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pandemic pretty much right from the start. i've seen the devastation firsthand. i've also seen how some countries and some leaders have risen to the challenge. while others fail. in the united states, this virus exposed old divisions. >> the covid-19 cases and deaths will disproportionately affect african-americans. >> we went to a very dark place. >> police officers have been fired after a man was pinned to the ground and died. >> are you on the right side of history? >> it didn't have to be this way. ♪
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newly identified deadly virus from china. >> a variation of the coronavirus. >> fear it could spread further. >> when this virus was just starting up, i was watching it from afar and thought, this is going to be a problem. i couldn't get into mainland china. so i went to one of the first places i could get to. >> hong kong, which has reported its first death from the coronavirus. >> the hong kong government has heightened the monitoring of the coronavirus. >> hong kong was taking this immensely seriously. when i landed at the airport in february, i had to fill out a form, where i was coming from, where i was going, my phone number. so at the hong kong airport, they're making an announcement to maintain personal hygiene, and not to travel through wuhan,
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china. this is one of the busiest transport hubs in the world, there is nobody here. they were setting up quarantine areas. they were segregating doctors into covid doctors and non-covid doctors. people immediately put masks on. they were already accustomed to it. you didn't have this idea that putting on a mask was somehow a violation of their freedom. hong kong had a lot of advantages. they've dealt with and contained pandemics before. sars, h1n1. they've had success to build on. everyone i spoke to in hong kong told me this was coming to the rest of the world. >> there are people in the western world saying that there is nothing to be worried about. >> so you don't think they're sounding the alarm loud enough? >> no.
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>> in retrospect, it all sounds obvious. but in february, doctors in hong kong were telling me how this virus spreads. >> we've seen many cases of clustered infections within families and groups of friends, who pass on the virus to one another just within a mealtime. they have lunch or dinner together. >> one meal? >> yes. then they transmit the virus to one another. >> that's what i remember most about hong kong, they were acting early, they knew what it was, and it wasn't a big secret. they were telling everyone exactly what they were facing and what they were doing. unlike president trump, who said time and time again that no one could have seen this pandemic coming. >> the first confirmed u.s. case of the contagious coronavirus. >> a public health emergency.
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>> well, some of his own experts saw it coming. i went to the states and at his headquarters, i met dr. anthony fauci, he was not nearly the household name in america that he was about to become. >> there are people who are shrugging this off, saying it's just like the flu. >> right. you certainly shouldn't be panicking. but to deny there is a threat is being unrealistic. it's clear there is a threat, because it's brand-new, and there isn't any baseline immunity. >> are you getting the political support from this administratioadministratio administration? president trump has repeatedly downplayed this. is there pressure on you from the administration to downplay it? >> no, there's absolutely no pressure. i tell it like it is, i've been doing it for 36 years, and i will continue to tell it like it is. >> and for a little while, dr.
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fauci did get to speak his mind. president trump put together this coronavirus task force that gave daily briefings. for a moment, it seemed like president trump was waking up to the coronavirus threat, which he had often compared to the seasonal flu. >> we have a few clips we're going to put up. >> but the press conferences were quickly dismissed by many as disinformation and propaganda. >> i want to thank the president and vice president. >> i want to thank the president for a quick turnaround. >> the president has been outstanding. >> it was becoming clear that president trump's political agenda was overriding the science, particularly when it came to something that would hurt the economy. >> my concern is, we would start to see little spikes that would
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turn into outbreaks. >> anthony is a very good person. i have disagreed with him. we have to open our country. we have no choice. >> people heard the president's message, and started protesting against the lockdowns. and they started targeting dr. fauci, because he was giving president trump advice he didn't want to hear. and this man regarded by his colleagues as one of the best virologists alive became an enemy of the people. it was becoming clearer that america's approach to the pandemic was very different than the rest of the world's. i went to sweden. they also took a very different approach. but there, the scientists were running the show.
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>> it's the politicians who make the decisions, but here it's scientists. >> the whole approach was based on trust. >> sweden is taking a relaxed approach to the coronavirus outbreak. >> leaving restaurants, schools, and malls open. >> it's the government's decision to allow freedom of movement. >> following social distance guidelines, and recommending the elderly stay at home. >> the basic approach was to focus protection on the most vulnerable, on the elderly, and care homes, and pretty much leave everybody else alone. stores are still open. and people are out with their sandwiches and their beer and having a nice time. and if you go all the way around, it's not just this one part of the street where we are. it's like this across the downtown area. >> i have not seen a reporter stand in a street with that many
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people behind them since this coronavirus pandemic started. >> i spoke with dr. enders tegno, he's like sweden's version of dr. fauci. he was like a cult figure, people knew his name, they were getting his face tattooed on their bodies. i was amazed at his candor. what do you say to critics who say the policy is too risky, you're just rolling the dice and hoping it's going to work? >> i think everybody is rolling the dice and wondering if it is going to work. and that's lockdown or any kind of measures, because nobody has tried it before. >> the strategy was risky. they had a higher death toll than their immediate neighbors, significantly higher than norway, finland, and denmark. but the key point was the
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italy is one of the countries that had the capacity to react and did. they were a little slow for a couple of weeks, but then they had a plan. bergamo is a wonderful medieval hilltop town. it's in the wealthiest part of northern italy. but it was hit hard. >> all of italy, a country of 60 million people, is now effectively a red zone. >> within the past couple of hours, the italian prime minister has announced restrictions on movement across the entire country. >> bergamo was the epicenter. they were scrambling from the get-go. >> italian hospitals are at
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their absolute limit, with hundreds more deaths reported daily. >> they went from a few cases to a true outbreak with exponential growth almost immediately. >> italy has reached another grim milestone. >> the death toll has risen by nearly -- >> the death toll is now higher than anywhere else in the world. >> i went to italy because i wanted to see how the hardest hit country in europe was able to emerge. the bergamo hospital is a huge facili facility. in the covid ward, we met this doctor. >> every unit has been divided with the red line. this is the so-called dirty area. so we shouldn't step inside there. >> this is the danger zone, when
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you're close to the patient? >> absolutely. >> is that enough? we hear it's so contagious. is a line drawn on the ground going to do anything? >> yes, it's the concept of knowing if you work here, you need to take all the precautions so if you work here, you're not exposed. >> this covid ward had almost been overwhelmed. at the peak, they were coming in every three minutes. and in bad shape. people were coming in near death. >> we were up to close to 600 patients out of 750. so basically all of the activity of the hospital. the hospital reacted very well. we had up to 75% of the personnel of the hospital dedicated to the covid patients. >> when they were being overwhelmed, you said most of
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the patients had on these helmets. it's a pressurized air helmet. it's almost like some sort of ancient scuba suit that you put over your head, that pushes air through your nose and mouth at a universal pressure. >> we dropped the number of covid positive patients. now we're moving back to sort of normal. >> right next to bergamo in another town, we met this doctor. he took us on to the covid ward. before you go on to the covid ward, you suit up. >> follow me. this is where we have all the devices to protect the physician. >> it's like you're going between two pressurized doors before going out on some spacewalk. >> beyond that line, you have to be perfect. >> you have to put on the face mask, and the blouse.
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and two layers of gloves. and coverings over your shoes and the face shield. everything to be covered. >> the very beginning it was very tough, because you have to learn the sequence, how to dress you up and how to take your gloves out. there's a sequence, you cannot -- >> you can't just do it. >> you need to do it like this. >> it's hard to concentrate on exactly what you're doing, because it feels a little uncomfortable. most of all, it's time-consuming. it takes forever. and you don't want to get it wrong, because you, yourself, are contaminated. like bergamo, they were also hit very hard, very early on. it spread quickly. >> we were completely submerged by a sort of tsunami coming up. >> the doctor was showing me what he had done on his ward to
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cope with the pandemic. he said they had to improvise. >> we said, this is like a worst scenario. we need to be flexible, use different tools. >> treat it like a war zone. >> yes. >> flexible, fast, take the old rule book and put it aside. >> assess, treat, move. this is the sternum and the spine. this is a supine position. >> he pulled up the chest x-rays of a covid patient. it's primarily a respiratory disease. until he did that, i hadn't really understood what this does to the lungs. >> you can see here, you have a white portion. these empty spots, that's air. this is the left portion of the lung, which is still working. which is not much. it's swollen, and there is
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liquid where it should not be found. it's a disaster for the lung. >> lungs are like sacs of air. they fill up with water, and start to collapse under their own weight. so this is not good. but if you pump in air here, what happens? it goes to the spot where it wants to go, and then you can kill the patient or rip their lung. they tried these other things. they flip you over, it's gravity. they're trying to take the air that is on top and force it down into the compacted areas. >> the strategy is when you put the patient into prone position, the pressure is now trying to reopen. >> in a healthy lung, this would all be air. >> yes. >> did this person survive? >> no. >> no. i met a covid survivor. a lot of them can't speak at
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all. but this man, roberto, a former police officer, was on the road to recovery, and he was happy to talk. how are you feeling, sir? >> i feel good. because i passed, i think, 40 days intensive care. it was terrible. >> he said he remembers vaguely in this dreamlike sleep, people around him saying, this guy is not going to make it. other people were dying. and he was now getting better. he said he was so weak, he couldn't raise one hand, let alone feed himself and dress himself. i said, what are you looking forward to when you get out? he said, good food. my mother makes the best rabbit and polenta. i said, okay, i want to come and have it with you when you're out. is that a deal?
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he said, done. italy got a positive result. within a couple of months, they were able to slowly open up again. and it felt like a renaissance. they were celebrating. they had won and they had won together as a nation. all over italy, people have been hanging encouraging signs on homes and shop windows. this one says, the coronavirus one day will be finished. and then the national slogan, it will all be okay. sometimes it hasn't felt like that. but at least people are trying to stay positive about it. >> even though most of their shops and businesses were closed, i got the sense that
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i wouldn't say the uk handled it particularly well. in the beginning, they wanted to ignore the problem. >> i was in the hospital the other night, there were a few coronavirus patients, and i shook hands with everybody. >> they were pretending it wasn't a big deal. >> we should be going about our business as usual. >> they lost a lot of time. i wouldn't say they had a clear, decisive strategy from the beginning. they wanted to have the economy open, to deal with it, and to move on. >> the death toll has risen by a record 980 people. >> the real number could be mutual higher. >> the highest number of deaths linked to the coronavirus. >> there is a strong resolve to defeat this together. >> so after being incredibly slow off the mark here, the uk
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did finally start taking things seriously. and its health care system was facing a real strain. numbers were going up and up, and they started to pay a price for their slow action. i was able to see that for myself. i went to a hospital in coventry. coventry is part of the industrial heartland of the uk. it's about an hour and a half drive from london, to the north. what struck me the most was when the ambulances arrived, there was a nurse who was trying to figure out where to send people. >> i could be putting a patient into the main area who i feel may have covid. but then they come back with their covid screen as negative. so actually, i put that patient in an area, and they might have caught covid because they didn't have it previously. >> it's hard work. we've seen a lot of death.
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>> why do you think it gets so deadly? >> we've never seen a disease quite this bad. there's an awful lot about the virus we don't understand, why it kills so many people is really a mystery. >> this doctor was responsible for the e.r., the most severely sick patients. he said they, too, were at a breaking point, and patients were coming in and were profoundly sick. but he was a little bit encouraged when i saw him, because the numbers were starting to go down. and he thought they were getting a better handle on it. >> our covid critical care is getting quieter. we had a big peak of admissions, but now that the country has been in lockdown for five, six weeks, we've seen a downturn in cases. >> what was the main focus today? >> once they get into the recovery phase, the doctor's role becomes less key, if you
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like. it's the nurses, particularly, that spend the most time with the patients. giving a bit of an emotional boost, because it's hard for the patients. >> nurses are there, they deal with the patient, and deal with the best and usually the worst of the patients. lisa said one of the hardest things she deals with is having to help people say good-bye. >> the father came in, he was very sick and died. the son doidn't know his father had died. we had to tell him that, and it was quite heartbreaking, because he couldn't get in touch with his family. so we had to tell him, and he was very upset. we put him to sleep, put him on a ventilator, and he died as well. at that point, we were able to get an ipad so his family actually watched him die from home on the ipad. >> it's so impersonal.
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it's no way to go, it's no way to say good-bye. it's no way to say -- it's -- it's terrible. >> i've worked in intensive care for a long time. so, you know, there are certain things that will stay with you your whole life. and that will be one of them. >> are you hopeful for a vaccine? do you think about that, as medical professionals, that we had better get this done? >> yeah, yeah. i hope so. >> the race for a coronavirus vaccine is on. scientists hoping to start production even before it's approved. >> the president raising hopes of a vaccine by the end of the year. can it be done? >> yeah, we'll get a vaccine. it's uncertain how long that will take. but vaccination is the way this will be controlled. >> one thing this country does have is brilliant scientists, lots of them. and one of them is jeffrey smith, who teaches at cambridge,
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lives in oxford. >> it's been fun, seeing how viruses tick, it's an ongoing arms race. >> we know the horrible shape of the ball with the spikes on the end. is it a particularly hard virus to deal with? >> well, it's quite transmissable. so that's a challenge. but we will make a vaccine to this. i'm quite sure of that. >> i'm encouraged by your optimism. but what gives you that optimism? >> it's the time it takes the test them that is the challenge. then if it works, you have the challenge of producing hundreds of millions of doses of this thing. in a way that is stable and can be distributed widely. so i'm confident we can do all those they thiings. it's just a question of time. >> there's incredible progress being made toward a vaccine.
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one of the key studeinstitutes e jenner institute at oxford. they are taking part in the vaccine trials. they've put up their hands, all three of them in the same family, saying we have confidence in the research going on at oxford. we're going to do this. >> it was her idea. >> saw it on facebook, obviously. >> on the oxford university web, facebook page, they were advertising for volunteers. >> you were just looking, you came across this facebook page, and you said immediately, i'll do that? >> i think i clicked it and signed up within about three minutes. so, yeah. >> impulsive? >> yes. >> are you optimistic, true believers? >> i'm really excited that we're
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part of something to exciting and new, and the way that we might get back to living life normally again. >> the whole world's economy and health, everybody is just living in hope day to day. and, you know, to be part of what could be the solution going forward, to get us back to whatever the new normal may or not be, is quite special, really. >> just being around them was encouraging. first of all, they felt and looked good. that's the best sign. upbeat, excited, laughing. keeping very, very high spirits. >> how much of a commitment is it? >> we had to sign up for our e-diary, which is a way of logging the symptoms every day. there's tony doing his on the ipad. we had to take our temperature every day for seven days, and write down any symptoms we had, and if we had any swelling at
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the site, we had to measure, and put how swollen it was in the diary. >> a lot of people around the world are hopeful there will be a vaccine, and are encouraged that so far you don't have horns growing out of your heads. >> completely horn-free. >> so far, so good. >> the uk paid a heavy price for its slow start. for a small country surrounded by water, their death rate was astonishing. and their emergence from lockdown has been chaotic and confusing. but just like in italy, the experience has forged an enhanced sense of national identity, a pride in their health service. but there's another side of covid i discovered while traveling. there are countries that can't do anything about it because they're too poor.
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for me, the most revealing thing about mexico city is that nobody even knows how big it is. when you ask people, are there 20 million people that live in the greater mexico city area? is it 22? some people say 25. if they don't even know within two or three million people, the population of the city, how are they supposed to control a pandemic? >> concerns abound over the level of preparedness in the region. >> the national health system could seen be under the greatest pressure from the virus. >> it's far more serious than authorities are letting on.
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[ speaking foreign language ] >> it would be easy for me or any american to go and say, oh, look at these people. they're not social distancing, don't they realize this is a contagious disease? for people in mexico, and for people all over the developing world, they have to go to work. that means going to the market. as you approach it, there are these big signs warning you that it is a contagion area. but people still go. ♪ the market is the central market in mexico city. it's probably the biggest market in all of latin america. ♪ it's 800 acres of fruit and vegetable stalls, meat, anything you could possibly want food-wise is in this market.
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>> and does he come into contact with people? of course he does. is he aware there's a virus out there? of course he is. but there's not a damn thing he can do about it. they can't pause to deal with the virus. they don't have enough cushion, enough of a safety net to pause for a month or two or three. to get over it and to really understand it. >> in mexico, half of the population lives under the line of poverty. >> their coronavirus czar gives the daily press briefings that people watch. he gives the appearance of progress. but in reality, the government isn't doing very much. nobody knows the number of covid cases in mexico city because they're not testing.
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>> this is a moment in which you have way too many cases, where you can't handle the testing and the action that corresponds to the testing. >> it sounds like you're not testing by choice, as opposed to not testing because you can't. >> absolutely. thank you for putting that out. that is exactly the answer. >> there's an old expression, don't ask questions you don't want to hear the answers to. that's exactly what is happening in mexico. why test if the answer you're going to get is something you can't deal with? >> i think that's a mistake. testing should be available for the entire population, and also for the medical profession. >> this man has been a paramedic for 28 years. the lack of testing was driving him crazy. why do you think they're not doing it? why do you think they've decided, no, we're not going to do much testing? >> they must know something we
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don't know as the general population. maybe they want to restart the economy again, or they want to keep the numbers low and nice-looking. >> he recognized there's not much that mexico can do about the covid situation. but he hated the fact that they were keeping the numbers down. and we spent a couple of days following him around. ♪ >> how many of the patients that you're transferring are covid patients? >> for the last couple of months, 95% have been covid. >> 95%? >> that's correct. >> now he was having to drop off patients at places where he knew the care was substandard.
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>> i go from a good medical center with good resources but considering those are at full capacity, i have to go to a second one. the level of care is not good, but at least they're in a hospital setting. >> basic. very basic. >> not up to the level -- >> of what a covid victim needs. >> yes. after many years, you're less sensitive to situations and to kids dying when you have them on your hands. and to family members crying next to you. but it's really been hard. >> since they're not stopping the virus, it's going to keep coming back. it's just going to keep going and keep going and keep going. i think covid-19 is going to divide the world even more than it is.
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and what goes for mexico is going to be the same across the developing world. and eventually, when there is some sort of, and let's hope it's soon, of a vaccine or drug, they'll be the last person to get it. if it's developed in the united states, they know it's going to go to americans first. >> what would you do if you were the head of state of a developed country? you had better take care of your population first. that's obvious and simple to understand. yes, i think mexico and some other countries will be second class world citizens in that way. >> i left mexico very depressed. i was incredibly impressed by the ingenuity and drive of the doctors and people like
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fernando. but i got the impression they're never going to get over this. people who are unfortunate enough to have been born into difficult economic situations, it's going to be even harder for them to get out of it. the divide between the rich world and the poor world will be even more extreme. having traveled around the world covering covid, one thing has become abundantly clear. that this pandemic has exposed three fundamental divisions. there are countries that can act, and did. there are countries that can't, because they're generally too poor. and there are countries that could have acted, but who responded in such a chaotic and disorganized way that they failed. and i would put the u.s. at the top of that list. make banking easier.
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like most journalists, for the last six months or so, i've been doing nothing but cover covid. i've been going from country to country to country, and it's become crystal clear that there are many different approaches, different strategies that countries adopted that are very revealing about their national characteristics. >> i am absolutely confident we can send coronavirus packing in this country. >> we are at war. >> my name is messiah, but i can't work miracles. >> we have it so under control. we have really done a good job. go ahead. >> the anti-science movement in the united states is in power. >> it's called remdesivir.
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anti-rival drug, remdesivir. i feel good about it. it's just a feeling, you know, smart guy. how do you know so much about this? maybe i have a natural ability. maybe i should have done that instead of running maybe i should have done that instead of run for president. >> sign tcientific briefings th sound like a joke. >> i see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute. one minute. is there a way we can do something like that? by injection inside. >> or taking hydroxychloroquine. >> i'm taking it. hydroxychloroquine. >> when? >> right now. yeah. couple of weeks ago. started taking it. because i think it's good. i've heard a lot of good stories and if it's not good, i'll tell you right. i'm not going to get hurt by it. >> belarus is saying that hockey and ice and vodka are going to cure the coronavirus. >> translator: there are no viruses here. did you see any flying around?
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i don't see them, either. it's a refrigerator. it's not that different from saying that injecting yourself with bleach is a good idea. >> you as a virologist, american looking from the outside, anything in particular you would point to and say the u.s., this administration, got it wrong? >> in the u.s. there are some really excellent people and wise people who know about infectious diseases who are providing very sound advice, but it was almost like the epidemic was already a serious problem before action was taken. >> how would you rank the trump administration? >> i don't think they've done a very good job. >> in the u.s. states had their own approaches. >> all five states voted to extend restrictions. eight stays have stay-at-home orders expiring by friday. >> it became an issue for democrats and republicans to use to beat up against each other. >> the penalties are you might be killing your grand dad if you don't do it. >> what is our biggest obstacle? fear. fear of the unknown.
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>> covid became political. >> usa! usa! usa! usa! ♪ by the dawn's early >> we want to end the tyranny. we're tired of hearing the fear. >> we got to get back to just following the bill of rights and people need to understand that an executive order is not the law. >> trying to get rid of our tyrannical governor. she overstepped the powers that we, the people, have given her. >> i support your right to free speech. i just urge you, don't put yourself at risk. >> huge debates about the speed of which you can open up society or not open up society. >> we're taking up arms. it's time for us to fight against this. the only thing that's going to secure our freedoms is our willingness to step up and fight. >> the u.s. is sick right now with covid and with divisions. and one photograph i think showed that more than any other. there were two health care workers and they were being
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confronted by trump supporters. >> land of the free. >> people who were trying to protect society were being demonized for wearing masks. i haven't seen that level of animosity and anti-science hatred anywhere else in the world. >> across the country, other confrontations over masks have turned violent. >> you are not wearing that mask. a 99% survival rate and you're all wearing masks like sheep. >> i have a doctor's note where i don't have to wear one. i'll show you. >> you can't even see out of them. >> can you take it off because i cannot hear you. >> i'll just speak louder, sir. >> okay. good. you want to be politically correct. >> no, sir, i want to wear the mask. >> go ahead. >> i don't think wearing a mask to keep your own germs to yourself is necessarily an infringement on our constitutional rights. >> the constitution is not a suicide pact, for starters. your rights may end where it starts impinging on my health. >> the rest of the world has been watching the united states
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in shock and horror. >> the u.s. had the highest number of covid deaths. the economic impact was profound. the divisions in society were deep. and then came the spark that set america on fire. the anger and frustration were born out of a long history of injustice and suffering, but it was compounded by the fact that the government seemed unable to deal with a national crisis. >> there are so many layers of hurt that go back 400 years in this country, but when you see a black man being slaughtered on our streets, it touches all of us in a way that it's so difficult to articulate. >> so it's hardly surprising the killing of george floyd led to nationwide unrest. the death rate from covid-19 for african-americans is more than double that of white americans. and the unemployment caused by the pandemic will almost
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certainly affect minorities hardest, too. >> in america justice is everachieve eevernever achieved at the hands of an angry mob. i will not allow angry mobs to dominate. won't happen. >> gavin kushney. >> on 9/11 every year they read the names of people who died in the world trade center. they read them out. takes all day. but they do it. they'll never be able to read all the names of people who died from covid. over 100,000 dead and each one of them has a terrible story of heartbreak and sacrifice. i spoke to one man who lost his wife. jeff. he lives in staten island just a stone's throw from manhattan. the financial capital of the universe. very middle class. very nice. tight-knit family. you could tell that sharon was the glue that held this family together. >> she was a teacher. almost 30 years in middle
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school. she was incredibly dedicated. she would do anything for her students. >> and one of her colleagues got sick with covid symptoms and she tested positive. >> a few days after that she was having real trouble breathing so we did a teledoc visit. they said go to the emergency room, go to the hospital. so on the 28th of march, i took her to the hospital and said good-bye at the emergency room door. and -- excuse me. that following tuesday she was put on ventilator and after that, that saturday the 4th, she passed away. >> there was no reason that in a place with such advanced mel ca medical care and with so much money as the united states that you need to have so many people dying and struggling from a
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pandemic that so many saw coming. the world has seen which countries rose to the challenge, which countries failed under the pressure, and the world is going to see that the united states, when pressured, under president trump, failed. how about no no uh uh, no way come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card.
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in america's streets -- >> no justice, no peace! >> -- anger. and solidarity. >> hands up, don't shoot! >> a cry for justice. >> what are we supposed to do? nothing has changed. >> in the death of george floyd. remember today in minneapolis, emotional tributes -- >> do not cooperate with evil. protest against evil. >> -- in a country under siege. facing protests and political division along with a deadly pandemic. an economic crisis
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