hey there. i'm joshua johnson. good to be with you tonight from nbc world quarterbacks in new york. as we saw this weekend in a number of ways, the protests are having an effect.

it new york police kept marchers out of times square today. still, things have been peaceful enough for mayor bill de blasio so end the curfew early. a group west of london pulled down the statue of a slave trader. meanwhile mr. floyd's family continues to grieve their loss. yesterday they celebrated his life in his home town of rayford, north carolina. a public viewing was held before the service. there will be another viewing tomorrow in houston where george floyd grew up. the funeral is on tuesday. we expect joe biden will head to houston tomorrow. he plans to meet privately be mr. floyd's family. >> mayor bill de blasio has announced plans to redirect some funds away from the nypd. msnbc news's reporter joins us

live. how are folks reacting from the mayor's decision? >> reporter: it seems like a sea change doesn't it? i was in times square with thousands of folks below 42nd street, the police cordoning off times square. we made our way over to grand army plaza which is where we are now. the crowd to be honest has completely dispersed. over the last couple of nights you saw very little arrests from the nypd. the reason why mayor bill de blasio is saying no more curfew. when the curfew at 8:00 would come, that's when you saw the most conflict between the police and protesters. now you are seeing the crowd just dispersing. throughout the day, all the protests i've been seeing has been a real message of unification and they want real

police reform. the mayor announcing some of the plans being put into place. moving some money away from nypd to youth programs, repealing 50 a a law that censors records of police officers. also protesters wanting to address systemic racism in this country which is a really big ask. they're going to continue to fight for it and come out. as i spoke to kids earlier today they said they're going to march every single day until they see real systemic change in this country. joshua. >> thank you, let's head to los angeles and check in with nbc's jacob sillerof. there had been a crowd on hollywood boulevard earlier today. they've talked about reducing money to the lapd. what do you hear them talking about? >> josh, i'm not sure if you can see us.

i know that there is so much bandwidth being taken by what literally has to be thousands of people here on hollywood boulevard. i'm going to do my best. i know that we -- there's a lot of people out here. it is truly a sight to behold here in the city of los angeles. hollywood boulevard for what must be miles, filled with people, protesting in support of black lives matter. this is an officially sanctioned event from black lives matter. the match is being led up at the front by the organizers of the movement here in los angeles, including dr. molina abdullah, patrice wellers. as well as the activist and rapper yg. we heard a similar refrain that we've been seeing. defund the police, reinvest that money into other areas of civic life. the fact of the matter is that

is where the work is going to have to happen. once there is some sense of normalcy on the streets of los angeles, they're going to have to get to work. the city leaders are going to have to get to work. despite the mayor and governor is pledging a hundred million dollars, that is not nearly enough for the people on the streets here. the truth of the matter is we don't know what happens next. that's exactly what everybody is talking about. >> it's been a busy day for protests all over the city of los angeles, including where jacob is fighting for bandwidth. thank you very much. george floyd was killed on memorial day. the two weeks since then have been a dizzying blur of emotion. grief and rage and despair and mistrust and flat-out exhaustion. we are already feeling many of those things before the protests began. three months of coronavirus left millions of people without jobs. more than 110,000 people dead

and people of color suffering even deeper with social ills. what do we do now? let's discuss with democratic congressman anthony brown of maryland. his district includes the place west of washington, d.c. good evening. >> thanks. josh. great to be on with you this evening. >> yesterday was the 76th anniversary of the d-day invasion. in the past week we've seen troops and national guardsmen on the streets. where does all of this lead us? >> joshua, that kind of language is disserving. as you mentioned. i spent 30 years in uniform with the united states army. five on active duty, a tour in iraq, and i like countless measures raised our right hand

and were willing to put on that uniform to fight for the ideals that this country stands for, the freedoms, the freedoms of assembly and freedom of religion, the freedom to petition our government. the idea that we would turn our military on peaceful protesters who are exercising that fundamental right is abhorrent. it runs counter to the tradition of the military. it will cause severe damage to the military-civilian relationship. quite frankly i think it's going to hurt the military reputation and have difficulty in recruiting people to seven in our nation's military. >> last week, house democrats introduced a bill to up crease transparency in police departments that measure lists seven steps including programs, funding to fight police misconduct. meanwhile there's conversation about defunding police departments, even replacing them

with something new. are yo >> this is big think on our part. this is a culmination of big years of effort. we've put our heads together. this week we'll be rolling out the justice and policing axis of 2020. it does big transform active things, holding police accountable in our courts. it's going to improve the transparency in policing, checking better data, tracking the rogue police officers so they can't move from one precinct or one department to another to avoid detection and very important in proven police practices like profiling, racial biases, banning no-knock warrants and banning the chokehold and other restraints that have resulted in fatalities over the years in our country.

so i think this is not counter to efforts to defund the police but this is not about defunding the police. it's about transforming police departments across the country so they can protect and serve the very communities that they are asked to protect and serve and not to assault and violate so many communities, particularly black communities as we've seen not just recently since the age of video cameras on your hand-held device but this has been happening for decades, if not centuries. >> what would like to see law enforcement agencies do in the short term to build more trust? is there one thing at the top of the list? >> sure. one thing at the top of the list is where you sew police officers violating the rights of civilians, assaulting them, even that we've seen since the killing, mr. floyd in minneapolis, hold them accountable.

we've got to demonstrate to the public that no police officer is above the law. you are not above the law and if you break the law we will bring the law on you like we would anybody else. >> this week, the washington post published an op ed from condoleeza rice. she wrote that systemic change is necessary but insufficient to deal with america's deep seated racism, including young people. we ep counter responses, she says, among decent people who do not want to react that way. the emotions can be overcome and often are with the respected bills when people know each other as human beings, friends, neighbors, co workers and teammates. before i let you go congressman, what do you think the desent people, as the secretary puts it, should be doing it right now? >> decent people should be speaking out. it shouldn't be just black

people, brown people, pointing out injustices and discrimination against communities of color. it should be decent white people speaking up. you know what the good thing is? so many have not only in this past week, but they have been over the years. we need everyone speaking up and saying enough is enough. we will no longer tolerate racist language and conduct. enough is enough. for a while i really thought our country was making progress. i've been disenchaptered over not just the last week but the last three years, particularly under this administration where the president has sort of unleashed hatred, has unleashed racism and has in many ways edge encouraged it. it's time for good decent people to speak out against president trump, to speak out against racism and hatred, to lock arms and stand shoulder in shoulder with all of us who want to see

this country fulfill its ideas. diversion, inclusion, justice along with freedoms and liberties for all. >> that's anthony brown of maryland. thanks for talking to us. >> thanks, joshua. >> as we've said, people across the country are talking about ways to improve policing. what are they saying? that's next. miles to the job site. the campsite. and anything else we set our sights on. miles that take us back to the places we want to go. and to the people who count on us. so, let's roll up our sleeves. because we've got miles to make up. but when allergies and congestion strike, take allegra-d... a non-drowsy antihistamine plus a powerful decongestant. so you can always say "yes"

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now to a developing story out of minneapolis. a majority of city council members have announced to that they plan to, in their words, begin the process of ending the minneapolis police department. joining me is lisa bender, the president of the city council. good evening. >> good evening. thanks for having me. >> who would replace the police officer? what would that new officer be called or look like or act like? >> that's the great question. today we pledge to start that process, invite in every member of our community to imagine what

public safety will look like that actually keeps every member of our community safe and the great news that we have already started that work here in minneapolis. we have communities all over the city that have done community-based safety. we have started to hook at all the reasons people call 911 and call for help and match the appropriate response to those calls, so we have a lot of work ahead of us but we have the groundwork laid for trans formational change. >> what are some of your nonnegotiatables? last time we spoke we spoke on npr about affordable housing in minneapolis and the challenge is making sure that diverse communities still had places to live in the city. can you, for example, commit to making sure that the new thing reflects the diversity of minneapolis? >> absolutely. and you know, centering our communities as individuals in

our city who have been the most impacted by both community violence and police violence is really important. so today we made a bold commitment but following through on that is really going to take the choice voices of our community. again, the folks who have experienced silence. this will be a long road ahead but members of city council stood together and pledge to change policing. >> can you ensure residents that this will change? >> we took action. the mpd is having investigated for patterns of racial discrimination. we adopted something that puts in place more restrictions on use of force and more penalties for officers who violet those

and who don't intervene when seeing others doing so. even within days and weeks we're making change but we know the incremental steps aren't enough. we've done the incremental change and it's not working, so our community is asking us to really dig deep and to reimagine public safety so that every member of our community feels safe. >> what is it about this situation that's caused this call for wholesale change? why didn't this happen when fer lapdo castillo died? >> the only answer i know to that is that george floyd's death was so terrific, and seeing reform isn't working and we have a brought swath of our community speaking out from our former mayor to our former police chief to school board and park board, our university who

has ended the relationships with the minneapolis police department the last couple of weeks, our community has finally had enough. the family of george floyd, who spoke out so beautifully at his memorial, they're calling on us directly for change. i think that's very powerful coming from the family. and i think it weighs on all of us to know that our efforts so far haven't been enough. >> you must know that if the city goes through with this, you are setting yourselves up with an epic battle with some of the police rank and file, maybe with the union to prevent this from happening, maybe to ensure that mpd officers get first crack at whatever the new jobs are. to minneapolis police officers who have done everything the city has ordered them to do and now they feel discarded and blamed for things they did not do, now that everybody has decided to make them the proxy

for legacy systemic racism in your city. for those officers who are like, damn, thanks for nothing, what would you say to them? >> i would say our whole system is entrenched in the legacy of white supremacy and racial injustice, that our police department, those officers who feel that what happened to george floyd is unthinkable need to speak out. their voices are important, and that we need to work together to build a community that's safe for everyone. trust in our police department is beyond low. it's beyond repair. to the extent that law enforcement is part of our future, we need those officers who are with us who believe that what happened to george is unacceptable to speak out. >> lisa bender is the president of the minneapolis city council. if there's one thing we know about the township cities, that is an area that is very serious about improving quality of life

for people who live there. there's been some progress made, more to come. we'd like to stay in touch, but thanks for taking time for us tonight. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> tomorrow a bill aimed at improving law enforcement accountability and changing police practices will be lacked at. are americans more dissatisfied with factics or violence? in a poll three out of five said police behavior in the death of george floyd bother them more. japg us is the co-founder and senior vice president for the center for policing equity, a 25 year veteran of the denver police department. good evening. >> good evening. >> what do you make of that pole regarding what bothers americans more? >> i think you make a lot of different polls, right, so i think what folks may be reacting to is the death of mr. floyd on

tv. you have to understand that most folks never witnessed anything like that. i think it's about the conversation about how people experience policing and what they think that police should be doing. i think there's different ways to look at it. i think what i think what i take from that is the fact that they're disturbed by the outcomes of policing. >> i don't know if you can hear our conversation with lisa bender from the mals city council, but if you could, i'd love to hear your reaction as to what we heard. >> i did. i heard it. and i have to tell you that minneapolis is the first, i'm sure there are going to be many more cities behind minneapolis. but i think when you raised were some very interesting questions. there's this larger debate about not just dismantling police but the incremental changes that have happened through reforms. there's a lot of unanswered questions in this space. one thing we do know and the one thing i do agree with is the fact that this work, whatever it

looks like on the other side of here, cannot be done unless community is centered here. i think the other issue that we certainly are going to have to grapple with is what you brought up. the fact that you have thousands of police officers throughout the country who do the right thing on a day lay basis. so i know it sends a message to them in ways that it might not be intended but it raises the issue of whether officers really understand what's going on in this moment. i think there are a lot of unknowns. but one thing i mentioned in my op ed is policing has to be fundamentally changed on the other side of this. >> also joining us is mall home run. he's a veteran prosecutor and legal analyst. paul, good evening. >> thanks for having me. >> paul, the trump administration has called for a strong presence to put down violence on the streets. here is what attorney general

william bar said in an interview that aired this morning. >> and you believe that what the -- our police did using tear gas and pro general iels was appropriate? >> it was an operation to move the perimeter one block. >> and the methods they used were appropriate? >> when they met resistance, yes. they announced three times. by the way, there was no tear gas. the tear gas was used sunday when they had to clear eighth street to allow the fire department to come in and save st. john's children. >> there were chemical irtants. >> no, there were not. pepper spray is not a chemical. >> you're saying -- >> pepper balls.

>> it does have chemicals in it. they're naturally occurring but they're still chemicals. the toermg is zpligt hairs. setting that aside, paul, how much impact does that kind of rhetoric have? regardless of what the attorney general says it seems some are backing off from that type of tactics, at least in part. >> they're backing off from those tactics but at this moment in time it feels hike too little too late. so when you hear words like that and when you hear comments like that, it's what's leading us to this crossroads that we're at right now having this conversation where we're re-evaluating policing in this country. doing has it be a flash point that comes up again and again about problems throughout this nation, fore first time, i think we're approaching this as communities of color and broader communities asking and

approaching what are froft sack row sapgt issues like police bumgts and how are we tying our tax dollars to what we want to have happen? we have to be able to stop and prevent police around law enforcement agencies from doing what we don't want them to do as much as we understand for them to do what we want them to do. so i think now we're approaching that in many different ways with specific demands nopd just we want justice, beyond just we want parity. we want an sbangs and a focus so that the tax dollars being spent are being specifically enumerated to make sure that the expenses that we're having, especially right now with covid and with the economy, everyone is demanding that if we are going to continuishing our tax dollars for public safety, we

want a seat at the tail to demand what those tax dollars are being used for and where they're going to go. we haven't heard police departments say, oh, this budget is so tight, we can't afford more bullets, we can't afford more riot equipment but we are hearing from health care workers that we can't afford ppe. i think now is the time to raise the issues and find out exactly what our dollars are going to go for. it has to be with a lot of initiatives that we don't have to up vent. we know the best practices for this kind of oversight is having civilian oversight agencies. we're going to have to demand more of those. we have to demand specifically that we have use of force. those conversations are taking mace and i'm excited they're taking place in this country. >> thank you for making time for us tonight. we've followed the protests

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the national hurricane center predicted an above-normal hurricane season. this was the first official week of the season and we're already on our third named system. tropical storm cristobal, a tropical storm warping is in effect for the headache of lake porch train, the same lake whose levee broke 15 years ago during hurricane katrina. kerry sanders is in new orleans. this is the 15th anniversary of katrina. >> this is a reminder of folks

along the gulf coast and anybody who lives in a hurricane zone that there are hurricanes likely through as you mentioned as many as 19 may storms predicted for this season. most people's minds have been on wearing this mask on the pandemic. you have the protests, much of the city here. had a protest today had the city asked people to please rest from protesting because of the weather, and of course you have the economy across the nation. this reminded people that mother nature is not paying attention to any of that. along lake porvelg train, the water came over the sea wall and flashed in and flooded the streets. it did not go of the levee. that levee is built there to protect the homes. as you go southbound to grand isle, they had a mandatory volcanoes to get the visitors, people in the fish camps out, the tourists, but the people

remade and the water essentially washed over most of the island there. it is now reseating. this is a tropical storm. people didn't expect it to be quite like that. the storm extended here all the way to the east hitting from tampa bay all the way up through the gulf coast through florida and a tornado started out as a waterspout in orlando, made its way on to land. that tornado then up ended some roofs on houses, damages buildings, knocked out powerlines. about 50 people were displaced. fortunately nobody was seriously injured by this but it's a wakeup call that if you haven't been paying attention, we are in hurricane season. and remember, this year will be different for everybody who may have to evacuate because of the pandemic. in florida, for instance, they've worked out that some shelters while they'll be open will put a few people in one

class room, a few people in another class room and they will say to many people, don't come to the evacuation center. perhaps you should stay home and ultimately if you have coronavirus, you will go to a covid-19 only shelter. all of this is going to be very complicated as we head into what you started out saying could be a very busy season. >> they're expecting at least 13 named storms. we've covered quite a few of them. having the covid-19 shelters, we'll see how it goes. thank you, kerry. we'll come back from new orleans to new york and see how this city's police department might change ahead. you know what's good about this? your sign's pointing at my sign, so people are gonna look at my sign.

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new york may be the city that never sleeps but for the last few days we've been on a curfew. tonight, that is over. protesters gathered earlier for the 11th night in a row, this time without an 8:00 p.m. curfew. new yorkers got a look at how law enforcement may be. >> we're about to go into a budget process in the next few weeks to make the final decisions on the city budget. i want to make a statement of principle right now that based on the suggestions of the caucus, based on the work of the task force that we will be moving funding from the nypd to youth initiatives to social

services. >> the upcoming budget is about $89 billion. $5 billion currently is set aside for the lapd. the bunt decline is july 1st. last week deglass owe came under fire for his handling of the protests. jermaine williams was among the critics. >> you can no longer hide behind your black wife and children. not anymore. you're exposed now. we're at a time when we need your leadership and it is not there. >> public advocate jermaine williams acts as an ombudsman and joins us now. good evening. >> good evening. how are you? >> i'm good. talk to me about marching with the protesters this week. you look like you're out and an right now, as a matter of fact. >> yeah, yeah. i apologies.

i just jumped in. there was a tense moment with officers at the foot to have manhattan bridge, so we're trying to work that out. i'm going to jump back out when we speak. the mayor's happened this pretty bad from the beginning. i think there's a turning point now but the city really made something and we didn't get it. i'm happy he put out some idea as we speak, but they're pretty soft. after ten days of protests you would expect something a little harder. i guess i'm thankful he's at least speaking about it. up to this point, the own response has been more police an a curfew. >> i mispronounced your first name, i apologize. mayor de blasio, here's another chip from this morning's press conference. >> it takes in new york city too long for there to be accountability for officers to do the wrong thing.

that is something we can and must change. that is a tradition that must change. you are starting to see that change. not enough yet. i want to be clear. >> what's the number one change that you would like to see in the nypd either long term or short term? what's at the very top of your list? >> well, right now, if you wanted to they could address the officers that are still on the force who helped with eric garner. many people believe this case is over with and it's not. the people who killed him, officers hide about what happened. we want to see the changes he's talk you can about. i applaud the city council for putting forth a more bold plan. we need to see him support those things. we need to say that the mayor should o no longer in new york city be allowed to hire the commissioner without the advice and concept of the city council. we need to say that we're

changing what public safety means and that doesn't mean just coming in and saying we're going to set up some funding. we got to take $1 billion from that city budget from the nypd and put it on the things that we're trying to cut. he needs to say we're going to for the repeal of 50 a and squloin other places and say we're no longer going to shield the records of police officers so that we can ep with the discipline. we have to be bold right now. we're not going for the low hanging fruit. we're not going to protest for ten days to get low hanging fruit. that's been done a long time ago. >> before i let you go i have to ask about that clip we played of your criticism. you ripped into him. he can't hide behind his black white and children. do you believe he's using his multi-racial family for street credit to make himself see more

woke than he really is? >> a point of anger, it's been two days of the mayor teg me the top ranking black official in new york city, that i wasn't experiencing what i was experiencing. if i had to do again i think i should have rephrased it. what i would have said is the mayor has and does used his proximity to blackness without bringing the reforms that are needed. >> understood. i appreciate the revision and i appreciate you making tiles for us. he's the public advocate in the city of new york. thanks very much. >> thank you. >> how might the energy mr. the protests across the country turn into social and legislative change? that's next.

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june 17th will mark five years since the deadly shooting at mother emanuel a.m.e. church

in charleston, south carolina. nine people died in that rareliy motivated attack. a.j. moore lost his sister in the shooting. tragedy motivated him to run for office as a state run as a sta representative. he said that we appear to be worse off now than when dylann roof opened fire on that prayer group. mr. moore, good evening. >> good oevening. good to see you again. >> good to see you, too. we're worse off now? why is that? >> i'm reminded of the african proverb that talks about the leopard, the big cat in the jungle. and in that proverb, it says the scheme skin of the leopard is beautiful, but the heart of the

leopard is evil. too often, when we have these racially motivated tragedies, police shootings that have an implicit bias, too often, we he no substantive change happening after that. no economic opportunities for people of color, no opportunities as it relates to better policing. we took on a fight, and i think this time, we must demand more from our systems and our government. >> how are the demonstrations in the charleston area going on right now? are people cynical, worried, angry, all of the above? >> i think it's all of the

above. what i'm so excited about is we have a new generation of motivated leaders who care about making substantive change. i'll give an example, i had a conversation with one of the leaders of the black lives matter charleston movement, marcus. a couple of days ago, he said, listen, i need to get more involved, i need to get organized and see this through. he literally resigned from his job to make this his purpose in life. we have young people like jacob, a part of my team, who is doing an incredible job just trying to unite young people. we just have -- i'm very hopeful, but i've been here before. so part of me is cynical. but i'm always reminded and

uplifted by young people like jacob and marcus. >> and looking at images of hollywood boulevard, lots of people there making some very precise demands. you have come up with a plan called the more justice agenda. what is the key piece of that plan? is there one item that is the cornerstone of it? >> i think a key piece is actually all of it. i think it's, to really have more justice, we need to demilitarize the police force. and another big part of it is citizen review boards need to be in the departments they represent. it should not be the mayors of

cities appointing the citizen review boards. and we need police to represent the people racially, culturally, that they're policing. we need to put in incentives for police officers to live in the communities in which they police. there are so many different things, police officers, we in south carolina, for example, most only have an initial training of, like, ten weeks. that's unacceptable, we need at least a year, two years for police officers. lawyers, it's seven years if you count undergrad. police officers can be on the street with the responsibility of protecting the life of me, my daughter, and my entire family, it's unacceptable. we need to -- but all of this is very important. we definitely need a more just criminal justice system. >> and briefly, i don't know if you can see it, but we were looking at the protests in los

angeles. they were having a little bit of a dance party, literally break dancing. the tone of the protests feels very, very different than any protests about police brutality ever have before. i know you talked about not going to the same thing five years from now. what is the main thing you want america to do, to make sure we're not having this conversation a few years from now? >> i want people to realize, right now we're in the valley. but the mountain is in front of us. and like i was saying earlier, with that african proverb, we can't allow things that look beautiful like this break dancing in los angeles stray us away from substantive, meaningful change. we need to change the hearts and minds of systems that were designed and created to margi l marginalize people.

>> right. >> so as long as we do that, this will be difficult. we need to demand it, and we can't allow beautiful things to get us distracted from that. >> j.a. moore, thanks so much for making time for us. >> thank you so much. good to see you again. our final word this hour comes from prince. he would have turned 62 today. prince frequently performed on his birthday. this year, his estate gave us a different kind of present, an unpublished, hand-written note from his archives. nothing more ugly in the wide world than intolerance between everyone. thank you, i look forward to seeing you next weekend. until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. stay safe, stay sharp. we will get through this. good night.

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