in america's streets, anger and solidarity a cry for justice. >> what are we supposed to do? >> in the the death of george floyd, remember today in minneapolis. emotional tributes. >> do not cooperate with people. protest against evil. >> a country under siege. facing protests and political division along with a deadly

pandemic, a an economic crisis and a deep uncertainty. this is ab nbc news special report. "america in crisis." good evening, everyone. i'm lester holt in minneapolis. ten days ago joshlg floyd was known only to his family and friends. today he was mourn ed and celebrated here in a nationally televised memorial service and the remembrance continues tonight at the intersection not far from here where he died. his name is now known around the world. the littest in a long list of african-american men who have is fallen victim to police brutality. but also now a rallying cry for change and for justice. his death triggered a national outpouring of grief and anger and a growing resolve as trajs like this ever happen again. tonight, peaceful protests continue across the country. even around the world as many call for change.

it all comes a the a pair louse moment for this country. we have seen racial injustice before. just as we have seen mass unemployment, civil unrest and divisive politics before. but in 2020 we're seeing all of it all at once coming at us. we're in uncharted territory. tonight we'll look at how we got here and what's at stake and we'll meet some of the people who are make iing a difference. we have our coverage team standing by across the country to report on where things stand right now. but we begin with a look at what has been an extraordinary day in this country. "america in crisis." for ten days protesters have stood shoulder to shoulder to raise their voices to say no more. >> i won't be satisfied until i can wake up and have kids and have them not fear their lives just for being black.

>> they have been marching in the name of george floyd whose shocked death sparked a protest. but today the focus returned to minneapolis as floyd was eulogi eulogized as a stirring memorial service. al sharpton gave the eulogy and a rallying tcry for change. >> this is the time. we won't stop. we will wekeech going. >> floyd's family stood together, remembering him as a little boy. >> played video games together, go outside and play catch with the football. >> who grew into a loyal and loving man. >> he was there for his family and friends. and then the congregation observed 8 minutes and 46 seconds of silence. the time george floyd was under the knee of a police officer. later floyd's family visited the scene where he died.

the somber moment comes on the heels of a new charge against the officer who now faces second-degree murder. and even as george floyd was memorialized, three other former officers involved appeared in a minneapolis court today on charges of aiding and abetting the murder. news of the expanded charges received by many on the streets. a stark contrast todays ago when looters took advantage of the moment to create utter chaos. president trump respond ed ed t that chaos monday with a warning. >> if the city or state refuses to take the actions necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then i will sde ploy the united states military and quickly solve the problem for them. >> even as he spoke, soldiers and police using flsh bangs a

flash bangs, a peaceful protest outside the white house to make way for a presidential photo opt. the tactic sparked widespread outrage including from a former member of the president's inner circle. yesterday former defense s secretary james mattis wrote in a statement that president trump is, quote, the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the american people-does not even pretend to try. instead, he tries to divide us. and current defense secretary gave a press conference seeming to reject the president's call for putting u.s. troops on american the streets. >> the option to use active duty forces should only be used as a matter of last resort and only in the most urgent and fidire o situations. we are not in one of those swigss now. >> against the backdrop of the ongoing pandemic, america has felt at time this is week to be on the edge of a crisis unlike anything seen since the summer

of 1968. but in the last two days, the country seemed to step back from the brink. last night and today protesters were every bit as passionate, but mostly peaceful. from washington, d.c. -- >> i'm here because i want people to look up to the right thing. >> reporter: to california. but in an election year n a country as divided as ever, it seems clear that the killing of george floyd will remain a flash point for a very long time. the protesters here and a across the country have been united in their call for change and determined not to stop until change is achieved. former president obama and his first public comments on george floyd's death called for that change to start at the local level. atlanta mayor took up the challenge announcing she's establishing a commission to look at the use of force by police in her city. she joins us now along with

houston chief of police. thank you both for being here. mayor, if i could start with you. people hear commission and think many months will go by and nothing is adopted. what can you assure the people in your city that this will have a meaningful outcome and will produce something? >> first of all, thank you for having me. on this commission, it will give me recommendations in the next 14 days, preliminary recommendations and then take a deeper dive and receive community input with a final report coming in 45 days. i think that's important because, like so many of us across the country, recognize we lost the luxury of time. people want to see action. they want to see it now. and i want so grateful to president obama who presenting to many of us a challenge and framework for us to work within to show people that we're

serious a about making a difference with policing in our communities. >> chief, you have talked strongly about reform. you have gotten a lot of attention for walking with the protesters. can you tell us what other departments should take away from houston? >> i think that one of the most important things is being here in the diverse city in the country, you have to set the right tone in terms of your own city. it starts with our mayor. he announced his own commission on these issues. and then you have to be reflective. we have to be a department that bulds relationships every day. when you have a minority majority city served by a home grown minority majority department, that's half the battle. the other half is holding people accountable. so the work never ends, but we have to have up front. you can't do appearances on tv.

you have to be on the streets with your men and women and with the community. >> what about being more transparent with the community? there have been a number of police-involved shootings in your city this year and body cam video has not been released. you said some would be released. why not be more transparent? >> we completely are committed to transparency. but this jury pool here in houston would be the most diverse jury pool in the country. and one of the first laps in the face of the community and other communities is when an officer is indicted. and then a second slap in the face would be when they are indicted, tried and acquittal. we have to be careful. we have to weigh the pretrial publicity that comes with rereleasing all videos. we normally would prefer to wait for the jury process to end because we don't want a change

of face. it takes it away from houston, texas, the great melting pot and maybe to east texas or west texas that may not be refliktive of our community. so we need to have a national standard for some of the more critical policiepolicies. >> may your, your city took swift action against police officers involving in bringing some folks out of a car. it happened very quickly. is that the new standard? will you move more quickly in these sorts of circumstances? >> lester, obviously, the past few days in our country have been like none that i have experienced in my lifetime. so everything is different right now. we have videotape. we were able to pull the body cam and med a decision to terminate the officers, two of the officers immediately. and taking an additional look a

at what happened with the other officers. but it's important this people know we're serious about policy changes. and the reality is we have so many men and women who are working so very hard doing the right thing. in these officers even had stellar reputation. but certainly, the tolerance level for our communities, as it should, and that's what you saw with the action we have taken in atlanta. >> you wrote an op-ed in the "new york times" a few days ago that caught a lot of attention. police report to me, but i knew i couldn't protect my son. what made you write that a at this point in time? what was your plesage? >> like so many people across this country, i have had so many emotions about what i saw with george floyd. and i did something that i rarely do. i i actually put pen to paper.

and it was really an opportunity for me to be able to articulate what i know so many people feel. so as leaders, we feel responsible for our communities. we feel the obligation to offer solution. but we're mothers and we're fathers. we're brothers and we're sisters and we're worried a about our children in the same way that everybody else is in america whose concerns are their children may be unfairly targeted or mistreated. and i was just grateful for the opportunity to be able to express that. >> i want to thank you both for being with us this evening. it's an important discussion and we'll continue to have it. thank you for being here. >> thank you. in this moment, we're reminded of how powerful our voices can be in this democracy. freedom of speech, freedom to peacefully assemble, these

rights have been essential for two centuries. we have been seeing them in action across the country the days since george floyd's death. blayne alexander has been listening to the the voices that have been raised in protest. good evening. >> reporter: lester, good evening to ewe. night after night, we watched hundreds and thousands of people fill this area of downtown atlanta. we're pst curfew, but the national guard remains. i have spoken with dozens of who testers who say this is not the first time they have pushed for reform. and that is why they have had enough. these are the faces of america. black, brown and white. their voices, raw with pain. >> nothing has changed. are we supposed to do? >> that could be my father or my brother or me. it's happened too many times. >> i'm here because if white

people don't speak up is and stand in these lines, nothing will change. >> reporter: all demanding at this time be the last time they have to take a stand. that america's police treat black people with humanity and dignity. >> we need to be able to walk around these same streets that everybody else can and not feel like get iting pull over. >> reporter: black americans die at the hands of police and more than double the rate of white americans. campaign zero, a group pushing for police reform, has tracked every instance of police violence since 2015. >> what changes can be made to stop this? >> today in cities, mayors can change policies. they can say they are going to require to exhaust all alternatives before using deadly force. they are going to ban choke holds. >> reporter: campaign zero says with 18,000 police departments across the country, there has to

be a national standard around use of force. keith med foe does spent is much of his life in law enforcement. on the street for 30 years and now chief in virgingeorgia. >> you have been talking to protesters. what have they been saying to you? >> they are frustrated because they are not seeing the change. >> reporter: like accountability, the bureau says 7% of all reported cases of excessive use of force result in an officer being held accountable. there have been significant police reforms over the last 30 years, especially in big departments. more diversity and training, but -- >> if we don't have the compassion for a person, to have their knee on their neck and beg thanksgiving can't breathe, i don't think any amount of training will change that police officer. >> reporter: chief meadows said to address that problem, they have to take a closer look at who they are hiring in the first place. departments across america says

there should be stronger screenings when it comes to law enforcement recruitment to make sure they are getting the right people on the force. >> all right, blayne alexander, thank you. brian stevens is the founder of the equal justice initiative and has been a tireless advocate for minorities and the poor in criminal justice systems. he spoke with me a short time ago about how george floyd's death at the hands of police really hits close to him. brian, there's an understandable desire to do something to make reforms happen right now. are we lock iing at this throug the proper lens? >> yeah, i think this is a bigger story here. this is not just about police misconduct. this is not just about needing to change the culture of policing and the train iing and the accountability. i think it's a bigger story about this whole history of racial inequality. a lot of what you're seeing on the streets is frustration,

anger and exhaustion with the plight of african-americans in this country. i'm a product of brown v. board of education. i grew up in a time when black kids had to start their education in colored schools and then the lurs came in and opened up those schools. i was told if i worked hard and studied and did well, i would get to the point i would be treated equally and fairly and justly. i did all of those things. i went to high school i went to college and got admitted to harvard law school. i was sitting in my car one night and police pulled up and pulled me out of the car. pointed a gun at my head and threatened to blow my brains out because someone said there's a black man sitting in his car in front of my apartment. i was on the street for 20 minutes navigating this event b where i had to get the officers to remain calm. it's okay. it's all right. the burden of those kind of

encounters accumlit and happens to black people every day. i woke up the next morning worried about what my 16-year-old self-would have done had that same thing taking police. if i was 16 when those officers pulled their gun and threatened to shoot me, i might have run and done something that cost me my life. i went around trying to get young kids prepared for these moments. when you live day-to-day with this presumption of dangerousness and guilt, i still have to navigate these presumptions. i go into courtrooms where judges will sometimes say, get out because they think i'm the defendant. i think what we're seeing this in country is a collective expression of our fatigue of having to be marginalized. i think we have to deal with the policing crisis. us we also have to deal with a larger question of our count history of racial injustice. >> you have talked in the past, we have talked about a notion that police were an instrument of lynching. you can see why someone might

make that connection. but today's police force still bare that stain? >> it does. we have never acknowledged the identity of police throughout our history. it began even before the lynchinger are ra. even before the civil war. free black people in the north had to worry about the police because congress passed a fugitive slave act in 1850, which empowered police officers to catch slaves and harass free black people in the north and west and make them prove they were emancipated. so before the civil war in the free states, that was created. after the civil war, we had this collapse of reconstruction. law enforcement allowed white mobs to come into communities and take over these positions that black people held and subject black people to a century of terror and violence. it was the police that stood back and let the mobs pull people out of jails and watch them lynched on the courthouse

lawn. in the 1950s when non-violent black people put on their sunday best to protest against segregation and disenfranchisement, it was the police who battered and bloodied and beat them while they were on their knees praying in protest. so that identity is not something you can just ignore. so in the '60s when we had uprisings buzz of police harassment, there's never been a reckoning with that identity, which is why, i believe, that truth and justice has to be part of what we need to see. every police department in this country has a story, a confession to make about the multiple times they have acted in a racially unjust way. if they committed to that truth telling and gave community members an opportunity to tell their stories, to hear from them, you'd begin to see happen you have never seen in this

country when it comes to overcoming this legacy of police brutality. >> we have seen gestures by police chiefs and officers kneeling with protesters. but does that go far enough? does it come close to the a apology you have talked about before that is due african-americans over the legacy of slavery? >> i think it's a gesture that suggests possibility, but more is required. it needs to happen from police chiefs and shfs. it needs to happen community wide. i mean, first of all, we have to do some other things besides that. we have to change the culture of policing create a police force that doesn't think of themselves as sol engineers or military or guardians. once we get past that, it needs to be more formal. we need to create more trust. those gestures, i think, signify a desire by law enforcement officers to be trusted.

to be in community with people of color and places where they serve. we created all these structural barriers, which is why the structures have to change. i'm encouraged when i see those gestures, but this has to be department wide. it starts with mayors. it starts with governors. it starts with the federal government reenforcing the importance of these gestures. we do these markers at lynching sites. we ask police chiefs to show up wearing their uniforms. we ask them to say i'm sorry the people wearing this uniform failed to protect you. then we ask them to say, i'm sorry, but i'm now wearing the uniform and i want you to know i'm going to protect you i'm going to be committed to you. it doesn't cost money. it doesn't take time. yet most won't do it. that has to change if we're going to create the trust and healing that our country desperately needs. >> tell me about the hard work that lie ace head.

what's once the marching and protest is over, what has to happen? >> we have been here before. five years ago it was a member of president obama's task force on policing and around the country accumulated testimony from police officers, academics and exerts. we have 40 pages of recommendations that have been not been implemented. the good news is we know what to do. the tricky thing is we haven't done it yet. that's going to be the hard work. we're going to have to pass law to mandate data collection and conduct by police officers. 18,000 police departments in this country, no one can tell you how often police officers kill someone, shoot someone. that has to change. we are going to have to train differently. we can't train police officers to mostly know how to shoot or fight if we expect them to work peacefully in communities with people who are mentally ill, dealing with all kinds of

challenges. we are going to have to create a different accountability structure. it's too hard to phold officers accountable. you wouldn't need to do a whole lot to prove the illegality of that. qualified immunity that we encouraged police officers to shoot first and think later. that has to change. and so it will be hard, but i think this is a powerful moment. i think there's an urgency created by this dramatic protest that will move us, hopefully, to a different police. place. >> always good to talk to you. you're an important part of the conversation. thank you for being with us. >> glad to be with you. we have a lot more to get to tonight when we continue. craig melvin takes a personal look at some of the the landmark events that have brought us to this moment and we'll hear from one of the leading african-american voices in the

country today. popular rid owe host and from activist, sterling k. brown talking about how he has worked for change. that and much more, when we continue in just a moment you doing okay?

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. it's sad. there needs to be a change. and i'm happy that people are coming together to protest against this. >> that's you things look to a 13-year-old who spoke with us in atlanta. that city like this one and so many across the country has born the weight of racial injustice and tragedy over the years. craig melvin joins us now with some perspective of how we have arrived a at this moment. craig?

>> hey, lester. this is really the most recent chapter in an american tragedy. but these kinds of stories where someone who looks like us is dying in police custody. they are personal. there but for the grace of god, we have been here before. almost too many times to remember. >> hands up, don't shoot, they cry. we have come to the point in america where an act of vender is a an a act of protest. you'll see "i can't breathe" on signs and shirts. a bitter echo from 2014 at the death of eric gardner. outrage continues to grow in new york city.

>> when you're a journalist get the facts straight is essential. but i also can't avoid the fact that i'm a black man. when i go to cover a tragedy like this, when i wade through a crowd looking for answers, perhaps i see things differently than some of my colleagues. >> four white officers beating black man. >> i was 12 years old and saw that video of the rodney king beating. it changed my perception of the police. i thought they were the good skies. he was shot in the fwhak 2015 by a police officer following a a routine traffic stop. if not for visdeo, who knows if the falsified police report would have ever been questioned. the prior summer, the death of michael brown shot by a police officer sparked outrage in ferguson, missouri. in that case, there was no video, but there was an already

uneasy relationship between the black community and police. for days there would be no justice, no peace. but even when the unrest unstops, there was the search for accountability. folks were demanding justice in the death of freddie gray. he died of injuries suffered in the black of a police van. and the crowd that day, mothers who lost children. their slos is no, less painful. who is there to protect our children, all of our children, if not the police? i got a better understanding of their perspective during a ride along with a cleveland police officer. >> this is the least safe i have

felt in my life as far as just being a target. just because of the badge. >> reporter: beneath the badge and uniform is a person flawed, sometimes fearful like the rest of us. knowing this, how do we break the cycle of violence and mistrust? how do we see each other as we really are? where do with egofrom here? so many questions perhaps this time this death leads to answers. answers, the problems have been well documented. but what about the solutions? that's where i started our conversation earlier this evening with best-selling author and host of a wildly popular radio show. >> this moment that we're in, days of protests in every state in this country in the wake of george floyd's death.

how does this moment become a movement? how do we get there? >> i think it's a movement now. i think it's a movement because it's divine. i feel like god has given america the chance to do the right thing. everything that's happening right now is a reminder to america and the world to do right by black people. there's no good that's going to come to america until they do right by black people. it's time for america to atone with its original sin, which is slavery. that's only going to happen to legislation. that's why i think that this is happening in an election year. america has to make amends for the wrong that has done to blood count people in this country. it's not america can't handle the problem. pay attention to everything that's been happening in 2020. if you think this year has been hell us you ain't seen nothing yet if america opportunity awe tone for its sins of the past. >> you have talked about economic justice being a part of that. what does that look like beyond rep per rations?

>> you can't look like anything beyond money. i us think as long as we live under white supremacy. , the whole point of racism is for america to keep the knee on the neck of black folks. when you talk about racism, that's going to exist buzz you have individual who is are prejudice in power. racism is going to exist because you have certain policies and practices that run deep in this society. until you have more of us and these positions of or better yet more of us creating our own institutions until you have more black people getting rich and creating our own systems and tell you that white people want to use that privilege to combat prejudice and be intentional. things are thot going to change. financial freedom is our only hope. all that power will give us the resources we need to push these

white folks in this country to destroy the institution that is systemic racism. so that's exactly what i mean. sometimes economic justice man, some type of investment has to be made into the black community. >> one of the things this is really struck me over the past week or so is you look at the protests around america. and we have seen this before. something terrible happens and the marches and rallies and protests, but a lot of times in the past, it seems as if most of the folk there is lock like me, look like you. this time i have been blown away by the diversity of the demonstration, if you will. a lot of people marching and chanting. they don't look like us. it's not just young white people. it's older white people. it's the rainbow of america. what does that say to you? >> it says to me that you know people don't just love black culture, they love black people.

that's a white supremacist's worst nightmare to see young white kids out there screaming "black lives matter." protecting black men and women from the folds. that's successful a beautiful thing. because the reality of being a black person in america is the creed that america promises us. only apply to you when they want it to. we don't experience true freedom or equality or justice. that's not the way this white supremacist system has been did signed. it was built for people. you come from a disenfranchised area or a dirt road down south like i do, you never truly feel comfortable because you have been able to drive in is still the majority of black people's hel lrl. so for oh people to say that and say, this is the reason they

scream black lives matter. i think that's a beautiful thing. that's game changing. that's what let's me know. >> i always enjoy your perspective. thank you for your insight tonight. >> appreciate b you, craig. >> lester, back to you. >> craig, thank you. when we come back, how do we solve a problem that's been hundreds of years in the making? $9.95 at my age? $9.95? no way. $9.95? that's impossible. hi, i'm jonathan, a manager here at colonial penn life insurance company,

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we were smarter than the underfunded schools you put us in, but you had your knee on our neck. we could run corporations and not hustle in the street, but you had your knee on our neck. we had creative skills. we could do whatever anybody else could do, but we couldn't get your knee off our neck. what happened to floyd happens every day in this country and

education and health services and in every area of american life. it's time for us to stand up in george's name and say get your knee off our necks. >> the reverend al sharpton in his eulogy earlier today. when it comes to finding the racial wounds, good intentions and soothing words are not enough. the problem runs so deep over many years. kate snow has taken a look at the challenge we all face. >> lester, one of the most no notable things a about all the many tempt stragss nationwide is you see a diversity in the crowds. protesters from so many backgrounds showing up to highlight injustices that have existed for a very long time. >> what we are doing is having

america be america for all americans. >> george floyd was the catalyst. those marched, those who kneeled, those who speak out are shining a harsh light on so much more systemic enduring disparities between white americans and those who are black and brown. single mom and her 7-year-old son live in woodbridge, virginia. >> how many fooims to we need to have a conversation a about joblessness and a lack of resources for african-americans? >> so many white americans have not thought about the black experience when it comes to education, housing or public health or health care. >> reporter: by every measure, black americans are left behind starting with income. the average white family has a net worth of $170,000. about ten times more than the typical black family. black workers consistently earn less than white workers and more

likely to work in the service industry. and while unemployment for african-americans was at an historic low before the pandemic, the job loss caused by covid-19 is sharper in the black community. >> the majority of white americans own a home, majority don't. four african-americans the actual value of their homes are undervalued by virtue of their being black is and occupying them. we are segregated today as we were in the 1960s. >> and so what does that mean concretely for an african-american child coming up into the public school system? >> it means that that child is coming up in a school that is overwhelmingly underresourced relative to a typical white school. >> majority white schools spend $733 than schools non-white. and when it comes to help, they are especially grave disparities. >> when african-americans don't

have employer subsidized health care, then they are a at a huge disadvantage when it comes to being able to afford preventive care. >> they are 72% more likely to have diabetes, to die from a stroke, three times more likely to die from asthma. and right now, nearly three times more likely to be hospital liesz liezed due to the coronavirus. >> i think she understands the history that has brought us to this point. >> reporter: jena simmons looks at all of it a as a teaching moment for her daughter. >> it doesn't matter when our skin looks like. we're all people. we all live in this world together. >> reporter: the experts we spoke with see hope amid-the distress. >> how do you begin to chip away at some of these inequities? >> it has to come with knowledge. it can't just be people marching. it has to be benefits they have to do the heavy lifting.

>> i have every reason to be optimistic with a the numbers of white protesters participating in dozens of cities today showing that their consciousness has been raised and i hope these protests are a reflection of a new coming. >> one of the things those experts told me is that it's time for white families to have a talk with their children about their privilege and the role they can play in helping create a more just society. lester? >> all right, kate snow, thank you. many thousands of people have turned out across the country to protest the death of george floyd are a reminder we all have voice which it comes to taking action against racial injustice. we have seen well-known americans using their fame as a platform to help call for change. one of them is actor sterling k. brown. i asked him earlier this evening why he's been moved to speak out. >> lester, first of all, thank

you for having me. i think that silence is accepting the status quo as if it's okay. it's not okay. we're in the midst of a pandemic where our health is being threatened. in the midst of that, three instances in a row black people have seen black bodies destroyed. in the case of ahmaud arbery and now mr. george floyd. and this is a pandemic of discrimination and police brutality this has been plaguing this country for far too long. i think people are fed up. they have had enough. and real change needs to be seen to know this country is for all of us. we all want to feel protected and serve d by the institution that is tasked with that quote. >> tell me when you saw the video of george floyd under that police officer's knee. i assume you felt what most

people felt. tell me what it made you want to do. what did it make you want to do? >> oh, man. i cried the same way in which i cried when i saw ahmaud arbery taken away. count leless others. but it also made me feel like i'm a citizen of these united states. there have been many times which i have been told in my capacity that why don't you just be quiet and act. you don't have to get political right now. why don't you just stick to your show. and a as a citizen who has a voice and who is fortunate enough to have a platform, i'm trying to find ways to utilize that platform to let the world at large know what is happening in this country cannot continue. something significant has to change or the unrest we're

experiencing right now will continue. >> you're also a father. you have two sons. how do you think society looks at your son? they don't know them. how do they see them? >> that's a great question. the dehumanization of the black bodies has been happening for a long time. an incident happened not too long ago. my son was playing in a soccer game. he's a hard player. he goez all out pit say you do your best. if you win or lose, hold your head up high. and the referee, who is a very nice woman, she pulled my son aside after he was making an aggressive play. not a dangerous play, but aggressive play. told him he was being watched and he should be careful before he hurts someone. and i found it interesting she said that. he wasn't the most aggressive

person on the field. and this is one of those instances of implicit bias we encounter time and time again where people say things that are hurtful and i don't think they are cognizant that they are doing it. i pulled her over after the game and i said, ma'am, did you call my son violent? she said, i did. i said, you have to be careful with language that you use with young brack children. he's a human being and if you refrained it, you would say it another way with another child. and he's crying on the bench right now because of that. i need you to apologize. and she did. she did and she was very sweet. but that sort of thing happens for young black children, black men and women, gay, straight, trans, all the time. just by the nature of the way we look.

>> i want to get your take on our priorities as a country right now. we're watching the street protests. we have also seen people take advantage of them, destroy property. that's become a concern. do you think we're focused properly on what's most important right now? >> i think you have to be -- what i'm encouraged by in the midst of all of it is a coalition of people coming together who are volt licalizin need for change. that has been my primary focus and the thing i'm heartened by. when i fehave friends speak to who are concerned about vandalism, i understand that. i have no desire to minimize a that. i also ask that they be equally even more so awe struck by the loss of life. it's not an excuse. i like a lot of vandalism happening is coming from outside

groups not protesting for black lives matter. but those people that are lo looting, i ask them to stop. please be on message because we want change. real lasting change. and i want outrage for the loss of life. that's how i feel. >> sterling, things move awfully quick. who would have known two weeks ago we would be talking about something other than covid. so knowing how fast life travels, are you worried as a country we don't have a stick to itness? >> that's always a concern. i'm hopeful that this isn't just a moment, but it's the beginning of a movement. >> when we come back, i'll pay a visit to what is now the most famous intersection of america and talk to people about the change they hope to see. i'll have some final thoughts,

in just a moment.

the tragedy of george floyd's death has lit a spark of hope this could be a dwaning moment in american life. an a awakening for the need to real lastic change. but hope is a fragile thing. the epicenter for this tragedy and for this hope lies two and is a half miles south of here in minneapolis at the intersection of east 38th street and chicago avenue where george floyd died last week. earlier today i paid a visit. along the street where george floyd was killed sits the intersection where pain and

bewilderment meet wary optimism that tings can change. >> you have faith and trust that this is going to bring about change soon? >> yeah, i think so. >> but others aren't so sure. >> where were you? >> i was home actually. >> reporter: activist candice montgomery has heard promises before. now she's among those here calling for a troefrl move. >> we need to move beyond police reform and transition away from our policing system right now and that is what justice will look like. >> when you say move away r you talking about abolished plis? >> i'm talking about abolishing police, transitions away from the minneapolis police department here locally and investing in community-led safety solutions. >> reporter: the shattered remnants of trust in promises of change now lay beneath bundles of flowers, posters, remembrances, a teachable moment many parents find they can't

ignore. >> that's a hard conversation to have with a 7-year-old. >> he knows what it's about. the general mihistory of the treatment of black people. and the history of our country. so i can separate. it's really sad this is our jumping off point for these hard topics, but i think it's really important. if we ignore it, nothing will change. we can't be part of that change. >> a unique community has come together on this street. people of many colors welcomed, fed and comforted. ewe neunited in the belief thise begins here. >> how do you move forward with people marching in the street, demanding change? what does change lock like and how long do you have to wait? >> i think as our governor spoke yesterday, the people's protests and movements around the

neighborhoods are what are going to make systemic change. our politicians can't ignore these voices. >> we have all just lived through an extraordinary ten days in the history of our country. it began with an explosion of shock and anger in the death of george floyd at the hands of police. a death captured on camera. we were all witnesses. but in the recent days across the country, that anger has seemed to grow into resolve, determination and common purpose. it's sad there's nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come, perhaps the time has come finally to fully realize the dream upon which this great country was founded, equal justice under the law. it's hard to talk about. it makes us uncomfortable, but george floyd died with a knee to his neck. african-americans have lived with a knee of injustice on their necks for a long time.

this moment as tragedy helps change that, george floyd will not have died in vein. i'm lester holt. from all of us a at nbc news, thank you for joining us tonight. good night. ♪ hey there. i'm josh ya johnson. good to be with you from nbc news headquarters in new york. the protests across the country are having an effect, as we saw this weekend in a number of ways. it's a welcome change to the chaos and fury, at the death of george floyd. things have been peaceful enough for mayor bill de blasio to end the city's curfew early. it has been less calm in london, where protesters clashed with

police. people west of london pulled down the statue of a slave trader. yesterday, they celebrated his life in his hometown of rayford, north carolina. a viewing was held before that service. there will be another viewing in houston. we expect that joe biden will head to houston tomorrow. the nominee plans to meet privately with mr. floyd's family. we begin tonight here in new york, where mayor bill de blasio lifted a curfew one night early. he has announced plans to redirect some funds away from the nypd. we go live, tonight, to brooklyn. how are folks reacting to decisions from the mayor? >> it seems like a sea change. there were thousands of folks.

from there, we went on to union square app w square. and we made our way to grand army plaza. the crowd has dispersed. you saw very little arrests from nypd. that's why mayor de blasio said no more curfew. when the curfew would come at 8:00 p.m., that's when you saw the conflict between the two. now, you see the crowd disper dispersing. throughout the day, it's been a message of unification. and mayor de blasio is putting some of the reforms in place. defunding the police department. moving money to youth problems. also, protesters wanting to

address systemic racism in this country. that's a big address, a big ask. they're going to come out for it. and people i spoke with today said they were going to march every day until they see systemic change in this country. >> thank you, yasmin. let's head to los angeles and check in with jacob soboroff. there had been a crowd protesting down hollywood boulevard earlier today. what is going on? what do you hear them talking about. >> josh, i'm not sure you can see us. there is so much bandwith that is -- we have a lot. a lot of people out here live streaming and stuff like that.

it's truly a sight to beheeld here in the city of los angeles. hollywood boulevard, for what must be miles is filled with people. protesting in support of black lives matter. this is an event from black lives matter. it has been up front in los angeles. but as well, as the rapper and the activist, y.g. and we heard speeches from them, at the beginning of this march from a similar refrain that we've been hearing all week long, defund the police and reinvest that money into other areas of civic life in los angeles. the think leaders will have to get to work.

that's not nearly enough for the movement and the people on the streets here. the truth of the matter is, we don't know what happens next. it's been a busy day for protests all over los angeles, including where jacob soboroff is looking for bandwith. george floyd was killed on memorial day. there's been a flood of emotions since then. we were feeling many of them before these months began. three months of coronavirus left millions of people without jobs and people of color suffering at an array of deep social ills, even deeper. what do we do now? let's discuss it with congressman anthony brown. he is an iraq war veteran and

retired colonel in the u.s. army reserve. congressman, good evening. >> yesterday was the 75th an ver anniversary of the d-day invasion. where does all of us lead us? >> you mentioned, i spent 30 years in uniform, with the united states army. five on active duty in touring iraq. i, like countless americans, raised our right hand and fight f for the ideals of what this country stands for. the freedom of religion,

protecting our government. to think that we would turn our military on protests is h abhorrent. it will cause damage to the military/civilian relationship. i think it will hurt the military reputation. and they will have difficulty recruiting people to serve. >> last week, house democrats introduced a bill that list tra transparen transparency. that includesing funding to fight police misconduct. there's talk about defunding police departments and replacing them with something new. are your colleagues in the house on the right track? or might they be thinking too small? >> i don't think we're thinking too small.

this is a culmination of years of effort. we put our heads together. this week, we roll out the justice and policing act of 2020. it does big, transformative things, holding police accountable in our courts. it will improve the transparency in policing. collecting better data. tracking rogue police officers so they can't move from one precinct or one department to another, to avoid detection. and then, very important, improving police training and practices. ending racial and religious profiling. banning no-knock warrants. and banning the choke hold and other restraints that have resulted in fatalities over the years in our country. this is not counter to defund the police. this is not about defunding police. it's about transforming police departments across the country, to protect and serve the

communities they are asked to protect and serve. not to assault and violate so many communities. we know this has been happening for decades, if not centuries. >> what would you like to see law enforcement agencies do in the short term to build more trust? is there one thing at the top of the list? >> sure, when you see police officers assaulting citizens. since the killing of mr. floyd in minneapolis, hold them accountable. you have to demonstrate that no police officer is above the law. you're not above the low. we will bring the low on you like we would anyone else.

she wrote that systemic change is necessary but insufficient for the deep-seeded racism. one passage from her op-ed reads, we encounter these responses even among decent people that don't want to react that way. the emotions can be overcome and often are, when people know one another as human beings, neighbors, friends, workers and teammates. what do you think the decent people, as the secretary puts it, should be doing right now. >> decent people should be speaking up. it shouldn't just be people of color. it should be these people, these decent white people speaking up. and so many have in this last

week. they have been over the years. we need everyone saying enough is enough. we will not longer tall rate racist conduct. enough is enough. i thought our country was making progress. i have been disenchanted for three years, particularly under this administration, where the president has unleashed hatred and unleashed racism. in many ways, encouraged it. it's time for people to speak out against president trump. to speak out against racism and hatred. to lock arms and stand shoulder-to-shoulder with all of us. diversity and inclusion, justice, along with freedoms and liberties for all. >> that's anthony brown of maryland. congressman, thanks for talking to us.

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now, to a developing story out of minneapolis, tonight. a majority of city council members said they were going to, in their waords, begin dismant e dismantling the police officer. good evening. >> good evening. >> who would replace the police officer? >> that's a good question. and we pledge to start this process. invite in every member of our community to imagine what public safety would look like, that keeps every member of our community safety. we have already done in a in minneapolis. we have community-based safety.

all the reasons that people call 911 and call for help. we have a lot of work ahead of us. >> what are some of your nonnegotiables, in terms of what this future department would need to look like. the last time we spoke, we spoke about affordable housing in minneapolis and making sure that diverse communities still have places to live in the city. can you commit that the new force reflects the diversity of minneapolis? >> absolutely. centering on the people that have been most impacted by community violence and police violent. we made a bold commitment.

but following through will need the voice of our community. they need to help us learn from the examples they already have. this will be a long road ahead. nine members of the minneapolis city council, stood to end policing as we know it. >> how about use of force? can you ensure residents that this will change? >> on friday, we were being investigated. we adopted a restraining order that puts into place restrict n restrictions on use of force. even in the short term, we're making changes. but the incremental steps are not enough. we made the reform.

we've done the incremental change, and it's not working. our community has asked us to really dig deep. >> what caused this wholesale change? why didn't have happen when castillo died. >> our community has been through so much police officer violence. and seeing the efforts at reform isn't working. we have a broad swath of our community speaking out. our former mayor to our police chief, and school word and park board, who have ended their relationships with the community department in the last couple of weeks. our family has had enough. the family of george floyd,

talking at the memorial, is very kaurful comes from a family. and it weighs all of us to know that our efforts so far haven't been enough. >> you are setting yourselves up for an epic battle with the police rank and file. and a pitched battle in court, maybe the union, who prevent from what is happening. to minneapolis police officers, who have done everything the city told them to do, and you to feel discarded and blamed for what they kid not do. everyone is making them tproxy for racism in the city. for those that say, thanks for nothing, what would you say to them? >> i would say our system is

entrenched in racial injustice. our police department, the officers feel that what happened to george floyd is unthinkable. their slovoices are important. and we need to work together to create a community safe for everyone. our community is beyond repair. to the extent that law enforcement is part of our future, we need the officers who are with us, who believe that what happened to george is unacceptable and to speak out. >> lisa bender, the president of the minneapolis city council. that's an area that is serious about improving quality of life. for people who live there, there's been progress made. we want to keep in touch as this moves forward. tomorrow, congressional democrats will unveil a bill.

but are americans more bothered by police tactics or the violence that's marred the protests. three out of five people say police behavior and the death of george floyd is bothering us more. joining us is a veteran of the denver police department. >> dwogood evening. >> what do you make of that poll? >> you make a lot of different polls, right? what folks may be reacting to is the death of mr. floyd on tv. you have to understand that most americans have not witnessed anything like that. and it's the conversation about policing and what policing

should be diastolic oing. i think they're disturbed by the outcomes of policing. >> i don't know if you could hear the conversation with lisa bender. i would love reactions to what you heard. >> i did. i heard it. and minneapolis is the first. i'm sure there's going to be many more cities behind minneapolis. you raised some interesting questions. and there's a larger debate about, not just dismantling police, but the changes through reforms. there's a lot of unanswered questions in this case. this work, cannot be done here. and we have to grapple with the fact that you have thousands of police officers throughout the

country who do if rigthe right . it sends a message to them, and gathers information that officers understand in this moment. one thing i mentioned in my "washington post" op-eop-ed, ist policing will be changed. >> let's add one more voice to our conversation. joining us is paul anderson, a prosecutor and legal analyst. >> thanksz for having me. the trump administration has called for a strong presence on the streets. here's what william barr said in an interview that aired this morning. >> you believe, that what police did, uses teargas and project e

projectiles is appropriate? >> this was an operation the move the perimeter one block. >> and the methods they used was appropriate? >> when they faced resistance, yes. there was no teargas used. teargas was used sunday, when they had to have the fire department come in. >> there were chemical irritants. pepper spray is not a chemical. >> you're saying that's used? >> that's a bit of hair-splitting. pr pepper spray has a km in it how

much does that have in a real sense? it seems like some states are backing off from the tactics. >> at this moment in time, it feels like too little, too late. when you hear words like that and comments like that, it's leading us to the cross roads. too long has it been a flashpoint that comes up again and again, about problems throughout this nation. we're approaching this as communities of color. what are the police budgets? and are we tying our voices to what we want to have happen?

we want to stop police and law enforcement agencies that don't want them to do. as much as we demand to do what we want them to do. for now, we're approaching that, in new ways. beyond, we want parity and equality. we want expansion with trafk policies. the tax dollars are being enumerated to make sure that the expenses that we are having, with covid and the economy, everyone is demanding, if we are going to continue issuing our tax colldollars, we want to kno what they are going to be used for. we never heard police saying, can budget is tight, we can't

afford bullets or rye et equipment. we have to be discussing what it goes for. and it exists in some of the best practices that we have to invite. we're going to have to demand more of those throughout this country. we have to demand that we have use of force. those conversations are taking place. i'm excited they're havi e ed tn this country. we've been following the protests. but hurricane season started early. cristobal made landfall tonight. we'll have the latest coming up.

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we're looking at the hurricane season. we're on our third named system. cristobal made landfall with winds of nearly 50 miles per hour. a watch is in the area of lake pontchartrain, the same lake whose levee broke during hurricane katrina. cristobal has been on the way. there's been protests going on. how are people holding up tonight? >> there is so much going on, that it reminds people that there are hurricanes, likely through, as many as you mexe e mentioned, 19 named storms. most people's minds have been on

wearing this mask, the pandemic, the protests in the city here. might have had a protest, had the city ask people to rest from protesting. and the economy across the nation. this reminded people that mother nature isn't paying attention to any of that. it did not go over the levee. that levee is built there to protect the homes. if you go south to grand isle, the mayor there was surprised. they had a mandatory ev evacuations, to get visitors out, the tourists. the people that lived there, remained, and the water washed over most of the island there. it is receding. this is a tropical stovrm. and the storm extended all the way to the east.

hitting from tampa bay, all the way through the gulf coast and florida. and a tornado, that started out as a waterspout, made its way on to land. that upended roofs, damaged power lines. 50 people were displaced. fortunately no one was injured by this. it's a wake-up call. we're in hurricane season. and remember, this year, will be different for everybody who may have to evacuate because of this. because of the pandemic. in florida, they've worked out that some shelters, while open, instead of having everybody in the high school auditorium, we'll put a few people in one classroom and a few people in another classroom. they will say, don't come to the ev evacuation center. ultimately, if you have

coronavirus, you will go to a covid-19 shelter. all of this is complicated. >> the hurricane center is expecting 13 named storms. you and i covering a few of them. thank you, kerry. that is kerry sanders live in new orleans. we'll come back to new york and see how this city's police department might change, just ahead.

new york may be the city that never sleeps. but for the last few days, we've been on a curfew. protesters gathered for the 11th night in a row, this time without a curfew. mayor bill de blasio announced his plan to cut the nypd lugbud. >> we're about to go into a budget decision the next few weeks. based on the suggestions of the caucus, we will be moving funding from the nypd, to youth initiatives and social services. >> new york's upcoming budget is about $89 billion. $5 billion is set aside for the nypd. mayor de blasio did not specify

how much of that would be reallocated. last week, he came under fire for the handling of the protests. jermaine williams was among the critics. >> you can no longer hide behind your black wife and children. not anymore. you're exposed now. we are the time when we fleed your leadership and it is not there. >> he investigates complaints from citizens and joins us now. good evening. >> good morning. >> talk to me about the protests. looks like you're out and about. >> i'm jumping in. when we speak. you know, the mayor has handled

this pretty bad from the beginning. i think there's a turning point now. i'm happy he put out some ideas as they speak. but they're pretty soft. after ten days of protests, you would expect something harder. i'm thankful he is speaking about it. the only response has been the curfew. >> i miss pronounced your first name. i'm sorry about that. and mayor de blasio called for reform. here's his press conference. >> it takes in new york city too long for there to be accountability for officers who do the wrong thing. that's something that must change.

>> what's the long-term change? top of your list? >> right now, he could address the officers on the force that dealt with eric garn earp. we want to see the changes. on the city council. putting a matrix out with discipline. we need him to say he supports those things. we need to hear him say that the mayor cannot hire a commissioner without consent of the city council. should listen to the demand of saying, $1 billion from that

city budget, from the nypd, and that's the things we're trying to cut. we're going to join other mraszs across the country, and say we're no longer going to shield the police officers, to help with the discipline. we're not going to get ten days. e especially from a mayor to be interviewed. >> i have to ask you of the clip you played of the criticism earlier. we can't hide behind his black whif and children. do you think he is using his multiracial family for street credit, to make himself seem like he is more woke than he really is? for two days, i had the mayor telling me, i wouldn't

experiencing what i was experiencing. that's what i was feeling for a long time. i should have rephrased it. the mayor has and does, in that incident, use his proximity of the blackness, to move forward without bringing the reforms that are needed. i appreciate you making time for us. mr. williams, thanks very much. >> thank you. how might the energy from these protests across the country, turn into social and legislative change. that's next. robinhood believes now is the time to do money. without the commission fees. so, you can start investing today wherever you are - even hanging with your dog. so, what are you waiting for?

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uni17th will mark five years since the shooting in charleston, south carolina. nine people died in that racially motivated attack. j.a. moore lost his sister in the shooting.

that tragedy inspired him to run for office. in an op-ed, he said, we seem to be worse off now than when dylan roof opened fire on a prayer group that welcomed him in. mr. moore join us this evening. good evening. >> good evening. josh, good to see you again. >> we're worse off now? why is that? >> i'm reminded of the african proverb. in that proverb, it says the skin of the leopard is beautiful but the heart is evil. when we have the racially motivated tragedies, and police shootings, that are racially motivated or have an implicit

vice, too often, we look at the assassination and the murder of the nine beautiful soles. we had a flag come down from the statehouse. that was it. no change happened after that. no opportunities for people of color. question took down a flag. this time, we must demand more from our systems and our government. >> how are the demonstrations going right now? are people worried? hopeful? angry? all of the above? >> i any it's all of the above. if you have motivated leaders that care about change, i'll give you an example.

i'll have a conversation with one of the leaders of the black lives matter movement. his name is marcus. marcus was a commodities trader until a couple of days ago. listen, i need to see this through. and he resigned from his job to make this his purpose in life. we have young people like jacob gamble, who is doing an incredible job. i'm very hopeful. i've been here before. not sure what is going to come of it. and i'm lifted by young people like jacob and marcus. >> looking at protests in los angeles. there's been protests throughout the weekend.

and people there making demands of what you want to see. you have the moore justice agenda. what is the key piece of that plan? is there one item that's the cornerstone of it? >> the key piece is all of it. i think it's important to really have more justices, who have to demilitarize the police officer. the police should not look like an army. dismantle the 1033 program. citizen review boards should be independent. it's not just the mayor of cities. we need police to represent the people racially, culturally,

that they're policing. the police officers to live in the communities they police. police officers in south carolina, most of them have training of ten weeks. that's unacceptable. we need a year, two-year course for police officers. it's seven years undergrad to be a lawyer. and police officers on the street, to protect the lives of my and my family. we need a more just criminal justice system. >> they are having a dance party in the middle of hollywood boulevard. the tone of the protests feels very, very different than any other protests about police

brutality have before. you explained what you wanted to see, quickly, before i let you go. >> we have the model in front of us. and like i was saying earlier, with that african proverb. we can't allow things that look beautiful stray us away from substanti substantive, meaningful change. we have to change the hearts and minds of systems that were designed and created to marginalize people. as long as we do that, this will be difficult. we can't allow beautiful things to get us distracted from that.

>> j.a. moore. thank you for joining us. our final word this hour, comes from prince. prince would have been 62 today. he usually performed on his birthd birthday. this year, his estate gave us something from him. it is something from the archives. it reads, nothing more ugly in the whole wide world than intoleran intolerance. black, white, boy or girl. thank you for making time for us on msnbc. i look forward to seeing you next week. until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. stay safe and sharp. we will get through this p

this sunday, turning point. ♪ we shall overcome this su. ♪ we shall overcome >> nationwide protests. >> sparked by the police killing of george floyd. >> nothing has changed. what are we supposed to do? nothing has changed. >> inspire a national recognition of inequality and police brutality against african-americans. >> i won't be satisfied until i can wake up and have kids and have them not fear their lives just for being black. >> it's time for us to stand up in george's name and say get your knee off our necks. >> why this time feels different. my guest this morning senator cory