finally before we go, george floyd's family will have a private funeral service in houston. he will be laid to rest next to his mother. if you recall, he was calling her name in his last breaths. that does it for me. i am stephanie ruhle. see you tomorrow at 9:00 a.m., and here at 6:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow night. keep it here on msnbc. see you tomorrow. good evening from new york. i am steve kornacki. tonight, protests continue in cities across america sparked by george floyd's death in minneapolis police custody exactly two weeks ago. tonight, following a weekend that brought massive crowds out in the streets and cities across the country and in fact around the world, amid growing demands for action on police reform, and

large crowds today in houston as well. that is george floyd's hometown, they were there to pay respects at a public memorial ahead of his private funeral tomorrow. also in houston today was the presumptive democratic presidential nominee, joe biden. he met with floyd's family, delivered condolences in person. biden will provide a video address for the service tomorrow. and derrick chauvin, former minneapolis police officer that put his neon floyd's neck for 8:46 leading to his death made his first court appearance today. a judge set bail at $1 million under certain conditions. the outrage sparked by floyd's death touched off a national debate over police reform in this country. today in washington congressional democratic leaders and members of the congressional black caucus held a moment of silence that lasted nearly nine minutes before they unveiled a sweeping police reform bill.

the proposed bill does not shrink or expand police budgets but calls to defund or dramatically cut police funding or get rid of police departments all together are being voiced by activists and some elected officials. sunday, new york city mayor bill de blasio vowed to cut police funding the first time, though he didn't say behow much. last week, los angeles mayor eric garcetti proposed cutting up to $150 million from his city's budget. president trump met with law enforcement officials at the white house after tweeting this morning he wanted, quote, law and order. he lashed out at calls to de-fund police. >> they won't be de-funding, dismantling our police. there are not going to be disbanding of our police. our police have been letting us live in peace. we want to make sure we don't have any bad actors in there and sometimes you'll see some horrible things like we witnessed recently, but 99, i

say 99.9, but let's go with 99% of them are great, great people, and they've done jobs that are record setting. >> the president's remarks follow a major decision by the city of minneapolis to address policing in the wake of floyd's death. on sunday, minneapolis city council agreed in a veto proof majority to come up with a plan to dismantle the city's police department in the current iteration. i am joined by mbs news reporter shaquille brewster in minneapolis. shaq, thank you for joining us. the reason the president is talking about this, the reason folks are now, the idea of de-funding police. let me use the exact words from city council. they envision a police free future. do we have a sense what exactly that means? >> reporter: they're still trying to figure it out.

i spoke to the council member who was hoping to lead the charge to dismantle the minneapolis police department. i spoke to him yesterday. he said it is being defined what it looks like. it will be a yearlong process. this is the time to engage with members of the community. that's what you saw over the course of the weekend, a splashy headline, you had majority of council members supporting the move and dismantling the minneapolis police department. but now is where hard work begins trying to figure out what that means, what the council will pass. this is much different than we heard last week, with the council and minneapolis police department agreeing to ban chokeholds, put the duty to intervene on officers. if an officer sees another engaging in excessive use of force, they have to intervene. this is not that immediate change. this is beginning of a conversation, according to the council member. i tell you, it is something that the mayor says he opposes, the

governor was asked about it, and says it gets complex whether or not you support dismantling or defunding, he supports community changes. you can tell activists, people coming out every day to protest, this is something that they have been calling for. you're seeing pressure build on politicians leading them. >> just to get a sense, as you were saying, it is not clear. a police free future, that is defund and dismantle, in pris pe -- principle what they're saying? >> that is. you hear different calls. ilhan omar was one of the most notable to call for dismantling the minneapolis police department. let me mention why you have the frustration around this police department. nbc news, our colleagues on the digital side looked at some police data, saw in the past five years 44 people have been

rendered unconscious by the minneapolis police department officers, something the police said was high. george floyd was the 11th man in the past ten years to die at the hands of minneapolis police. so there's a frustration there. many people on the ground feel there's been overpolicing and want to shift resources into the community, shift it from the police department to mental health, to education resources. that's where that emotion is coming from and passion is coming from. right now, what we have is commitment from city council to dismantle the police. the specifics of what that looks like still remains to be determined. there was a zoom call the council members had earlier today. they're still figuring out exactly what it looks like specifically, steve. >> shaquille brewster there on the ground in minneapolis. thank you for that. from minneapolis to the nation's capital, legislation introduced

by congressional democrats will try to push a number of police reforms. it includes a ban on choke holds, no knock arrest warrants that led to arrests of george floyd and breonna taylor or. tracking officer misconduct, lowers standards for pursuing civil and criminal penalties dpens the police. the bill has more than 200 co-sponsors. one of them, congressman sheila jackson-lee joins us. congresswoman, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. the number of things you put on the table in this bill, it is the george floyd case that captured so much attention the last week, so many people are thinking about now. when you look at what happened in that case, in that incident and what you're proposing now, what specifically do you have here in the bill you think would prevent that or anything like it from happening in the future?

>> i am not hearing the congresswoman. i believe that's an issue for everybody there. we're going to work on restoring the conviction. i apologize. we'll get back to the congresswoman shortly. >> can you hear me? >> meanwhile, recent poll found americans largely support police reforms. nine out of ten americans support outfitting all police officers with body cameras. two-thirds favor a ban on neck restraints. only 16% support cutting funding to police departments. we have with us tim alberta from politico. he has written today about the republican side of the aisle when it comes to police reform. tim, you have a provocative headline. you ask this this the last stan of the law and order republicans. that's the phrase the president has been tweeting a lot the past

knew days, phrase goes back 50 years, associate it with richard nixon. what do you mean by that? >> steve, you know, it is interesting. last week with everything happening across the tucountry, people in the streets protesting, none straighting, politicians in washington trying to make sense of it, i was really struck having conversations with any number of prominent republicans how there was a clear and emerging rhetorical divide how far they are willing to go talking about things like institutional racism, systemic injustice, some of the phrases that you typically hear from democratic politicians, you rarely will hear republicans wade into those waters. i think when you look at the statement made by former president george w. bush last week where he used the phrase

systemic racism, adds how do we put an end to systemic racism, that in many ways crystallized the question for republicans now and certainly moving forward which is traditionally if you are the party of law and order, that carries with it a sub text of data, tough on crime, not terribly interested in issues of systemic inequality, even believing there's something foundationally wrong with the criminal justice system itself. and those are i think assumptions that are now going to be challenged, even just the periphery of the party, when george w. bush speaks out that way, someone like tim scott came out, talked about being racially profiled himself, congressman will herd, rising star from texas, probably running for president in 2024, nickki haley these are voices that are

beginning to push the envelope further and not only attempting to connect with the black community and with minority communities with the way they talk about the issues, steve, but really in so doing attempting to shed that old law and order dogma that the party practiced the better part of a half century. >> tim, stand by. i think we reestablished the connection with congresswoman sheila jackson-lee. i want to come back to specifics of what might be happening. congresswoman, i want to return to you. we have the connection up and running. i apologize for the difficulties. we can start with the question i laid out a minute ago. we look at the case of george floyd, we look at cases like that that have everybody's attention. what specifically do you believe you're presenting in this bill that you laid out today that would prevent that from happening in the future. >> steve, thank you. might i just start by indicating

this is the services in texas today, today was a viewing with thousands of americans coming to honor him. tomorrow will be his home going service, and i think what we should acknowledge is the combination of racism and sacrifice, outright murder on the streets of america gave us the continuing crisis we find ourselves in. what we want to do with the justice in policing act is have a comprehensive look at the front end. we would have not had that officer on the force. he had at least 17 misconducts. he would have been reported to a national registry, and the police department would have been challenged in its accreditation with someone like that, someone not reprimanded if you will on the force, the lack

of training is evident in how the police force works in minneapolis and as well, the inability to restrain from excessive force. but outright is a ban on chokehold. the right to civil rights charges against police officers, lowering of standard to file lawsuits against police officers, the outright requirement to have your cameras for police officers, the ability to ensure that the training includes diversity. i think what would have stopped this action is that this officer may not have even been on the force, may not have even had the credentials to be hired in the first place. and certainly would have been on notice that it was a violation against policy and law to engage in the strangulation or chokehold or the cutting off of

air of an individual, and maybe the standard of recognizing officers that don't have the temperament or demeanor or have an innate bias, which it seems this officer had against people of color would not be on the police force. i think this bill is comprehensive, and opportunities to improve policing, and the overall saying that we're not warring with members of our society, we're not a warrior mentality, we're guardian mentality. when you see and call the police, you shouldn't expect them, steve, to bang out windows of two college students, to taser a young man, drag them by their feet and hair out of a police car in atlanta, georgia. that's what we're going after. we can save lives this way. i wish that it was in place enough to be able to say this

sacrifice, this devastating killing on the streets of minneapolis would have been stopped. i certainly think we'll go a long way doing that. >> tim alberta, to follow up on what you heard from the congresswoman, in the bill she talks about banning choke holds, database to track misconduct. this is what the democrats are laying out. reporting on the republican side, what is the level, how receptive will the republican side be to these ideas do you think? >> in short, steve, i don't think they'll be terribly receptive, at least not in a broad sense. you will probably have some conversations at the periphery. i used that word earlier about the republican party and its conversations around these things. i mean, it is not happening at high levels, in the white house, not happening in congressional leadership. but there are individual members of congress. i mentioned tim scott earlier.

he several years ago introduced a bill called walter scott notification act, named for the black man who was killed in his hometown of north charleston, south carolina, and that act, that individual piece of legislation was meant to create a database where any police killings of minorities would be logged and people could track it nationally. he is now going to introduce another piece of legislation called george floyd notification act which would broaden that out to flag any issues of police brutality whatsoever. there's certain things some republicans would entertain but i would not expect to see any sort of widespread support for the legislation the democrats put forth. >> tim alberta, congresswoman sheila jackson-lee from hughous, texas. coming up, colin powell the

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we have a constitution. a word i would never used before, never would have used with any of the four presidents i worked for. he lies. he lies about things. and he gets away with it because people would not hold him accountable. >> welcome back. that's retired army general, former secretary of state colin powell, criticizing president trump's leadership yesterday. powell says he will be voting for joe biden this november.

powell is a republican, although this is now the fourth consecutive election in which he endorsed a democrat for president. barack obama twice, hillary clinton in 2016 before this. powell also is the fourth former chairman of the joint chiefs to publicly rebuke the president in the past week. all four have taken issue with trump's use of the military to clear peaceful protesters from lafayette park last monday. >> we have a military to fight our enemies, not our own people. and our military should never be called to fight our own people as enemies of the state. >> as i understand, it was a peaceful protest disturbed by force, and that's not right. that should not happen in america. >> the idea that the president would overwhelm, take charge of the situation using the military was troubling to me.

>> amid public criticism, trump said he ordered withdrawal of the national guard troops from washington, d.c. that's where they had been a ubiquitous presence around the white house. he responded to powell's criticisms in a series of tweets, describing his as highly overrate and a real stiff, bringing up powell's role in launching the iraq war as george w. bush's secretary of state. and i am joined by former selkt of defense under president obama, leon panetta. thank you for joining us. let me start. to have four former chairman of the joint chiefs all speaking out publicly, all taking issue with the president on the same topic, how unusual is that? >> well, i have tremendous respect for these military leaders. i think it is important to remember that all of them have served this country. and a lot, most of them put

their lives on the line in order to fight for this country's interest abroad. they've got tremendous experience, know what the military is about. they understand the role of the u.s. military and it is for that reason that all of them spoke out to criticize the attempt by the president to use the military as an arm, political arm of the president. this is misuse of the role of the u.s. military. the u.s. military is trained for combat and for fighting our foreign enemies. as mike mull in said, the military was not trained to fight our own people. that's a point that needs to be stressed. when this president says he is going to deploy the u.s. military in a law enforcement role. >> powell's criticism of the

president was fairly wide ranging. i wonder, though, in the case of the other three more focused in terms of what they're saying, bringing up the issue you're talking about. do you expect, do you think it is possible, likely we will hear from them throughout the campaign or that this is a one time speaking up? >> i think this is unusual for these chairmen to be speaking out in criticism of the president. that's something that i think they've all tried to refrain from doing. jim mattis tried to refrain from doing that and i think martin dempsey has, mike mullen has, general meyer has as well. they generally do not want to criticize the commander in chief. but when they saw the u.s. military being abused and the threat that the president was

somehow going to deploy the u.s. military across the country to engage in law enforcement, they saw that as undermining the whole role of the u.s. military. and the fact that many of them came out of vietnam, saw the breakdown between the relationship between military and the rest of our society, and the fact that they spent a long time trying to repair that relationship between the u.s. military and the american people, and now to have that relationship jeopardized by the president of the united states, that's why they came out and made their criticisms as public as they did. but i don't think it is something you're going to see a lot of from these distinguished military leaders. >> i notice, too, we mention powell, the president went after his record of secretary of state when he was george w. bush's secretary of state, run up to

the iraq war, we remember that presentation to the united nations. i do wonder if there is when you see the president attack powell that way, go after him that way, you see the issues he had with some retired military leaders going back to the 2016 campaign now, is there do you think in the general public because of the iraq war and all of the issues that arose there, do you think there's a vein of public opinion that he is able to tap into? >> you know, i put a lot more credit in the american people and their understanding of the role that all these military leaders play in helping defend our country. and i think when the president tries to tear these people down in whatever way he uses, he basically uses the same kind of approach that he uses against

democrats he doesn't like, he basically says they're overrated, they're not as great as people think they are. i think that's wearing thin on the american people. they understand that these people stood up and said what they believe. i think the president would have done a hell of a lot better if he had just basically acknowledged that the u.s. military should not be used for law enforcement purposes but should be used for the primary purpose of defending our country abroad. the president should have made that clear, accepted the criticism that came from these military leaders, and moved on. he doesn't know how to do that. >> former defense secretary leon panetta. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. up next, new polls show the president, his re-election campaign entering dangerous territory. we go through the numbers after this. stay with us. frds but with accident forgiveness . at just because of an accident.

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all right, folks. we are 148 days away from election day. 148 days. maybe it sounds close, maybe far off. 148 days from now, we find out the winner, start to find out the winner, could take a few days this time. look at this. brand new nbc "the wall street journal" national poll, biden verse trump. there's joe biden with a seven point advantage over the president. mirrors what we have been

showing awhile. what others find, this is the average of all polls out there. biden leading trump on average by 7.8 points at this exact same moment 148 days out in the past four presidential elections, this is what you had. you can notice not all candidates won, nobody at this point had an advantage quite as large as joe biden's. we'll track that, see how it unfolds. keep that in mind. biden's lead bigger than any we have seen in recent elections. what is behind that lead. couple questions in the poll. who do you prefer, biden or trump, on bringing the country together. very timely. look at the advantage. two to one over trump. on dealing with the coronavirus, again, double digit advantage, not as stark, double digit advantage for biden. and being competent, effective. ask that question, nine point edge for biden. all three of these, significant advantage for biden over donald trump. in terms of key groups where you

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we need a voice against racism, many voices against racism and brutality. we need to stand up and say black lives matter. >> welcome back. that was mitt romney expressing support for black lives matter. he is the only sitting republican senator to march in protests against police brutality in the capital over the weekend. president trump responded with this tweet. tremendous sincerity, what a guy. sarcastic tweet. the president retweeted criticism of joe biden that

called him a coward for kneeling and tweet from glenn beck, questioning whether george floyd should be called a hero. biden flew to houston to meet with floyd's family, is recording a video message for tomorrow's funeral service. joined by zerlina maxwell, and john horowitz. thanks to you both for being with us. i was talking at the board about where trump is trying to find some issues, advantages over biden to try to get himself back in this polling wise. one thing caught my attention, john, we played this at the beginning, the president bringing up defunding the police, trying to draw a line saying i'm against it, it is not going to happen. joe biden put out a statement and said i don't want to defund the police either. is this making it hard for trump to run against biden? >> i think so. i think in an interesting way while the issue of radical

leftists calling for the abolition of police departments and the like should play well for trump, it gives biden a low bar to clear to seem like a moderate on this issue because as long as he says i don't want to defund the police, he pulls the rug out from under the attack, because he can't be blamed for it if he disapproves it. his position papers call for an increase in police funding in some areas. i'm not sure this is a good line, this is going to be that profitable line of attack. for trump, you would think if his rivals, particularly if the democratic party seems to be aligning itself with such views, that that should be his advantage. >> when biden makes the

statement, says he is against defunding the police, you have some activists calling for that, we had a conversation about what exactly is happening in minneapolis, no concrete plan at this point. does that cause biden trouble on the left or is he fine on the left flank with that position? >> i think that most people on the left are able to look at this issue with some amount of nuance. i think the phrase defund the police is actually a lot more complicated than the slogan, right? it means that currently we defunded education, we defunded health services, we have defunded social services. and i think that when we reframe where the funding streams are going in cities and municipalities, essentially what activists are asking for is reimagining how we do policing. why are police with guns showing up at situations where maybe a social worker or health care

professional would be more appropriate. that's where the conversation is headed. that's very important because serious people can consider all of the pros and cons to whether or not the umbrella term of defunding the police can bring about policy ends that make it safer for black people in their communities. again, that's why this is happening. this is happening because police departments had bloated budgets, where they buy tear gas during a pandemic that effects the respiratory system, makes people cough, and they can buy tanks and other equipment that they frankly do not need. i think the reallocation is essentially where the conversation is headed, and i'm hoping that biden would be open to speaking with people with different variations of plans that are going to be able to be applied to different places in the country. >> meanwhile, there's also this axios reporting this, trump more in send degree rhetoric, troublesome to top aides who in

private meetings said their boss needs to add hopeful, optimistic, unifying messages to balance harsh law and order rhetoric. this comes as associated press reports the president, west wing advisers and campaign aides have grown increasingly concerned about re-election chances as they watched his standing take a p pommelling, first on the coronavirus pandemic. there's a steady erosion in older people and battleground states once believed to be leaning in the president's direction. that's just what we talked about, looking at numbers on the board there. i'm curious. there is that issue of the economy where the president still has an advantage in polling over joe biden. it is not translating into much in the overall horse race number at this point. can you see that dynamic changing or is there something bigger here that's cutting against trump? >> i think what's bigger cutting against trump is the sense that

the country is in chaos, that he is not doing very much to solve or resolve the chaos. and maybe contributing to it. that's where you see slippage among independents and some republicans who might actually want him to have done harder and tougher, more serious, taken more serious actions during looting and rioting the past week, and look at him as a paper tiger. you've tax from the left that he is too harsh, and using tear gas, and people on the right who are like well, you're tweeting a lot of stuff on law and order but i don't see very much in the way of law and order. that's a kind of perfect storm where he is getting it from all sides, and when you get to the economy question, obviously trump needs something to change the focus and turn things around

so that the referendum on the incumbent, which is what a re-election usually is, has a good story to tell. the economy has to get better for him to turn this around, and i think news about the virus needs to get a lot better. and i think neither of these cases is he much of a player. these are large things, large, big complicated things that are going to happen in the medical profession and in the macro economy, and he is basically now along for the ride until november. if they don't materially improve, that thing you show in polling and real clear politics average having him down by 8, you know, biden can lose a lot of steps if he's ahead by 8, he can lose three or four points of the lead and win comfortably. >> on that point that plit olit is saying, that trump will have

large rallies in a few weeks. looking at the poll numbers, joe biden hasn't been active the last couple months for obvious reasons here. not to his detriment. polling has been good the last few months. it seems that lack of large public events is helping biden. will trump going out there put new pressure on biden to be doing some kind of events of his own? >> look, i don't think that it was that biden was at home, part of it was everybody being able to see trump in action handling or mishandling the pandemic response. joe biden didn't have to do a lot the first few months here. now there's a moment to pivot. there needs to be a big push for surrogates, influencers, celebrities, put everybody on the field that can speak to different constituencies. as somebody that worked in 2016, i don't rely on polling. i feel like polling is a snapshot of the past, and biden

needs to keep his eyes focused on the future, making sure people are safely able to cast ballots, making sure as many people as possible can mail in ballots, if that's applicable in their state, and that's what biden needs to focus on to be successful. it has less to do with trump. >> zerlina maxwell, thanks very much. new york city entering phase one of the reopening today. how many states are seeing a spike in new cases. dr. john torres joins me next. stay with us. or for hospitals to get back to normal again. that's why, at cancer treatment centers of america, we aren't waiting. we're right here, still focused on the only thing we do, providing world-class cancer care, all under one roof. because cancer isn't just what we do, it's all we do. cancer treatment centers of america.

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plus 0% interest for 48 months on all beds.ends monday. welcome back. new york city long the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak here is today beginning the first phase of its reopening. nearly 400,000 workers were expected to begin returning to retail stores, factories and dormant construction sites. governor andrew cuomo took a ride on the city subway but he also sounded a note of caution when it comes to the thousands of demonstrators who have taken to the streets to protest. >> if you were at a protest, i understand your point. i'm with you. we also have this situation with the coronavirus. act responsibly. get a test. get a test. >> meanwhile, experts are still concerned that loosening restrictions may have contributed to a spike in cases

across the country. add to that whether the mass protests across the country could have an effect of their own. according to the new york sometimes, 20 states have had an increase in reported cases of virus in the last 14 days. some could be attributed to more testing. but in some states the positive rate, the percentage of test taken that comes back positive is also rising. in 10 states that positive rate has been over 10%. that's a key mark, that 10% figure. and i'm joined now by dr. john torres. doctor, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. we had been, before the last week, talking so much about states loosening restrictions, all 50 reopening in some way, the question of whether there would be a spike. now we're adding into it the question of whether these protests, all those folks outside, if that's going to cause of its own. what should we be looking for in the next two weeks.

>> you are exactly right. there is a bit of confusion here as to what could be contributing to the spikes. one to two weeks is the time frame we start seeing these spikes start. if they start getting ingrained we're talking about a three-week lead time before we see that. the protests were over the last 7120 days. we will start seeing that occur over the next week as well. the confusion will come in. what's causing it? the protests or the actual reopenings. it will be hard to differentiate those two things because that contact tracing is important in tracking down who has it, who might they have been around, who might be spreading it and we don't have it in place as we'd like to right now. we know reopening will cause spikes to occur. we do think that people that participate in them will cause a little bit of a spike as well. the one thing we want to make sure is those spikes don't turn into outbreaks. that's the key, steve. >> are we learning anything? there was so much talk about

whether the warmer weather months will help curtail this in some way. the flu doesn't translate well in the summer. are we learning about that and how the heat is here? >> steve, we are. a lot of people were hedging their bet thinking, if i wait until june, july, august gets here, this thing will get away and we just have to worry about it in the fall. it doesn't look like that's going to happen. part of the reason is because it's now spreading to the southern hemisphere. and we're seeing in some of the warmer states that these cases are starting to rise as well. so this particular coronavirus, we're not sure why, doesn't respond to the heat and humidity like some of the other coronaviruses. so it's not going to completely go away this summer. it will get better under control, but there will always be that underlying wave of coronavirus that's out there until come the fall. once we start getting into cold weather, it will start taking off again into higher numbers. that means that everybody is going what they need to do to

keep safe throughout the summer even with the reopenings. without that it will spread more so and return to outbreak, steve. >> there is news that got a lot of attention from the world health organization, that coronavirus patients without symptoms aren't driving the spread of the virus. they note that asymptomatic spread can occur, but that it's not the main way its being transmitted. the whole issue of asymptomatic transmission, the idea of silent spreaders who don't know they have it and are giving it to all sorts of people, a lot of attention is explained. what exactly is the world health organization saying here? >> that's a huge concern, the people without symptoms spreading it because they go out and about. they don't know they're sick and they spread it to somebody else. what they said in their statement was in a press conference is that people without symptoms aren't spreading coronavirus as much as we thought, but they also said that most people end up having

symptoms. they're more what we call pre-symptomatic, not asymptomatic. asimil people start getting symptoms that they don't think are coronavirus, so they still consider themselves asymptomatic when in fact they're not. those are the ones we're concerned about that could be spreading it. that means face masks for everybody, social distancing. that's the key, steve. >> when you think there is great news, there is always a catch. there it is. thank you for joining us. >> you bet. coming up, some very big names coming together over the weekend coming together to celebrate the class of 2020. that's next.

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welcome back. the class of 2020 got a much deserved virtual celebration yesterday. bee yansy, justin timberlake and lizzo took part. >> dear class of 2020, congratulations. you have accomplished something remarkable. but let's be honest. it's been a hard week. >> in the face of obstacles, we have the great ability to surprise ourselves with how our spirit fights back. >> we have seen that our collective hearts, when put to positive action, could start the wheels of change. >> graduates, you all are exactly what we need right now. >> right now more than usual, we're trying to talk to each other. let's talk. but just as you did in your

classrooms almost every day, let's also listen. >> america changed, has always changed because young people dared to hope. and that's it for tonight. thanks for being with us. don't go anywhere. "all in" with chris heys is next. tonight, black lives matter, the demonstrations in cities and towns across america and beyond. kamala harris on this global movement and the push to change policing in america. then, trump's panic attack on d.c. protesters. on the infighting, back stabbing and overall condemnation of turning the american military against the people. plus, has america just moved on from the pandemic? and can you do that if the virus hasn't moved on from the u.s.? also, how to defeat mitch mcconnell? one progressive rising star in kentucky thinks he has the answer. charles