good evening, i am nicole wallace, we are entering the 13th straight night of protests in the wake of killing of george floyd at the hands of minneapolis officer. we are keeping an eye at a live picture right now, demonstrations going on in the soho area in new york city while there are other crowds marching in the streets. there are a couple cities around the country and around the world holding protests peacefully.

there are no signs of the commander in chief, president trump remaining inside and now very fortified white house tweeting. he did send out his attorney general bill barr who continues to fight the lafayette park arguing the aggressive efforts to remove peaceful protesters just before a presidential photo-op was justified and argued the president had the absolute right to step in with the guards. >> the president can use troops to suppress rioting. the confederatecy?

our country and the federal government do not listen to governors. >> it took colin powell to put it plainly. >> the word i would have never used before or any of the four presidents i worked for. he lies. he lies about things. he gets away with it because would not hold him accountable. >> given all of this as well as the pandemic now claims more than 100,000 american lives. a new nbc poll shows 80% of us believes our country is out of control. let's go first now to washington, d.c. where protests have continued after thousands of demonstrators poured into the

nation's capital yesterday. nbc alli vitali is live at the white house. >> reporter: for so many people that we have spoken here today, they feel this is a moment that's different. the people who you see out here in the crowds. we have been out here all day and we have seen hundreds and hundreds of people continuing to converge at lafayette square park which the mayor renamed "black lives matter plaza." we have another one behind me at lafayette around the white house and throughout the day we have seen protesters coming down 16th street and walking across h street all in the name of black lives matter. there was a moment when thousands of protesters came

down on duponte circle. they laid on the ground for 8 minutes and 40 seconds and chanting "i can't breathe." it was one of those moments where i will always remember. we talked to so many people out here and this mother and daughter that we spoke to. listen to what they said why they are here today. >> watching the event reconsiders how i am teaching my kids and how i am living my life. it is important to be here to think about the issues of today and to really think about how we are going to change things in the future especially voting. so with my young kids, i am encouraging them to be vote and be active in the political system. >> we are out here for george floyd and everyone. there were issues -- when people

walk into a store, he does not want employees to look at someone differently. this is the day-to-day life, this is healthcare and the way that people walk around. it is every single thing including the police brutality that needs to change. >> and black lives matter and as far as i know he's the only republican senator that we know of who's been out here in these protests. congressman hurd down in texas marched the last few days and romney making a statement being out here saying he's marching because he says "black lives matter," nicolle. >> the numbers were 10,000 yesterday and are there any reports on the numbers today? >> reporter: -- >> did you have a crowd number today? we heard it was 10,000 in d.c.

yesterday. i think we lost ali, ali vitali in washington, d.c. for us. thank you so much for that. i am going to go now where derek chauvin is expected to make his first court appearance tomorrow. what's the mood right now shaq brewster is on the ground? >> reporter: this continues to grow as we speak to contact vacn the ground. you saw a majority of city council members on stage supporting that idea and getting more information what it means.

you have been here, what does it mean tomorrow? >> we got to start changing. we need to rise up for our community for something to happen. just last year we had police wrapped up with scandals. time and time again, the police have failed on our city. it is time for us to step up. >> reporter: there was a viral moment that happened yesterday with the mayor, dick frey, where he went in the crowd and says he did not support this police department. why not give the police more power to institute the reform that he says he wants to make. >> we have been in this situation for about three years.

we instituted every reform. reform does not work. >> thank you very much for talking with us. >> you continue to hear people saying they want to emphasize on this and not just the reform. ali vitali mentioned mit romney visited washington, d.c. for the protest today. here is some sound from that >> we need many voices against brutality. we need to stand up and say black lives matter.

now to the president's hands ling of the ongoing protest around the world. we want to bring in al sharpton and host of msnbc, michael steele and our jonathan swan, axios political reporter. reverend, i want to start where you ended your hour, we covered the movement and protests. this is about a family's loss and a father and brother and someone they miss every second of every hour everyday. how is the family doing? >> they are in my judgment showing some of the strength and some of the endurance that's add mu admirable. >> this family has shown some

real strength and they kind of comfort each other and it is a difficult period for them. they have really in many ways shown more grace and more strength that i have seen in many families under these circumstances. they are going through three different funerals. the one tuesday will be the final one started main minneapolis. they wanted to do the first one where he was killed but none of the family members were actually living there. they went to north carolina where some of his family members were there and where he was actually born and we did the final service on tuesday in houston where he lived most of his life and many family members. i am saying that they are going through three painful funeral services and having to explain to their young family members what they are going through.

they have remained hopeful and determined. we are not giving up and we want to fight for justice. we don't want him to die for nothing. >> are you optimistic that'll be the case, rev? >> i am hopeful. i always keep hope even in despair. i don't think you could continue activism if you did not have hope. what has really enhanced a lot of my hope is to see the out powering all over the country and all over the world, i mean you have london and paris and all races, i think this is an idea in terms of police reform whose time have come. many of us who have lingered on this issue for a long time are saying this is a moment that we have not seen it like this. i have seen many days, demonstrations been involved and i have seen many days where had

the media but not the broad base on a consistent basis and i think that's something that those that our lawmakers can't ignore. these are people, their constituents are saying wait a minute, we want to see this stop. don't tell us we did not see what we saw in that tape. >> michael stille, you and i had this conversation in the early days, we have to get back to a place where is we trust with our own eyes and hear with our own ears was a man who lost his life and the by stasgantanders sayin

off of him." does this feel different to you? >> it does. the first eulogy where he related the moment of chauvin's knee on the neck of george floyd. he relayed it back to every moment in black history where our progress is stifled and our economic opportunity is stifled o that symbol and that moment makes this different for a lot of americans and in some cases i have had the conversation in the past week and a number of

friends have said i never got the story you told me. you have to tell your son about things i never had to tell my son. things i never had to worry about. for the first time i think a lot of people are beginning to see that and realize it is really. we were not making this up. reverend al was not using the national network to go out just because he wanted to have a meeting. the reality of it is they're coming around to this truth that has been a big part of the black history experience of 401 years. >> donald trump has dealt himself out of the national conversation. he had nothing to say about the larger issues. he's only engaged for the purposes of sort of clearing lafayette square and trying

would seem rather happto defend right to use active duty military on the streets of american cities. it would seem that they're just off. they are not in the theater in which the debate is taken place. my second observation he ran on talking to the forgotten men and women of america, it would seem that america has recast and forgotten men and women of america as african-american men in america who are all often of police brutality. he does not seemed to be adjusted to the moment, jonathan swan. >> he's trying to deal himself back into the conversation and we'll see if that has any resonan resonance. the white house is going hold

the wording right. they're going to talk about executive actions that they'll get behind to reform police. that's all going to happen this week. i will tell you the political backdrop of this. i had a story out tonight about the campaign headquarters meeting on thursday afternoon. the internal polling are brutal. he has fallen significantly. he had one advisor described as "a woman's problem." the tone and the rhetoric has not resonated. that was a phrase that stuck in

people's crawl "when the looting starts, the shooting starts." that's one of those phrases that broke through. they are trying to change the tone and i would not say anyone that thinks they can stop the president from saying anything or going back to his usual blunt rhetoric but they're trying to add all the rhetorics to it and we'll see if it has any effect. >> michael steele, i don't think he's paying the price for the polling just for talking about shooting looters. he's paying the price for calling african nation nations -- countries. >> i think all of that has cumulative impact where the

president is right now. there are three energies that have come together in a way that's driving a lot of these numbers particularly with dependant voters at the moment. the first is covid-19 and what that meant, the health concern and the response of this administration to it. the second is the economic downtu downturn. folks are trying to get some form of recovery from. the third is the civic unrest and each of those instances, nicolle, the president's rhetoric and his actions and attitude, that's the thing, his attitude. >> people can say things that's misinterpreted or does not translate the right way. people think of your attitude real quick. we know mary r how people pick that up.

this president's attitude about black people and this country and this moment is reprehensible to a lot of people. this guy is like the hell with that. when the looting starts, the shooting starts and people are like whoa, this is not who we are. how did they turn that corner? how do you come back from the other side of all of that from four or five months of this and people go oh, you were just kidding? oh, we got i. i don't think so. >> jonathan swan, any insights on how they plan to turn the corner? fill in the blank, the fortress from the white house makes the president looks what?

stronger, weaker or scared? what's the deal with defense? >> i don't think political law is the optic decision. it is security driven decision and i don't have any particular insights into that. he's going to do what he tends to do when he tries to appeal to african-american voters. he's going to focus on the economic message. you remember in 2016 the message was what the hell do you have to lose? they're fwoigoing to try to use friday's good jobs report and trying to put out this message of rebuilding and seeing him inviting faith leaders including african-american faith leaders and things of that nature. i expect you will see the president with law enforcement perhaps african-american law enforcement talking about police reform and listening to the

concerns. >> nicolle, can i say something. >> yeah, anything. >> that's a strategy that jonathan just laid out. the jobs report that came out on friday, unemployment among blacks was the highest in ten years. if he rolls that out, it won't work. if he rolls out black faith leaders that's not involved dealing with the issue of the floyd's case. who are they leaders of? i don't think anyone is going to listen to anybody that did not raise their voice. the po you are going to roll out some black leeaders that's been missing in action the last several weeks when you had all kinds of people from all kinds of backgrounds, you had a republican senator from utah

talking about black lives matter and you are going to roll out omnivore black faith leaders and recovering fr recovering? i don't think it is going to work. >> tell me of the future of this movement and he made his came pain of the candidacy of the soul of the country. what's the political argument? what does that contest look like? >> joe biden campaigns on the fact that they had the test on policing which led to body camera and oths and other refor. if they talk about how they put consent to creed and if he talks

about i have done this and we can put these in place along with the legislation that democrats are coming out in the senate i have, cory booker on my show and i will go. that's one platform. let us not forget when obama/biden went into office, this country was in an economic collapse. he can say after the pandemic we have restored the economy before, we could do it again. i think he has a solid argument that i don't know the president is preparing to respond. >> jonathan swan, rev, thank you so much for starting us off. michael steele is staying with us. will this be a moment of change. a live report from new york city is next. ort from new york city is next. a grandfather of 14.

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new york city is less than two hours away from what would have been yesterday its 8:00 p.m. curfew. the curfew was lifted by mayor de blasio after thousands of demonstrators marched peacefully to protest police brutality in the death of george floyd. our msnbc's yasmin vossoughian is live. >> reporter: they're aware of this but they keep oncoming out. take a look behind me, thousand of folks here in brooklyn, there

has been pockets of protests at times square and i was at union square and there were protesters marching from city hall. a bunch of folks down at atlantic avenue marching up all the way to this area. this atmosphere of unification and look at all these signs here. black lives matter. our generation is here for a bett bett better future. "we can't breathe." nicolle, i want to speak to someone that said something really important. this is kevin, you have been coming out here the last couple of days. i know much of these protests are about police reform. you want to see police reform. what do you want to see happen?

>> we need to retrain the police officers so violent is not the first reaction. it is all around the country. if you look at this crowd out here, black as and asians and whites and all types of people. i live in brooklyn new york, this is every single day and this is a global phenomenon right now and so we are saying that the police department have to change even when you look at the reaction of the protest, the 75-year-old man was pushed and had blood pouring out of his ear, this was unacceptable behavior. they are supposed to protect us. >> reporter: mayor de blasio basically said, governor cuomo said he's against it and he wants to repeal.

these folks are here who are coming out every single day until we see change happening. >> yasmin, wonderful to see you, thank you for your reporting from the streets of new york city. coming up, from the halls of congress to the chairman in office and the nfl. we are seeing an attempt to change, is it enough and will it actually work? we'll talk more on police reform here on msnbc. here on msnbc.

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as so many americans take to the streets across the country demanding change. that action is starting to move the legislative gears. congressi congressional democrats puritlag to introduce a reform bill this week. a ban on chokeholds and limiting

abilities on officers, that shields them from certain actions. senator cory booker is one of the cosponsors, he talked to al sharpton the last hour. >> our generation have never seen something reich thlike thi. i covers a number of areas. one is banning chokeholds, it is holding police officers to a higher level of accountability. makes them subject as well as criminal and action on the criminal level. >> that legislation would not be enough for some protesters calling on the defunding of the police department. the minneapolis mayor refused so sign on those efforts in his

city. >> calls for change not only being aimed at poll titicians today. roger goodell responding to criticisms by admitting that the league is wrong and its approach to players kneeling ip pn prote. >> we condemn racism in a systematic of black people. we were wrong for not listening to nfl players earlier and encourage all to speak out and peacefully protest. we at the national football league believes that black lives matter. i personally protest with you and want to be part of the much needed change in this country. i want to bring in our panel

now. mark, i have to start with the nfl, we cover colin kaepernick's exercising his first protest and we covered trump saying get those sun of a -- ouwlout of he. the country is out of control. is this too little and too late fwr t from the nfl? >> i think roger goodell heard his players. the players have been over the last several years, they have been strong advocates for civil rights and social justice. this is an important step by the national football league. i would like to see kaepernick

to get an opportunity to play. that is a step that would certainly demonstrate what the national football league did was not right. i give great credits to many of the players who's been strong advocates and continue to lead their voices. look, they partner with the national football league to create social justice. so this is an porn chanimportan. the protest and outrage over this is pushing people to recognize some for the first time that institutional racism and structural racism and policing and criminal justice system in this country simply are not fair. and they destroyed lives of many black people.

this is a shift and i think it is an important shift but that shift has been brought on by advocacies. some of us have been in the trench for years. this incident and now these organic protests have been a wake up call for this nation. >> what does reform look like? >> reform looks like an actual action plan that gets implemented and have any projects or milestones. we should applaud the nfl commissioner coming out showing that he intends to change and he applauds the kinds of efforts that's going on. let's talk about what it looks like on the police department. we are talking about changing a systematic culture. we are talking about changing

the culture that makes derek chauvin, for who the officers having the knee on mr. floyd. imagine your third or fourth fifth patrol officers and your training officer is derek chauvin, what kind of culture that makes him the guy that trains new officers. we got to change officers. that means we have to put in recruitment force and putting civilians on panels and independent review of lethal force usage or allegations of excessive force by police officers. we got to change the culture from inside out and we are partnering good and bad ones. the best ones ask tough questions of new police officers

and tough psychological evaluations and they enter into a dialogue and don't use the language. one more, nicolle, i am troubled by the language and slogans sayi sayi saying "defund the police." >> "defund police," what it means is it is time to invest in communities and discontinue on the policing of a solution in urban communities. the real intent here is that money is being invested in youth programs and better systems to avoid people going into a life of violence. this is so much of a critical shift that's underway in the

united states. it is a recognition that the age of mass incarcerations and the strategies of over polici overp simply do not work. it is a new emphasis of where we put public's dollars in american communities. >> mark and frank, thank you both for coming out on a sunday fight to spend some time with us. we are grateful. coming up, race in the 2020 election, new numbers on the presidential's contest provides a look around protests, how it affects the two campaigns. w it affects the two campaigns. the men and women of the united states postal service. we're here to deliver cards and packages from loved ones and also deliver the peace of mind of knowing that essentials like prescriptions are on their way. every day, all across america, we deliver for you.

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earlier today got assurances of one prominent vote he'll be getting. >> we have a constitution, we have to follow it. president has drifted away from it. i'm close to joe biden in social matter and political matter, worked with him 35, 40 years, he's now the candidate and i will be voting for him. >> joining us to discuss all that, political strategist elena bailey, former national director of african-american outreach for former president obama, and michael steele, former rfc chairman and msnbc analyst. elena, talk to me about what you see in the poll numbers for joe biden. if you go deeper, you see what is to be expected, 82% of the african-american vote goes to joe biden, 9% to trump. i wonder who the 9% are of course after seeing everything we've seen play out last ten

days. >> you and me both. >> but look back at what jonathan swan was reporting, they're seeing a real hit from independent voters and women. the president does not seem to be in a politically sustainable position to say nothing of the lack of leadership at this hour of crisis. >> that's right, nicole. you mentioned the up seven points in recent polls. also in battleground points, behind 12 percentage points and national polls have joe biden leading by double digits in at least three national polls. so donald trump's strategy of division and authoritarianism

and going against everything we hold true as americans, that strategy is not working. and joe biden is stepping up in the gulf of leadership, carrying out the duty of the president which is the duty to care for all of us. i think you see engagement of women, minorities, african-americans. but to all americans who think that quality and championing equality is a value as american as apple pie, they see donald trump not executing on those values and they see joe biden expressing those values in a presidential way. >> and michael steele, i'll never ask you again where are the republicans but ask you about couple who have shown up, mitt romney marching today in black lives matter protests, i

think mitt romney is more in line with moderate center-right/center-left, americans think this movement is just overdue. what does that mean for the voters who tend to swing things for better or worse? independent women, moderates on the parts of the base who never come out unless they're extra animated. what do you think? >> you do the moderator thing well but still have the political instincts. they can put you behind the camera all day long but you have the instincts. what the center-left/center-right is looking for is leader, voice to emerge. colin powell coming out today is

big, even bigger is what mitt romney did. >> totally agree. >> as currently elected republican, united states senator, former president candidate, former governor of massachusetts sends a very powerful, powerful message and gives that center-right/center-left potential coalition of voters something to move towards and around. his messaging and voice next few weeks and months is going to be more critical and pivotal than i think people may realize. i think he is beginning to realize what this moment may mean for the future of the republic and looking like -- we'll see, if he's ready to step into that role a little bit more. today was no accident and important for people to understand that. >> you guys are so good. i wanted to hear 45 more minutes from both of you. please come back at 4:00 this

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welcome to "kacie dc," i'm kasie hunt. after two weeks of agony, the nation's voice is raw with the chance of protest. we are following breaking news tonight as thousands once again fill the streets. the protests have swelled this weekend with marchers demanding changes to policing, prosecution and policy amid the deaths of george floyd, ahmaud arbery and breonna taylor. just in, new york city will move some police funding to youth groups. minneapolis has banned choke holds and seattle will stop using tear gas. family and friends got one last look at george floyd in memorial. last time the nation saw him was under the knee of officer derek chauvin, now charged with three other officers in floyd's death. major cities lik