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have died in vein, i'm lester holt, for all of us at nbc news, thank you for joining us tonight, good night. ♪ hey, there, i'm josh wha johnson, good to be with you tonight from nbc world headquarters in new york. the protests across the country are having an effect as we saw this weekend in a number of ways. it is a welcome change after days of chaos and fury over the death of george floyd at the hands of minneapolis police. new york police kept marchers out of times square today, still things have been peaceful enough for mayor bill de blasio to end the city's curfew early. it has been less calm in london. where protesters clashed with police. a group west of london pulled
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down the statue of a slave trader. meanwhile, mr. floyd's family continues to grieve their loss. yesterday, they celebrated his life in a worship service in his hometown in north carolina, and there will be another viewing tomorrow in houston. where george floyd grew up. the funeral is on tuesday. we expect joe biden will head to houston tomorrow. the presumptive democratic nominee will meet with the family. we begin with bill de blasio lifting the cure few a night early. and he is going to redirect some funds away from the nypd, we are joined live from brooklyn, how are folks reacting to the decisions from the mayor? there were thousands of folks below 42nd street, the police
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cordened off times square. we saw thousands of folks there and we made our way to grand army plaza, which is where we are now. the crowd has dispersed over the last couple of nights, you see very little arrests from the nypd, that is why the mayor is saying, no more curfew, when the curfew came at 8:00 p.m., that was the flash point between protesters and police officers. that's when you saw the most conflict between them two. but now, you are seeing the crowd just dispersing. i mean, throughout the day and all the protests, joshua that i have been seeing, there's been a message of unification. and they want real police reform and as you mention, mayor de blasio announcing today some of the reforms are being put in to place. defunding the police department, moving money away from nypd to youth programs. repealing 50-a, a law that
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censors the records of police officers and then wanting to address systemic racism in the country. they are going to continue to fight for it and come out. and as i spoke to individuals earlier today, they said they are going to march every single day until they see real systemic change in the country, joshua. >> thank you, we are joined from brooklyn there. let's go to los angeles, and check in with nbc's jacob, and jacob, there's been a crowd protesting down what i think was hollywood boulevard, and the l.a. mayor has talked about reducing funding to the l.a.p.d., where is the crowd now and what is going on and what do you hear them talking about? >> joshua, i'm not sure if you can see us, there's so much band width being taken up on what has to be thousands of people here on hollywood boulevard. i will do my best. we are going to give you a shot down that way. i know that we -- a lot of people out here on cell phones
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and live streaming and stuff like that. it is truly a sight to behold here in the city of los angeles. holy wood boulevard, for what must be miles is filled with people. protesting in support of black lives matter. this is an initially sanctioned event from black lives matter. the march is being led up at the front by the organizers of the movement here in los angeles. and including dr. malina, abdallah, and patrice withers and the rapper and activist yg, we heard speeches from them at the beginning with the similar refrain that we have been hearing all week long. defund the police and reinvest the money in to other areas of civic life here in los angeles. and the fact of the matter is, that is where the work is going to have to happen. once these streets are cleared and there's a senses of normalcy on the streets of los angeles, they are going to have to get to work. the city leaders will have to get to work and despite the fact that the mayor and the city are
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pledging over $100 million. that is not nearly enough for the leaders of the movement ander for people on the streets here and so, the truth of the matter is, we don't know what happens next and that's exactly what everyone is talking about here. >> it's been a busy day of protests all over the area. including where jacob is fighting for band width. george floyd was killed on memorial day, since then, it's been a dizzying blur of emotions. and we were already feeling many of the things before the protests began. three months of coronavirus left millions people without jobs. more than 110,000 people dead. and communities of color suffering an array of deep social ills even deeper. so, what do we do now? let's discuss it with the democratic congressman anthony brown of maryland, his district includes the suburbs west of
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d.c., and he is an iraq war veteran and retired colonel in the army reserve. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> it was the anniversary of the d-day invasion. we have seen troops and national guardsmen on our streets in the last weeks. and for the president to call for them to dominate the streets on or he will deploy the military and more. where does it all leave us? >> you know, joshua, that kind of language is disturbing. you mentioned, i spent 30 years in uniform with the united states army, five in active duty, a tour in iraq, and i like countless americans raised our right hand and were willing to put on the uniform to fight for the ideas that this country stands for. the freedoms. the freedoms of expression and assembly and religion and the freedom to petition our government. so the idea that we would turn our military on peaceful
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protesters who are exercising that fundamental right, is abhorant, it runs counter to the tradition of the military. it will cause severe damage to the military/civilian relationship, quite frankly i think it's going to hurt the military reputation and have a difficulty in recruiting people to serve in our nation's military. >> now, last week, house democrats introduced a bill to increase transparency in police departments. that measure lists seven steps, including accreditation and there's meanwhile a conversation about defunding police departments and replacing them with something new. are your colleagues in the house and the democratic caucus on the right tractor might they be thinking too small? >> i don't think we are thinking too small. in fact, i think this is big think on our part. this is a culmination of years of effort by particularly
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members of the congressional black caucus, we have put our heads together. this week, we will be rolling on out the justice in policing act of 2020. it does business transformative things. improving the transparency in policing. collecting better data. tracking rogue police officers so they cannot move from one precinct or department to another to avoid detection. and very important, improving police training and practices like ending racial and religious profiling, mandating training on racial bias. banning no-knock warrants and the choke hold and other rerestraints that have resulted in fatalaties over the years in our country. i think it's not counter to efforts to defund the police, but this is not about defunding the police. it's about transforming police departments across the country. so, they can protect and serve
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the very communities that they are asked and protecting to serve and not to assault and violate so many communities, particularly black communities as we have seen not just recently since the age of video cameras on your hand-held device. but we know it's been happening for decades if not centuries. >> what would you like to see law enforcement agencies do in the short-term to build more trust. is there one thing at the top of the list? >> sure. one thing at the top of the list is where you see police officers who are violating the rights of citizens, assaulting them, like we have seen, even in the past week, since the killing of mr. floyd in minuteappear li -- in minneapolis, you have to hold them accountable so that no officer is above the law. you are charged with upholding the law, if you break the law, we will bring it on you like anybody else. >> this week, the washington post published an oped from
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condoleezza rice, she wrote systemic change is necessary but insufficient to deal with america's deep seeded racism and including those that don't feel they have -- we encounter the problems with decent people that do not want to react that way, and it can be over come and often are. before i let you go, congressman, what do you think these decent people as the secretary puts it, should be doing right now? >> decent people should be speaking up. it should not be just black and brown people pointing out injustices and discrimination against communities of color. it should be the decent people. the decent white people speaking up. and you know what? the good thing is, so many have not only in the past week, but
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they have been over the years. but we just need everyone speaking up and saying enough is enough. we will no longer tolerate racist language and conduct. enough is enough. enough. for a while, i really thought our country was making progress. but i have been disenchanted over the last not just week but the last three years. particularly under this administration where the president has sort of unleashed hatred, has unleashed racism. and has been in many ways encouraged it. so, it's time for good decent people to speak out against president trump. to speak out against racism and hatred and lock arms and stand shoulder and shoulder with all of us to fulfill the ideas. justice, along with freedoms and liberties for all. >> it's democratic congressman anthony brown of maryland, congressman, thanks for talking to us. thanks, joshua. >> as we have said people across
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now, to a developing story out of minneapolis tonight, a majority of city council members have announced that they are going to begin the process of ending the minneapolis police department. joining us now is lisa bender. the president of the minneapolis city council. good evening. >> good evening. thanks for having me. >> who would replace the police officers? what would the new officer be called or look like or act like? >> that's a great question. and today, we pledged to start that process. and invite if in every member of our community to imagine what public safety will look like, that actually keeps everyone member of our community safe. and the great news is that we have already started that work here in minneapolis. we have a community all over the city that have done community
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based safety. we have started to look at all the reasons people call 9-1-1 and call for help and match the appropriate response to those calls. so we have a lot of work ahead of us. but we have the groundwork laid for transformational change. >> what are your nonnegotiables of what the future department would need to be like. the last time you and i spoke, we spoke odd -- spoke on npr so that diverse communities would have places to live in the city. can you commit to make sure that the new force reflects the diversity of minneapolis? >> absolutely. and you know, centering our communities and individuals in our city who have been, you know, the most impacted by both community violence and police violence is really important. so, today, we made a bold commitment, but following through on that, is really going to take the voices of our
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community. and again, you know, the folks who have experienced violence, need to be front and center and ep had us learn from all of those community examples that we already have. so, this will be a long road ahead, but today, nine members of the minneapolis city council stood together with community and pledged to end policing as we know it. >> what about the use of force? can you ensure residents that it will change? >> you know, even on friday, we took action, our state human rights department is investigating the mpd for patterns of racial discrimination. so we adopted a temporary restraining order that puts in to place, more restrictions on use of force and new penalties for officers who violate those and don't intervene when they see others doing so. even in a short-term, within days and weeks we are making change. but we know that those incremental steps are not enough. we have made reform, you know, we have done that incremental
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change and it's not working. so, our community is asking us to really dig deep, and to reimagine public safety so that every member of our community feels safe. >> what is it about this situation that is caused this call for wholesale change? >> i mean, why didn't it happen when fernando castille died? >> the only way to answer that, is to say, george floyd's death was so horrific. and our community has been through so much police violence and seeing our efforts at reform, has seen, it's not working and we have a broad swath of our community speaking out from the former mayor and to the former police chief, to the school board and park board and our university who have ended the relationships with the minneapolis police department in the last couple of weeks. the community has had enough. and you know, the family of george floyd, who spoke out so beautifully at his memorial and
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in other ways is calling on us directly for change. i think it's powerful can coming from the family. and i think, it weighs on all of us to know that our efforts so far have not been enough. you must know that if the city goes through with this, you are setting up for an epic battle with some of the police rank and file, including perhaps a pitched battle in court with the union, maybe to prevent this from happening to ensure that mpd officers that have an otherwise clean record get first crack at the new jobs. to minneapolis police officers who have done everything that the city has ordered them to do and now they feel discarded and blamed for things they did not do, now that everyone has decided to make them the proxy for legacy system issic racism in your city, for those officers who are like, well, damn, thanks for nothing. what do you say to them? >> i would say, our whole system is entrenched in the legacy of
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white supremacy and racial injustice, and the police department and the officers that feel that what happened to george floyd is unthinkable need to speak out. their voices are important. and that we need to work together to build a community that is safe for everyone. you know, trust in our police department is beyond low. it's beyond repair. and so, to the extent that law enforcement is part of our future, we need the officers who are with us, who believe that what happened to fworj is unacceptable to speak out. >> lisa bender is the president of the minneapolis city council. if there's one thing we know about the twin cities, it's an area that is very serious about improving quality of life for people that live there. there's been progress made, more yet to come. we like to keep in touch with you as this moves forward. thanks for taking time for us tonight. >> thanks for having me.
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>> congressional democrats will have a bill aimed at accountability and changing police practices. or americans more upset about the police tactics or the violence that marred the protests? >> according a "wall street journal" pole said, the police behavior in the death of george floyd bother them more. now we have the president of the center for policing equity and a 25 year member of the denver police department. good evening. >> good evening. >> what do you make of the poll regarding what bothers americans more? >> well, i think, you make a lot of different polls. right. so i think what is interesting is what folks may be reacting to is the death of mr. floyd on tv, so, you have to understand, most folks have never witnessed anything like that. and i still think it's about the conversation about how people experience policing. and what they think police should be doing. so, i think there's different ways to look at it.
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but i think what i think, i take from it is the fact that they are disturbed by the outcomes of policing. >> i don't know, doctor if you could hear our conversation with the minneapolis city council representative, but i would love to hear your thoughts on what we heard. >> i will tell you, i heard it, minneapolis will be the first, and there will be more behind them. you raised question, it's a larger debate about the changes that have happened through reforms. and so, there's a lot of of unanswered questions in this space. one thing we do know and the one thing i do agree with, this work, what ever it looks like on the other side of here, cannot be done unless community is centered here. and i think the other issue that we certainly are going to have to grapple with, is what you brought up, the fact that you have thousands of police
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officers, throughout the country who do the right thing on a daily basis. so we know it's sends a message to them in ways that it may not be intended. but it also raises the issue of whether or not officers truly understand what is going on in the moment. so, i think that there's lots of things that are unknown for us in the space. but one thing that i mentioned in my washington post op ed is policing will be changed after this. >> also joining us is paul henderson, a veteran prosecutor and legal analyst. paul, good evening. >> yeah, thanks for having me. >> you know, paul the trump administration has stead fastly called for a strong presence to put down violence on the streets. here is what attorney general william bar said in an interview that aired this morning. >> and you believed that what the, our police did, using tear
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gas, and projectiles was appropriate? >> here's what the media is missing. the it was not an operation to respond to that particular crowd. it was an operation to move the perimeter one block. >> and the methods they used, you think were appropriate? >> when they met resistance, yes. they announced three times, they didn't move, by the way, there was no tear gas usedment the tear gas was used sunday, when they had to clear 8th straight to allow the fire department to come in and save saint jon's church, that is when tear gas used. >> there were chem kical irritants. >> pepper spray is not a chemical irritants. >> pepper balls. >> that is a bit of hair splitting, pepper spray or oc spray has chemicals in it, they are naturally occurring but they are still chemicals and they are still designed to cause a chemical reaction. so, the attorney general is splitting hairs there. but setting that aside, paul, how much impact does the
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rhetoric have? it seems like some cities and states, including minneapolis, are backing off from those kind of tactics. at least in part. >> they are backing off from those tactics, but at this moment in time, it feels like, too little, too late and so, when you hear words like that, and when you hear comments like that, it's what is leading us to this cross-roads that we are at right now, where we are having the conversation. where we are reevaluating policing in the country. too long has it been a flash point that comes up again and again. about problems throughout the nation. for the first time, i think, we are approaching this as communities of color. and broader communities, asking and approaching what are some of the s like police budgets and how do we tie our money to what we want to
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have happen. we have to stop police agencies from doing what we don't want them to do. as much as we demand for them to do what we want them to do. now, we are approaching that and many, many different new ways with very specific demands beyond just we want justice. beyond just, we want parity and equality. we want an expansion with specific policies and an expansion and policy so that the tax dollars being spent is enumerated that the expenses we are having, especially right now, with covid and the economy, everyone is demanding that if we are going to continue, issuing our tax dollars for public safety, we want a seat at the table to demand from the tax dollars are being used for and where they are going to go. we have not heard police departments say, oh, this budget is so tight, we cannot afford more bullets.
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we cannot afford more riot equipment, we are hearing from health care workers we cannot afford ppe now is the time to raise the issues and address what ours are -- what our dolle going to go for and i has to be with a lot of the initiatives and best practices that we don't have to invent. we know that the best practices for this kind of oversight is having civilian oversight agencies. we are going to have to demand more of those throughout the country. we have to demand specifically, that we have use of force. and so, those conversations are taking place now and i'm excited that they are happening here in the country. >> paul henderson and dr. tracy keeze, thank you for being flexible with us and thanks for making time for us tonight. we have been following the protests across the country and the protests will have to wait on parts of the gulf coast. hurricane season started early, and tropical storm cristobal made land fall in louisiana tonight, we will have the latest, coming up.
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the national hurricane center predicted an above normal hurricane season, this was the first official week of the season and we are already on the third named system. tropical storm cristobal, it made land fall in southeast louisiana with maximum sustained winds of nearly 50 miles an hour. a tropical storm warning is in affect for lake pontchartrain, the same lake whose levy broke during hurricane katrina. as we said, this is the 15th year anniversary of katrina. there's been protests and cristobal is on the way. how are people holding up? >> reporter: there's so much going on, this is a reminder to folks along the gulf coast and anybody living in a hurricane zone, that there are hurricanes likely through as you mentioned, as many as 19 named storms predicted for this season. most people's minds have been
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on, i'm wearing this mask, on the pandemic, you have the protests. much of the city here. might have had a protest today had the city not asked people to police rest from protesting because of the weather. and then of course, you had the economy across the nation. so, what this did was it reminded people that mother nature is not paying attention to any of that. along lake pontchartrain on the lake front, the water came over the sea wall and splash md ain flooded the streets. it did not go over the levy, the levy is to protect the homes but as you go south to grand isle, they were surprised. they had a mandatory eevacuation to get the people, the tourists out. but the people that lived there remained and the water essentially washed over most of the island there. it is now reseeding. and remember, it's a tropical storm. people did not expect it to be quite like that. and the storm extended here all
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new york may be the city that never sleeps but for the last few days, we have been on a curfew, tonight, that is over. protesters are gathered earlier for the 11th night in a row, this time, without an 8:00 p.m. curfew. new yorkers got a taste of how the city may reform law enforcement today. mayor bill de blasio talked about cutting the nypd's budget. >> we are going to go in to cutting the budget. i want to make a statement in principal. based on the suggestions of the cau caucus and the work of the task force, we will be moving funding from the nypd to youth initiatives and social services. >> their budget is $89 billion. more than $5 billion is set aside for the nypd, mayor de blasio did not specify how much of that would be reallocated,
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the budget deadline is july 1st. last week, de blasio was under fire for the handles of the protests. jermaine williams was among the critics. >> you can no longer hide behind your black wife and children. not anymore. you are exposed now. we are in a time when we need your leadership and it is not there. >> public advocate jermaine williams investigates complaints from citizens and he is joins us now, mr. williams, good evening. >> good evening, how are you? >> i'm good, talk to me about marching with the protesters this week. you look like you are out and about right now, as a matter of fact. >> yeah, i am, i apologize. i just jumped in. there was protesters in a tense moment with officers on the foot of the manhattan bridge. so, we were trying to work it out and i will jump back out, right when we speak. you know, the mayor has handled
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this pretty bad from the beginning. i think there's a turning point now, but the city really needed the leadership and we didn't get it. you know, i'm happy that he put out some ideas, but right now, as we speak, they are pretty soft. and after ten days of protests, you expect something harder. you know, i guess i'm thankful that at least he is speaking about it. because up until this point, the only response has been more police, and a curfew. >> forgive me, by the way, jumani, i miss pronounced that. mayor de blasio called for reform. >> it takes in new york city, too long for there to be accountability for officers who do the wrong thing. that is something that we can and must change. it's a tradition that must change. you are starting to see that change. it is not enough yet. i want to be clear. >> what's the number one change that you would like to see in
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the nypd, either long-term or short-term. what is the very top of your list? >> well, right now, if he wanted to, he could address the officers that are still on the force who helped kill eric garner. a lot of people think the case is over, and it's not. officers lied about what happened, and that can happen right now. so, we do want to see the changes that we want to see them. and i talked about city council about putting together a new division. and putting together a task to deal with discipline. we need to see him support those things. and we need to see him say, the mayor in new york city should no longer be able to hire a commissioner without advice of the city council. we need to say that we are changing what public safety means. that does not mean coming in and saying we will shift funding. he should listen to the demands and saying we are going to take $1 billion from the city budget,
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from the nypd and back the things we are trying cut. he needs to support the people of 50-a and join with the other parts of the country and not shield the discipline records of the officers so we can help with the discipline. we have to be bold right now. we are not going to go for the low hanging fruit. we are not going to protest for ten days to get low hanging fruit. >> yeah. >> things that should have been done a long time ago. especially with a mayor who -- >> before i let you go, i have to ask you about the clip you played of the criticism earlier. he cannot hide behind his black wife and children, you really ripped in to him. do you actually believe he is using his multi-racial family for street cred to make himself seem for woke than he really is? >> you know something? at a point of anger, i spent two or three days of the mayor telling me the top ranking black elected official in new york city, that i was not experiencing what i was experiencing.
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and that's what we have been hearing for a long time. so, if i had to do it again, i think i should have rephrased it and what i would have said, is that the mayor has and does, and not in just that incident, but others has used his proximity to blackness to move forward without bringing the reforms that are needed. so, i would have rephrased that. >> understood. i appreciate the revision and i appreciate you making time for us. jumani williams is the public advocate in the city of new york. mr. williams, thanks very much. >> thank you. >> so, how might the energy from the protests across the country turn in to social and legislative change. that is next.su baru, subaru. and right now, love is more important than ever. in response to covid-19, subaru and our retailers are donating fifty million meals to feeding america, to help feed those who now need our help. its all part of our commitment to our communities through subaru loves to help.
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run for office as a state representative. he wrote that we seem to be in his view, worse off now than we were when dylan roof opened fire on a prayer group that welcomed him in. ja moore joins us now, good evening mr. moore. >> good evening, how are you doing, josh, it's good to see you again. >> good to see you too. >> we are worse off now? why is that? >> well, look, i'm reminded of the african proverb and it talks about the leopard, the big cat in the junk he will, -- in the skin of the leopard is beautiful but the skin of the leopard is evil. too often when we have racially motivated tragedies and shootings that are racially motivated or have bias, too
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often we do something like the mother may tragedy, after the assassination and murder of nine beautiful souls. we have a flag come down from the state house and that was it. and no substantive change happened after that. no economic opportunity for people of color. no opportunities as it relates to benefit policing or cultural changes. we took our flag. and that is just not enough, and i think this time we must demand more from, from our systems and our government. >> how are the demonstrations in the charleston area going right now? do people seem hopeful? cynical, worried, angry, all of the above? >> i think it's all of the above. i mean, what i'm so excited about is that we have a knew generation of motivated leaders who care about making substantive change. ly give an example, i had a
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conversation with one of the leaders of the black lives matter charleston movement, his name was marcus. and marcus was a commodities trader up to a few days ago when he told the company, listen, i need to get more involved and i need to organize and see this through and he literally resigned from his job to make this his purpose in life. you know, we have young people like jacob gamble who is a part of 19, doing an incredible job, of this uniting young people. so, we just have, i'm hopeful, but you know, this, i have been here before. so, you know, a part of me is cynical, part of me not sure what is going to come of it. but i'm always reminded and up lifted from young people like jacob and marcus. >> looking at protest images from los angeles, one of the cities on the west coast where there's been protests pretty much throughout the weekend. a lot of people there making
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precise demands of what they want to see. you have come up with a plan that you refer to as the more justice agenda. what is the key piece of the plan. is there an item that is the corner stone of it? >> well, i think the key piece is actually all of it. right? because, i think it's important in this, and they really have more justice, we have to demilitarize the police force, the police should not look like an army. right now, we have that, so we need to dismount the 10-33 program, another big part of it is citizen review boards need to be independent of the departments that they represent. so, it should not be the mayors of cities appointing the city review boards. we also need to talk about, we need police to represent the people racially, cultural, that they are policing. we need to encourage and put in
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incentives for communities. we need police officers, here in south carolina for example, most only have the initial training of like ten weeks. and that's just unacceptable. we need at least a year, two year course for police officers. because, lawyers are seven years if you count under graduate to be a lawyer, and police officers can be on the street with the responsibility of protecting the life of me, my daughter, and my entire family? it's unaccept able and we must have a more just criminal justice system. >> briefly before we let you go. i don't know if you can see it on the other side of the screen we are looking at the protests in los angeles and they were having a bit of a dance party in the middle of the street. they are literally break dancing in the middle of hollywood boulevard right now, the tone of the protest feels very, very different than any protest about
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police brutality than before. what is the main thing that you want america to do. briefly before i let you go, to make sure that we are not having the conversation again a few years from now, before i let you go. >> i want people to realize that right now, we are in the valley. but the mountain is right in front of us. and, and like i was saying earlier, with that, african proverb, we cannot allow things that look beautiful like break dancing for example their los angeles stray us away from substantive meaningful change. we have to change the heart and minds of systems. that were designed and created to marginalize people. >> right. >> so, as long as we do that. this will be difficult, we have to demand it and we cannot allow beautiful things to get us distracted from that. >> south carolina state
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representative ja moore, thank you for having time for us. >> thank you so much, good to see you again. >> our final hour comes from prince, the pop music legend would have turned 62 today. prince frequently performed on his birth day, this year, his estate gave us a different kind of present from him. it's an unpublished handwritten note from his archives and it reads quote, nothing more ugly in the whole wide world than intolerance between black, white, red, yellow, boy, or girl. intolerance, unquote. thank you for making time for us on msnbc, i look forward to seeing you again, but until then, stay safe, stay sharp, we will get through this. good night.
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