. it is a shock and i wonder to you what are your thoughts on it? >> well, i have been going into the d.c. zone, protest zone, both near the white house and lincoln memorial just about every since the protests started in d.c. distanced and masked. more than nine out of ten protesters have been. and i have been struck by how each day the crowds get both bigger and more orderly than they were the day before. and i think the troops noticed this too. and what you also see is more and more relaxed contact between -- we have to distinguish between these no name tag, no insignia, not very soldierly people who are on the front line and the much more relaxed what you expect the soldier to look like, the national guard people and blocking the traffic and expecting what the military will do. we get them from the marine corps marathon to help with the

traffic and i think they're looking at this, this is like a marine corps marathon, be respectful to people. >> thank you for that distinction because i found -- you know, even working on campaigns, et cetera, you find that the military folks the people even after 9/11 that were in the airports, the people who are secret service, the very highly trained people, they tend to be quite respectful. it is -- it would be surprising to see them behaving in the way that we have seen some unfortunately local law enforcement behave. so it is important to make the distinction, the one exception of course being that helicopter that buzzed the protesters which was shocking and senator duckworth expressed her shock too as a military pilot. it's important to make that distinction but we're seeing a lot of the military members coming forward to defend the honor, defend the affinity between the united states and the military. mattis, mike mullen, martin

dempsey, you have had u.s. ambassadors, u.s. military officers, more than 280 signed a statement saying that the stationing of air national guard troops on the lincoln memorial is inflammatory and risks sullying the men and women in uniform. i think that's an important message but do you think it's undercut by the fact that some members of the united states military including the current joint chief participated in the photo-op after the streets were cleared? >> i have a whole chapter about trump/military relations over the last four years. the military is signaling how distressed it is about the trump presidency. the very first important american to speak publicly about -- it was not a ceo, it was the chief of naval

operations. and he was joined within 72 hours by every single one of the service chiefs. army, air force, coast guard too. the head of the national guard, not criticizing the president, but signaling their extreme discomfort with the president's remarks after charlottesville. remember how the military refused to take part in -- didn't refuse, but how they signalled they did not want to take part in the president's fantasy of a military parade during pennsylvania avenue. i had a long discussion of that, how they kept finding reasons not to do it. we don't have the budget to repave the streets but what they're really saying don't make us do, you know, your bar mitzvah parade for you, that's not our job. i quote through the book the military time surveys that are done once a year where they ask soldiers, enlisted personnel and officers, their approval of the president. and donald trump's approval has been startingly low among the uniformed military and lower

among the officers than among the enlistees. i talk about why this is so. the military is the most effectively integrated institution in american life. and the success of integration military officers see as mission critical. the cohesion of their units is the most important thing to getting the job done. and that means everyone in the unit has to feel respected. if you have a president who doesn't respect all americans, that's an attack on the effectiveness of the military. so it's not just a political objection they have or a moral one. i'm sure they have that too. he's attacking their ability to do their jobs by undermining trust between people who have to trust theirs to each other. >> now, your book is appropriately entitled which i think a lot of people think that we're currently living in. but the question is that whether or not it will be a continued trumpopocalypse after the election.

his poll numbers are very low. the new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll may 28th to june 22nd, 55% prefer a candidate who looks for compromising consensus, and donald trump's approval rating in this latest poll is 45%. i think what concerns a lot of people is that 45% is quite consistent and quite persistent. it is among largely almost entirely made up of white americans, white evangelical christians, who are not moving away, no matter what he does. holding a bible upside down. tear gassing protesters, misusing religion in such a blatant way and signaling a true love of autocracy. why doesn't it move that 45% of people away? >> well, i think it is moving, but let's -- even if it doesn't

what do you call somebody that's 45% in a two-candidate election? a loser. >> good answer. david frum, concise. congratulations on the book, i wish you well with it, sir. thank you for being on. and coming up in our next hour, the new polling that has donald trump freaking out about his election chances as david frum set us up for perfectly and the author of "white fragility" is going to join us. ly and the author of "white fragility" is going to join us.

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election is gearing up to one of the most crucial in modern american history, with the stakes of deepening the pain and division in this country or getting this country back on the painful and difficult but crucial path toward change. george floyd's grieving brother pointed out monday, that fight goes beyond the presidency. in an op ed barack obama called out voters to turn out in local elections and vote down ballot. he stressed it's the elections of the mayors and district and state attorneys who could play a crucial role in reforming police departments and the criminal justice system. for many people and lack trust in a system they feel has failed to deliver for them, engagement is crucial but may be an uphill battle. on tuesday, we did see the difference that some of the local races can make when the people of ferguson elected ella jones as the first

african-american and first woman mayor of ferguson, missouri. six years after the police killing of michael brown rocked the city. we saw it with the ouster of steve king known for his history of racist remarks. when it comes to the race for president, joe biden secured enough delegates this week tore formally become the democratic nominee. as for donald trump, recent polling, not in his favor. a new nbc news "wall street journal" poll this morning shows biden with a seven point lead over donald trump nationwide. according to new reporting from one of my next gets, behind closed doors, trump is feeling the pressure. a backdrop of a staggering toll of more than 110,000 lives lost from covid-19 and mass protests in all 50 states. trump is venting that democratic governors are allowing civil unrest to rage in american cities all just to damage his reelection campaign.

joining me now is erin hage, gauge sherman, tara dowdell, and david jolly, former republican congressman and national chairman of the serve america movement as well as kurt bardella. thank you for being here. y'all know what i want to go to. i want to play this -- i'm sorry, we want to six. we want the pittsburgh -- sorry, sorry. the joe biden political ad running. this is five for my producers. i apologize. this is the new biden political ad out about the situation we are seeing now. take a listen. >> i won't traffic in fear and division. i won't fan the flames of hate.

i will seek to heal the racial wounds that have long plagued our country, not use them for political gain. i will do my job as i will take responsibility. i won't blame others. i promise you, this job is not about me, it's about you. >> the prompter -- by the way, here is "vanity fair." it's spiraling out of control, confronting a failed presidency, trump plays politics with the protest. trump is telling people he is winning. he thinks joe biden, not condemning rioters, will be biden's mistake in appealing to suburban voters. a republican said this opened up new narratives in the campaign. does donald trump think this is winning? >> yes, joy. this is a president from the

beginning he came down the he s stairs has run and governed for his base. his strategy to get re-elected is not to win over suburban independents no matter what his campaign advisers will tell you or him. his strategy is to mobilize the angry populist white base that propelled him into office in 2016. that is why his approach to the george floyd protest has been to not demonstrate empathy or to identify at all with the movement that this has sparked. it has been to side with law enforcement. he has never once condemned police brutality. he is staking his re-election on this idea that there will be a conservative backlash. as you pointed out at the top of the segment, joe biden leading seven points nationally. he is leading him by a significant number in swing states, florida, wisconsin and

others. we're going to see the results of that. this is clearly a white house that is not going -- looking at what is happening and trying to do any kind of course correction. >> let's play another ad. this is the lincoln project that's been hammering donald trump and will do the same thing to republican senators up for re-election. this one takes into account the militarization of the response to the protests. take a listen. >> when donald trump came out of hiding this week, he didn't do it to bring us together or heal the nation. he wasn't there to offer words of calm and comfort. instead, he became what we always feared, evoked the worst of our past. ordered an attack on unarmed protesters using gas, rubber bullets and flash grenades. washington transformed into a war zone for this coward.

>> kurt, the idea that donald trump is trying to run a '68 richard nixon, but he is the incumbent and the chaos is on his watch. you can see by these really quite good lincoln project ads, they are very effective. i don't understand how he thinks he will win against those images. your thoughts? >> we have seen time and again donald trump just kind of resort to the same playbook and tactics over and over as if he isn't in office. he acts like he is coming up against, when in reality he is in charge of everything. he owns everything. the problem when you make everything about yourself as we have seen the narcissistic trump do, it's really hard to convince the american people after four years of the trump show to say things that are going wrong, whether it's the coronavirus, whether it's racial injustice, whether it's unrest in our streets, it's hard to convince people it's not your fault, it's

not happening under your watch. i think the lincoln project ads, i hope every democrat is paying attention, because that is the type of tone and content it takes to beat donald trump. that's how you beat donald trump at his own game. we are up against massive uphill battles here. when the trump white house has at this disposal media networks and social media platforms like facebook enabling propaganda to hijack protests. breitbart was under water. there were questions whether it would sub viefrvive. because of facebook, it's the number two social engagement platform when it comes to news sites. that's what we are up against. that's the mobilization they have at their disposal. we need the content lincoln row

jekt is p project is putting out to fight fire with fire. >> facebook has been benign or helpful to the trump side. however, having been a republican elected official yourself, a politician, the problem is he has white male voters, white evangelical voters -- we are see some softening among evangelicals, some softening among white women voters. anything he loses is bad because he didn't win a majority the first time. anything that joe biden gains just by being normal, it doesn't seem like it makes sense to just aggressively keep what you have politically. i could be wrong. you have done this before. am i wrong? >> no. look, joy, i think they are approaching the race as you and

i approached as if there are no persuadable voters. he has given up the blue wave. he has to mobilize the voters he does have. he does that through this very caustic, divisive narrative, if you will. a lot of people in the country know we are facing a national moment. what joe biden says will define the soul of america. it's true. whether or not as a nation we are up to meeting that moment is yet to be determined. what you saw in the biden ad and the lincoln project ad is it hits at a distrust that many americans feel under this administration. 2020 has revealed our partisan divide, not healed it. between covid and the economic collapse and the murder of george floyd and the unrest and protests now, people have two reactions. one is a distrust of government and the other is this feeling to change the entire systemic fabric of our politics.

on the former, the question of trust, one candidate, joe biden, is running to restore trust. donald trump is running to further that perpetual distrust. that's his capital. in this moment where people are feeling the anxiety of 2020, joe biden's message of trust, democrats' message of trust is resonating more loudly and will bring that 2018 blue wave coalition into november 2020. >> he could almost have his campaign slogan -- wouldn't you like to sleep at night? erin the other side of that coin is that i think for white voters, there is the sort of lever where joe biden can eek out and grab maybe another 1% here, 2% there. right? but his base is that he has to turn out black voters. he will win the majority, but he has to turn them out. there's a piece that suggests it

might not be as easy as one would think it would be given the circumstances. democrats have urged african-americans to channel their frustration into voting. we saw president obama do that. for younger black voters, many of whom are protesting, that requires trust in a system that they believe has done little for them or their families. joe biden is struggling to connect with young voters, particularly those of color, according to public and private polling. it's a serious problem for the former vice president that started during the primary. you have been talking with vote voters. places where black voters are absorbing the murder of breonna taylor. what are you hearing back in terms of whether voters are motivated to channel their anger and frustration into voting? >> i think that that is going to be the question. for a lot of black voters, voting is a form of protest,

it's a form of resistance. that's not necessarily the case for some younger black voters for whom, frankly, their conditions have not changed regardless of who was in the white house. i think because we see again in 2020 as we saw in 2016 that the president is going to be going to a racial playbook -- we see him again talking about this message of law and order. we see him again raising the specter of voter suppression and possibly voter fraud in cities across the country like philly where i am where there are many black people who could be headed to the polls. these are messages that are resonating with black voters whose enthusiasm we saw in the primary and whose outrage we have seen in protests across the country. translating that, especially for younger voters, from a message on the streets to the ballot box is one that is going to be

important for joe biden and democrats up and down the ticket in getting them to turn out in the kinds of numbers that they are going to need to devefeat ts president. >> tara, as somebody who has advised political campaigns, biden, he could play it as i'm the guy who can help you sleep at night. i will be a normal american president without all of the overt dog whistling and bringing in the military. he has that going for him. the extra thing he needs is turnout among a base of younger, particularly younger people of cl color. those protesters are not all black. the majority are white, actually. you have a lot of younger voters who in the primary were more aligned toward bernie sanders who are angry about the economic disparities, about the political disparities, about the racial disparities. how would he then get that and translate that into voting for joe biden?

>> i think he has a lot of work to do on that front. i think that's what we are seeing in the polling. he is making the effort. he was out with the protesters saying he agreed with the protesters. what's important for him to do is he has to remind people, pull no punches, don't worry about backlash, that's my concern with democrats, pull no punches, be straight up and just remind them about, it was trump that was encouraging violence against protesters at his rallies. black men were attacked at his rallies. we had that on tape. it was trump encouraging law enforcement to attack protesters. it was trump who had tear gas and all kinds of other attacks levelled against protesters who wanted to militarize our cities to squash people who are out there just exercising their constitutional right to protest their government. i think that biden needs to do a

lot of the work with younger voters, get out there. obviously, social distance talk to them. talk to them virtually. he deputize younger voters and include them in the formation of his policies. i would create policy groups amongst black women, younger african-americans, younger people. we would take those policies that we received, those recommendations from the groups and we would memorialize them into the policy. the other piece is, he has to have a plan against voter suppression. we have a lot of organizations showing how younger voters are disenfranchised. a lot of younger voters are disenfranchised. they need a reason to access absentee ballot. older voters can get it without a reason. there are a lot of barriers. there are voter purges going on.

be very clear, as these protests are going on, as we face the covid-19 pandemic, many states are using this opportunity to -- under the cover of darkness, to increase their voter suppression. that's another piece that we cannot leave out of the equation when we talk about ensuring the turnout that's needed. >> meanwhile, donald trump tried to register to vote using a wrong address, out of state address. voter fraud a little bit here and there. wish i had more time. erin, gabriel, tara, david, kurt, the time is against me today. coming up, we will have the latest on the pittsburgh paper, get this, accused of barring black reporters from covering the george floyd protests. that's next.

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i just got hit in the side. >> move out of there as quickly as you can. >> move! move! >> wow. it isn't just the protesters who faced violence as they demand justice. journalists have been goating roughed getting roughed up. now some journalists are saying their employers are putting a muzzle on their reporting. joining me now are those two reporters from the "pittsburgh

post gazette." i want to know that we did reach out to the editors this morning. we have not yet heard back. i want to thank you for being here. alexis, i will start with you. we don't have the tweet at the moment. you had a may 31 tweet in which you -- we do have it. you pointed out horrifying scenes in the aftermath of selfish -- you put in all caps looters. sorry. these are pictures from a tailgate referring to the american country singer ken yin chesney. a writer says i fired a story today about city council memb members. the link is broken. i alerted the newsroom. when you click on that story by ashley murray, you get a broken link. both have said your reporting has been suppressed. i will let you speak first, alexis. >> sure. sent that tweet out a week ago

today. i never knew that i would be here with all this controversy surrounding it. i thought it was light hearted and food for thought. i didn't think it showed any bias. i never mentioned pittsburgh or anything about our coverage. monday morning when i was informed that i was taken off of covering anything protest related i was really frustrated. i continue to ask, how does this -- they said we have a social media policy which we don't. there are guidelines from management. we don't have a social media policy in our contract, in our union contract. there was no rules i even specifically violated. they just told me that the bias came through in the tweet and the credibility of the newsroom would be called into question. >> michael, i want to bring you into this. i saw your tweet. folks pointed out to me what was going on. i saw all of your tweets after

that. you were part of the "pittsburgh post gazette" team that won a pulitzer prize for covering of the tree of life synagogue massacre. that's important to note. tell us what has happened to you. you have been involved in this as well. >> yes. the first protest that i covered was saturday. i was there when things got crazy. that was the last one i covered. throughout the week i noticed i was being kept away from some of the protesting, even though i was on shift when things were going on. then i finally was scheduled to cover a protest happening yesterday. friday around 6:30, i had a co-worker call me informing me i was no longer going to be able to cover the protest saturday. that's when i knew -- >> were you given a specific reason? >> no. i have yet to hear a specific reason about why we were taken off coverage from anyone.

>> did you -- do you get the sense that you are being pulled off coverage had to do with alexis? were you aware of what happened with alexis? >> absolutely. as soon as i found out what happened to alexis, i just stood up for he hr. there was no way i was going to let it happen. i was goi ining protect her. >> alexis, have you been told specifically in those terms that your editors feel that you are biased because of your race? that they think you have too much affinity for the people protesting? >> they didn't say that. they said that -- they kept going back to the social media policy and saying it was because of the tweet that they felt that i showed bias publically. the irony of that was i wasn't the only reporter that was given a warning or talked to about

their social media conduct. last weekend, on monday the day i was taken off coverage, a white male reporter was also talked to about a tweet that he sent out. he was not taken off coverage. he covered the protests the following day. he and i were both talked to about our social media conduct over the weekend. i was the only one that was told i couldn't cover the protests because i showed bias. >> do you know of any black reporters that are currently covering the protests, either of you? do you know of any? >> we do have one. the "pittsburgh post gazette" has few black reporters in general. there's one that is still covering the protests at this time. there's only a few of us here. >> only a few. michael, do you agree with that? >> that is abosolutely correct. >> alexis, michael, the power of

twitter. thank you and our booking producers tracked them down. thank you very much. appreciate it you joining us this morning. joining me now to discuss more about this is rashad robinson and tiffany cross. i'm going to you first because your book hinges directly on the question of black voters and media and media representation. what do you make of this incident? >> it's a microcosm for the problem with the media landscape across the country. when you look at this -- these two young reporters who were sidelined for speaking truth and being accused of bias when really there are narratives bias against us all the time. the city population of pittsburgh is over 20% black, the employee status of black reporters is less than 10%. when you look at the landscape at large, women of color, who

comprise staff in newsrooms is less than 8%. when you take women of color and get down to bloack women, it's smaller. when you look at that through social justice, black people have always had to die in spectacular fashion to pierce the white narratives of what happens to us. when you mute those voices, you are really whitewashing and bleaching our american experience and destroying democracy at the same time. this is such a dangerous error. it's interesting seeing the reporters and hosts come out and talk about police brutality when really the issue is white supremacy larger. when you have newsrooms decrying how awful this is when they have few black hosts, few black reporters, few black people in positions of editorial decision making power, you have to say, this has to change. you can even extend this to the news landscape and broadcast news. a lot of the average viewer of cable news is over 60-year-old white men.

you ask the executives, you know that audience is not immortal. at some point you have to make your coverage more inclusive. every day, they are losing younger people of color in their viewership. >> rashad, i used to teach a class in race gender in media. we discuss the fact you don't see white reporters being told, you might be too biased to cover the republican party, which is overwhelmingly white and predominantly male. the affinity is not presumed. there's a presumption. this seems to be particularly egregious. in your view, do you think it is? >> absolutely. this is actually part of what we're able to challenge in this moment. i think this is how we're able to undo these conventions. for the last 20 years in this country, violent crime has been steady went down. if you look at surveys, most americans think that violent crime is going up.

it's a mix of what we are seeing in our news coverage, what see on television shows. all of these things create context. certain people get to tell those stories. whether we have all white writers' rooms in hollywood or all white rooms in the bullpen in newspapers or rooms where black writers are not given voice to tell the story, now we have a real demand. another real demand for corporate america, who is posting black lives matter all over the hash tags. now we have a real direct demand. if you are advertising in this newspaper right now and you are seeing that these journalists who are covering, who are not allowed to cover black lives matter protests, who are black, now we have a question for you. are you going to demand something different from the things you put your money behind? are you going to demand different coverage because this

is actually where we're at in this moment. we're no longer going to accept present. where he going to accept a new level of power, a new level of changing the rules about how our stories are covered, about how we are representing in the media, about how we get to tell our own stories. the fact of the matter is is for those who get to dictate who is biased and who is not, what is truth, what is not, has always been under contention many this country. news media from the very beginning has had sort of opinion and context in it from the folks who wrote journals during the revolutionary era to the folks who were part of the journals during the abolition period. all of these things are part of how we cover stories. it is very interesting how those in power want to silence the voices of our community under this false idea of bias as if they do not have bias of keeping the status quo in place.

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i would love to see a panel -- nbc host a panel of white americans talking about what they plan to do to address the issues that are leading black folks to be in the streets. >> 100%. i imagine everybody on this panel has probably gotten calls from their white friends and white allies who are asking these very questions and haven't done the research themselves. they are coming to us like we're supposed toencyclopedia. what have you done? what have you looked into? >> i'm sure you saw countless black squares littering your instagram feed thanks so the

social media movement known as blackout tuesday. by the end of the day tuesday, that had been posted more than 23 million times. many black americans saw this as a convenient replacement for an actual conversation with their white peers about racism. joining me now is robin deangelo, probably the most recommended book on this whole situation that everyone i know is recommending people read. good morning and thank you for being here. i want to point you to a new poll on views of the death of george floyd. 54% of white americans believe that -- 59% are troubled by floyd's death and the actions of police. 54% of whites are troubled by it, 65% of latinos, 78% of african-americans and 27% of all respondents were more concerned

about the protests than about george floyd's death. how does it turn out that something that seemed so obvious and should be universal is not? >> good morning, joy. there are so many dimensions that come together. there's not one single thing that makes it so hard for white people to see and understand racism, much less care about racism. the first thing is we don't understand what it is. we're taught to think about it as individual acts committed by mean, intentional people. that definition i don't know you could come up with a more effective way to protect the system of racism, because it exempts virtually all white people from that system. it's the root of virtually all white defensiveness. individual conscious malintent across race. that leads to, i'm not racist. i would ask white americans to remove that phrase from their vocabular vocabulary. when we say i'm not racist --

you can check me if i'm wrong -- we're clueless about what racism is. we have no skills. we can't tell you what it means to be white. we're going to deny and invalidate your reality and experience. virtually every act we could identify as racist was committed by a white person who said, i'm not racist. being a good person and complicit with the system is one challenge. the ideology of individualism. we're taught we are unique and special. you were talking about this idea that white people are objective on racism, which is outrageous. we are the least objective on racism. we are the most invested in a system that serves us and invested in not seeing that system or how it serves us. it's an example how whiteness perverts reality, if you will. internalize superiority.

that's the hardest to look at. no white person misses the message that it's better to be white. at the same time, we're told we could never admit to that or we will be bad people. we're also granted the universal voice. we can speak for all humanity from no particular position and you always and only speak from a very specialized biased position. when you put that potogether an throw in segregation, most white people don't even know black people and let's be honest aren't taught that there's any loss about that. most white people go cradle to grave with no authentic relationships with black people. not only don't feel lost but measure the value of their schools and neighborhoods by the absence of black people. that's a very deep message. when you put it together, you

get some pretty intense irrationality, denial and resistance. >> to that very point -- it's important to point out that you get that that kind of dynamic of living in a world where the black people in your life are only on television and you don't really know hardly any, it's not just on the right or on the left. it's kind of across the board. i have two examples. there's the cyclist who everybody has seen the video of him confronting a young white girl putting up a sign about george floyd. he rips the sign out of her hands. he assaults a guy on a bike who is filming the whole thing. he has apologized. he has been arrested. he says he is sick with remorse for pain and fear he caused the victims. he has done the apology you have to do. that's one side. on the other side -- we don't know what his political leanings are. whatever they are. on the other side, you have with

now "daily beast" has a piece at the national organization for women. nearly a dozen members, employees and visitors recall women of color being heckled at meetings. the behavior culminated at the 2017 conference where witnesses say members dismissed one of the candidates as angry and entitled and accused of being a hot headed latina. more than a dozen women, including outgoing women, marched around a conference room to protest racism in the organization. this doesn't appear to be simply a right wing thing. >> i think white progressives can be the worst. we're so committed to saving face to this idea of ourselves as down and woke and not racist, that where we put our energy. white women -- i am a woman.

i am a feminist. i experience patriarchy. sometimes we can be the most challenging because we're so defensive. >> i recommend that people read "white fragility". thank you for taking time with us this morning. another case where i could talk to you all day. thank you very much. coming up, the filmmaker behind the black panthers, vanguard of the revolution, joins me next. t. usaa was made for right now. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members

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white person. attack dogs, fire hoses. >> police jump on you, put a gun at your head. this is what we were going through on a daily basis. >> on the evening of a black revolution. >> we have voices within a community that were not going to continue to turn the other cheek. >> this emmy and peabody award nominated film "the black panthers, vanguard of the revolution" documents an era of unrest that feels relevant today. how does the filmmaker, who seems to have passed on his interests in activism to his children, feel about what's currently going on? joining me now is the filmmaker stanley nelson, who is celebrating a birthday today. happy birthday, sir. thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. >> sure thing. let's talk about the symmetry, it feels like, between 1968 and today. except nixon is being played by

the incumbent president. you had civil rest was about police brutality. it was about the vietnam war. it was about all those other factors. how was it similar and how was it different? >> i think it's very similar in that people are getting out in the streets and protesting. probably the majority are young people. many of them are being politicized for the first time. i think that's very similar to what was going on. i think we're living in a totally unique environment with the coronavirus, with 40 million people unemployed, with a president who is not even trying to speak to the majority of the american people. >> what's interesting is that it feels like richard nixon -- he was the outsider that was saying, you don't want this chaos, white america, look at this chaos, look at these angry

black people, aren't you scared, you need to vote for nixon, you silent majority. in this case, it's not clear that donald trump can make that kind of a case in the same way. he has those because he's got those kinds of people voting for him. they're already voting for him. the case a that the other side is going to make is look at this chaos. don't you want to end it? so it does feel like it's sort of nixon on its head. >> yeah, i mean you know, trump is the incumbent so it's very different. anything happened happened on his watch. so george floyd was killed on his watch. 110,000 people died of coronavirus so far on his watch. all of these protests happened on his watch. so it's not like you know elect me and i can come in and make things better. we've seen what donald trump can do and does so i think it's very

different. >> you know, the black panthers who arose during this era, was, it was not just the sense of black pride. you know and black power in saying we're demanding to have power within the system but also saying we're going to watch the police. we're going to keep an eye on police. also serve breakfast to our kids in our community. we're going to be the civil service organizations and some service entity that the government is not. is there something similar, that kind of activism extend today? do you see it now in any of the organizations working for civil justice? >> one of the things that's so extraordinary about the panther movement and so the same for what's happening now is the panther started six guys in oakland, california. they started as a result of brutality in oakland. it start as a very local thing. the police were incredibly

brutal. in many ways, the way this movement started out. it started out a few people protesting and it's just grown and grown and grown until it's worldwide. there are so many, so many similarities to the panthers and wh we are now in this day. i think the main thing though we want to do is make sure that this thing keeps on going. you know we politicize a hope young people and we just want them to stay politicized. that's what's important. that this is now is about way more than george floyd's death. >> yeah, what do you make of the sort of demonization of the black panthers giving what they were trying to accomplish, feeding children from reagan back into the mullford act to take away their ability to bear arms. to megyn kelly and others on fox who demonize them as supposedly the thread to people who wanted to vote.

but then all the way on the other side to black panther being the biggest marvel must've of all time. what do you make of that? >> well, i think it's problpagaa and it was used in so many ways like trump is using propaganda now. nixon called the black panthers the greatest internal threat to the security of america. and this was at the time we were fighting in vietnam a. the panthers were a group of young black people. the it's the same kind of thing. look this way. don't look at that. so there's this whole narrative where all we talk about are the looting and other things that happened. and try to lose sight of what's really going on. which are the protests by hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people. and there's this narrative to talk about the looting by a very

small group of people. it was the same in many ways with the panthers. >> yeah, i think about this young lady who trevor noah reposted her six minute rant where she talked about the broken social contract sh, do you understand why the small number of people looting are doing it. stanley nelson, everyone should watch everything you make. you're great. please catch the black panther's vanguard of the revolution, airing on june 10th on pbs and supre streaming through july 4th. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> before we go, back by pop already demand, yes, your favorite segment. who won the week? not going to even make it a contest. clearly, the winners of the week

are the hundreds of thousands of protestors taking to the streets to demand racial justice and here are some of them. >> no justice no peace! >> since i was 12 years old, i've been fighting for justice for the understanding that black lives do truly matter. >> i think it's absolutely abhorrent that at this day in time, we're still having to go through this. >> i'm 19 years old. nothing has changed. we are still fighting for the same thing. >> black people have been fig fighting this fight for years. hurrican hundreds of years and it's a shame that in 1962 to 2020, i'm still seeing the same thing. >> that is our show for today. thank you so much for tune uing in and up next, my friend alex whit has the latest. d alex whit has the latest.

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good day, everyone, from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. we're about to hit high noon here in the east. this hour, new protests around the world and fresh takes on how to end police brutality. >> well this is our city. as much as there's an issue in the u.s., it's a global issue. >> i'm here because what i saw on the 25th, no human being should have to suffer that. >> new poll number'ses nbc's

revealing how much america thinks this country is out of control. plus, who's pulling ahead r for president and which candidate just got a big republican endorsement. may not be who you think. right now, crowds are astreamin into lafayette park near the white house as we begin this third week since the killing of george floyd sparking outrage and around the world in fact, take a look at this demonstration near the u.s. embassy in london today. huge crowds taking part in an antiracism protest to show solidarity with floyd. moving to germany, new video from the boris soccer club. players taking a knee fashioning colin kaepernick's antiracism protest. also, new words between the white house and mayor of d.c., federal a agents sent in to demonstrat