searches and further opportunities for the police to interact with the individual and perhaps even escalate it to the point of death. >> again, our thanks to two terrific guests on what continues to be such a tough topic but it blends nicely with our national conversation. our thanks for being with us once again. another break in our coverage. when we come back -- the minneapolis police department, where it all started, taking its first steps toward reform 16 days now after the death of george floyd.

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we're following as we mentioned this breaking news today out of minneapolis, the police department there has taken its first steps toward reform, and will withdraw from contract negotiations with the police union and the minneapolis police chief made the announcement this afternoon as calls to dismantle and defund his department as it currently stands intensify following the death of george floyd. under the knee of one of his officers. with us from minneapolis once again, nbc news correspondent shaquille brewster. and shaq, i'm not a lawyer or a police chief or a union rep and i'm wondering what everyone else is wondering, can they just do this? what are the consequences for the chief to say we're cutting off talks, we're cutting off

this ongoing matter with the police union? >> reporter: well, the mayor spoke after the police chief a little bit later this afternoon, he said one of the big consequences of this it gives city leverage enforce some of the changes they've been calling for because without a new contract the current contract started in 2017, without a new contract that means wages won't go up, the certain changes that police officers want, won't happen unless the city gets the changes they're calling for. the police chief announced he's withdrawing from the contract negotiations because he wants to set up a new system to see how he can revise contract to better hold officers accountable, seeing if there's new disciplinary processes that can be established. he also said that he wants to look at police data and use the data better frankly, he wants to be able to see if there are early warning signals that can be created based on officer

complaints and used that data more appropriately and provide a more realtime updates on officer performance. when the police chief stepped to that podium today, he was leading a police department that has been under significant pressure for, one, this police department is under state is investigation right now the state is looking back ten years at patterns and practices to see if there's been systemic discrimination, in addition to that, you have the calls from the city council calling for this police department to be defunded and disbanded. he's facing a lot of pressure and what he was trying to do today was signal he doesn't want to abandon this police department instead he wants to lead this police department in a transformation. brian. >> shaq brewster, thank you so much for spending some time with

us. brian, i keep thinking over the last two weeks how much more important local government is and how little time we spend talking about them, but you really see this one police chief, i was on the air sunday night when the city council voted veto-proof majority to disband the police department there. these are real world consequences from local leaders that we don't spend enough time talking with. >> absolutely. it first happened with the governors during the pandemic. suddenly, the governors are polling in the 60%, 70s and 80s in public approval. this has correctly focused on local police departments, local county board of supervisors, mayors, city managers, the visual was so striking behind

shaq just now, eastern europe in the '60s era, razor wire over a wall that has been built in front of what i believe is the first precinct police headquarters in minneapolis. i think we'll know we're closer to be og on the other side of this conversation when the razor wire comes down in front of police headquarters there. thank you for having me by the way. >> thank you. it was now is to see you as you said for the first time this week. we'll see you tonight at 11:00, brian. when we return -- rising cases of coronavirus in mar than 20 states across the country a and the spike in hop hospitalizations in states that were quick to open. it's far from being over. m beinr which egg tastes more farm-fresh and delicious? only eggland's best. which egg has 6 times more vitamin d, 10 times more vitamin e,

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it's been more than a month since the daily coronavirus task force briefings ended. joining our conversation, primary care physician, dr. kavita patel, former policy director for the obama administration. dr. patel, our conversations haven't stopped and you haven't stopped sounding the alarms as the behavior has changed so dramatically. i mean, i remember the alarm and the wall to wall coverage of those shocking decisions by the state of georgia, they just weren't open, they were opening tattoo parlors and barbershops, all of that alarm faded but the infection rate didn't fade with it. >> yeah, that's right, nicolle. we've had at least 20,000 even higher new infections a day with hundreds of deaths as you kind

of already illustrated in numbers, so we have certainly an overall decrease in the infection rate and doubling rate, certainly cities like new york are seeing less cases, but here's what's troubling, a state like arizona that's already declared to have all hospitals activate emergency plans, some of hospitals running out some of the important oxygen equipment they need. houston, texas as, has more hospitalizations for covid than currently in manhattan right now. so we're seeing places not hard hit in the beginning, we're seeing statistics that do trouble us especially as, you know, we're just frustrated being at home and our kids want to get out and we want to understand and i think the advice here is, we don't have the public health leadership we need, it's been a while we have

seen dr. fauci, we need more advice and we need to proceed with caution. >> do you worry that people won't go back inside for a second spike or a second call to protect the most vulnerable people around us? we know a little bit more people of all ages and all genders get sick, but really the most vulnerable people are our grandparents, do you worry that people won't heed a second warning? >> absolutely. and we also have some precedent for this in 1918 when we saw the last kind of big pandemic of this magnitude, there was this unfortunate kind of lull and sense of security, we saw higher spikes and deaths, i do worry about that and i also really worry, some of these hospital

statistics, frankly, we don't necessarily have hospitals ready to take this on, so if the public is not able to heed the warning and hospital infrastructure can't deal with it, then it could be even worse than before. i'm hoping we all listen to caution and that dr. fauci is out there more to give us this advice we need. >> i ask every expert like yourself that come on, obviously a once in a generation moment here to seek out some real change in the area of racial justice and police reform, what is your hope, what is your advice for people exercising their rights to protest in this moment? >> yes, and we have talked about it, i've been thinking about it because i do think that people deserve the opportunity to express their concerns, i think of racism as a public health issue, quite frankly, but we're

already seeing protesters are trying to do this in a safe way so i do think you can by maintag safe. we need to be out there more to offer testing, to let the very communities that we have neglected in this crisis know that there's a safe place where they can get testing, it's free and that we can help to understand how if you can't socially isolate at home because you live with five other people in a one-bedroom apartment then that's onno us, we have to facilitate our country to expressing their concerns and outrage and acknowledging that racism is a public health issue just as much as covid is. >> dr. patel, should tear gas be banned? >> yes, and by the way, this is not something new and i do find issue with kind of parsing the

words, it's not tear gas, these were pepper bullets or, you know, these pepper balls people have been using, anything that minimizes the ability for your eyes to function, your skin to function, remember the skin is an organ, it protects you from so many things, and there's just no reason to use this. other countries have done so and it's about time that the united states does that nationwide. >> it's always great to talk with you. we'll keep these conversations going. i think people can hold these two thoughts in their heads the need to be out making their voices be heard around george floyd's death and being safe while doing so. up next -- a new report on the asylum seekers who said they were forced to clean a covid infected i.c.e. facility. that's next. (music)

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news has exclusively learned that asylum seeking migrants say they were forced to flee an arizona detention facility that had seen nearly 80 cases of coronavirus. in a new letter, those migrants are pleading for from the deadly virus. the letter claims that migrants were asked to clean multiple parts of the pfacility, includig the nurse's office where sick patients were received for treatment. they describe unsanitary treatment. when some protested, the letter says they were punished with threats and indefinite lock ins. and one day when they resisted working with kitchen, some r were sent to the pole. otherwise known as solitary confinement. that same group has filed a lawsuit on behalf of the migrants. immigration and customs

enforcement told nbc news as a matter of policy, it does not comment on pending litigation and the it has been following cdc guidelines. julia reported this story. she joins us now. the horrors seem to know no limits. take us through what you and jacob are reporting beyond what i read already. >> well nicole, these are 2,000 men who have a for profit i.c.e. detention facility. they get a profit for contracting for i.c.e. they have been there for over six months awaiting a hearing that's been indefinitely postponed because of the new covid orders around immigration that are supposed to protect public health but for these people and for the guards there, there have been very little measures. these men describe being in the only tank, a group of cells, that has not been infected. yet they have people coming in and out of infected tanks into

theirs daily. they were finally given face masks in late may and eve those they haven't been given more. the most agree jous thing is the cleaning. if you think of the way this virus is spread, you have to be so careful about bodily fluids, sharing spaces and surfaces. they were told to clean the kitchen and when they protested, they were threatened with verbal abuse and to be put in solitary confinement and some were. there's part of the letter where two men from ecuador were asked to clean a cell of a psychiatric mentally ill detainee without gloves. this is a mplace where this man hadn't been able the get a shower for months. very unsanitary. they asked the immigrants to do it. now not unheard of for immigrants to do work. that does happen but fact that they were asked to do this work without personal protective

equipment and because the guards weren't doing it themselves raises so many questions. they're saying look, these men are having to make the choice between going back to their home countries where they could face persecution or torture or death of staying in these conditions where their chances of catching this goes up by the day. the facility has had 78 positive cases. >> what is is disposition of their lawsuit? >> well the lawsuit is broad where they are trying to get they're trying to get as many of the detainees released as possible so they can be out of these conditions. this letter came afterwards. the lawyers were learning more about the cleaning, the work, the lack of personal protective equipment after they filed a lawsuit but we know nationwide, i.c.e. has released detainees

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it's 4:00 in the east. today, republicans find themselves running with wallace. george wallace, that is. a segregationist former governor of alabama who ran as a third party candidate against nixon in 1968 and while nixon is remembered for big impeached, just like trump, chief white house r correspondent at "the new york times," peter baker, argues it's george wallace, not nixon, who's the political doppleganger. quote, the talk of shooting leaders, his threats to unleash vicious dogs and ominous u weapons and his vow to call on troops to dominate the streets all evoke language more than nixon's idea. the realization is slowly awake enning republicans to their fate, which is today, "the washington post" r reports quote, president trump's insind yar responses to racial injustice protests and the

coronavirus pandemic have left him politically isolated and profoundly weakened. less than five months from the election, raising alarms among many republicans about the party's prospects in november. a raft of fresh polling nationally and in battleground state s shows trump losing groud to joe biden. a precipitous slide that has triggered deep distress within the gop about the incumbent's judgment and instincts as well as fears that the party could be swept out of power on election day. why would they do that in because you watched a child r for four years? republicans political standings growing more precarious as calls for justice swell. and emotional pleas like this one from george floyd's brother earlier today in front of congress are getting impossible to ignore. >> i'm here to ask you to make

it stop. stop the pain. stop us from being tired. george called for help and he was ignored. please listen to the call i'm making to you now, of our family and the calls ringing out the streets across the world. people of all birkheackgrounds, genders and races, have come together to demand change. i didn't get the chance to say good-bye. to perry. while he was here. i was robbed of that. but i know he's looking down at us now. perry, look at what you did, big brother. you changed the world. >> deep political anxiety

doesn't appear to bring souls back to their bodies when -- knocked to the ground, that police in buffalo and seeing bleeding from his head, being a hoax, republican senators claim they lost their glasses or their wi-fi or press secretaries or their minds. >> i swrus saw the tweet. i know nothing of the episode. >> i didn't see it. so i'd have to, i mean you know, you know, i'm sure my office would be able to give me a copy of it. >> can you stop at the mikes for a second? what do you make of the president's tweet this morning and does he need to be more cautious about what he tweets? do you have any response to the president's tweets? does he need to be more careful? >> no real response to it, but i don't think it should be surprising in general because he tweets a lot. >> tape that will live forever.

"the new york times" details that r reporters actually handed a lot of those republicans copies of the tweet and they had this. quote, even faced with documentary evidence of the president's inflammatory remark, most republicans averted their gaze. the see no evil hear no evil gop and echoes of george wallace are where we start today with some of our favorite friends. chief white house correspondent, peter baker. also joining us, co-chair r for color of change, heather mcghee and stechmidt is here. heather, i've been looking for you and i'm thrilled to see you. your thought ons the testimony and on the family of george floyd, who has displayed, i stomachumbled over all my words the last hour, but to find all u that strength and eloquence in a moment of such pain is so stunning to me. >> nobody wants to be in that position. of having to rise out of tragedy

and a feel of unfairness and rage and speak for millions of people and speak to some of the most powerful people in forces on the planet. the united states congress. the police. the president of the united states. and so i am, i'm in awe. i share your awe at how composed and eloquent the family members have all been. you know, george floyd is someone who is absolutely i'm speaking of him in the present tense because he has become so larger than life. he's absolutely an american every man and that is why so many people have of all races and backgrounds have stepped out and stepped up and said we want to stand up for someone who was a working class person. who was trying to make it by in an economy that doesn't work for

anyone with the added lair of racial hatred dogging his every step and what we've seen is that this country is ready to turn the page and usher in a new and transformed america. and that is a cross partisan sense of urgency right now. >> and peter baker, your angel is is so fascinating and if you just contrast the way the family has you know i think heather put it better than i'll be able to do it, but they've seized the moment and told people to vote, to be peaceful. these are the words you report donald trump has used since the movement has really taken hold over the last 15 days. shooting looters. calling people thugs, terrorists, his threat to unleash quote vicious dogs, ominous weapons. dominate the streets and you write they invoke wallace's

inflammatory language. take us through what you wrote today, which is profound. >> we've been talking a lot about 1968 because that was the moment of such tumult in the streets after the assassination of king, kennedy. there were riots in washington and elsewhere. people are looking for an historical comparison and thinking about nixon's 1968 campaign when he ran on law u and order. he was running in the middle between humphrey on the left and george wallace on the right. he wrote off the deep south. and so he was balancing the law and order tough on crime, tough on protestors, message, with support for civil rights, we talk about unity. his slogan was bring us toget r together. he marched at mart luther king's funeral. he was not going to be going to the extreme that george wallace did. even if he was trying to compete for some of the same voters with some law and order messaging. and i think that's the thing we

forget. george wallace was hard right. very violent in his rhetoric about the protestors in the streets. he said he would run them over with his car if they got in front of him. that's more akin to what we're seeing from the president. the president who wants the violent language and harsh rhetoric. we just saw him defepding the confederate generals who were the source of names of american bases refusing to rename them even though his own military said they would be open to thinking about that. >> peter, there's a great anecdote near the end of the piece about nixon going and meeting with protestors. at the monuments. you've got donald trump militarizing the monuments at the hour of protests. just talk about that. >> yeah, nixon once he becomes president, he finds himself more frustrated by the protestors. he authorizes domestic spying

against his adversaries so he's not exactly a shrinking violet here. he's cursing at all times about people in the streets, but he has this desire to reach out. to try to understand so in the days after the kent state shootings, he basically didn't sleep all night. at 4:30 in the morning, directs the secret service to take him to the lincoln memorial where he meets antiwar protestors and tried to connect with him in some ways. awkward, isn't a natural state of being, but he says to them i know you think i'm an sob but i care about this, too. he's trying connect with them in a way we don't see president trump doing. president trump said that george floyd's case is horrific and he was shocked by the video but most of his rhetoric is b about thugs in the streets and law and order and get control and dominate. he has done little to try to reach out to those who feel the great pain of what has happened in this country and try to address that in a way that would

seem satisfying. >> and i'm sure, steve, that it lands like blows to everyone involved in the decades long work to hear that we have a president who sounds like george wallace. talk about republicans having nothing to say and just the tape that will live forever of them sort of you know, stumbling past the microphones with their hands in their pockets. >> i called that walk the gjere yatic shuffle. watching all these republican senators shuffle by with their hands in their pockets, nothing to say about the administration's ordering violence against peaceful protestors. not a word to be said about legendary marine corps general former secretary of defense saying that donald trump is a danger to the constitution and we see donald trump's embrace of the confederacy yet again today. he's hoisting the confederate

flag, the confederate battle flag as his campaign banner in a fundamental way. so what we see with trump is he's really historically, he's the second president of the confederacy. this is exactly what the george wallace presidency would have looked like. it would have been one of incitement and division. one of the great tragedies for the republican party, which is founded in 1854, it was f the party of the north and the west that has now become so deeply rooted in the old confederacy in the south where the scandals of the fallen south have now become the symbols of the republican party. that's historically tragic and so i think when you see donald trump's divisions and incitements, the american people are rejecting it, they're rejecting it all over the country and look demographically at how the country's changing, it's just a death nail for the republican party as they

alienate everybody except white males over the age of 70, which are the hard core, steadfast part of trump's base as it continues to shrink under pressure from his incompetent performance in the country and people are saying we can't do this four more years. >> heather, i want your thoughts on the politics and let me just add in the poll numbers what reflect what peter and steve have tuiasosoouched on. it's almost dealt trump and his republican party out of the conversation that 80% of americans want to have. in the last two weeks, american voters support for the black lives matter movement increased almost as it had in the proceeding two years by a 28-point margin. research firm civics finds that a majority of americans support the movement up from 17-point margin before the most recent wave of protests. if you go back to 2015, which

was in the wake of some whorri c horrific, tragic deaths of unarmed black men, the jump is even more significant. upwards of 25%, heather. >> this is a watershed moment in american racial history and i want to make sure that for all the sort of daily news, we step back and recognize that. we don't get opportunities like this. so often because america has not dealt with the original sin of how we were created by the stolen labor of africans and the stolen land of indigenous peoples. we haven't had a truth and reconciliation process. we've had most of our history, we have tried to minimize it to justify it, to create a wholly different narrative through lost kahl cause narratives. we have a minority of cool children understanding why we even fought the civil war. we have not dealt with this.

on monday of last week, representative barbara lee and a multiracial but all democratic group of congress people introduced a truth racial healing and transformation resolution saying that this country needs to have a commission like that that helps us get on the same page so we can finally begin to turn it. now what does that mean for the republican party? i think this pandemic of racial violence and racism within a pandemic that is so driven by forces of racism and the gutting of our public ability to come together and respond to the basic human needs, has shown that the republican party just cannot be trusted to govern this country. cannot be trusted to look out for, to care for, to show basic human decency towards most americans. and that's why you see those phenomenal numbers. for a sentiment that's really quite basic, which is that our lives matter.

>> i'm going to read you something heather in "usa today." i'll ask you to weigh in on what you think he's doing well and what you think he's not doing well. he writes this. we know the nation we want to be. now we have to deliver on this moment to achieve fundamental changes that address racial inequalities and white supremacy in our country. while i do not believe federal dollars should go to police departments violating people's rights, i do not support defund uing police. the bet e answer is to give police departments the resources they need to implement meaningful reforms and to condition other federal dollars on completing those reforms. >> so i think he's trying to walk a fine line here and he needs to actually have more of a sense of the moment. the conversation about defunding police is less about what we don't spend on and more about what we can spend on. we need to stop funding the

systems that are killing us. whether they are the police or fossil fuels and start funding the ones that will help transform this country and help nourish or people and help us all live the american dream. so when you look at how much money we spend on policing and incarceration, everyone knows the statistics of just how wildly out of control our kars rall state is and then you look at the basic human needs that american people need to thrive and to work, from child care to health care, from transportation to housing, from the afford bable of college to all of these things that are just basic and yet we are not supporting as a world class nation should. and every sing le one of those dollars is a trade off. that's the question. is where do we invest. that's what i think the conerer sags needs to be and joe biden can have that conerer sagver sa.

he needs to not get caught in a trap saying he wants to give more money to police for training. >> so it's such a remarkable moment in that i think heather's talking about an intellectual and philosophical conversation about combatting this holistically as opposed to piecemeal policies and heather please jump in if i mischaracterized that. in the senate, they said we're going to go talk to and they should, senator scott and ask him to organize some policies, but the times and it was a banner day of reporting from the times. i'm going to read one more piece of reporting from "the new york times"s. having long fashioned themselves as the party of law and order, republicans have been startled by this to which public opinion has shifted under their feet

after the killing of unared black americans. the abrupt turn has placed them on the defensive. what did they think was going to ensue, steve? >> well, the obtuseness is extraordinary. the idea that well we'll solve this issue politically by going to talk to the only black senator because he'll have a particular wisdom that alludes all of us as we sit and we observe this moment. it was remarkable that all the republican senators went into the nat lunch shortly after the ordering of the trump ordering of the attack on lafayette scare when he did his walk across to st. john's to desecrate the bible. they didn't even talk about this in the senate lunch. the subject didn't even come up. they couldn't even be more out of touch if they were doing their senate work from a space station. it's as if they're on a different planet. that they are so disconnected from what's happening in the country and so when we talk

about law and order, we should understand what that means. it doesn't mean justice. law and order is not what we saw in lafayette square when innocent protestors asserting their constitutionally protected rights were assaulted and attacked by the police. so much of the chaos we've seen on the streets has been the chaos of the state exercising violence against the citizens and so when we look at this moment, all across the country, i think people are saying we've had enough of militarized police departments. is that we want to see policemen and women dressed like barery mayberry with the combat boots bloused into the pants, the tactical gear, all of it. when the american people saw the injustice of a man's life being snuffed out over eight minutes with a knee on his neck, it was at as if the country had in this

moment said enough is enough. this isn't a conversation about law and order. a conversation about justice and when trump talks about law and order, the law and order of bow c conor r. the law and order of police dogs and vicious dogs in domination of the streets. that's not law and order. the people who bracrave law and order are the people on the streets protesting for justice. >> steve, thank you for being you. heather, the it's great to see you back at our virtual table and peter, to you, thank you for some superb reporting today and to you and all your colleagues for just about everything that made up our first conversation. when we come back, a neutral judge brought in to help find the truth in the michael flynn case essentially saying today that the attorney general of the united states has been far less than truthful. why this case is still now even farther from over.

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don't cut our students' future. [ scoffs ] are ythe weirdest. you make everyone around you crazy. people are normal then they hang out with you and then they're jack nicholson in "the shining". i'm gonna tell my mom you tried to drown me. it's an above ground pool! you're like eight feet tall! fishman. the retired judge brought in to act as a neutral ash r ttor the michael flynn case is calling the foul today on attorney general barr. you may remember last month the justice department suddenly requested its case against donald trump's former national security adviser be dropped all

together. it was a move condemned by independent legal groups, legal experts alike. the federal prosecutor working on the case quit the case. they all considered a crafted the police to president. now the independent judge tasked with evaluating that doj request to drop michael flynn's case says that yes, michael flynn did commit perjury and his guilty plea of lying to the fbi should not be dismissed but judge john gleeson called the department's dismissal quote, corrupt and quote politically motivated. from his 82-paged amicus brief. quote, the facts surrounding the filing of the government's motion constitute clear evidence of cross prosecutorial abuse. they reveal an unconvincing effort to disguise as legitimate a decision to dismiss based solely on the fact that flynn is a political ally of president trump. joining our conversation, former

chief of staff and cia and the department of defense, jeremy bass. just tell everyone why this still matters. >> it's a huge setback for barr and president trump, who is trying to throw out all the charges against mike flynn who of course in the early days of the trump presidency actually before the trump presidency, was secretly discussing with the russians how the trump administration and the russian federation, the kremlin, would koocoordinate their efforts and when he was confronted about it, he lied to federal officials. we till don't know to this day, nicole, why did mike flynn try to cover his tracks in his work with the russians. was it because donald trump told him to? and is it a fair inference that donald trump knew that flynn was doing it? after all when flynn lied to the vice president, trump didn't say he lied to me, also. apparently, mike flynn told donald trump the truth about

what he was doing, but he didn't tell the fbi and this matters a great deal because after mike flynn pled guilty and admitted in open court he had lied and committed perjury, that he had committed felony and he was prepared to be sentenced, donald trump said basically, i'm going to do a side door back door pardon of this guy because he's my political appointee and now the district court said we're not going to accept that motion by the justice department now this this ash tor is backing up the district court in that decision. >> that's the smart version. the political version seems to be that this is a judge aponte oed by a republican president who said get your corrupt bs out of my courtroom. mike flynn lied. he admitted to lying. mike flynn affirmed his confession of lying in my courtroom. a sudden change? you better go explain that. what is this, what is on a scale of one to ten, how rare is it for a judge to say there's

something amuck in my courtroom. i'm going to appoint someone from outside the two sides here to figure it out? >> with ten being the most rare, this is a 55. i mean nicole, i was a clerk for a trial judge in the district court in federal eastern district of virginia. you know you have sentencings week in, week out. multiple judges in every jur jurisdiction. this happens every day in our country where individuals plead guilty and r there are sentencin sentencings. never does the justice department come along and say do you want to drop all charges and the only reason it was done, let's be absolutely clear, because donald trump was perfectly fine with the way mike flynn was covering his tracks with the russians. it all has to do with donald trump supporting the effort to have a secret channel with the russians and supporting his guy, flynn, who did it and he never supported the fbi's prosecution of flynn. he did fire jim comey over it so this apparently is the law and

order president and in fact, he's undermining the justice department at every turn. >> what are the realistic expectations for what one federal judge can do that bob mueller really didn't accomplish? we still don't know why flynn lied. this was a mueller case. the prosecution, mike flynn, that barr is trying to weasel out of, the way he did out of mueller's initial conclusions. what are the chances that one federal judge can sort of land on the side of the rule of law in way that no one else has so far with trump and barr? >> well look, i think the judge here and this annuity arby tor. i think they can shine the light on this corruption. they can call it out. call it for what it is. but at the end of the day, donald trump could just pardon mike flynn and i actually predict that's what's going to happen. donald trump will try to get barr to do his dirty work but if

he doesn't succeed, believe me, a pardon is coming. >> unbelievable state of affairs. i hope he does that shining the light on the corruption part. thank you for spending some time with us. great to see you. after the break, does this seem like a free and fair election to you? lines to vote in georgia yesterday stretching endlessly. the voting technology failing. it all leads to an important question. are we anywhere close to ready for free and fair elections in november in for free and fair elections in novemb ier how about no no

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it is unconscionable what happened that matter of o fact, this election has been moved twice and so there was more time given and a new machine so here we are, we have new machines and we're still seeing the same old problems. >> georgia's statewide primary yesterday was a fiasco. "the new york times" reports poll workers were unable to get voting machines to work.

precincts were late to open and social distancing requirements made long lines even longer. democrats are blaming brian kemp and his secretary of state r for instituting a new system without a back up. the governor's office seems to be indicating it's an accounting problem. the full investigation. it's all a travesty, particularly given the context of the moment. voting issues raise concerns about disinfranchisement particularly among african-americans. black communities experienced some of the worst problems yesterday. of course they did. an executive director of the new georgia project put it simply quote, it's a hot flaming bleeping mess. joining us now, matt miller, kimberly atkins, and joel payne. kim, to you first. what can be done. eyes wide open. we know what's going on.

how can we fix it before november? >> well, what we're seeing here is the failure to fix things. when the opportunity was given. this was a con fluns of a different, a bunch of different problems. we're still in the middle of a pandemic. we still are have covid-19 so r there are fewer poll workers. you have implementing these new voting machines in a place where until a support decision in 2013, he would have had the justice department requirement that changes in voting procedures be precleared through the justice system to screen out the potential of any sort of voter disenfranchisement in places that have f a history of voter suppression. you had an opportunity in congress with back to covid-19 to bolster election protections and to bolster the ability of people to carry out elections during the pandemic. it's something that republicans in congress passed on.

and then you have this massive turnout in part due to the events of the last several weeks when the country is grappling with police brutality and what to do about criminal justice reform. so it was a perfect storm of problems. some of which may have had had to do with voter suppression and some may have been an attempt to carry out an election during a pandemic. but it bodes badly either way to november, which is just five months away, to get these problems together and it's something that folks like stacey abrams have been warning about for years now and these warnings were not heeded in georgia. >> matt miller, i was anchoring on the pry nair mare night in texas and same long line. same perfect storm minus the pandemic in a national and

international movement for racial for racial justice. there were the same scenes i'll add one more variable. donald trump wears his desires to suppress a vote out loud. >> that's right. look, the b problems we saw yesterday a lot of them are easy to solve. the problem someone of the parties in the united states looks at yesterday, sees it as an enormous challenge and the republican party looks at what happened and sees it as success. kimberly laid it out well. you have a problem that's been long standing, where the republican party long before donald trump but he takes it to another level as we does with so many traits of the republican party. the republican party has made it a core platform of theirs to make it harder for people to vote. then when you add the practical problem caused by the pandemic, where you have election workers who have volunteers, maybe understandably are elderly and don't want to come and staff the polls now. you have absentee ballots being

requested that jurisdictions aren't equipped to handle. you have these practical problems that would be easy to sol and a couple of weeks ago, democrats in the house tried to add billions of dollars in election funding to solve the problem, but again, really where the idea logical problems comes into place where republicans don't want to do that. they look at the way things are going and i do believe the republican party thinks the only way they can win in november is to make it harder for people of color to vote. not just in georgia, but all across the country. >> joel, it's not an original thought, i'm going to botch his eloquent tweet, he basically said that if this were an a election in another country, we would send in poll watchers. i mean the world has watched us badly botch coronavirus in our response there. this is his other observation

that stacey abrams would have won a free and fair election to be governor of georgia. i'm going to give you time to respond to ben's observations x but just take on everything that's been thrown out there. that we have an urgent sort of motivating force and we have a president who's made it abundantly clear that he doesn't, you know, he doesn't want you to be able to vote by mail. he's going to call out voter fraud. he's already trying to undermine the results in november. >> well, nicole shlg matt has it right. republicans see this as an opportunity and that's the part that's so disappointing here. you know, i'm struck by all the activists we've seen and the energy we've seen in the streets the last two weeks and part of why those folks in the streets have little faith in the system and institutional remedies is because of what we saw in georgia yesterday. we saw people being disenfranchised on tv and it's no wonder why foebs who have

spent the last two weeks screaming bloody murder, which was what it was for george floyd, it's no wonder why they've lost complete faith in any body of government, in any don't boo a vote. vote in yolocal elections, et s rachlt because they get disenfranchised. gerrymandered out of their rights. so again, this is a strategy by republicans and i think that we have to call it out and we have to continue to put on pressure to make sure this president, this is not an accident. it's something he wanted to happen and what he saw yesterday was his plan come to life. >> do you realize that if it had been a free and fair election, abrams would have won? >> i do and you have to lock at what a free and fair election really is. it doesn't just mean we have elections in this country.

this has been a systemic problem. dwaz georgia under relationship leadership has e eliminated hundreds of polling places. they've made it much harder for african-americans to vote than for white people to vote. this started, goes back to the john roberts supreme court and the voting rights act. a law that can be put back into place quickly if republicans in congress were willing to do so. if they did, states like georgia wouldn't be able to eliminate preclearance from the justice department. what we saw in georgia yesterday is what they want to see happen in communities of color all across the country. not just in november, but every year. >> kim, i saw you nodding. do you think there's any remote possibility that these issues could get swept into the conversation being led at this point primarily or exclusively by democrats around other issues involving racial injustices.

>> well, if past is prolong, these issues have been brought up before and no action has been taken. i think that the chief justice being a smart man when he made that ruling saying that congress can fix this formula, he threw out the formula on the basis that the kind of disenfranchisement, voter disenfranchisement we saw in the civil rights era was happening anymore. i think that's untrue. but he said that congress can fix it, knowing that the partisan, the partisan environment, there was no way congress was going to fix that. certainly not with republicans in control of either chamber of the congress. so we'll have to see. i don't have a lot of faith in anything will happen between now and then just because of how things have been done before and president trump's attack saying things like voting by mail is

fraud fraudulent and we know what side he's on and republicans have been following in line with his message. >> we also know that he himself votes by mail as does his press secretary tear and a lot of his staff. thank you both for spending time with us. after the break, the white house and maybe the justice department versus john bolton. the president's former national security adviser who is on the verge of publishing a tell all. today, the trump administration saying whoa, hang on a second. not so fast. the latest fight over state secrets. that's next. fight over state s.cret that's next. at leaf blowers.

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visit a store or go to t-mobile.com/55. the white house is still battling today with former national security adviser, john bolton. remember him? over his new book the rumor it happened. the book stribed as a white house memoir details his account of serving president trump. they first scheduled the release in mid march and it didn't happen. it's again under fire for this time possibly containing classified information that the white house u is saying could be a national security threat. "the new york times" writes this. mr. bolton has told associates he believes he's made changes to the book that accommodate the concerns and that the white house is cruising the claims of classified information as a way of keeping frit the public. joining us now, washington correspondent for the "new york times," mike. what do we know about what the

white house doesn't want out that bolton has written about? >> well, apparently, it's a lot. for many years now, if you were in the government, you could write a book about your experience. you had to go through a process where they would look at it for classified information. what bolton is essentially saying today is that he has gone through that process and gone to great lengths and despite that, this white house will not work with him and is making claims that information is classified to simply shut him up and stop him from talking. his lawyer, chuck cooper, just put out an op-ed in "the wall street journal" with these pain staking run down of how much time bolton spent trying to work with white house officials on looking at the manuscript and coming up with ways to put it out.

laying it out almost as if it was a legal brief and you can see it forming here a first amendment showdown between the national security adviser, being told he can't publish it and the president. and to make it all the more i guess current, these books that a the white house says are classified, for shipped where he had to the seller. so they were sitting in warehouses across the country. is the white house's claim there's classified information in there are indeed true, they certainly are claim thag, that means there's thousands of pieces, thousands of books with classified information just sitting in boxes. >> this is so interesting. this is a fight fought on the right. the far right and the true right. if you will. who would, who would prosecute john bolton if someone decided to charge him with publishing classified information? >> well, there's only one place that does that and that's the justice department. and i assume that bolton would

be under the same circumstances as anyone else. if you divulge classified information, you can be prosecuted for that. we've seen a lot of that in the that i guess could be the problem here. we know that trump has talked about prosecuting the people he does not like and that he wants to go after. he does not want this book to come out. he's told people that. he is willing to do that. he says the book can come out after he leaves office. and so it's a potential showdown here. what will trump do? will trump sort of allow the book to go and ignore it or will it turn into something bigger? >> matt miller, my bird dog has more restraint than donald trump. no way he let's it go. let me throw two pieces of context in. what we know about the book we know from reporting and a couple

of paid speeches. he paints a picture of a corrupt president and a stupid president. is there a greater chance the revelations make him look corrupt and stupid than classified? >> i think we already know a lot of the corruption john bolton would report. all of the information about the president with respect to ukraine we already know, based on some reporting that mike and maggie haberman have done. stupidity, i am sure many more episodes that govern his conduct in office as the books come out. that's kind of the point here about how and why the white house is abusing its power. classification review process is only to be used to prevent publication of classified secrets. regulations are explicit, it can't be used to block publication of material that's merely embarrassing to the president or to anyone else in

government. so i think it is a bit ironic that the president is abusing his power to keep from being published a book that will reveal presumably more accounts how he abused power with respect to the ukraine scandal. >> it is so interesting. thank you both for jumping on, spending time to discuss it. after the break, celebrating two lives very well lived. two lives very well lived. ♪ things are getting clearer, yeah i feel free ♪ ♪ to bare my skin ♪ yeah that's all me. ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand ♪ ♪ nothing on my skin ♪ that's my new plan. ♪ nothing is everything. keep your skin clearer with skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. of those, nearly 9 out of 10 sustained it through 1 year. and skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. ♪ i see nothing in a different way ♪ ♪ and it's my moment so i just gotta say ♪ ♪ nothing is everything skyrizi may increase your risk of infections

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