doctor, thank you for helping us to understand this tonight. that does it for me. i'm stephanie ruhle. i'll see you again right here at 9:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. and don't go away. we've got a lot to cover here tonight on msnbc. good evening. i'm joy reid. well, more than two weeks after george floyd died under the knee of a minneapolis police officer, the momentum for police reform is only growing. and that momentum was on full display in washington today. a short time ago, the brother of george floyd joined protesters outside of st. john's church, on newly renamed black lives matter plaza in washington, d.c. the same place donald trump held his bible photo-op last week. this morning, testifying a day after burying his brother, floyd

spoke emotionally about his brother, who, because of a witness with a cell phone who happened to be present, was killed on camera so that the whole world would eventually witness it, too. and he echoed calls for police reform across the country. >> i can't tell you the kind of pain you feel when you watch something like that. when you watch your big brother, who you looked up to your whole entire life, die, die begging for his mom, i'm tired. i'm tired of pain. pain you feel when you watch something like that. i'm here to ask you to make it stop. stop the pain. stop us from being tired. >> the hearing comes days after house democrats unveiled sweeping legislation to overhaul policing. south carolina senator tim scott is taking a lead for republicans on the issue. he's expected to release his plan later in the week. according to "the new york times," republicans were caught off guard by public support for

police reform, and privately, republican lawmakers and aides conceded they had few proposals ready to offer. of course, there's always the forever wild card, donald trump. senior administration official told nbc news he plans to address police reform during a visit to dallas tomorrow. officials told nbc trump has stressed to aides it's important to him to keep most of the law enforcement community on board with whatever policing reforms the white house proposes. the press secretary said the white house is finalizing their plan. >> the president is looking at various proposals, and i would say this president has done a whole lot more than democrats have ever done when it comes to rectifying injustices. >> in minneapolis, one of the three former police officers who is charged with aiding and abetting was released on bail.

the minneapolis police chief released changes proposed, and announced he would end contract negotiations with the police union. >> this work must be transformational but i must do it right. there's nothing more debilitating to a chief from an employment matter perspective than when you have grounds to terminate an officer for misconduct and you're dealing with a third party mechanism that allows for that employee to not only be back on your department, but to be patrolling in your communities. >> for more, i'm joined by congress m congressman which heard from george floyd's brother today. and jonathan la mere, white house reporter. congressman, how did it feel to hear the brother of george floyd speak to us today and what about you, what about that testimony do you think might change the way things are? >> good to be with you, joy. it was a really important day.

and i would encourage every one of your viewers to watch his testimony in full online. it was incredible powerful and we were so grateful that he was willing to join the committee and share his perspective after memorializing his brother. i thought his testimony was quite moving in particular as he talked about wanting to make sure that his big brother, george floyd's death, was not in vain. so as we reflect where we are today, i will tell you, not with standing, i'm hopeful that we are going to enact those sweeping reforms that you described at the top of your program. ultimately, i think the hearing today was very important in that regard. >> and just to give you a few for the viewers, this is some of what is in the bill, called the justice in policing act. it bans chokeholds and no-knock warrants for drug cases. it would create a federal misconduct registry so that people who committed misconduct can't just move from department

to department. eliminates qualified immunity for law enforcement. requires local police departments to send use of force data and makes lynching a federal crime. that all seems rather logical. joe biden today had an op-ed where he talked about police reform. he said he opposes reducing federal police budgets. he says while i do not believe federal dollars should go to police departments violating people's rights or turn to violence as the first resort, i do not support defunding police. the better answer is to give police officers the resources they need. e resources they need. >> congressman, some of these police departments are taking up already 40%, 30% of the budget at municipalities. to you agree with joe biden that more money should be given to them when there are already so many problems with the money they have? >> well, look, i read that

editorial you mentioned. what i would say is from what i've seen the vice president has put out a fairly bold set of reforms in terms of what he would imagine policing to be in the ways in which we can improve policing and address police brutality. and the fact that he is calling out that we need to invest in other areas to address some of the substantial inequities that still exist in our country, in terms of investing in african-american entrepreneurship, addressing the home ownership gap and issues we both care deeply about. civil governments are having the debate you're describing in terms of the investments that they want to make in core public services. but i will just tell you from my perspective, given the conversation today, there's strong bipartisan consensus to enact those sweeping reforms that you described. and it's hard to overstate just

how impactful some of those reforms, such as eliminating the chokehold and the national registry to prevent officers from being hired by other agencies who have committed misconduct. pattern of practice being initiated. those are important reforms, the reforms of a generation. so i think that's where our focus is going to be. >> okay. let me hold you. i want to bring in the police chief of charlottesville, virginia. police unions are quite powerful. you've had the minneapolis mayor say he's suspending negotiations. it can be very difficult for mayors to get any changes at all because of the power of those unions. do you believe that federal -- that a federal law is needed in order to give, including yourself, chiefs, the power to, for instance, get rid of officers who have serial misconduct on their records?

>> so thank you, joy, for having me. i appreciate it. i think that this is much more nuanced than what we're saying. so when the police says, he's no longer going to negotiate, what we haven't parsed is that he doesn't have the authority not to negotiate. minnesota is a binding arbitration state in which their state has said that there are these essential employees who are designated as essential, that cannot strike, and that you must enter negotiations with them. so ultimately, it's for the legislator to change the binding arbitration concept so that you can renegotiate a social contract with your policing agencies and not necessarily a formal contract. >> but let me ask you this, the way -- from the police point of view, given the power that police have, given the fact that they essentially have the sayability to kill and at least

per the supreme court, can walk away from that, there's not a lot the public can do it. they're often not even found guilty when that misconduct winds up as a court case. given the amount of power police have, do police understand that power has to come with oversight, that they should be scrutinized? >> so absolutely. and not only should they understand that, they should understand that their power and authority comes from the people. it's not just legislated, it comes from the people. and that gives us our ultimate authority. what we also need to really just address is the stigma that our police culture has when you have officers who have been engaged in misconduct or when there has been police violence, police brutality, police murders, public executions of individuals, is that our culture

ostracizes those individuals who speak up against those types of behaviors. there's a lot of power that we wield, the power literally of life and death. this should be a profession highly scrutinized and highly supported if this is the type of policing entity that we want here in the united states. >> yeah. let me bring in jonathan. this is some video that a lot of people have seen out there. this is donald trump speaking to police and the way he thinks they should behave. >> when you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just see them thrown in, rough, i said please don't be too nice. like when you guys put somebody in the car and you're protecting their head, you know. [ applause ]

>> that was back in 2017. you can hear police smirking and laughing. you can see them laughing and smiling behind him. you just had in tulsa, oklahoma, where donald trump will do his first speech back out on the road, in tulsa, where the tulsa massacre took place. he'll do that on a very significant day. here's a major, a police major named travis yates on police shootings of black people. this is what he was quoted as saying. this is mr. yates on a radio show. you get this meme of blacks are shot 2 1/2 times more, and everybody just goes oh, yeah, they're not making sense here. you have to come into contact with law enforcement for that to occur. so when you look at law enforcement contact, a certain group is committing more crimes or violent crimes and law enforcement having to come to -- into more contact with them, then that number is going to be higher.

who in the world in their right mind would think that our shootings would be right along in the u.s. census lines? all of the research says we're shooting african-americans about 24% less than we probably ought to be based on the crimes being committed. so the attitude of police, which i think black folks are used to at this point, what does it mean when the president of the united states encourages that kind of attitude? what do you expect out of that speech in tulsa, sir? >> well, first of all, i'll note, joy, it's more than just a speech, it's a rally. the president's first campaign rally since he had to put them on pause because of the coronavirus pandemic. that's going to be a night where we all watch as you lay the stakes out plainly and powerfully there for when he's in town. in terms of tomorrow, he's going to be in dallas. and he's expected to be having a fund-raiser and now they added this roundtable with law enforcement officers, community leaders, faith leaders to talk

about law enforcement and also inequality in american culture. now, to this point, of course, the president has largely steered clear of the racism debate. he's time and again aligned himself with law enforcement. in fact, one of his senior advisers, larry kudlow today said he did not believe that america had a systematic problem with racism in law enforcement or in society. the president to this point has focused on, as we know, keeping order on the streets, projecting american might, focusing on the small percentage of protesters who have engaged in violence. there's been a debate within the west wing in the last week or so whether or not he should give a speech about race in america, but more advisers than not, and the president himself opted against feeling like they didn't feel like it would change the equation. so tomorrow in a less formal event, he will speak about it. it's not clear what he will propose. there's top of executive order

on race, perhaps supporting what the republicans in the senate are trying to put together. but it will be modest at most. the president is not expected to lend a lot of support to sweeping reform of the police department. he has enjoyed their support and wants to continue to have their support going into november's election. >> people used to call it giuliani time. donald trump is much like rudy giuliani in the way he ran new york. chief, does that translate down to officers when they know they have the support of donald trump, and he's encouraging as much brutality as they can get in because these are others they are policing. does that make a difference in the way that police behave? >> so absolutely. in an email exchange i had with the national president of the

nicp in march, i challenged him why we weren't pushing back against an administration who encourages basically barbaric and brutal behaviors. i think what it is, we now are having a reckoning where the public is saying we are going to dismantle a barbaric and brutally efficient criminal processing enterprise, which we currently rammed as a criminal justice system. it pushes down when people hear that from the highest levels that it is sanctioned and it is okay, and when it is then signed off by a department of justice who says we will take a hands off approach. as a matter of fact, undue consent decrees for those agencies who have had patterns and practices of abuse, it signals it's okay to continue with the way in which you engage communities, because there's no value to their lives. >> yeah, go back and google what the giuliani era was like for

black people in new york, vis-a-vie the police. it will seem very, very familiar with what you're seeing now. thank you all very much. coming up, by now we all know that donald trump has a problem with powerful women. especially women who stand up to him. well, one of his recent targets, the mayor of washington, d.c., painted black lives matter in big, bold letters on the street leading to the white house. and renamed the street leading to jump's front door black lives matter plaza. the mayor joins me next. georgia's election catastrophe. broken machines, people waiting in line for hours to cast their ballots. how much of this is negligence, and how much is voter suppression? the mayor of atlanta, keisha lance bottoms joins me. we've got so much more to get to. stay with us. stay with us

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okay. now we are back with the washington, d.c. mayor, mayor bowser. we've got you back. thank you so much for being here. before the break, i was reading through a little bit of a politico piece that talked about some of the personal struggles that guardsmen have been having about really feeling used by the president when they were deployed to washington, d.c. do you believe that there should be an investigation into that day and what happened? >> i do. and i think americans are going to demand it. we saw with our own eyes

peaceful protesters cleared from in front of the white house for what appeared to be only the president's trip across the street. and what we also need to know and be very clear about is how and whose orders those federal police officers were following. and we need to know that so that it never happens again. not in our city or not in a state or any city in the united states of america. >> and the troops have been removed from washington, d.c. do you think that to be blunt the president was shook by your demand that those troops be removed? >> well, i think that his stunt backfired. i think they made very clear, i think you showed a tweet from him early on where he threatened to release vicious dogs on the people of the united states in washington, d.c.

i think they made up their mind then that they were going to use washington, d.c. as theater, to put on a show for the rest of the united states so that other american mayors and governors would fall in line. and what happened instead is the american -- sent a very clear message that in the united states of america, you have the right to peacefully protest. >> and can i just show you -- i hope you can see this. this is the walls that have been built in front of the white house. we know that donald trump utilized the bunker and that he was certainly afraid of the protesters and so had hid at one point. this is the fence at the white house. for you as a black woman, to hear the president of the united states threaten to sick vicious dogs on americans, sort of bull connor, george wallace style, to

put up a fence in front of the people's house, just viscerally for you, how does that read to you when you hear it? >> well, viscerally for me, the statement about the vicious dogs was intentional. i think that it was meant to send a message to many, many americans, many people that i represent, my family and friends, who lived through those days. and it was a triggering moment i think for them, and as me as a person who wasn't even alive during those days, but i know my history. i recently did the pilgrimage with john lewis where i had to rewalk those steps that so many of our civil rights leaders walked. and to hear in 2020 the threat of vicious dogs being released on the people of washington, d.c. shook me to our core. they claim they brought in the military because of unrest, but they decided that day they were

going to bring in the military as a show of force, in my view, in my opinion. >> yeah. i want to let you listen to senator mitch mcconnell of kentucky, and he had some specific accusations about you and what he says is a double standard during the pandemic about being out of doors. take a listen. >> here in the district of columbia, the mayor celebrates massive street protests. she actually joins them herself. but on her command, churches and houses of worship remain shut. apparently while protests are now permissible, prayer is still too dangerous. >> i'll just let you comment on that. >> well, i think the senator is very familiar with the white house's reopening plan. it's a phased reopening plan. it follows data and science. the president was there when it was presented by dr. birx and

dr. fauci. and we are following a phased reopening plan in washington, d.c. and we are in phase one. we're reopening our city safely and according to the science. now, first amendment protests and large gatherings are not the same. and that's why we don't see our cities opened up to all of the massive events. now, in the united states -- >> and very quickly -- >> -- the people can protest. >> yeah, very quickly before i let you go, the d.c. city council has toughened policies on officer hirings and discipline. this is part of the police reforms across the country. the emergency legislation, including a ban on the use of rubber bullets or chemical irritants. it passed with a veto proof majority yesterday, despite you urging lawmakers to slow down and hold a hearing. do you support those reforms?

>> i will sign the emergency legislation that our council passed. and i will ask them to make sure that my agencies and the public have time to weigh in on other measures that are included in the emergency before the permanent takes place. >> mayor muriel bowser, thank you very much. apologies for the technical difficulties. thank you. up next, the primary election catastrophe in georgia. election catastrophe in georgia. usaa was made for right now. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do. we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can take care of things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. right now is the time to take care of what matters most. like we've done together, so many times before. discover all the ways we're helping members at usaa.com/coronavirus

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welcome back. it was utter chaos for georgia voters in yesterday's primary election. as the "atlanta journal-constitution" summed it up, "complete meltdown." one official told reporters everything that could happen or go wrong has gone wrong so far. that includes new voting machines that were either missing or not working. polling sites failing to open on

time and running out of backup ballots. and fewer polling places and a shortage of workers because of the pandemic. that led to massive lines with people waiting up to six hours to cast their vote, especially in largely african-american communities. despite all that, people were willing to wait it out even in the heat and pouring rain. you ,

you know, voter outreach person in the country. even you were talking about and, you know, saying that even you were having challenges in terms of making sure that, you know, as you looked at that vote, it did not look like it was going along -- either it was planned to be wrong, or it was just not being done right. you tweeted about your own voting experience. lebron james responded to it. let me read his tweet. everyone is talking about how do we fix this? they say go out and vote. what about asking if how we vote is also structurally racist. the tweet he was responding to was by you, latasha, that says three hours to vote today in georgia. and then drove over to predominantly white vote polling site at atl suburbs.

i came over to this side of town, white folks are strolling in. on my side of the town, we brought stadium chairs. what is going on in georgia in your view? >> it was so clear to me. i was shocked to be honest. i was shocked at what i saw. there were no tents, no water, no preparation, because there seemed like there was no concern that they would have problems there. however, on the south side, what we saw is many advocacy groups, because we knew there would be problems. to the extent which they were, we had no idea it would be a colossal failure, particularly in light that we had a pandemic. so i think that's something really awkward about what is happening right now. there's something that there is an intentionality around it. that the state spent $102 million on purchasing new machines, but yet we heard the same old problems. not enough machines, problem that we started receiving around -- people didn't have --

there were reports that some of the machines ran out of paper, that the scanner you were putting your ballot is was not working. so this kind of investment for the state, and the machines not only didn't get better, but it was worse. a group of edadvocacy organizations said the last voter was at 12:36 a.m. technically that's wednesday. so what was really interesting is here is a process, the secretary of state had complete authority over oversight. his job is to make sure there are effective elections. he failed miserably. so to have the audacity to say he's going to launch an investigation and blame it on the poll workers, who calmed us down to be able to accommodate us. it's really interesting, because it reminds me of this republican strategy they continue to use, where they defleshgct the blamed

say that it's someone else, when squarely, he has one responsibility. and that is to oversee and to make sure there is an efficient and effective election process. and he failed miserably. >> and you know, this sounds exactly like the experience in florida, where the governor turns around, the secretary of state says well, it's the fault of the local democratic elected officials. we'll replace them, blame them. it is just similar to florida. the brennan center released a report that found the 2018 -- in 2018, voters of color waited longer to vote than white voters. latino voters waited almost 46% longer. i want each of you to comment on donald trump. this is a bit of a turn, but as women who come from the south, i'm curious to see what your response is to trump's tweet that he will not allow the changing of confederate names of u.s. army bases. he tweeted, my administration will not even consider the renaming of these -- he called

them magnificent and fabled military installations, our history, bla, bla, bla. i don't have to read the rest of it. your thoughts, latosh snarvegs >> i'll just say a couple of things. one, he has -- he has all of the -- what points to be a fascist. secondly, it's not his -- his days are numbered. so i think ultimately, his days are numbered, and it speaks to how racist he is. it speaks to how he's insensitive to what is happening in this country. there's a conversation where there are uprisings in 50 states in this country, yet he comes out with this kind of rhetoric, but his days are numbered. >> very quickly, keisha lance bottoms, we are running out of time, but i want to

welcome back. according to data from "the new york times," new cases of the coronavirus are increasing in 20 states. more alarming, however, is that according to "the washington post," "hospitalizations in at least nine states have been on the rise since memorial day. with a handful of states also nearing bed capacity." this comes as the total number of americans who have tested positive has now surpassed 2 million. and yet, as politico points out, the white house has gone silent amid this ongoing crisis. the coronavirus task force scaled back its once daily internal meeting and gathering twice per week. i'm joined now by dr. joseph fair. doctor, great to see you.

very relieved to see you. i need to ask first how you're doing. i know you're also recovering from covid-19. so let me ask you how you're doing. >> i'm doing well. i'm three weeks out. the first week was kind experie. but three weeks out, i'm more or less back to normal. i have been very lucky. i have been out exercising and testing my lung capacity, and i seem to be okay. >> yeah. you might actually be the $6 million man because you have already been through ebola and survived. we will have to look into that and see if you might be that guy. does it worry you when you look at all of these scenes of protests, of the church services. there have been three for george floyd, and you see all these people gathered, some with masks, some without. do you worry that this could become another, you know, two weeks from now we'll talk about more people experiencing what

you did. >> absolutely. we always see two weeks later, right? that's where we see timing-wise when everyone was exposed and what happens. so i think two weeks later is when we'll know, obviously, if we're going to see more cases. but as you noted, we've seen increasing cases in 20 states, and that's just 20 now. but as the country continues to open up around different parts of the country and we relax social distancing, we've got protests, as you mentioned, church services, all these people coming together. we don't see any decline in the virus so far. so we haven't seen that seasonal dip we had hoped for at least as of yet. so right now we're seeing at least a steady rise and then we're going to see more i think with these mask gatherings. >> we already know that per nbc news in washington, d.c., the d.c. based national guard members who were forced to go out and respond to the protests, some of them have now tested positive for covid-19. we have even donald trump's own task force report that the

number of -- they warned governors of covid spikes tied to the protests. so that is definitely concerning. >> yes. >> what can people do if they are taking advantage of these protests that they're not dying down? what should people be doing? >> well, first of all, if you are going to go physically out to the protests yourselves, rather than participating on the online platforms, make sure you are doing the masks and doing everything we talked about. looking at the scene you are playing right now, there is no social distancing there. but at least protect yourself as much as you can, if you are going to choose to be out there. but know by choosing to be out there, you are at a much greater risk than you would be if you were social distancing and saying six feet or more away and doing the things we talked about previously. >> there is a story that detained migrants say they were forced to clean covid-infected ice facility in arizona. so the kind of abuse that's now

being tied to it. you have the meat packing workers who were forced to go in. you know, what do you make of those kinds of stories? >> you know, honestly, globally, that is the pattern with what we see with these kind of emerging infectious disease. they're almost always tied to socio-economic status. poor people always get infected more because they have to do the hard jobs. they have to do the jobs that nobody else wants to do. when people have the privilege of staying at home and working from home, these people were still going to work, they were still cutting your meat, they were still cleaning the facilities and to forth. so that being said, it is always the poorer that are going to suffer more from infectious disease. >> yeah. yeah. and it doesn't help if people are being abused as they are migrants and being detained and don't have a choice. very glad you are back. >> likewise. >> thank you so much. and up next, some good news courtesy of my favorite dictionary. stay with us. stay with us you hear that?

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kennedy had a series of disagreements in the wake of george floyd's murder on the definition of racism, including people quoting the dictionary definition at her to try and talk her down. in a facebook post she wrote, it's not just disliking someone because of their race. this current fight we are in is evidence of that, lives are at stake because of the systems of oppression that go hand-in-hand with racism. webster's current definition of racism is a brief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities. she found that to be inadequate, so she e-mailed meriam-webster and the editors e-mailed her back. they have agreed to update the definition and to add that racism isn't just ugly feelings or feelings of superiority, it is a doctrine designed to put those beliefs into policy and practice with the intent of

oppressing a group of people. lots of americans, frankly, lots of white americans are having discussions that they never thought they would have to have about race and racism and whether and how they have played a part in a 400-year system of white supremacy in this country. that includes a reflexive use of the police to control and, yes, to oppress black and brown people to keep white americans from feeling afraid. it is an issue that there is a lot more agreement about across racial lines today, and there is also more agreement that there has been certainly in my lifetime that this is indeed a crisis and that that tipping point was reached, thanks to an unintentional martyr named george floyd. the 22-year-old who helped make this change possible, you can tune into the rachel maddow show tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern. thanks so much for being with

us. don't go anywhere. "all in" with chris hayes is up next. nascar bans the confederate flag, and the president defends the confederacy. it's america 2020. the coronavirus still raging. 21 states now seeing a surge in cases and trump's own task force raising new alarms. the pandemic that hasn't gone anywhere. plus, stacy abrams is here on george's spectacular voting failure. and heather mcgee on the seismic shift in american views on racism when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. the coronavirus is not gone, and worst of that in some places it looks to be roaring back. things have gotten much better in new york and new jersey and many others. but in many states things have gotten much worse. and you wouldn't know that if you listened to the white house. donald trump does not like bad news, he doesn't like to