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of this fight most of all. so abbott is getting new tests into their hands, delivering the critical results they need. and until this fight is over, we...will...never...quit. because they never quit. from the twin cities of minnesota to the four corners of the world, people are demanding police reform. protests in the u.s. are mostly peaceful. london has been tense lately with protesters clashing with police and pulling down the statue of a slade trader. you're looking live at parliament square. in the u.s., milwaukee is one of many cities with people in the streets. we saw nba players with the
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milwaukee bucks leading chants a short time ago. i'm joshua johnson. it's good to be with you on a busy day at nbc news world headquarters in new york. it's the 13th straight day of demonstrations demanding sweeping reform in law enforcement. >> good cop, great cops that have help med in situation. you call on the officers. >> there is no justice without police accountability. there is no justice without reversing the disinvestment and instead making significant investments in our black communities. >> it's happening over and over again. my family is black. i am black. to see how all the peopour peop treated is disgusting. >> the demonstrators argues that systemic racism plague. some the the trump the
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administration says otherwise. >> i do not think we have a problem. do i acknowledge there's some law enforcement officers that abuse their job, yes. we need to hold those accountable. >> say this. i grew up at a time when there was real systemic racism. we need to deal with some of the issues in the police department. it's an easy time to do it. we have policeman who are rogue. the vast majority of policeman are wonderful. >> that gulf between the protesters and the president's cabinet may help explain the latest nbc news poll. four out of five americans say they think the country is out of control. this hour we'll answer your questions about what can and should be done to change things in our country. it's a question people are asking internationally, including in places like hong kong which have their own issues with heavy handed government.
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that statue of the slave trader was west of london. another statue of nelson mandela still stands in london the someone put a black lives matter sign in his hand. the protests have shifted in tone. ali, crowd estimations are a tricky thing but the washington post is reporting more than 10,000 people turned out at yesterday's protests in d.c. what do you see today? >> reporter: certainly thousands of people turned out yesterday. we have seen that many. no officials protest were set to start until right around now but that doesn't mean we haven't had vsh even in the last few minutes we saw a group of men and women walking down 16th street singing "we shall overcome. "it exemplified the range of emotions we have seen today from
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people saying they feel joyful and hopeful about what this moment could mean for the future. at the same time calling out names of black men and women who will have opinion lost to police violence in recent weeks and the past few years. we have been talking to a lot of people about why they have been out here today. i want to show you two of them. you talk to me about why you're out right now. >> i'm out here to support black lives matter. i'm not why you ask because that's why we're here. it's been so many injustices happening to our people across this nation in different walks of lives. we are black educated people. we come from all different sorts of people. we are still looked upon as just, i'm not exactly sure. inferior. it's gotten to the point i can't even breathe because we constantly hear these struggles
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every day and see these police injustices every day. i just can't breathe. that's why i'm here because i'm supporting black lives matter. we matter. >> we're also to bring voices to those people that aren't able to be here with us. that's breonna taylor, ahmuad arbery and george floyd. we're here to give them the voice they deserve. they were human beings and deserve basic civil rights. that's why we're here today. >> so many people that have covered these protests over the years says this moment feel difference. how do you make sure this isn't a moment but part of a larger movement? >> the first thing we need to do is get out and vote. this is a moot point if we don't get out here and put people in the office that's going to listen to what we're saying. that represents us. we can't have a person in the white house that represents himself and doesn't care about the people that -- what the people want and what the people need.
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we need a leader that will lead us and give us comfort during these times and not raise his voice up against this and put national guards and fences so we can't see anything. it's crazy how this president feels he can do this to us. no more. it's not going to happen. >> when you saw the way protesters were cleared out of this area this week, what was your reaction to that? >> oh, wow. i can't breathe. >> heartbreaking. >> it's heartbreaking. it's very heartbreaking. i look at why. why can't we come and voice our opinion, our feelings about what is going on in the country. it made me feel as though it's being justified and supported by our administration. >> then to clear us out for a photo op. gas us. bullet pellets. it was unnecessary. >> all the frustration you guys are voicing. we heard from clergy members standing outside. thank you so much for talking to
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us. talking to us about about why you're here. joshua, back to you. >> i notice there's a kid that says i want respect. that seems to sum it all from what you're seeing on black lives matter plaza. thanks. tomorrow, former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin will make his first appearance in court. he's georged with the death of george floyd. the crowds have continued to be very focal about what they want now, including giving the mayor of minneapolis an earful. what happened? >> reporter: it was an earful yesterday. what happened was it was a group that been advocating for the defunding of the minneapolis police department. that's something you're starting to hear more and more from act vais v viss in terms of what is the change they want to come from the death of george floyd. the mayor said he doesn't support that department being
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defunded. he supports reform. genuine reform. he wants to give the new police chief more power to make those changes. that wasn't enough for the protepr protesters there. it's a different scene at the site where george floyd died. this is the manin vigil. you see people continue to bring their flowers, signs, continue to pay their respects. in the distance that's where you saw the death where george floyd died. that's the actual spot where he died. today, there's a sense of community that you have at this intersection. a basketball hoop has been set up. you see people playing basketball. people are come cooking. there's free food all around. people are grilling for folks. people are handing oult p ini p ms. people having the tough conversations about what does death mean for the city. what do they want to come from it? i mention that idea about
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abolishing the police department. listen to what woman said she supports defending it but listen to how she explains how and why. >> i think that going through a process of starting with first steps of replacing the police force with mental health care professionals and other folks that know how to deal with people but then ultimately completely replacing the entire police force with community self-defense, with first responders that are professionals. >> reporter: the memorials continue. it started here thursday. we saw a memorial yesterday in north carolina. this week we'll see a memorial in houston, texas. monday and tuesday, is when george floyd will be laid to rest. >> a tone shift from what we saw a week and a half ago. much appreciated. thank you.
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this year we have gone from three months of protection against covid-19 to two weeks of protesting. no wonder so many of us feel like things are out of hand. four out of five voters say they believe things are generally, out of control. the results broke along party lines but only to an extent. 92% of democrats said things were out of control. two-thirds of republicans said the same. congressman john lewis had seen america out of control before. this morning he went to the n newly named plaq ed black lives pla plaza. the mayor joined him there. jonathan capehart took those pictures. jonathan joins us along side jamil smith, a senior writer for rolling stone. good to see you today. jonathan, let me start with you and poll. how do you square the polling about the nation feeling out of
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control with the protests we see across the country? are they two different matters or different facets of the same thing in. >> i think they're different facets of the same thing. people are protesting because they view -- they watched george floyd lose his life at the hands of police with the knee of a police officer in his neck, on his neck for eight hours, i'm sorry, eight minutes and 46 seconds. the 80% number is shocking to me only it is that high. i think it's also because just think of what we saw this -- in the last seven days. i think the most shocking things we have seen was the clearing out of lafayette square. the clearing out of lafayette by political tear police, park police, pushing peaceful demonstrators away from lafayette square park just a
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block away from the house just so the president of the united states could go to a church he's only been to once and hold up a bible and use it as a prop. i think just that moment offended so many people and i'm sure you noticed that the day after that happened, the protests got bigger. then it was, not only are we protesting the killing, the murder of george floyd but now we're out here enmass because the president of the united states turned military police on american citizens in the united states capitol. that was something that i'm sure a lot of people saw as a threat to democracy. they wanted to stand in solidarity with those people who had been there before. >> ja mimil, how do you interpr this out of control feeling accept since it goes to an extent, across party lines. >> three months before these
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protests began, with a president who does not have a plan for a country. he had no plan to con front the coronavirus pandemic. he had no plan to help people get better. he had no plan to deliver the country out of it and i think people understood that. even with that number, 66%, that's two-thirds of the president's own party who feels like the country is out of control. that's before the protests began. i think you can't attribute that to unrest within the last two weeks. i think people understand that fundamentally, there are a lot of things in this country that have gone awry and that the president is incapable of handling what's going on. i think frankly, you have president in the white house who seems only incapable of handle things handling things within his own tiny bubble and he's not doing that good of a job with that. >> our poll shows joe biden leading donald trump nationally by seven points. that's the same lead we saw two
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months ago. it's not an overall approval poll among republicans. his approval remains strong. we heard this morning from colin powell who said he would vote for joe biden this november and speak at joe biden's support before the election. this is what colin powell said earlier today. >> we have a constitution and we have to follow that constitution. the president has drifted away from it. we have the people of the united states, the ones who vote. the ones who vote him in and the ones who vote him out. i couldn't vote for him in '96 and i couldn't support president trump this year. i'm very close to joe biden on a social matter and on a political matter. i've worked with him for 35, 40 years. he's now the candidate and i'll be voting for him. >> jonathan, what does all this tell you? >> what it tells me is the establishment of the republican party, the true republicans within the republican party, are
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being more vocal about being in opposition to president trump. former secretary of state colin powell isn't the only major republican to step out and say they weren't supporting the president. former president george w. bush and his wife came out and said they weren't supporting the president. you're looking at others who might either not vote for president trump or take the step that john powegeneral powell ha and said they be vote for joe biden. for the republican party, it's about -- it's not about getting back to normal. it's about bringing stability to the office for the very reasons that colin powell laid out in that montage that you showed. >> jamil, i have to ask for a brief answer we could spend an hour on regarding the controversy involving the pittsburgh post gazette. he's accusing the paper of barring him and another black
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reporter for covering the protests because they are biassed on the matter. before we let you go, i know this could be an hour long conversation but briefly, allow do you balance your experiences as a black man against your journalism? how do you view this? >> somebody with pittsburgh roots i think it's tragedy. i think you have an owner of the paper that has been known to treat reporters and staff badly at that paper. also an editor published an editorial that called people racist is like the new mccarthyism. you have to understand the context within which we're working here. i think what happened here is yet a reporter who put up a tweet. he said white folks rioting
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over, i think it was a sporting event was ridiculous. they basically positioned that and understood what they were rioting about was ridiculous. we want to have context for what white folks riot about and people are not upset but black folks riots about their very lives is people getting upset about it. people understand that black reporters on stories like this is essential. we needrooms, covering the stories. >> this year the annual convention of the national association of black journalists was supposed to be in d.c. i am more bothered than ever that we can't have the convention this year because this would be, at least, a four hour panel. we would have to have this conversation. we'll continue it another day. gentlemen, thanks very much.
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plenty more for us to talk about. here is the scene in london. this leads foreign office and back entrance to number 10 downing street. the protesters have been pushing and shoving a bit with the police. they swapped out the front line from standard police to what we would consider riot police but it hasn't gone part farther than pushing and shovering. we'll keep an eye on that as the hour goepz on. we're keeping an eye on the protests in new york. the mayor is ending the city's curfew. we'll be live there next. later, our experts will answer your questions about how law enforcement works and how it might work better. enforcement works and how it might work better. i've always loved seeing what's next.
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new york's peaceful protests are having an impact. this morning new york's mayor lifted the curfew.
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now that the curfew is lifted, what do we expect from tonight's protests? >> reporter: i'm literally maybe a block down from time square. the cops are above us right now. they have closed off time square. just a couple of minutes ago, thousands of folks were flooding this area. they were in the midst of a very peaceful protest. that's now dispersed and they are walking towards bryant park. the mayor saying there's no curfew. there's been peaceful protests in the city the last two nights. the mayor tweeting out this is the best of new york so lifting the protest that was supposed to be in place until 5:00 a.m. we know that curfew that was in place that started at 8:00 p.m., that was the flash point for protesters and police officer. when 8:00 p.m. would strike, that's when the clashes would begin. the hope is the protests will continue to be peaceful. what do protesters here want?
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they want their appeal of this law 50a which conceals the records of police officers. remember, joe pantelo who held the choke hold fof eric garner stayed on the police force for five years. turns out he had a lot of complaints against him. the mayor said he is in fifr. the police commissioner said he is in naifavor. they want money taken away from nypd to go to fund youth services. when i was a new york city reporter here, there was new york stats funding back in 2012. they were taking money away from brownsville, closing public schools and community centers. were were the african-american youth going to go? that was a predom naninantly african-american neighborhood.
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the mayor said they will do that. 400 years of systemic racism. it's a major undertaking. they have been taking about that for hours now here saying we need to a boll ibolish it. seems like the folks will come out until they see real progress. >> i hear you on that. we also saw a tweet from the mayor saying he is committed to removing so resources from the nypd to youth and social services. we'll see how that goes in new york. take a look at another scene of protests today. you are looking at austin, texas where a number of protests are under way. there have been protests at university. we will keep an eye on protests today. we'll head to los angeles and see how those protests are going. we're watching demonstrations in
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this is one of many protests in los angeles. across the city they have been marching in the streets today. one week after the national guard deployed there. jacob is in l.a.'s boil heights neighborhood which is east of downtown. what's the atmosphere on the ground right now? >> reporter: it's a beautiful thing. you can see twodowntown in the distance. this will be a car caravan through los angeles in support of black lives matter and protesting against the sheriff's department. beautiful ford galaxy. is this your first car caravan in support of black lives matter? >> it is. >> what's it like to be out here in. >> it's cool. like to see the other classic car. everybody is welcome so even if
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you got a prius, you can still roll. >> reporter: anybody is welcome. here is another sign. take a look at this hold impala. sir, what's say up? what brought you out? >> he doesn't want to talk. i totally understand. how are you doing? >> we're live on msnbc, what brought you out for the cruise? >> well we were down the street with our community and we just wanted to show our support for our community members and our black brothers and sisters. >> have you ever done anything like this? >> i haven't. it's my first time. >> what does it feel like to be out here? we haven't taken off yet in. >> it's pow empowering to see the community come together. i'm excited about that. >> what's your name? >> mira. >> thanks for talking to us. joshua, i'll walk you down to show you some of the other car.
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it's got to be hundreds of cars here. let me ask him a about your vehicle. what kind of car? >> '51 chevy. >> do you do stuff like this? >> sunday cruise is always the best. this time it's sunday cruise for a cause. >> it is. yeah. >> joshua, you can see the cars lined up around the block. here is a group of protesters that have assembled in support. protests are taking all short of shapes and sizes and forms. this is another one here. >> it's a very l.a. form of a protest. i'm sure once that prius breaks down you can compost it or something. >> i hope so. it's been nearly three years since charlottesville, virginia suffered violence and death as whie white nationalists took to the street. things look very different today. amanda, how is the city handling these protests after what
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happened in 2017? >> reporter: yeah, the city of charlotteville is taking a bit of a different approach especially in light of the demonstrations we have seen. charlottesville has been largely peaceful. we're here in front of the freedom of speech wall which has existed for close to 20 years. it's been overcome with messages of support frr the black lives matter movement. behind me you can see the names of numerous individual who is have been killed by police brutality. i spoke with the chief of police here who is a woman named rochelle. she took the role two years ago. she's the first woman and african-american woman to hold this position. sh she told me about what her department has been grappling with. take a listen. >> the lessons that we learned were that you had to allow the community an opportunity for its
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voice to be heard. charlottesville had to reclaim its narrative and not allow the nation to see it as this evil place. the approach was create space where you could have free speech, freedom of speech and where people could be heard. really just pull back and have a soft policing presence. >> reporter: some of those practices that you heard, the softens of the police presence include being very transparent with the community. emphasizing that support and relationship between the community and police posting a number of their policies online. this protest is expected to be largely peaceful. that's what the chief of police noe told me as well. >> thanks amanda. take a live look at another protest in buffalo, new york. you may remember there's two police officers who now face felony asasault charges for
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why is law enforcement the way it is. what can we do to improve it? tomorrow congressional democrats will unveil their proposal for police reform. the justice in policing act of 2020 aims to address what its authors call the pain and anguish wrought by the violence visited upon black and brown bodies. one of the bill's co-sponsors discussed it with chuck todd this morning on "meet the worki with kamala harris to get real policies proposed and will be releasing a bill tomorrow for things that should have been done in this country a long time ago. banning certain police practices. i'm just grateful to see this non-violence protest out pour ng the street. they are putting the pressure. they are creating possibility
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that our policies can reflect the spirit of this country. we can be in the law a more beloved nation. joining us is paul butler. jeffrey asks what do people mean when they suggest we defund the police in are they suggesting communities operate without law enforcement? what do you think they mean in. >> i think that they mean a range of things. i think at the core, many folks when they say defund the police, they are saying take those astronomical police budgets that
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have overpowered many of the bij budgets for things that are needed for education, mental health, social work and those resources have been transferred to police departments. they act as if they are the solvers of many problems. those resources need to be placed back into the community, specifically the black community which has been neglected for far too long. >> what's your sense of why the budgets are too high if they are considered too high? how have they grown too much? >> it puts a lot of concern on fear and anxiety by african-american men and the way to address the problem has been to lock them up, throw away the
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key, restructure out, stop and frisk. when communities move beyond these punitive approaches to more investment in communities, that makes a huge difference. at the end of the day, this is still about safe communities. no justice, no peace really is descriptive. it's not a threat. if people don't perceive equal justice, communities will always be at unrest. >> john, let me get to a question. i'm a 30-year veteran teacher in georgia. every four years i have to go through a recertification process that checks my background fp if any issues are found, i have o explain what happens. telling the truth may make me lose my job but lying may affect my being rehired or losing my license to teach. do police go through a process of recertification that reminds them of their moral obligation embedded in their professional
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experience? i'm cynically guessing the answer is no. >> you're quite right. thank you for having me on. each police department has its own requirements. each state has its own requirements. police training is generally far below the number of hours required to be a barber or cosmetologist. having said that, every year, most states require some type of in service training. in service training means the agency conducts that training according to the number of hours that state requires. it could be 20 hours say per year. the subject matter is generally up to the agency. although the state may have a couple requirements. the moral obligation is not something i see very often that's discussed.
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i'm unaware of any requirement that taught as a standard in service program some agency dos because they are more progressive but it's not a nation wide requirement. >> just want to note these pictures we're looking at washington, d.c. it's on black lives matter plaza. paul, let me get to a question to you from karen. many officers live outside the communities they work in and therefore are not familiar with the issues in the communities they police. has there been any discussion about making officers live in the communities they serve as a way to help police understand their communities better. any examples of cities that have tried this approach? i know that oakland pd push hard herb to have more officers from
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oakland go to the oakland police acade academy. what have you heard elsewhere in. >> we know when officers live in the cities they patrol, they are more effective. if your local cop is your neighbor, he's more invested and accountsable. the problem is most cops don't live in cities they serve. in minneapolis only 7% live in the city. sometimes cities try to impose residency requirements but they are resisted by very powerful police unions. my friend who is are officers in d.c. say they would love to live in city but they can't afford it. gentrification makes it too expensive. there's a diversity issue. most black and hispanic officers live in the city. most white officers don't. >> one of the protests on horse back that we have seen. there was ooanother in houston
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this week where a number of black horse men showed up on horse back in honor of george floyd. are there any states or countries with civilian review boards that have been effective? how are they structured and what are their powers? in terms of the power, it can vary widely. >> there aren't enough cities that have civilian review boards that are effective. some boards have police officers on the board helping to analyze complaints by civil yans and sometimes talking zifrl y ining
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of pursuing claims against police officers who engage in misconduct or violate the law. there needs to be the political will for that to happen. the city council voted to remove police officers off of the civilian review board. that's a step in the right direction. it's still a long way towards accountability. >> that is something that i think if you're watching this and within the to know, how is my city doing with law enforcement, that might be something you look up is what is the civilian structure. john, we're low on time but let's see if we can squeeze in one more question. when there's a house fire, the fire department is called. when someone has heart attack, emt is called. why couldn't police department have a special squad appropriately skilled to deal with a mental health crisis to deescalate a situation and
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transport an ill person to a hospital facility rather than jail? >> that's a good question. here in southern nevada we have a couple of agencies that have formed kri eed crisis intervent that do respond to calls that may involve someone with mental illness or suspected of mental illness. obviously, sometimes they are very effective. sometimes they are not. the biggest problem across the country is over7 70% of police departments across the united states are very small. they are generally less than 50 officers. they don't have the resources either in personnel or the financial backing to dedicate people to that type of a squad although many officers are getting trained as crisis intervention officers who do respond to those calls. >> paul, let me see if we can
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squeeze in one more question. dave asks why are cop who is have resigned frequently rehired by the police department or state police department that they left or by another city or county or state. isn't that just as bad as qualified immunity? paul, briefly before we go. >> it's worse the the cop who shot 12-year-old tamir rice was fired in cleveland, hired by another police department. police disciplinary proceedings are secret so the public doesn't know. sometimes other police departments know but they don't care. the blue wall of silence means that officers look out for each other. we know when an officer is fired and rehired, he's twice as likely to be charged with misconduct. this is about transparency and accountability, joshua. we're talking about people who are sworn officers, licensed to kill. >> looking at the protest in washington, d.c. let's take one more look at that picture from los angeles as we say thank you to paul butler and
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john peters. thank you all very much for being with us. that image on horse back we showed you earlier in los angeles, that's through the streets of compton. the compton cowboys were participating in that march. it's expected to end at the comp ton civic center at 2:00 p.m. one of many marches taking place. we're back in a minute. s taking place. we're back in a minute [♪] when you have diabetes, managing your blood sugar is crucial. try boost glucose control. the patented blend is clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels. it provides 60% more protein than the leading diabetes nutrition shake. try boost glucose control.
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we're keeping an eye on protests across the country. the one on the left is in the black lives matter plaza in washington, d.c. just north of the white house. the one on the right is in comp t compton, california. that's where we saw the riders on horse back. the compton cowboys a few minutes ago. these are two of the places where demonstrators are
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demanding action. >> black lives matter, our mayor had shut down time square because he doesn't want us inside of time square with our agenda we're promoetsi inpromot agenda. common sense legislation. ta talk about us being angry. they say put forth a plan. we have plan and they wouldn't let us present it in time square. >> these protests are especially diverse, rationally and generatigenera -- racially and generationally. >> no justice, no peace. >> since i was 12 years old, i've been fighting for justice for the understanding that black lives do truly matter. >> i think it's absolutely ab r abhorrent that at this day and time we're still having to go through this. >> at 19 years old, nothing has changed. we're still fighting for the
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same thing. >> black people have been fighting this fight for years, hundreds of years. it's a shame that in 1962, to 2020, i'm still seeing the same thing. >> seeing the same thing but fighting back in a very different way. thank you so much for making time for us this hour. let's meet pack here tonight at 9:00 eastern. until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. the news continues after the break. after the break. we live in uncertain times. however, there is one thing you can be certain of. the men and women of the united states postal service. we're here to deliver cards and packages from loved ones and also deliver the peace of mind of knowing that essentials like prescriptions are on their way. every day, all across america, we deliver for you. and we always will.
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hello. this hour we're following protests nation wide as they continue to grow. here is a live look at washington, d.c. where another large crowd is expected throughout the afternoon. we're in the 13th day of protests. the president says the national guard is no longer needed to keep the peace in washington. he said this morning the troops will leave the city. more live pictures from austin, texas and los angeles right now. demonstrators are calling for whole scale changes to policing in america. we'll talk about some of the policy solutions throughout this hour. we begin in nation's capital. ali, thousands marched peacefully across the city yesterday. what is the expectation for