it's "meet the press daily" continuing msnbc's coverage on a busy monday afternoon. you're looking at live pictures now out of houston where members of the public are paying their respects to george floyd's body at a viewing ceremony before he's laid to rest tomorrow. demonstrations are once again under way in cities across the united states as they have been now for roughly two straight weeks. over the weekend we saw some of the largest planned demonstrations so far amid a pandemic that is still raging. people gathered in washington, d.c., new york, scottsdale, philadelphia, denver and san francisco among many others to demand action. on capitol hill today, democratic leaders and members of the congressional black caucus kneeled in silence for 8 minutes and 46 seconds as they also unveiled a sweeping police reform bill designed to overhaul policing in america, which we'll have more on in a moment.

legislation does not appear to shrink or expand police budgets, that's notable because right now the president, the white house and the trump campaign are seizing on efforts to scale back police funding. the president met with law enforcement officers this afternoon at the white house after he tweeted law and order, not defund and abolish the police. the radical left democrats have gone crazy. >> there won't be dismantling of our police, and there's not going to be disbanding of our police. the police have been letting us live in peace, we want to make sure we don't have any bad actors in there. sometimes you will see some horrible things like we witnessed recently, but 99.9% i say, but let's go with 99% of them are great, great people. they've done jobs that are record setting. record setting. >> in washington, d.c., black

lives matter demonstrators painted the words defund the police on the street leading to the white house. officials in cities ranging from new york to los angeles are planning to redirect funds away from police and towards other community initiatives. in minneapolis, the city council announced it has the votes and the intent to disband its police department entirely, a veto-proof majority. the biden campaign put out a statement today distancing itself from those efforts saying vice president biden does not believe police should be defunded. obviously defunding police departments and what that means exactly will be a big part of the police reform debate which means it could also have major election year implications as well. let's dive into the latest headlines and to do that we have got nbc news reporters across the country.

morg on capitol hill congressional democrats rolled out a new bill on policing. morgan, i want to start with you. this views is under waing is un. tell me what it's like and how it's working. >> there's been an incredible show of the support for the family of george floyd with more than 3,000 people coming to this church within the past several hours, making their way in one by one before they're being led in front of the casket. we know there are safety measures in place. people are social distancing. they can't go in without a mask and gloves on. they can keeping this flow moving because it's expected throughout the entire afternoon. the mayor of houston realizing

this would be a moment to ous e and telling people to take advanta advantage. i had a chance to speak to several people in this massive crowd behind me. one man left his home at 6:00 a.m. to drive several hours south to houston. i crossed paths with some of george floyd's teammates from yates high school, that's where he went to school in houston where he was a stand-out athlete. they tell me he grew up a gentle giant, someone that they could always get along with, was always making a practical joke. they had, you know, called him floyd growing up. now that the name of george floyd is known all over the world, they said it just brings such significance to the man that he was. and the fact that he's had such an impact on so many people. in the meantime, we had a chance to hear from attorney ben crump here, he came out and made a

statement a short time ago, thanking everyone for coming out. we know the family put out a statement today in the program for this memorial service saying that the incredible show of support, not just here, but all over the world has made this tragic loss easier to deal with, if you will. we know that former vice president joe biden had a chance to meet with the family in private today and share some words of support there as well. right now a steady stream of people coming to this place in houston today to say their final good-byes ahead of a private ceremony tomorrow where george floyd will be laid to rest right next to his mother, that woman that he called out to in his final moments of life. katie? >> just heartbreaking. morgan, thank you. let's go over to minneapolis, derek chauvin made his first appearance in court today. how did that go? >> it was a very quick hearing,

katie. he appeared via video conference in that courtroom. it's the first time we've seen him since that video was taken of officer chauvin's knee on the neck of george floyd for over nine minutes over a week ago at this point or exactly a week ago. as i mentioned, it was a quick hearing. the judge set the bail at 1.$1. million. we saw officer chauvin in an orange jumpsuit. as that was going on, the pressure against the minneapolis police department was continuing to grow, especially after what we saw last weekend or over the course of the weekend with the city council. the city council, the majority of the mens on that council supporting a push to defund or dismantle the police department. that was something that you heard over the weekend, a majority of them supporting that move. i spoke to one of the council members leading that charge, he warned it doesn't mean you'll see officers coming off the streets, he says this is a year-long process and it's a conversation beginning, but you're seeing more people and

more leaders starting to support those calls to reallocate those resources from the police department to more community organizations. here at the site where george floyd was killed, you continue to see people come in. it's fewer people at this point, but people coming in with their flowers, bringing their family and continuing to pay their respects. that's the process you've been seeing for two weeks now. katie? >> so interesting there, especially with the minneapolis city council is doing with the police department, it doesn't mean getting rid of the cops entirely, just reimagining what a community police force might look like. let's go over to jab jacob in los angeles. the land apd and the mayor say they're willing to redirect funds to the community.

what's the reaction? >> the reaction is it's not nearly enough money. that's the bottom line. this is an interfate mith memor service for george floyd right now. what needs to happen, you and i talked to one of the co-leaders of black lives matter this morning, it was going from theory to practice. that building there is city hall in the heart of downtown l.a. today there's a budget committee hearing meeting taking place with the city council. what black lives matter and other organizations that have been a part of this coalition are talking about is getting money from the city council to issues like homelessness, to defund from the police department, to get away from what they say is structural racism in the police department and move it throughout the city to different civic entities in order to help communities who have underlying issues that might contribute to that

systemic racism. that's the bottom line. the question is when will it happen, how will it happen? take a look. look at what's happening here in the civic center. these protests continue to happen. katie, if i can real quick, a little shot when we talk about the underlying issues here in los angeles, the homelessness that we've heard about from up here, it's right here in the shadows of city hall, all throughout the city, and as you know as well as i do, that disproportion in the disproportionately disproportionately affects african-americans. carol lee, you're at the white house. with all these protests going on around the country for two weeks now, these activists coming out and demanding police reform, saying that police departments need to be changed systemically.

the president today held a roundtable with law enforcement. why was that? >> well, look. the president has been trying to find his footing in this crisis. he's clearly now decided that that is by aligning himself with law enforcement and trying to cast democrats at the same time as being anti-law enforcement. so he decided to meet here today with half a dozen members of law enforcement and that was the message that he delivered during the public proshun of that meeting where he said that the mayor of minneapolis, for instance, wasn't able to get the job done until it was president trump who came in and said the national guard should go there and restore order. he criticized these efforts to defund the police. he said that some cities may do that, but if they do, the results will not be good.

that's basically been his messaging plan. the question is does he have a plan for addressing concerns that protesters have been raising? we haven't seen that from the white house yet. the president did say in this meeting with law enforcement earlier that they would discuss various ideas, but no specifics. one thing that the white house is saying is that the president is very unlikely to support this bill from democrats with various police reforms, this white house official told nbc news this morning that's not necessarily something the president is inclined to support. >> does the president believe from all of your reporting that police departments do need to be reformed at all? >> that's the big question. he's suggested there could, maybe should be some reforms but there's been no specifics. earlier today, this afternoon, keyleigh mcenany was asked does the president support a ban on choke holds. she said she went going to get ahead of the president on that.

they're still figuring out what ideas or proposals they would be willing to back. so far he has not spoken on specifics in that space. >> so, carol just mentioned this, the democrats have a sweeping police reform bill that they want to pass in the house. there's a lot of questions about what sort of support that might get in the senate, especially since the president is apparently not going to sign on to it. what is in this bill? >> this bill is democrats attempt to address what activists and people across the country have been demanding out in the streets over the past two weeks. so what it does, it tries to bring accountability, transparency to police departments, it also tries to change behavioral norms of police departments. so, specifically it creates a national database of police data for bad actors. it also makes it easier to

prosecute police officers and currently it is a very high bar for police officers to be prosecuted if they're involved in a shooting or a death. it also bans choke holds. it also bans no-knock entries in drug cases as well. those are the two instances that related to george floyd and breonna taylor's deaths. it also addresses this issue of money kind of and this whole defund the police debate happening now. it's very convoluted t means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. what congress does, they don't add new money to the police departments to implement the reforms. and so that is an acknowledgment really of how important this debate is, but it does not s shrink the budgets. speaker pelosi was asked about

this today, she said it is a local issue but democrats in the hou house and the senate are committed to beefing up funding in other areas like mental health and schools. the big question is what republicans are going to do. we have not heard republicans completely and outrightly say this is a non-starter. so that's significant. but we don't expect them to take this bill, especially when it gets to the senate at face value. instead we heaeear from senatorm scott from south carolina that he will release his own proposal sometime this week. i got confirmation seconds ago from a spokesperson of representative jim jordan that he will also release his own proposal about police reforms. but there's no timeline, no deadline. so republicans on capitol hill seem semi interested in having this discussion, but the question remains what are the parameters that they're going to talk about and what could some bill that perhaps could pass both bodies and reach the

president's desk look like. >> we always talk about this, leann. there are a handful of republicans who are up for re-election who are in tight races. cory gardner, susan collins and others, i'm more interested now in whether you have gotten a read on where mitt romney stands on this or where susan -- not susan collins, where lisa murkowski stands on this. >> yes. senators are just making their way back to washington right now. we have not heard from lisa murkowski, but senator mitt romney was in washington over the weekend and he joined the protest outside of the white house. he said that black lives matter. and so he's the only senate republican that we know of that has joined a protest or made that statement. so that is significant. other than senator tim scott. senator tim scott says black lives matter, but he's not been on -- he hasn't been out

protesting. he wasn't out in front of the white house that we know of. so we'll be watching these senators that could really help dissuade the discussion, not only the ones running for re-election but the ones who are not afraid to really stand up to this president despite what the president tweets about them. >> and the president has gone after mitt romney for participating in that march. >> yeah. >> thank you very much for joining us today. house and senate democrats release their new police reform bill. what kind of impact could it have? and what are the chances it could pass? coming up later, warning signs for president trump, our new nbc news "wall street journal" poll look at the numbers that could add up to serious trouble for him in november. effortless is the lincoln way. so as you head back out on the road, we'll be doing what we do best.

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seconds. it's a long time to be on one knee. for 244 years, there were plenty of knees on the necks of blacks who came to this country. >> welcome back. that was south carolina congressman and majority whip jim clyburn this morning as house democrats rolled out their proposal for sweeping police reform after kneeling for 8:46 in silent tribute to george floyd. the new bill which comes in the wake of nationwide protests following george floyd's death has more than 200 democratic cosponsors in the house and senate and it includes provisions for making police misconduct easier to prosecute, creating a national database of plus misconduct and banning choke holds and no-knock warrants. anthony brown is a member of the congressional black caucus which

took the lead on drafting the new legislation and is a cosponsor of the bill. there's a number of points in this bill. what do you think is the most urgent point of action. >> look, there's a lot in the bill. it seeks to make transformative change in police departments across the country. it's long overdue in many ways, it's a compilation of efforts that many members of the congressional black caucus have been promoting for years. but it does a number of things. you highlighted the details. i think it's very important that you eliminate the obstacles to prosecuting bad cops who use excessive force that harm and kill people, particularly african-american men. i think it's important we eliminate the barriers so people harmed by police can sue them for damages. what we saw, the technique used

against george floyd, while it technically wasn't a choke hold it was a carotid hold that caused him for over eight minutes to lose oxygen to lose his breath and die. we are banning that technique and we are setting a national standard so that in no police department will the choke hold be permissible. a lot of good things in there. those are some of the highlights. i think it's transformative what we're setting out to accomplish. >> if this were to pass, i'm wondering what sort of expectations you have and how effective it's going to be, big picture. i ask that because a number of police departments in this country have been under consent decrees after moments of police brutality or police killing, black men or black women have come to light, a lot of police departments have banned choke holds from the list of acceptable maneuvers police can use, there's been a lot of

intense scrutiny on police departments over the past few years, in recent years it's still the case that black men, young, black men and boys have a 1 in 1,000 chance of dying at the hands of a police officer. so one for every 1,000 black men will die at the hands of a police officer according to a study in a prominent journal. >> do the protesters when they say come out and defund the police or get rid of the police and come up with a new system, camden, for instance, did that, do you understand their point when they say to congress you're not doing anything to make that easier. you're not defunding or taking away money. >> i can understand that point. and we all should understand that point. we saw it on full display for eight plus minutes when george floyd had the knee of a police

officer on his neck. we don't need to get rid of police departments, we need to rid police departments of bad cops. the accountability, to make it easier to prosecute bad cops, to let families and victims sue those cops for the use of excessive force. we're also giving to states and requiring of the federal government to give back to the pattern and practice investigations, all too often you have one bad police officer and he's doing this for years. he might move -- he or she might move from one department to another and escape detection. we have a national registry we're proposing to eliminate that. it's all about accountability. we don't want to get rid of police departments, we want to rid police departments of bad actors, people who arm the community, that do not uphold the standards of protecting and defending, which is what they swear an oath to do. >> so you're saying the problem is the individual officers, not

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public safety that actually keep us safe. >> reporter: their pledge comes after minneapolis' mayor said abolishing the police force was not something he could support. while the city council has yet to detail its plans, one member proposed sending the fire department to overdose calls, mental health professionals to distress calls, and using unarmed community groups to monitor the streets. calls for deep systemic reform have grown more urgent in recent years as black men and boys have had a 1 in 1,000 chance of dying at the hands of police. that means being killed by a police officer is now for black men and boys a leading cause of death. >> are we willing to live in fear that our lives will be taken by police who are using their power in the wrong way or are we willing to -- to

understand what it might mean to change our practices which will ultimately lead to a better quality of life for everyone. >> reporter: while minneapolis would take the first and most extreme step, defunding doesn't have to mean dismantling an entire police department. in los angeles, mayor eric garcetti and the lapd support cutting the police budget by between 100 and 150 million. >> so we can invest in jobs, in health, in education, and in healing. >> in new york city, mayor bill deblasio announced sunday that he supports revising his proposed budget, redirecting system of the nypd's $6 billion in funding. but does less policing mean more crime? nypd chief of department terry monahan made that case to me last week. >> we went down the path through the '80s and '90s to 2,000 homicides a year. we've gotten out of that. we've made this city so much

safer. >> reporter: a worrying prospect, but not necessarily a reality. according to a "washington post" analysis, which found there is no correlation nationally between spending and crime rates. >> in 2013 the police department in camden, new jersey dissolved and was rebuilt with a focus on community policing. joining me now is former camden police chief scott thompson. scott, thank you very much for joining us. how did it work? >> so, in 2012, every member of the camden city police department including myself was fired. i was a police chief pore 20 years, i had been a police officer for 20 years, police chief for five. myself and everyone else had to fill out a 50-page application, take a psychological, take a mental -- the physical conditioning, interview, the whole nine yards. we were all new employees. the opportunity that that really provided for us was the ability

to build culture as opposed to changing it. so in the previous organization, we had very high levels of mistrust with the community. we were in a public safety crisis, our crime rates were greater than that of third world countries. and we had a labor organization that every time we tried to institute a change for the positive, it would be litigated, stalled, and if it didn't have a pay raise attached to it for the cops, then it essentially could not come to fruition. so all of this came together. there was a political will from the governor of the state of new jersey to the county government leadership to the city leader ship to try something extreme. we started of. we created a new police force. we created a new police force where the philosophy was the empowerment of the community before enforcement of the law. we would bring on every member of the organization and we wanted them to identify more a member of the peace corps than

being a special forces operator. and that we would reclaim the city streets in a manner in which we were empowering the people so they could reclaim it as opposed to us militarizing the neighborhoods and polarizing the community further. >> how has this worked? >> we reduced murders by more than 70%, we reduced violent crime by 46%, we went from a department that had the highest number of excessive for the complaints in the state of new jersey to having a 95% reduction. we have body cameras on all officers. we invest in training and deigs deescalation. we tell our cops it's okay to back up. we mandate them by policy to deescalate situations prior to using force. one thing i would like to add that's key in signaling and

empowering the community, we worked with the police project of nyu law school and we brought in the aclu of new jersey, we brought in our police union, we brought in the community. we let them all have a voice in shaping and framing our use of force policy and how we would use force in situations. i think that was tremendously empowering. it showed legitimacy to the community, and the byproduct of that is when we have really tense and critical situations like we see now across the country, camden is re maini ire calm. >> do you think this could work in other cities? >> you know, anything is possible. you know, one thing i know in you're extremely challenged cities is that the people are resilient. usually the impedestridvsedesti occurring is not the people, it's the politics, bureaucracies, the institutions

involved. the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. i think what a lot of cities need to find themselveses in this situation to answer the question is what are we going to do differently? how are we going to approach this differently? how are we going to really try to get to the root cause issues of what is leading to disorder and crime because what i've learned and in a place particularly like camden and my experiences is that a ticket book, a service revolver and a pair of handcuffs really is not the solution to most of these problems that are vexing our inner cities. >> you mentioned the police union a second ago. when you talk about reform in police departments, there are a number of obstacles, but also one of the biggest obstacles is the police union. by disbanding the camden police department, what happened with the union? >> well, everybody was

terminated including myself. the union -- they were -- that was gone as well. the new organization, the state of new jersey is a state wherein the labor laws allow people to organize. the new organization, they did organize and form a union. it was the same union. the fraternal order of police but under different leadership. so, you know, it's not all unions are bad. it's oftentimes you'll find rogue individual leadership. look, you know, you see in some of these labor organizations across the country they're not necessarily reflective of the demographics of the organization itself or the community in which they're policing. oftentimes that's an underlying issue as well. >> what do you say to people who are concerned about not being able to get a police officer when they need one?

might not trust the idea of a community group coming to patrol their streets or might not trust the idea of a social worker doing wellness checks, they feel they need a police officer there to stay safe. >> the issue is not whether the police are there or not. i think the police should always have some type of role for a presence for readiness. the issue comes in when we have the expectation of the officer who is ill-equipped, undertrained, and not educated to handle some of these situations that people with ph.d.s and a specialty in that discipline have fully been able to address as well. i don't think getting rid of police is the answer.

i don't see how we can do that. you still need police to intersect with really bad people doing really bad things. but it is not unreasonable to say that society would be better off if we stopped putting the expectation and politically delegating the responsibility of dealing with mental illness, dealing with homelessness, dealing with addiction to a 22-year-old that just got out of the academy and has a high school diploma and expect them to figure it out with a pistol, a pair of handcuffs and a ticket book. >> yeah. scott thompson, thank you so much for coming on and sharing this. it is a fascinating discussion and so interesting to see what was able to be done there in camden. thank you very much. coming up next, what our new nbc news "wall street journal" poll shows could be president trump's biggest disadvantage in november. steve kornacki breaks down the numbers at the big board after this.

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welcome back. turning to the 2020 race and our latest nbc news "wall street journal" poll, joe biden continues to maintain his lead over president trump by 7 points. and yesterday as retired joint chiefs chairman colin powell joined the list of former military leaders criticizing president trump, he also announced he would be backing joe biden. take a listen. >> the one word i have to use with respect to what he's been doing for the last several years is a word i would have never used before. i would have never used with any of the four presidents i worked for, he lies. he lies about things. i'm close to joe biden on a social matter and a political matter. he is now the candidate and i will be voting for him. >> let's bring in steve kornacki with the latest on the trump versus biden race. so what do the numbers show us? >> yeah. here's the bottom line.

nbc/"wall street journal" poll, biden leading trump, continuing to lead him. 49-42 in our poll, a 7-point advantage there for joe biden. we're not the only poll showing something like this a bunch of polls have come out in the last week or so, they all put joe biden ahead by wide margins. if you average them altogether, joe biden on average leading trump by nearly 8 points. 7.8. and if you look at this same point, this number of days out to the election, this same point in the previous four presidential elections, you didn't see anybody with a lead as high as joe biden's is right now. hillary clinton in 2016, obama. john kerry was very slightly ahead in 2004. this is one thing to keep in mind. we all remember hillary clinton being ahead in the polls in 2016, she did win the popular vote but just not the electoral college. biden's lead has been bigger than hillary clinton.

we'll track that and see if that continues or changes. one reason for biden's advantage over donald trump, trump leading among male voters a little worse than trump did among men in 2016. among women, biden with a 21-point advantage in our poll. it was a 13-point margin for hillary clinton in 2016, 21 for joe biden. here's one worth pointing out, among white voters, trump leads, up 49-43. in the 2016 poll, trump won by 20 points. so from 20 to 6, at least in this poll, that is a big change there among african-american voters. similar to 2016. there is a bit of a gain here among hispanic voters. trump doing bet every here than in in 2016. that's a problem for him. if you break down white voters into those without a college degree, those with a college

degree, two big groups there, trump nearly 20 points up among non-college whites, down 13 among whites with a college degree. in the commit poll in 2016, trump won that group. >> steve, thank you very much. appreciate that. coming up next, combating the entrenched public health threat of racism while fighting a pandemic that hit a worldwide record high. you should be mad your neighbor always wants to hang out. and you should be mad your smart fridge is unnecessarily complicated. make ice. making ice. but you're not mad because you have e*trade which isn't complicated. their tools make trading quicker and simpler so you can take on the markets with confidence. don't get mad get e*trade and start trading commission free today.

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there's no doubt that the coronavirus, which has killed more than 110,000 americans and infected nearly 2 million people in this country is a public health emergency. but this country is facing another crisis, as well. in recent days, newspaper headlines and public health official officials have all pointed oh ut that racism is also a public health emergency right now. as i said earlier, according to an academic paper published last summer, about 1 in every 1,000 american black men can be expected to be killed by police. black americans suffer from heart disease, asthma, hyper den tension. dr. wen, thank you very much for being here. you wrote an op-ed about this. explain to me how racism and the

pandemic converge. >> covid-19 unmasked the underlying disparities, racial disparities that we have long known exist. you mentioned about how there are disproportionate health outcomes for people of color. well, it also is that covid-19 strikes those communities the hardest who, on top of having higher underlying medical problems, but also may not have access to health care services. may also not have access to basic services like food. one in three african-americans in baltimore live in a food desert compared to 1 in 12 whites. these people of color tend to be essential workers who may live in crowded conditions that social distance is a privilege that not everyone has. so in fighting covid-19 we also have to be attentive to the

long-standing racial despaispais and the structural inequities that have been there, but we have to address the long-term challenges as well as the short-term acute problems we face. >> so if racism is a public health crisis, how do we treat it? >> sometimes it seems like the problems that we face are so big, but there are tangible things that we can do in the short-term. so for example, resources in covid-19 should be targeted to areas that already are the hardest hit. demographics that are the hard et cete -- hardest hit, too. not everybody is able to go to a hospital to get testing. we need testing and additional resources to be available in the communities where people are. we need resources like personal protective equipment not only for doctors and nurses but ka che -- cashiers and bus drivers and

a national coordinated strategy. if we don't have a national strategy for combatting covid-19, those are the most affected are those that are the most vulnerable who bear the greatest brunt of disparities. >> so in looking at the underlying issues that make -- that have made it so that covid affects black and brown people worse than it affects white people, you're looking at socioeconomic factors, not getting as much sleep, not being able to access high quality food, we talked about food deserts around the country in portions of urban areas. people don't have access to vegetables. there are issues of stress with the jobsites. there's the fact that black and brown people are -- have more of the essential worker jobs in many of the cities, the grocery store workers, the bus drivers, the subway workers, people who

are nmore exposed to more peopl, they live in denser areas. in order to address those issues, it seems like we're also needing to address some underlying socioeconomic, fundamental issues we have in this society when it comes to just inequality, but also inequality of opportunity. >> that's right. and what you just mentioned that entire list of all these other factors that influence health, that's what we call the social determinants of health. recognizing someone's health and well-being is not just the care they receive in a hospital, but the other factors that contribute to health, too. it's all these other factors that are so entrenched and end up with all these racial disparities that we see. so that's why we need both of the solutions. we need the long-term solutions, things like housing access and food and transportation. but in the meantime, we also

need these acute solutions, too. because otherwise, people who already face the greatest brunt of problems as it relates to covid-19 are going to be hit the hardest. >> dr. lina wen, thank you very much for joining us today. we appreciate all of your time. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. from sweat-breaking dances... to sleepy smudges... to shower-skipping. these days call for a quick clean. luckily, help is still one wipe away. love, neutrogena®.

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he and i will both be back tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. and p.m., as well. stephanie ruhle, hey there. >> hey, thank you so much. and welcome you all to "the beat." i'm stephanie ruhle in for our friend, ari melber. we've got a busy show tonight, as protesters are gathering once again with brand new pressure on donald trump. from the streets to the hall of congress. today, a final public memorial for george floyd in his hometown of houston, texas. the family meeting with joe biden for over an hour today. while in minneapolis, the officer charged with floyd's murder making his first court appearance today. court sketches show he's appearing via teleconference wearing orange suit and handcuffs. also today, president trump meeting with law enforcement officials at the white house, as signs of his weakened political standing are flashing red. colin