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dignity and the respect that we afford all people. >> we honor him today because when he took his last breath, the rest of us will now be able to breathe. >> we are not fighting some disconnected incidence. we are fighting an institutional systemic problem. >> someone said make america great again but when has america ever been great? >> his life mattered. all our lives matter. black lives matter. his death will not be in vain. >> he is going to change the world. >> that was the scene this afternoon in houston. at george floyd's funeral. you are now look iing at live pictures of the procession to the cemetery will floyd will be laid to rest beside his mother. it was a very emotional service.

as you'd expect for so many people around the country, this service was about a lot more than just the life and death of one man, george floyd. it was about whole heck of a lot we've all been experiencing. especially the african-american community. as this procession is underway, the movement sparked by floyd's death continues to get people in the streets. it's also ignited a nationwide debate on police reform. democrats released legislation yesterday to overhaul policing in this country and now republicans are working on legislation of their own. senator scott is hoping to release legislation this week. but getting this republican party to release something may not be easy. first, while the country agrees about what the problem is, right now, republicans do not. they're the divided party in this one. look at this new poll from "the washington post." overwhelmingly agrees by a huge margin is floyd's death is a

larger sign of policing. that's driven by democrats. look at those party splits. also driven by big margins among independents. but republicans, they're divided on this question. if anything, a small majority says floyd's death is not a sign of broader policing problems. there's problem one. second complication further making this harder for republican efforts sfor police reform is the president. he's made it clear he will stand staunchly with police and today, he tweeted a conspiracy theory which appears to be from an anonymous blog from a sputnik reporter. basically suggests that people may have been justified in shoving and violently injurying a 75-year-old buffalo protester because he was -- by antifa. there is no evidence to support that. and two officers have been charged with assault in that incident, which was captured on camera. a number of republicans refused to answer questions about that

tweet. when they walked past reporters today. as politico put it, the president's tweet involved the conspiracy theory that people find so baseless and in poor taste. but the party's top lawmakers are weet trieting it like it's the physical manifestation of the coronavirus itself. in other words, stay away. >> do you think that's an appropriate move of the president at this moment? >> i just saw tweet. >> senator cornyn, can you stop at the mike for a second? what do you make of the president's tweet this morning and does the president need to be more cautious about what he tweets? majority leader mcconnell, do you have any response to the president's tweet this morning? does he need to be more careful about what he tweets? >> i didn't' it. so i'd have to, i mean you know, you know, i'm sure my office would be able to give me a copy but i didn't see it. >> so no real response to it but i don't think it should be surprising in general because he tweets a lot. >> yeah, i saw the tweet.

it was a shocking thing to say and i won't dignify it with any further comment. >> just saw that this second. just makes no sense that we are get i getting the blames not at this time. this is not good. >> about the president's tweet this morning on the buffalo protester. have you seen the president's tweet this morning about the buffalo protester? >> joining me now is kara lee, casey hunt is also with us and steve patterson in houston where we are following the procession to the burial of george floyd. i'd like to start with you, steve. tell us about what you saw today and what you're seeing now. >> well the best thing i can do is just step off and show you. look at this. we've been here since the morning. this has grown now i believe into the hundreds. it was started with just a handful of people here.

very early in the morning. just to be in a good spot to see the procession of george floyd. some of these people again have been here since the very early morning. and it is hot out here. i got to tell you. it's been like 96 degrees. >> houston hot. >> factor in the humidity, about 106. some of these people are very old to the very young. all dedicated. all want to be a part of this moment in history. it appears now just a few minutes ago that this street has shut down to look like some of the people are are moving into the treat. the anticipation is growing. just talking to protestors again. even for a glimpse, they have waited for hours for this moment. you see them moving into the street. look at this. just now, we've seen them kind of hide behind these barricades. they're awaiting what will be a horse drawn carriage as george floyd gets closer. the last stretch will be by horse. police now pushing some of the

line back. people just want a good perspective of when this rolls through. they've been waiting for this for so long. they feel like this is an inflection point. that this day is a ko ales ens of 15 days of protesting and rallying and fighting and then we're hearing the booming words of reverend al. they were hearing ben crump. they were hearing that out here and waiting for the moment when they get their turn to get a glimpse and you're looking at it now. looks like it's about to happen any minute. chuck. >> it is. i'll let you step away. we'll probably come back when they make the final stretch there by carriage to his final resting place. let me go to the white house and carol lee. thank you steve with that. and carol, i wanted to start there because that was the backdrop today. this has been the backdrop today in general. we've had two things happen today. big picture wise. the country is remembering and burying george floyd and at the same time, you see a lot of the

people on capitol hill putting out police reform proposals. it seems a good faith nature on both sides of the aisle and it's in that environment, not going to put up the full screen because it appears to be b a conspiracy theory by somebody who worked for the once reported news for the kremlin. >> that's right, chuck, and the white house has not officially commented on the tweet despite us asking them since he, the president tweeted it this morning. our producer on capitol hill caught up with white house chief of staff however and asked him about the tweet and he said he learned a long time ago not to comment on the president's tweets. so that gives you a sense of how eager the white house officials are to say anything about the president's tweet and notably, mark was with jared kushner, the president's son-in-law and senior adviser, and he said nothing when julie was asking about the president's tweets. we do know he went the white house officials today that

president's aides advised him to just the quieter the better today out of respect for george floyd's family and the funeral services but clearly as you note, the president decided that was not the advice he felt like taking. >> mark meadows was on capitol hill for another reason. it is interesting despite the president's tweet, he wants to make it clear that the white house wants in on police reform, too. >> yes, and we have new reporting today about the white house looking to put forward its own proposals as early as thursday. the president is looking at various ideas, says aides tell us that he has been meeting with policy advisers, meeting with stake holders, mark meadows said after meeting with senator tim scott who's coming up with him and other senators who are coming up with their own proposals, that that was a good meeting but the white house was going to let stake holders take

the lead on what those proposals might be and some of the things we're told the president's aides and president's considering are things like you know potentially ban on choke holds. although that's still controversial. this database for police officers who have been accused of using excessive force multiple times. things like that. the real question as you know is whether or not there's any ground on which the republicans in congress, the president and democrats in congress can agree on. >> and what right, we know there are some things, the question is, will it be enough for either side to hold hands and jump in on this. casey, you know there's a couple of way to look at this moment we're in. on one hand, it looks like there's bipartisan certainly desire. there's desire among a big group of republicans wanting to be involved in police reform. the question is, are there enough votes on that side to do something meaningful that democrats would go, would go

along with? >> that's the million dollar question, chuck, and i'm not sure we have the answer to that yet partly because some of the big questions in the republican bill are still being answered, especially this question of whether it will be easier to prosecute police officers who are involved in these kind of incidents. it's referred to as qualified immunity and the president says he's got a red line against thatment republicans are still debating it. democrats want to do it. i think where republicans land on that could tell us a lot about what happens next. but i want to underscore how dramatic the shift among republicans on capitol hill has been on this over the course of the last week. they have essentially you know we're working to find out exactly what kind of polling numbers they're looking at but they're obviously seeing what's happening across the country and have switched dramatically from the law and order you know

decrying the violence in this streets message that you know has been with the republican party for decades. to suddenly, you know talking about how black americans clearly have a different experience than others and that that needs to be recognized. the leader mcconnell talked about that today. tom cotton got up in lunch and said that clearly black americans have a different experience and quote, we need to be sensitive to that reality. this is somebody who was just add war with "the new york times" times to send in the troops to quell the violence. here we are just a few days past that and the conversation is different. suddenly, it's become untenable r for republicans to be seen as not doing anything, not caring about this issue and i think that really says a lot. >> how similar is this atmosphere post parkland and i'm curious is that instrtruktive i any of this? >> it's hard to compare that in

some ways i think because and i actually would go back to new town when you had some bipa bipartisan push to try and change things around gun reform. this one is not necessarily an issue that cuts the same way with the republican base necessarily and i also think that gun control or gun reform, however you want to frame it, is such an issue that people are so incredibly emotional about it. the politics of that are pretty calcified. and who knows. we could have another moment where there's a shift like this, but this one in some ways, it's almost the way gay marriage changed so quickly. all of a sudden, there was this ground swell and it really changed the cultural politics of the moment and that's what this reminds me of a little bit. >> all right. well i think the proof will be in the pudding in the next three to four months. so we'll find out. >> we'll see. >> how serious all this is.

carol, casey and steve, thank you all. we're still keeping an eye on the procession there, but joining me now is a leader on the democratic side of aisle. jim clyburn. good to have you on. let me start with what you're hearing from the other side of the aisle. how optimistic are you that you could be working with senator tim scott from your home state there? do you think you and he and a certain group of senate republicans could work out something? >> well chuck, thank you so much for having me. i really hope so. this is bipartisan stuff here. this is not and should not get hung up on partisan politics. i think all of us can see what we saw. and we know full well there's something lacking in our law enforcement position situation here. we know it. there's something lacking in our health care delivery system.

something lacking in our educational when i've called for restructuring things, it was marred two weeks ago. i don't think mitch mcconnell would go to the floor now and mark my words on that. so hopefully the climate will be better for us to get some things done in the bipartisan way. i've never had problems doing that. i work ed with paul ryan when h was speaker of the house to get things done and i always say i don't mind taking three to five steps. >> one of the things that supposedly is a nonstarter for the white house and i'm curious where you are on this, is this idea of getting rid of the qualified immunity thing. supposedly a nonstarter for the president. is that a nonstarter for you? if it's not included in police reform bill? >> i don't like to call anything

a nonstarter. if everything else were done and that wasn't about then i would go home with everything else. i think though that all of us ought to know that we ought to look at this objectively. i grew up in a parsonage. my father was president of his presbyterian. i watched him defrock a minister. we have bad ministers. we have bad elected officials. and you have bad police officers. let's just recognize no matter what your location or your profession, there are some people in it who ought not be in it and we ought to have a way of getting rid of those in policing who should not be in it. >> i want to ask you something you warned your colleagues yesterday. you said quote, don't let yourselves get drawn into this debate about defunding police

forces. what did you mean by it xablgtly and i take it that isn't the phrase you want to use. what is the phrase you'd be using? >> reform police ng this country. we need to reform policing. the fact of the matter is people who keep talking about camden, new jersey. camden, new jersey, was u about defunding a department of the police. they're still funded policing. they brought the comment in to do the policing. they contracted out to some private people to police. no one defunded policing. they defunded a rotten department. and that's as it should be. >> look, you've seen, you have seen the civil rights movement through many iterations. does this moment feel different to you and i'm just curious, you've lived through what you've lived through and you see what where we are today.

what are your feelings watching all of this right now? >> it does feel different. no question about that. the one thing i miss right now that is not being able to sit down on the floor and reminisce with jon lewis as i do so often. we used to talk whole lot about how the student nonviolating coordinating committee, how they got hijacked and we would be talking now about what we need to do to make sure that this doesn't get hijacked and so that's when i'm talking about when you hear me say we ought not be buying into this defund the police. defund the department, if it's no good. but policing, we need. you know, i, i have a great respect for the columbia police department. i know the chief well. i have the same respect for

charleston and north charleston. orangeburg. they've got good police departments and they work with their communities. look at what happened walter scott got shot in the back. that republican mayor of north charleston joined with the local people. he fired the policeman. they tried him, convicted him and sent him to jail for 20 years. nobody threw a brick. nobody burned down a building. that's what policing is all about when it's good policing. so that's why i think that we ought not ever throw out the baby with the bath water. >> congressman jim clyburn, number three in the house. democratic from south carolina. always good to have you and get your perspective. thank you, sir . preeappreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> joining me now is new york republican congressman tom reid. let me start by asking where are you on police reform and what

would be your top three priorities on a police reform bill that you could support? >> well, chuck, as i watched the procession of george floyd and listened to the words of jim clyburn, my colleague, i do agree. this is a different moment. and the it's time to that he stop proposing democratic bills, republican bills. about time for america to sponsor an american congressional bill. and in those priorities, we can go after the issue of police brutality. we can move forward to a more perfect union in regards to things like going after the bad actors in law enforcement. making sure that we're not talking about as jim clyburn just recognized, we should not be defunding the police. e we should be using that appropriate ly to reward good practices, best practices of community policing. involving the community into the policing operations and i also think there's an opportunity for us to do more on community policing side even more so.

school resource officers. to make sure we send the message that we're in this together and that there's going to be accountability for bad actors. >> it seems like the biggest impediment to the accountability issue, not just the issue of qualified immunity, but in some cases, it's police unions. it seems sometimes the stronger the police union, the more likely the initial release by the police department will be a bit misleading. seems like that's our culture, if there's a cultural hurdle, that may be the biggest one. do you accept that in. >> i don't necessarily accept that. i think the police unions have a role and they're going to have a role in moving this forward. that's why i was so inspired in the protests i participated here in new york and elsewhere. police chiefs and sheriffs are joining in to say we can do better. i think ths a realization to say that we've made a tremendous amount of gains over the last 100 years but we've got a lot

more work to do and what we need to do is raise to the next level of plateau. it's going to mean our police unions. our minority population, as well as us. as white kcaucasians in america are andi instanding together sae can do better. this is not the end of this con ver sags. just the beginning and as we go forward, it's going to, we have to make sure we implement these reforms, that we execute upon these reforms and i think there's a huge opportunity for us to live dream of martin luther king. that day is getting closer and closer to reality. >> how much harder though does the president sometimes make it with the tweet he did today in of all days to do it, do a conspiracy theory, some bizarre thing about police scanners. is he a hurdle to police reform? >> well, obviously i didn't like the tweet today. especially on the day of george floyd's funeral, but remember it was president trump that signed

criminal justice reform into law. we in the problem solvers caucus got behind the first step act. one of the most major moves areforms of the criminal justice system and it was president trump who signed it into law so i look at his actions. he has a heart and belief in regards to spoupporting these types of reforms when pushed and when put in front of him. i will tell you, i believe there's an opportunity for him to put together a package that will bring people together. you may think the rhetoric is too divisive and at times, it is, but at the end of the day, the substance should give us optimism this can be done. >> i think politically, i see that people can make the case it's good for him, but he doesn't always see that and listen. and at what point does that put you guys in a box and in a bind? >> yeah, but he signed a law. he signed criminal justice into

law. so we have our job to do in congress. we need to come together and the r more that we do this as republicans and democrats together as american congress, working together to solve this problem then i think we're in a much better position to get it through the senate, get those 60 votes and i think the president will sign this. one of his goals is to address this issue. you saw him condemn and come out vocally when he saw the video and said how horrific it was. so it has touched even the president of the united states for whose who disagree with him. at the end of the day, there's a package to be had here and the short history of criminal justice reform should let us know we can get it done. >> let me ask about the next possibly round of relief. are you concerned that actually momentum for future relief is going to slow because of the jobs report we saw on friday and will it slow more than it sho d should? >> i don't think it's going to slow. i think it's impacted the size of the package we were looking

at and that's good for america because the numbers came in much better than we anticipated but it's not going to slow the need. the need is coming together and i still think we're going to get this done here in the next 30 days. >> congressman reed, thank you for coming on. appreciate you sharing your perspective. you and jim clyburn are optimistic so that's two. 433 to go and you guys will get something done pretty quick. thank you. >> thank you so much. we continue to keep our eye on the procession in houston. in the time since george floyd's memorial in minneapolis, only five days ago, lawmakers across the country in different levels of government have already been spurred into action. minneapolis city council agreed to disband and restructure their police department. the mayors of new york and los angeles have committed to cutting police budgets and democrats in congress and now republicans are talking about introducing democrats have a police reform bill and republicans want to have one. and earlier this afternoon,

sylvester turner announced his order during his speech at george floyd's funeral in houston. >> people recaall over the world elected officials on all u levels are doing things that they otherwise might not have done. had not done. because of your, because of george. as i speak right now, the city attorney is drafting an executive order. an order thatly sign when i get back to city hall. and what that order will say is that in this city, whether he ban choke holds and strangle holds. in this city, we will require deescalation. >> join iing moe now is my msnb colleague, joshua johnson. i admit to being a bit of a cynic when it comes to seeing, we don't see change or we don't

see change. this protest movement in five days has seen a lot at least the first steps of actually change. >> that's kind of the way it works, doesn't it? i loved casey hunt's analogy to the same sex marriage. it was unthinkable gavin newsome did that massive wed iding on t steps ofty hall. >> remember that was going hurt his career? political career. >> he hasn't done anything since. then you had amendment one in florida then in 2016, it was ruled that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry and i seemed like it was impossible, impossible, impossible, boom, public opinions are gone and that's the way it seems to go. people have been screaming for this reform for michael brown

and trayvon martin. it just seems like now between social media and people's ability to have these conerer sagss and coalesce social movements in a much more independent way. than what's happen ed in the has few years with body cameras and the anger when they were not used properly with coronavirus and everyone being kind of cooped up in their homes. with george floyd, the irritation over the trump administration, it all seems to have kind of coales sed at a moment when it allows for things to happen. i think we're seeing more generalized -- the trump administration, his approval rating has seldom if ever trended well above 50% so there's always u been a significant part of the population who has never supported his presidency and for them, this feels like the bridge

too far. seems like it happened all at once. it was a slow boil then it just boils over. >> in business, they talk about hockey stick moments. you're plugging along and then something changes in your business. you're describing a similar phenomenon. it sort of, the seeds have been planted a long tile ame ago fors change. it took the right moment. what is your concern about where this could run into setbacks? >> well, i have to say i'm not as convinced about the terminology as congressman clyburn. i understand where he's coming from in terms of d word in hanging up the conversation. i think the idea about defunding the police, that's going to shake out and there's a lot of motion oh my god, we're not going to have policing anymore? no, no, but we're going to spend

the money differently, potentially i. i think that's going to go a different way. last night, sunday night, i iewd can you commit to whatever succeeds the minneapolis pd will reflect the racial diversity of the city. she said yes. i said can you commit that the way force is used to deal with circumstances will change and she said yes. so we got her on the record about that. i think the big concern and i asked her about this, i think she's going to have to come up with a solid answer about this. is what police unions may do. i can't imagine that union leaders across the country not bracing themselves for a hellified legal fight right now because what some cities are talking about may amount to negating collective bargaining agreements signed in good faith. >> correct! so you mean to tell me i signed up to be a police officer. i did everything you asked me to do. i never broke the rules, the law, i never hurt anybody.

i'm not part of the problem and now i'm not allowed to have a job but you signed a contract saying i could have. well, damn, thanks for nothing. glad i signed up to put my life on the line every day. that i think when rubber hits road could become the real fight. what happens to police officers who have a clean police jacket, a clean police record and want to be first in line for these new jobs? are they allowed? do they have to go to the back of the line? i think there's a lot of devil in these details, potentially. >> and joshua, i don't know where your head is at, but i sort of have this feeling that this is going to define local you are u ban politics probably for the next decade. these fights over these reform measures then different cities the fight will be you didn't do enough or you did too much, but that will define probably mayor's races for the next couple of eichels. >> maybe. i think that could be it. i tend to think it might be a

facet of what will define local politics. i think one thing that has happened more and more particularly with younger americans is that they are much more intersectional. they're much more able to think about various social justice issues as right, like nothing is completely in a vacuum so what happened with george floyd and the police if you are black, say black and transgender, then you have other concerns about what the police do. if you're a woman who's been waiting to get a rape kit processed, you have other concerns about what law enforcement involves. so i think what might happen is in some cities where the social justice movements are differently ko assessed, this might become a catalyst to say there are all u kinds of things that need fixing. why do we have to wait another five years something else to get caught on camera. governor ko poe of new york has been talking about this being a

moment to do all kinds of social justice work that's not just changing police funding and i think that because of the sophistication of today's young people, i don't think this is going to be enough. i think they're going to say this is a piece of what cities and cou counties and sates. this is also pride month. let's not forget. >> right. i'll say this, i think we both, some of the more interesting politics we may see an interesting sort of policy debates we may see are are going b to be on city level before they may reach us up here. joshua johnson, appreciate you today putting a lot of today in perspective for us as always, sir, thank you. up next, if primary day in georgia and it is not going smoothly. if this is a preview of november, get ready to have white knuckles. we're going to take you there after this break. e knuckles we're going to take you there after this break ur big moment. that's why there's otezla.

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welcome back. we are continuing to follow the funeral procession for george floyd. joe, walk us through what this last bit is going to look like here. >> well, chuck, what's happening right now as you can see, george floyd's casket has been moved from the hearse into this carriage right here. we are now one mile away from the cemetery which will be george floyd's final resting

place. it's actually another church silver lake church and so the plan has always been 11 miles of sort of your typical procession which we've been watching for the last several minutes then arriving here at the church right now. moving the casket into this horse drawn carriage that will pull bid two horses then make the last journey to houston memorial gardens yus a little ways down the road. it will be about a 20 minutes trip the owner tells us. we spoke with the owner. he's been in business for 11 years now. it is a family owned business. they live and work in the neighborhood where george floyd grew up here in houston. they said they got the call about a week ago because they were asked if they would be willing to do this and they said absolutely. they volunteered to do it for free. they say it is an honor and a privilege to bring george floyd to his final resting place. so you can see right now, some people who work for the company are actually saluting the gold casket right now and the

carriage will be taking off here covered in flowers in just a few moments. there are a couple of other koirnlgs on scene here, too, that we believe are also going to be making the trip. i also there are some white doves that are apparently going to be released at some point in this journey. so this is really a powerful, symbolic moment that they decided would just send a really powerful statement. i asked the owner about the power, the symbol, the significance of this and why it's so important and he talked about history. talked about martin luther king. you may remember his casket was in an old wagon pulled by mules. he talked about jfk whose casket was also pulled by horses. he sees this as a powerful moment in history and that's why this moment is unfolding before us right now, chuck! i'm glad you evoked those images because those are the aim nlgs for many people, this is this is george floyd's death is going to be symbolic of something greater. something perhaps that does

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primary. as more states transition to mail because of the pandemic, such problems have been reported more widely. there were problems reported with voting machines across georgia today and voters say they had to show up in a opinion pan because they didn't get their absentee ballot in time. the georgia is secretary of state call ed this situation unacceptable and has opened up an investigation to solve it before november. it isn't just one issue, it's a slew of them. i hope you have enough time to go through them, but it's sort of one problem on top of another and they're all problems and collectively, it turned into a disaster. >> it really has become kind of a perfect storm, chuck, when you look at the timing. so first let me show you what this line looks like. we're in fulton county. back there is where the line is, but let me show you where people are trying to get to. the line snakes here. it's not just ending there. we don't just go around this

corner, chuck, but if you'll bear with me, you can see right down there, the line snakes down there. 16 minutes there. >> up to a doorway to get inside. to get inside, so you know, i've been talking to people up and down this line. you know people who have been waiting for two hours, a little more. some people who came out this morning, the wait time was four hours so they said we can't wait right now. they left, came back and are waiting for more than an hour. we've seen heavy downpours, hot temperatures and most people to their credit have refused to get out of line. let's talk about the perfect storm. not only the fact that this is the midst of a pandemic so we're seeing different measures, but georgia is unveiling new voting machines today so these new systems are coming out right in the middle of a pandemic. so as for what went wrong, chuck, it really depends on who you ask. let's start with the secretary of state. his office oversees all elections across the state and he is pointing specifically to

fulton and dekalwb counties and he said that he's launching an investigation into these two counties, the issues there, because he says they haven't seen issues like this anywhere else. he's saying it's the responsibility of those counties saying that they haven't seen any specific reports as of midday of the machines themselves not working chuck. they have seen reports of machines being delivered to the wrong places or late because poll workers not knowing how to use the machines so he's saying the county employees are to blame for not properly training them. a number of local officials have pushed back on that. we heard from the leader saying he's calling for an investigation into the way the secretary of state has handled this. that county said they've gotten repeated concerns about machines themselves not actually working. so a back and forth is that for all of this, but one thing is r very clear. this is something that a lot of people are saying look, this can't happen in november.

shouldn't happen today. now some of the other voices we're hear iing about and some the other concerns, there was a tweet from atlanta mayor pointing to one of the bigger voting precincts in the area saying there was a line out to the street and she asked the secretary of state, hey, is this happening in all places or just happening on the south side of the county? of course chuck that's the area with the predominantly black population. chuck. >> well it's quite the day and i'm sure there will be more problems you may find as polls stay open for a couple of more hours. thanks very much. up ahead, growing concern about new coronavirus spikes. after the break. ing concern about new coronavirus spikes after the break.

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like oh, my goodness. when is it going to end? it is very complicated. we're at almost the beginning of really understanding. the thing we don't yet fully appreciate is what happens when you're ineffected and you get serious disease and you recover. what are the long term durable negative effects of that infection? we don't have enough experience. we've only been involved in four months. >> welcome back. that was the nation's top infectious disease expert, dr. anthony fauci this afternoon.

explaining how much we have to learn about the coronavirus, which he also called his worst nightmare. joining me now, the director for the center of health security at johns hopkins bloomberg school of public health. and he expressed something that i've been feeling which is, how nervous should we be as a society about how much we don't know about the long term impact of just having covid and recovering from it in. >> i think dr. fauci raises a really important question. we don't know about the long term impact of the disease on people who have recovered. we've been focusing quite a bit on the number of people who have died from this disease, but there are many more who have had serious illness and have recovered. we'll have to see how they do over the long run. other diseases like ebola and other serious infectious diseases, some have had long term illness. it is an important issue. >> one of the reasons to have you on was to help us understand what the w.h.o. did say

yesterday about asymptomatic versus pre symptomatic. then the walk-back they did today. so walk us through what we should know about the spread of this virus with asymptomatic versus pre symptomatic. >> i think what w.h.o. today, which is consistent with what we know about this disease, is that there is some portion of spread that goes on in people before they have symptoms. so in pre symptomatic people, before they develop outward manifestations of the disease, and some percent of spread is happening in asymptomatic people. we don't know the number of the percent of people who are in each of those categories versus those who have symptoms. so there's a lot we don't know and the w.h.o. is pretty clear about it. i think what they did say is that people who are asymptomatic or pre symptomatic can spread the disease. it is important to take precautions, as we've been doing, to protect people, protect others with a mask when

you go outside. keep physical distancing. it is not just those with symptoms that we have to worry about. >> our day to day caseload is stubbornly sitting around 20,000 every day. 20,000 new cases. we can't seem to go downward. and some potential that it is starting to push up. how much of that is increased testing and how much is increased spread of the virus in your estimation? >> it depends on the state but some of it is quite real. for example, in arizona, you can see that the number of hospital beds being used by covid patients, needed by covid patients is going up. it was a month ago or something, in the order of 300 to 400. now it is 1,200. the number of icu beds in arizona. it is an example of where you can track real changes even if diagnostic is going up. those are real sick patients in

need of the hospital. those are the numbers that worry me. >> it seems as if, are you concerned that we're on our way to a new spike? you hate to, you look at the reopenings for memorial weekend. we've had the protests. the first of july, if we can duck a spike on the 1st of july, would that tell us that maybe we're over the worst part of this virus? if we don't, how bad of a setback is that? >> what's important is that the virus hasn't changed. it is the same virus and it still spreads person to person in the same way. and i think we're seeing that something approaching half the country, maybe not quite half but 22 states, the numbers are going up. and we could see spikes increasing spikes over the summertime. i don't think we need to assume that it will be until fall that

we will have spikes. i think we should be planning for possible spikes now. it is important to see that some states which were doing quite well and had decreasing numbers now have increasing numbers of cases. so the virus doesn't care. it doesn't care which state it is in in the country. if we let our foot off the gas too much and start relaxing what we've been doing to control the virus in the coming weeks and months, then it is a real concern it could spike again in states and multiple states, maybe around the country. all right. always good to have your expertise on. let's just hope this june swoon doesn't lead to july spike. as we go to break, we'll take another look at the floyd funeral procession. people walking alongside this horse-drawn carriage. this is quite a seasonable. we should note there are police officers escorting it to its final place as well.

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sanitizing classrooms, and ensuring social distancing. tell lawmakers and governor newsom don't cut our students' future. pass a state budget that protects our public schools. that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." stephanie ruhle is here. >> good evening to you. thank you very much. welcome to "the beat." i'm in for my friend ari melber on this his, to day that saw george floyd laid to rest. a day that has sparked 15 days of nationwide and global protests. people lining the streets to catch a glimpse of the funeral procession in houston, texas. it begins taking it to the cemetery. these are live pictures of a rally taking place in new york city. among