♪ and a good afternoon in the east. good morning out west. i'm chuck todd. here are the latest headlines. two major stories right now both related to the aftermath of the death of george floyd. house speaker nancy pelosi is calling for the removal of confederate statues from capitol hill and discuss possible legislation to strip confederate names from military bases. for what it's worth, usually it's states that have some governance of those statues inside the capitol. so that actually -- that might be more complicated than the legislation to change the names of the military bases, by the way. while the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff is apologizing for taking part in a photo op after peaceful

protesters were violently cleared from outside the white house. first, a new report on weekly jobless claims shows 1.5 million americans filed for unemployment insurance for the first time last week. despite widespread business reopenings, it is obviously fewer than the week before, but 1.5 is still a lot in nearly 2 1/2 times our all-time pre-pandemic record. all of this comes as the united states reaches another grim milestone surpassing 2 million cases of the virus. at least nine states have reported a spike in hospitalizations since memorial day. joining me for the two hours is my co-anchor katy tur as we get right to the news. she and i have been discussing this. it's a busy, busy day today. a lot of different -- a lot of different subjects to touch. america's top general is apologizing for his role in the st. john's church photo op, with president trump. general mark milley was seen walking with the president.

here's what of what he said in an address to the national defense university. >> i should not have been there. my presence in that moment and in that environment created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics. >> that comes amid a new dispute between the white house and lawmakers of the removal of this country's historically racism symbols. they voted to approve an amendment that would require the pentagon to rename military bases and assets named for confederate generals. a republican-controlled senate, by the way. hours later, president trump rejected the idea tweeting in part, my administration will not consider the renaming of these magnificent and fabled military installations. joining us from capitol hill is nbc's kasie hunt. for what it's worth, it was one of those -- there were dual announcements in the last 48 hours regarding confederate symbols. one from nascar and one from the

u.s. army. and i was curious which one the president would focus on. i had a feeling it would be the army. >> it certainly seems that way, chuck. you know, you're right to point out that this amendment, which is to the overall broad ndaa which authorizes all the funding for the defense department, came from a republican-held senate. of course, the armed services committee is historically actually a pretty bipartisan place. what happens there doesn't always break down along party lines. there are a lot of state interests, as you referred to, and as you know very well. but there was not very much objection to this. it happened in executive session. it was a voice vote. we're relying on members to tell us how they voted. josh holley of missouri voted against this plan that would essentially mandate all of these bases change their names within three years. they want to create a commission that will allow for some input from local governments and

others and there definitely are some concerns about, you know, this is obviously a pretty big undertaking. you were showing highway signs to ft. bragg. think about all the things that would have to change. but the fact that this went through -- sailed through, really, the way that it did, it tells you just what kind of moment -- it's another piece of evidence of how much is changing in this moment. >> i have to say, it does feel like at least on confederate symbols, and it's symbolic, but it feels like that's a symbol there's a larger and larger group of bipartisan agreement on those. kasie hunt getting us started, thanks very much. katy, over to you. >> chuck, right now president trump is on his way to dallas where he's expected to address police reform. the trip comes after the president announced he will hold his first rally since the coronavirus outbreak and the date and location are making people scratch their heads angering a lot of people as well. the rally is set for june 19th, a holiday that commemorates the end of slavery known as

juneteenth. it will take place in tulsa, oklahoma, a city the site of one of the worst race massacres, the worst race massacre in american history. in 1921, a white mob killed hundreds of black residents and destroyed the once-thriving business community. joining us is msnbc political reporter monica alba from dallas. monica, let's focus on what we're going to see next week. is the campaign or the administration giving you any idea of why they picked tulsa and why they picked june 19th? >> i have to tell you, katy, this seemed to catch the campaign off guard when the president announced it himself yesterday. for so many weeks and months now we've been talking about when the president gets back to the trail, what that will look like. and now that he announced next friday, they are eyeing a venue, but they haven't finalized anything. and that's really also because of coronavirus concerns. but i want to read you a portion

of a statement the campaign did end up releasing late last night that speaks to the date and historic significance. from katrina pearson. she says, as the party of lincoln, republicans are proud of the history of juneteenth, which is the anniversary of the last reading of the emancipation proclamation. they haven't physically announced where this is taking place. is it going to be outdoors, indoors, how many people will be allowed to attend. and what will be the social distancing measures that will be enforced. will they be requiring face masks. what is the cdc guidance that will be at play there. and this also comes as the president is choosing oklahoma to go there because they are in a more advanced phase of reopening. and that's also part of why he's here in dallas today. he's been itching to get back on the trail, and he's going to be holding a multimillion-dollar fundraiser tonight at a private home after that roundtable with local law enforcement and faith leaders where he's expected to bring in nearly $10 million. that will be his first campaign

fundraiser in almost 12 weeks, katy. >> monica alba in dallas, thank you very much. i was talking to a trump world source. they were saying a law and order message is a winning message, the same way they were saying in 2016. and this source was telling me they are saying you are completely missing the moment. you do not understand what is going on around you, and the president is coming off as totally tone deaf, imploring them to try and convince him to inject some nuance into his messaging about race relations, about law enforcement. but even this source who goes back years with the president admits that the president -- nuance is not his thing. it's not what he does. >> you know, it's possible that his -- he has a very long history on the issue of race. and he always comes down on the same side on different types of

these debates. perhaps at some point this isn't about messaging or something like that. hey, i want to make one other point since we brought up tulsa. this just happened this week, but russell westbrook who used to play for the oklahoma city thunder, now the houston rockets, he is working on -- he's going to help produce a documentary about those 1921 riots in tulsa that is expected to come out, i think, when the 100th anniversary is marked next year. just thought i'd throw that out there. later today, legislation that would limit no-knock warrants goes up for vote. it would prevent the series of events that led to the shooting death of breonna taylor who was killed in a police raid on her apartment in march. there are growing calls for more on what happened the night of her death. they released a virtually blank incident report. they announced themselves before entering. cal perry is in louisville for

us. cal, i guess we should give the local police credit for releasing this report, and at least admitting that they just had no documentation about any of this whatsoever. >> yeah, most of the report is absolutely blank. it's a joke. and when you look at some of the lies that are in there, they said they didn't force entry into that apartment. they nailed that door with a battering ram. it's hard to understand how those officers put together that report with no details saying there would be an investigation into the death of this unarmed woman. it's hard to explain. we've heard city officials, including the mayor say this just shows the lack of transparency. when you look at louisville, you have to remember a week ago sunday, a man was shot and killed, 53 years old, on the other side of town. he was shot and killed by a member of the national guard that was out on the street that night. so there's dual investigations happening in this city. all the while we expect breonna's law to pass tonight. that would bring an end to the

no-knock raids. we heard the mayor say they were suspended but that should bring an end to that officially. it's just one small step being made here in policing and how the policing is done in this city. these no-knock raids, when police are not announcing their presence and going into these apartments. from somebody from northern virginia, you come down here and see this as a constitutional right to carry state, it reminds you of how many people have weapons. and a lot of people are talking about that. how smart it is to carry out these no-knock raids when you have so many guns in a city. we do expect that legislation to pass around 6:00 p.m., chuck. >> no, and, cal, you hear this from police officers who at times are nervous how many guns are in circulation legally as well. so that is an issue that you sometimes have -- you have folks on different sides of the police reform debate, possibly on the same side, when it comes to the access to firearms. it does -- that is something you

do hear from some cops on the streets. cal perry in louisville. thanks very much. go ahead, cal. >> makes it harder to do traffic stops. not only traffic stops. but protests, right? when you are corralling protesters and have to assume a number of them are armed, it makes it much more difficult for crowd control. >> absolutely. in our truncated digital live shots, we have to take a little extra time there sometimes. katy, over to you. in the call to remove confederate insignia names and monuments across the country has been matched by house speaker nancy pelosi. >> people know these names have to go. these names are white supremacists that said terrible things about our country. these names have to go from these bases, and these statues have to go from the capitol.

>> the southern poverty law center identified more than 1,700 confederate monuments, names and symbols across the country including 780 monuments and more than 100 public schools. but in tennessee, the republican-held legislature this week blocked efforts to remove a bust of kkk founder nathan bedford forrest from the capitol building put on public display in 1978. joining us now is brittany cooper, assistant professor of women's and gender studies and africana studies. she's also a contributing writer for cosmopolitan.com and author of "eloquent rage." so brittney, thank you for joining us. it's remarkable that statue of nathan bedford forrest went up in the '70s. more than 100 years after slavery was ended. why do you think that we are still having this debate in

2020? >> look, the thing about these statues is that they are advertisements for our values, right? the things we choose to publicly commemorate tell us something about what we care about in this country. part of the challenge is that we've decided in this insistence on leaving these confederate memorials up that we want to advertise the worst of america. the confederacy was the worst of this country. internal schism, internal war in order to keep black people enslaved and in order to make white supremacy the rule of law and the rule of the land in this country. so that's why. we still have a very strong white supremacist strain in this country. we have a president that has decided quite vocally that he will govern in line with the values of white supremacists. that he will be openly antagonistic to black people. that he will call out the u.s. military to police citizens, which is not something we have ever seen done on american soil. and it's compelling that it's

being done to black citizens in this moment, standing up against racial practices. so that's what these monuments speak to. that's what the love of them is all about. and, look, i want the symbols removed. i grew up in the deep south where people put confederate flag bumper stickers on the back of their cars and said it's heritage, not hate when clearly it's a heritage of hate. i have a deep investment in those things being removed, but i hope the symbol is a prelude to the removal and the sort of rooting out of these white supremacist values in both our country in terms of culture and in terms of policy. >> it is not normal for the losers of a war, of a civil war that ripped apart a country to continue to be celebrated in that country after that war was already lost. you don't see that generally around the world. what do you think -- and it's apparently still a debate in a lot of corners in this country.

what do you think of protesters, regular americans, taking it into their own hands and tearing down these statues, pulling them down as we saw in a number of places overnight? >> look, i think that what is going to safe us in this moment is the will of the people. it's absolutely right to point out that these are also monuments to treason. if you rise up against this country and say that you want to take it over and government a different way. if any other group of people besides the white men who did that had done it, we'd call them treasonist. the confederacy was a treasonist anti-american project and it should be called out. we have a president that is fully lawless at this point who cannot for some reason be held accountable by any of the laws and procedures we currently have. so now we're in a moment where that american democratic sphere, the will of the people rising up and saying these are our values. we care about justice. we don't want to go back to a world where we have to have a civil war in this country to reinstitute american values that

are about freedom and about our desire to be continually working towards democracy, even though we often fail at it. i'm heartened by folks pulling these things down and saying whatever kind of gerrymandering that keeps putting these conservatives in office, even though we know statistically they are not the majority of americans, that we are beginning to see a visual resistance that says there's enough of a liberal spirit in this country that even when we don't do great on race, don't do great on white supremacy, that we can all agree that an overt investment in white supremacy is not something that any good -- any person of good will wants to be a part of. >> speaking of symbolism, and this might only be symbolism, but it seems to me it could be symbolism that would define -- sort of define what you say what statues can mean. juneteenth it seems to me, it is surprising it's not a federal holiday. washington, d.c., it's a

holiday. there are certain communities that set it as a holiday. it would be symbolic, but juneteeth is a federal holiday. is that something whose time has come? >> absolutely. look, it's not surprising that juneteeth isn't a federal holiday at this moment. we as a country, you know, have been very resistant to acknowledging how deeply our histories of racism go. to acknowledge juneteeth, to commemorate it would be to acknowledge after the civil war it took a full extra year, 1866, june of 1866, before enslaved people in the state of texas were actually told that they were free. and that says something about the ways that even when we win battles at the level of law that they still have to make their way to the people and change their actual material conditions. i'm from louisiana, the state that borders texas so i grew up celebrating juneteeth. i'd love for it to be a federal holiday. in many ways, it matters more as a freedom project than the

fourth of july matters. if you've ever seen on social media on the fourth of july, many african-americans start reposting frederick douglass' speech, what to the slave is the fourth of july? and we're in a moment of reckoning in this country. and anything we can do at the federal level. symbol doesn't matter more than substance, but symbol makes way and signals to the country that we are in great need of a value shift. and so what i'm hoping is that these symbolic measures will lead us to the -- will lead us on the path and continue us on the path of this value shift that folks are fighting for in the streets around defunding police and seeking racial justice. >> let's celebrate the moments where we have done something right in this country and that is the moment that federally deserves to be celebrated. let's celebrate it. let's educate people about it. i think you're absolutely right about that, britney. brittney cooper, thanks for joining us. as states continue to ease coronavirus restrictions, new

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the number of coronavirus cases are rising in a number of states across the country with the total now topping 2 million.

but the white house has been mostly silent on the government's coronavirus response. president trump instead turning his attention to anything else, particularly the campaign trail. the president announced rallies in four states, three of which are currently seeing a rise in coronavirus cases. florida, arizona, and north carolina. and mike pence tweeted a picture of his crowded campaign office with nobody wearing masks. he's since deleted that tweet. joining s ining us is carol lee. it's been weeks since we've seen deborah birx, anthony fauci, jerome adams, the surgeon general. we've not heard from the federal health experts. we're seeing a rise in cases. i'm not saying the two are connected but it does seem the white house doesn't want to give the appearance that they're focused on this current situation. >> we haven't had an official coronavirus task force briefing since april 27th. dr. birx did appear in the

briefing room at one of the press secretary's briefings on may 22nd, but they've really been more behind the scenes. they are meeting less. we know that from our own reporting, and it's all emblem attic of a white house that really wants to turn the page on the virus. you mentioned the president's campaigning. he's in dallas today. he's going to hold a fundraiser. his first in-person fundraiser since the pandemic. the whole message is that the country is open and things are moving forward. the vice president's office has not commented on that tweet, which has been deleted, but deleting it suggests that they didn't feel that's a good look. obviously, he's the head of the coronavirus task force, but again, this is a white house that really wants to shift its focus away from the pandemic, even though we know that there is concern inside the white house. vice president pence and dr. birx had a coronavirus meeting this week and expressed concern about a spike in cases because

of the protests. at the same time, the message here from the white house is, the country is open. >> while you and i were talking there, we saw air force one take off for dallas. i know he's at the fundraiser there tonight. he's doing a roundtable on police reform. do we expect the president to lay out his priorities here or is he just in listen mode? >> well, we know that there's consideration of executive order and the president could unveil some sort of executive actions. but we haven't seen any details of that and the growing sense here is that that's unlikely to happen. the president is also looking at the legislative prescriptions, and those are expected to come early next week. so mostly this is kind of a listening session. this is the first time where he's sitting down with both law enforcement and african-american faith leaders together at the same time. and also, you know, to just make the point that this is really going to be the first time where

we've heard publicly from the president about policing reforms and what he wants to do. >> right. so we'll see and, of course, given the history we've seen when he had roundtables after parkland, what he says in the moment is not always policy later on down the road. carol lee at the white house -- go ahead, carol. >> i was going to add that a lot of times to that point, the white house, the president's aides will want him to be doing something that he doesn't necessarily feel like he wants to embrace. that's the big question. >> there is that, too. it does make it so that, you don't quite know what he may say when that roundtable happens. anyway, carol lee, thank you. katy, over to you. >> health experts warn of a further surge in coronavirus cases because of both states reopening and the massive protests that we've seen sweeping the nation. earlier on the "today" show, director of harvard global health institute, dr. ashish jha

predicted this. >> if we just stay flat, if we don't have any more spikes all summer and just stay flat, we'll continue to have 800 to 1,000 people dying every day. that's about 25,000 to 30,000 a month. and over the next three months we will cross the 200,000 mark. >> joining us now is dr. mario ramirez, an emergency physician and managing director of opportunity labs. he's also the former pandemic and emerging threats kwoo s coor in the office of global affairs at the u.s. department of health and human services. thank you for being with us. my executive producer was trying to put that 800 number into perspective, and he was saying that's six triangle -- summertime has come. we've seen the protest. there's a desire to get out and

to act as if this pandemic is not still living among us or to try and live with it. but can you put things into perspective for us when we are still having the rate of death that is that high in this country and what it would mean to hit a 200,000 mark. hit the 200,000 mark later in the summer. >> well, you're right, katy. what makes this problem so difficult is that the magnitude is so staggering that it's hard for people to contextualize. dr. jha is right. if we lose 1,000 people a day that's three to four plane crashes in the united states on a daily basis here for the rest of the summer. if folks think about it, something like that, something we're more familiar with, it becomes much more concerning. the other thing that i would say is i fully understand how eager people are to get back to our regular lives, but i think we need to look around the country and realize there are 21 states where case counts are continuing to go up. we have four or five states

where hospitalizations are up 35% in the last week or two. these are extremely concerning signs that for a lot of us look a lot like new york and new jersey did just before things really descended into chaos there. >> dr. ramirez, is there anything the average person, at this point, do we all just have to protect ourselves? it's clear the federal government has decided this is -- we're going to figure out how to live with this virus. here's the tools that we have. unless there's a sea change in how the president wants to respond. if we assume there's no new sort of federal mandate here, whether it's on improving contact tracing, situations like this, we're all just out for ourselves at this point. we have to just protect ourselves the best we can. we have to learn to live with this virus? >> there are a few things, chuck. the first thing i would do and recommend is that you have to go and contextualize the

information for yourself. you're right at this point folks are being forced to rely on data they're getting from their own state. what i would recommend to anybody is that you go to your state coronavirus website and look at what the data looks like for you locally. and i think you have to try to separate the politics from what the data says. and in this case, the numbers that people should be looking at are, yes, the number of cases locally, although those do go up with the amount of testing that you do. what we need to be concerned about are the fraction of positive tests we're picking up in some of these areas and the amount of hospital utilization. if folks can go and see that data and see those numbers look concerning, the most important thing to try to do is stay at home. wear a face mask and limit the number of large gatherings you're around. those can help curb the spread of this disease. >> there's a -- >> basically really quickly, dr. ramirez -- sorry, katy. i wanted to follow up on that. >> it's okay. >> so the best fight -- the best

way to fight this is almost hyperlocal awareness and perhaps hyperlocal shutdown. okay. county x, spike in hospitalizations, spike in testing rate. you know what? let's have this county stay home for a couple of weeks? >> well, chuck, i wish. and i think the american public would be better served if things were being recommended on a much larger scale. i think that is absolutely true. and it would be -- we would be in a much better position if the states and the federal government were better coordinated. in the absence of that information, yes, it's incumbent on every person to take these things into personal consideration. >> dr. ramirez, what are we learning now about the treatment for this. once people are hospitalized, now that we're a few months in, we've seen so many different patients, what do we know about ventilators? are there better options? there's talk of lung transplants. i know at least one of those happened to a covid patient.

what's happening in hospitals right now? >> you're right, katy. i was just in the hospital yesterday. this is something i keep a close eye on. and some days it feels like we're making great progress. there have been a number of series about how we're getting a better sense of how to treat the disease. and then as a provider, every time you feel like you understand and have a better grasp on this, something new comes up. whether it's the likelihood that people have blood clots or whether it's children getting infected. there is still so, so much that we don't understand. in general, i think we're starting to understand some things about ventilation. if we put people on their stomach, try to use less invasive ventilation or putting people on ventilators, sometimes that can help. i think there are some hopeful signs of drugs coming down the pipeline and those include things like antibodies, other antiviral aemgs like remdesivir and this other stuff that it's hard to scale and those include

things like lung transplantation or ecmo or some of those other things. those are all going to be -- going forward but we're still learning a lot. >> dr. mario ramirez, thank you very much for joining us. still a lot of questions we have about this disease and a lot of warnings out there. chuck, over to you. >> thank you. up next -- waiting to vote. and waiting and waiting and waiting. as we look at november's election, a new study is shedding light on the disparities black and latino voters faced in 2018. they are blaming this week's voting issues on the coronavirus pandemic. you're watching msnbc. how about no

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about 45% longer than white voters. the presidential commission on election administration says the acceptable threshold for voting should be 30 minutes or less. chuck, you have to wonder about the outcomes here. why when we read all of those numbers is it always that black and brown people have a much harder time going out to exercise their constitutional right? it just doesn't make sense why white people, in general, always have an easier time with that. >> well, a lot of it is the number of polling locations in certain neighborhoods versus the number of polling locations in other neighborhoods. at the end of the day -- >> it's a systemic problem. it's a fundamental and systemic problem of -- >> right. >> of voter access. >> yeah, no, and the other thing that i am sort of having major nightmares on, mark murray and i made a big deal of this on tuesday. i don't think people are aware we're not get results on

election night and it's probably going to take even states that have done this well, a week or more to count all the ballots. and it looks like right now we have a whole bunch of states unprepared for this. and speaking of unprepared state for what's coming, let's go down to georgia. georgia is in the spotlight after the state faced widespread voting problems during its primary. residents in dekalb and fulton experienced missing or nonfunctioning equipment and wait times up to five hours. many of tuesday's issues occurred in largely minority areas. an issue georgia faced back in 2018 when voting problems led to allegations of voter suppression. the fulton county election chief says this time the issues were mostly covid related. our affiliate 11 alive in atlanta has more. >> when you have the offices that are closed, you have -- you're managing people teleworking from homes all over the county, we ran into a lot of

challenges this time. >> reporter: fulton county's election chief admits tuesday's primary had its problems. but says many were caused by covid-19. like polling places changing location. >> 44 of the 45 were directly due to covid. we had to get out of household mailing to announce those changes. we had to try to get those publicized out there any way that we could. >> reporter: another challenge, also due to covid-19, many older poll workers with experience opted out so new poll workers signed up on brand-new machines. new workers who were mostly trained online. >> you don't get your hands on the equipment so a lot of poll workers were confused. >> reporter: secretary of state brad rothensburger's office says absentee ballot numbers were high across the state. more than 1.5 million were requested as opposed to 37,000 in 2016. fulton county's numbers followed suit.

>> 4 1/2 times the amount of a normal presidential election. it was -- it stretched us thin. >> reporter: they say most counties across the state did just fine, and of the problems coun countiesa a whole had were mostly fixed in the morning. so the responsibility for fulton's problems throughout the day rely on the county. >> he can say whatever he wants. i disagree with him. i think he's the head election official in the state and he can't wash his hands of all the responsibility. >> reporter: moving forward, the office hopes that by the run-off election in august, more polling places will be open. his office also hopes the new poll workers will now have experience and be better equipped to use the machines. but again, they say that is up to each county. they learned a lot yesterday. they hope all the early voting sites can be open before the next election and are ready to finish this one. >> all i'm doing is looking

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now more reporting on what motivated general mark milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, to apologize for posing for a photograph with president trump outside the white house last week. just minutes after peaceful demonstrators were removed from the area by force. in an address to the national defense university milley addressed the reason the protesters were there as well. >> i am outraged by the senseless and brutal killing of george floyd. his death amplified the pain, the frustration and the fear that so many of our fellow americans live with day in and day out. and we should all be proud that the vast majority of protests have been peaceful. peaceful protests means that american freedom is working. >> for more on this we're joined by nbc news pentagon correspondent courtney kube.

what caused milley to speak out again? i say again. we know what they did last week, but, you know, we can go through about seven days in a row here where some high member of the military has tried to do something to basically assuage the protest movement. >> yeah, that's right. we know what was happening last week where we had military leaders from the pentagon and the national guard who were working behind the scenes trying to get national guard soldiers into d.c. and national guard troops around the country in an effort to keep president trump from invoking the ursurrection act. that was clear late in the week and that was the military with the civilian and uniformed leadership did not want the insurrection act. general milley's decision to come forward and speak out today in this pretaped message to national defense university, though, he is not immune to the

criticism that he was receiving for being -- for being with the president when that photo op happened at st. john's church more than a week ago. there was criticism on social media, in the press. there were retired generals and admirals. people were speaking out about the fact the military was being pulled into politics. i can tell you, after covering the pentagon for 15 years and being through a number of chairman of the joint chiefs, many of them hold that sacrosanct. we heard about it all the time from milley's predecessor, general dunford. general milley has not been as outspoken, but in this address today he apologized. he called it a mistake and said he was concerned about the fact that there was the perception that the military -- a military leader was being drawn into politics here, chuck. >> look, and this is where it gets complicated. obviously, we know the president likes milley which is why milley got the appointment to the top

job in military leadership. so there is a little bit of politics that happens there, right, courtney? >> absolutely. milley, remember, secretary of defense -- then secretary of defense james mattis recommended air force general goldfine and there was broad support for general goldfein to have the job. general milley went into the white house and lobbied for it. he went to the president and made the case for why he could be a chairman. and he got the job. and there was a lot of chafing about that at the pentagon. there were a lot of people who thought that's not the way that is supposed to be decided. so general milley, he's really liked by the president, and he knows how to work president trump. >> that has helped him for the most part, but got him into a bind on this one, and he's trying, clearly, to show a little bit of distance now. courtney kube with some great

reporting out of the pentagon. thank you. protesters are demanding the removal of confederate monuments from public spaces across the country. in some cases, they are not waiting. in richmond, virginia, last night, demonstrators virginia, demonstrators toppled a statue of the president of the confederate states in the civil war. this is the third statue toppled by protesters in richmond in recent days including a statue of williams carter wickm and a statue of christopher columbus, as well. in portsmouth, virginia, a street n vietnam war veteran talked about taking apart a monument. >> i will damn sure give my life for this right here. >> in st. paul, minnesota, protesters tore down a statue of

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crisis. for more than 21 states, they have seen a spike in new coronavirus cases and we're seeing some hospitalization spikes that real ly are concerning. yesterday, the u.s. passed another concerning milestone, over 2 million confirmed cases of covid-19. >> it's perhaps that news combined with a disappointing jobs report that has sent markets falling. cnbc predicts it could be the worst day for the market since march. my coanchor for the hour, katy tur, joins me now. i know we're going to get to the general milley story again, but it is, today is a reminder of the warnings we made on friday of careful spiking the football on one sort of accidental good jobs report because this is an economy that is in great pain here. one band-aid jobs report is not going to heal it. >> yeah, we are still beyond recession numbers. the fed is saying we could be in this for many years to come.

and i also would say that it's not always a great idea to watch the stock market because it goes up with some good news and gets hopeful, goes back down again. i mean, it's just not a predictor of unemployment, of where the economy is at. it's separated from main street. but as you said a moment ago, chuck, we're going to start with this news from the joint chief of staff, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, sorry. we begin this hour with the apology from the country's top general for his role in a photo op with the president. the chairman of the joint chiefs mark milley said he should not have participated in the president's walk to st. john's church, after protesters were cleared by force from lafayette square park. >> i should not have been there. my presence in that moment and in that environment created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics.

>> and today, on capitol hill, the senate armed services committee has approved a proposal to rename military bases bearing the names of confederate generals. there are ten such bases across the south. similar bipartisan legislation was introduced in the house, but the president has already said he would oppose renaming the bases. joining me now from the white house is nbc news correspondent carol lee. so carol, with this news coming out of the senate, when it comes to the bases, this is pushback from republicans in congress on the president's wishes. how is that being read at the white house? >> well, katy, you saw the president today really dig in on his opposition to renaming these bases. that hasn't changed, and his press secretary earlier this morning also dug in and said the president opposes this. the president tweeted this morning, those that deny their history are doomed to repeat it. so that tells you where his mindset is on this. but it is striking that he is

not only at odds with some of his military advisers who were open to studying this issue and really looking at it and considering it, as well as republicans on capitol hill. and it comes at a time when the president seems to, given his polling numbers, given all of the tensions in the country, need as many allies as he can get, and this is a pretty significant rebuke or at least divide between him and his own members of his own party, as well as members of his top members of his national security team. >> carol, who is the president speaking to when he refuses to bend on this issue or when he tweets law and order? >> you know, it's a really good question, katy, because there are people around the president who have wanted him to take a more conciliatory, more what they would call presidential leadership approach to all of this. and then there are obviously people around him who clearly

think that this kind of position is something that plays to his base. i mean, you know better than anybody this is a space in which the president feels very comfortable in. something that, where he feels like his supporters have aligned with him. i think the concern and growing concern among some allies of the president is that he's increasingly out of step with the country, not just what he perceives as people who don't support him, but even people within his own party. >> i think part of it is when you go to a trump rally, you do see a lot of confederate flags among the people who show up. carol lee, thank you very much. and today, on capitol hill, house speaker nancy pelosi renewed her call to immediately remove confederate statues from the halls of congress. there are 11 statues on capitol hill that represent confederate leaders. earlier on today tod, tim scott asked how he felt about efforts to remove those monuments across the country.

>> the states have an opportunity to look at where the statues are and if they're on public property, they should have a serious conversation about that. as you'll remember, in 2015, we were able to remove the confederate flag from atop the state dome. that was the right decision. i'm give that to the states and let them move forward. >> joining me from washington is nbc news capitol hill correspondent and host of kasie d.c., we were talking yesterday, and you said this conversation is moving very quickly. the sentiment of the american public is moving very quickly. and lawmakers are reacting. what's your sense of things today? >> well, katy, i think we have seen some evidence that there is significant momentum around some of these questions and potentially a little bit of discomfort between the republicans in congress and the

president on some of these issues. which is, you know, a pretty interesting and telling development. and you know, i think there are, you know, a lot of very emotional questions or historically emotional questions, anyway, about the removal of these monuments, but it's becoming, it seems, more and more obvious to the point there were only a handful of republicans who voted in the senate armed services committee against an amendment to change all of the names of defense department assets, u.s. army bases that are named after confederate generals. so you know, the confederate statue, and you showed very briefly a picture of statuary hall, which is the old chamber of the house of representatives in the capital. if you're a tourist, you'll walk between those velvet ropes through the statues of all of these men, and you know, in the past, there's kind of been this sense, and pelosi said the same in her news conference, it's a bunch of old white men anyway, who can really tell the

difference, but it's clearly become an emotional symbol of the pain of all of this period in american history, and when pelosi was speaker the first time, she had robert e. lee moved down to the crypt, which is a couple floors or one floor, i suppose, below statuary hall. as one way to do this, but the reality is, she doesn't necessarily have the power to get rid of these statues. each state chooses the statues they want to send and have displayed on the capitol hill. it's a very lengthy process. people get very invested in it. so she has said that she doesn't want to do this without buy-in from presumably republicans and others. she wants to do this in a kind of congenial way. but seems to reserve the right to kind of move these confederates out of the places of honor that they hold, katy. >> kasie hunt, thank you very much. and chuck, when you just take a step back and look at it from the outside, the idea that we have all these statues to a bunch of men who tried to break away from the country, who were

labeled as treasonous, who lost a war, and yet they're still celebrated all around the country, including the halls of our congress, it is very odd. let alone offensive. >> it is really hard to explain. you know what i always say, try to explain that to a foreigner. try to explain that, you know, we like to export american values. try to explain that to a foreigner. try to explain it to a german, and i'll leave it at that. it just doesn't make sense. >> presumptive democratic nominee joe biden is in philadelphia today. he's hosting a roundtable focusing on how the u.s. is safely reopen the economy in the threat of the coronavirus pandemic. the event comes a day after biden told trevor noah he feared president trump moy try to steal the election. >> it's my greatest concern. my single greatest concern. this president is going to try to steal this election. this is a guy who said that all mail-in ballots are fraudulent.

voting by mail. while he sits behind the desk in the oval office and writes his mail-in ballot to vote in a primary. this is a guy you have 23, i believe, states that have passed over 82 pieces of legislation making it harder for people to vote. harder. >> nbc news correspondent mike memally covers the biden campaign for us and he joins me now from philadelphia. mike, this is something that it seems the former vice president is more and more comfortable talking about, very matter of factually, this fear that the president will do either, because before he said he's also hinted that he might not accept a result of defeat as well. they seem to want to get this out there a lot. >> yeah, that's right, chuck. i think there are potentially two reasons for that. one is it's a genuine concern of his, as you heard him articulate

to trevor noah. the campaign has also said the thing that keeps then up at night is whether or not americans are going to be able to simply be able to vote. we look at the mess we saw in georgia this week as they attempted to hold their primary, and you understand why the campaign would be concerned about that. but i think the other reason is in part based on their really optimism that former vice president here is in a pretty strong lead, and i think they want to guard against complacency among democrats. they want to do anything they can to try to motivate and build a sense of urgency among democrats, and you're not going to see that necessarily in terms of the campaign itself. so you're going to see that in the open in terms of their conversations about it. now as we see president trump and hear him talk about returning to the campaign trail with rally-style events, and you see the former vice president today as a preview of what we'll see more and more of him, which is sort of roundtable discussions without the crowd, you're sort of setting up in the fall a preview of what we might see in terms of programming.

it's wwe reality television versus something like public access and c-span here, but the biden campaign believes that kind of contrast works and that's what they wanted to present again today, chuck. >> mike, very quickly, i saw that stacey abrams made it public that nobody has called her from the campaign yet. has the campaign taken notice of her public statement? >> we haven't heard from them on this yet. they have been very tight-lipped about any of this. we have also heard from some of the other candidates that we know are being vetted saying they're going to stay out of this as well. the biden campaign has always not necessarily enjoyed her public campaigning for it, and they have some other candidates, let's say, that are very much more seriously under consideration than stacey abrams at this point. >> well, it's just interesting that they want to make that clear to her by not asking for any vetting information. i wonder if that at least changes at some point later this week. anyway, mike on the biden beat for us, thank you. protests sparked by the death of george floyd have not

stopped. overnight, there were demonstrations in seattle, oregon, in addition to los angeles and new york. joining us is errin haines, editor at large for the 19th. and these protests aren't going to stop. obviously, i think a lot of people feel that these protests are why we have seen changes already. right? we have seen cities make some changes. how do you, though, keep this up, keep this momentum going in a third or fourth week? i mean, it isn't easy to keep momentum up, no matter how much you think history is on your side. >> well, hi, chuck. good to be with you this afternoon. i think that what we're seeing is that the time for talk is over. protesters are calling for action. and not just kind of the incremental change but really structural change to the systems that maintain inequality in this country, and look, people more

and more are making the connection between, you know, their elected officials and those people's impact on their daily lives. and i think that what they're also realizing is something that black americans have long known, which is that voting is a form of protest as well. and so you know, you have an increasing number of americans kind of saying this is not who we want to be. even though you have the president returning to a racial playbook that can galvanize both his supporters and those committed to his ouster in november. but this is a pattern you should be familiar with by now, right? we know in 2016, he was talking about a message of law and order with the specter of voter fraud. that message is coming back this year. you know, that could be something that galvanizes people and really fuels them. what we really might see refueling or maintaining the momentum with the protests is the president's rally on june 15th in tulsa. a significant holiday in a place where we saw the worst race riot

in america's history 100 years ago next year. and so i mean, the white house has said that tulsa is meaningful to this president. but meaningful in what way? and how are americans, especially black americans, supposed to interpret that kind of symbolism given the president's rhetoric and policies. >> i was going to ask you about this. holding this rally in tulsa on june 19th, the symbolism there, the imagery there, is there anything that he could do when he is there, he could say, he could announce, he could roll out, that would justify his appearance in that city on that date? >> you know, i think that he will have a message that will likely resonate, but resonate with whom, i think is the question. we know that this president did not -- was overwhelmingly rejected by black voters in 2016 when he asked them what the hell do you have to lose, and you know, so many black voters i

talked to headed into november have said they are focused on ousting this president in november. and so while he's -- we have heard from the white house that we're expecting a message maybe of unity and a conversation about race. that is not the kind of message that we have heard from this president to african-americans. so, again, you know, he has a record as a private citizen, as a candidate, and now as president of talking about race. he talks about race quite a bit, but not in a way that really has resonated with the majority of african-americans and african-american voters, and so any departure from that i think would certainly be different from what black voters have heard up to this point from him. >> errin haines from the 19th, really appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective with us. katy, over to you. and chuck, coming up, we learned today that 44 million americans have lost their jobs over the past 12 weeks.

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another 1.5 million people filed first-time claims for unemployment insurance last week, bringing the total to 44 million americans who filed for unemployment in the last 12 weeks.

let's bring in jo ling kent to take a look at the jobs numbers from this week. thanks for being here with us today. when you look at the numbers and read into them, what are the enduring patterns that you're seeing? >> good news, katy, is that the number of total initial claims has fallen for the tenth week in a row, so that's good to see. that means people are going back to work and we're seeing the layoffs subside a little bit. but it doesn't mean that it's gotten, say, better or it's good right now overall, because 1.5 million unemployment claims in one week is still staggering compared to this time last year and in any sort of, quote, normal circumstances. i always look at continuing claims, the number of people who continue to collect their unemployment because they don't have work. that's 21 million. so the context on that number is it continues to come down, but that's still 21 million people collecting those claims. another number that i think goes underreported here is the

pandemic unemployment assistance, which gig workers and independent contractors are collecting. and that is now over 700,000, according to the labor department. so those are some of the numbers that really, you know, support that 1.5 million headline number you see, and what really matters here is we continue to see a ton of layoffs across the board in retail store closures. of course, research is saying 25,000 retail stores could close by the end of twen2020, so that doesn't spell good news. you add that to the context of what fed chair jerome powell said yesterday, that a lot of these jobs will not be returning and gdp in the u.s. is going to shrink by 6.5% by the end of this year. it still spells a very long, challenging, and difficult recovery. this is not some bounceback that a lot of politicians would like you to believe, katy. >> jo ling kent, thank you very much. chuck, i know we'll dig deeper on this with our next guest.

>> we sure are. a forecast from the federal reserve suggests millions of people could remain out of work for the foreseeable future. the fed expects unemployment to remain high through the year and perhaps for years to come. chairman jerome powell addressed the state of the american jobs market yesterday after a fed meeting. >> this is the biggest economic shock in the u.s. and in the world really in living memory. we went from the lowest level of unemployment in 50 years to the highest level in close to 90 years, and we did it in two months. extraordinary. >> joining us now, kevin hassett, senior economic adviser to president trump. was his chair of the council of economic advisers. mr. hassett, good to see you. it's been a while. i want to start with this. we have some structural hurdles on the job market that i don't know how you fix with a stimulus. and it's because you have to somehow stimulate demand, but if

demand isn't there due to a health crisis, i don't know if any amount of money is going to stimulate people to fly, stimulate people to go out to eat. what is your thought on how to overcome that with stimulus if it isn't demand? is it creating a new job sector? >> well, i think it's both demand and supply, and you know, i thought jo ling did a good job of summarizing the claims data. one of the things we're seeing if you saw the jobs numbers from last friday, is that economists are really making big forecasting mistakes right now because, as chairman powell said, it's the biggest negative shock that we have seen really ever in the u.s. economy. and then we had the biggest policy response ever, including the fed action and really undercovered bipartisan legislation on the pill that passed the senate without a negative vote and so on. i think we have all these massive forces colliding, and we know the second quarter gdp number is going to be very, very big negative number, something

like maybe minus 40%, and we know the second half of the year is going to be strong. the question is where are we going to end up in the end, and i thought the jobs number was about a 10 million job surprise on friday. so it suggests that so far, economists are overstating the negative. and i think that we in the white house are optimistic that the congressional budget office forecast for a really strong second half of the year is a good place to start. and we're actually jacking up our forecast because of the recent jobs numbers, which was way, way, way above our expectation. >> so based on those forecasts, do you want to take your foot off the ppp gas and take your foot off the unemployment benefits a little built? do you let those expanded benefits, do you let them expire or keep that going while you figure out what other stimulus is necessary? >> right, i think the president's position on this, which i think is probably shared by most thinking people, is that we've built a bridge to july,

really, with the existing legislation. and what we need to do now is watch the evolution of the disease, how it responds to opening up, and the growth of the economy and the return of people to work between now and july, as we think about the next legislation. and so i think to do it right now would be a little premature because, you know, there are places that are really taking off like hotcake wheres the businesses are completely open. there are other places like, say, vermont, where businesses are mostly closed even though they don't have many cases. so we have to watch the numbers of all that decide what to do, and we also have to watch out for things that we see in the data just this morning, because we look at a dashboard every morning. you're seeing that in, for example, arizona and south carolina, cases are picking up. and the effective reproduction rate has gone pretty far above one, and that's very concerning. we have to look at all those things, and i think right now, there's so many unknowns that the right thing to do is to plan for every scenario but watch the data for a few more weeks before

we legislate, and that's what we've decided to do at the white house. >> kevin, good to have you. >> thank you. >> what happens in the near term when forbearance and forgiveness runs out, when people suddenly have to pay their rent, when they suddenly have to pay their mortgage, or their car payment, and they still aren't back to work or they're not making as much money because a lot of people are taking pay cuts right ph now if they're not losing their job entirely. what does the administration plan on doing for the millions of people who could be even farther underwater in the coming weeks and months once those benefits, those maybe not federal benefits, but those localized benefits run out? >> right. well, it's all, again, going to dependent on how quickly we open up. if you look at a state like say, montana, where almost every business is open right now, life is really getting pretty much back to normal and the issue of forbearance and the potential of bankruptcy is not a live issue. in a place that has actually

fewer cases per 100,000, vermont, things are really shut tight and closed, and that might become an issue. if vermont decides to open up like montana between now and the legislation, it's going to be a much, much different economy in vermont, and really much, much different type of legislation than if half the country stays closed and the issues you raised becomes a really important one. what we have done is given people enough cash, you saw in the first report, a massive increase of personal income. a lot was saved. we think there might be a half a trillion dollars in people's checking accounts which they can go out and start buying with if the economy opens up. there's a chance for a really positive outcome, a much bigger positive surprise than anyone expected but there's a chance economies stay closed as well in many states, and that leads to other problems like, you know, potential bankruptcies and so on. so we're just watching it really closely and making a plan for everything that might happen. >> you're using montana and vermont, which don't have high populations.

let's use places that have a lot of people, california, florida. new york. people that are living paycheck to paycheck, and there are millions of americans who are living paycheck to paycheck who will be under water. i don't think that's really up for debate, so respectfully, are you just watching it or are you coming up with a plan in order to help those people, because this is not a let's look down the future, you know, maybe in months and months or years from now. this is going to come up more immediately for people whose rent is due on july 1st. and they haven't paid rent for maybe the past three months. >> right. absolutely, you're right, that there has to be a plan and there is a plan, and that the plan is to have a phase four deal. i think i was covered in the news just a few days ago of saying there's a 100% chance the white house believes there will be a phase four deal where more help is on the way. the president has talked about the types of things he would like to include in that legislation. the house has already passed some things that shows their

ideas. mitch mcconnell said he thinks the number should be about a trillion dollars. absolutely, we will be moving forward with help for people who need it, but we need to make sure it's targeted and the right size and so on, and that's going to depend a lot on the evolution of the economy, just to give you an example of a downside scenario, which i don't think is likely, if the disease were to flare up again, and everybody would have to shut down again, then maybe the ppp program would have to be extended quite a bit. but if we continue on the trajectory we saw the jobs report on friday, then that would not necessarily be necessary. >> kevin, i'm curious, you're pretty confident because of the cbo and a strong second half, but given the fact that, yes, it is cheap to borrow money, and there's a lot of ways, are you not concerned that we're going to go through a lot of creative destruction by big companies who basically can afford to do it but they use this period, and there's going to be a lot of sort of a second wave of unemployment in the second half

of this year, first quarter of next year, how concerned are you about that having sort of a pullback, almost serving as an co extra brake on this economic recovery? >> what's going to happen is we'll have a second quarter that drops a lot and then a third quarter and fourth quarter that go up a lot, but in the end, if we don't go up by as much as we dropped, people will see excess capacity, and they're going to start another round of layoffs and so on. what our job is, and why we're looking so hard at a phase four deal, is policy supports the recovery so the second wave doesn't happen. >> kevin hassett, the senior adviser, economic adviser to the president, right now, the former chairman of the council of economic advisers for this president, appreciate you coming on. >> thanks, guys. katy, over to you. >> and thank you to kevin as well. after the break, we go to north carolina, which is seeing a record number of hospitalizations as coronavirus

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cases of coronavirus in the united states have hit the 2 million mark. this as infections spike in 21 states and puerto rico. you heard from a member of the trump administration concerned about arizona and south carolina specifically. many of these states are states that reopened early. and speaking of the carolinas, in north carolina, hospitalization rates have hit record highs. joining us from a hospital in raleigh is catie beck. so how nervous are public health officials there? >> well, they're certainly a lot of concern, chuck. this is actually the sixth time that the hospitalization rate has reached a record high already this month. so health officials are concerned. they're seeing that uptick and saying this is an accelerating trend in the wrong direction, and we want to make sure we have the resources to handle it. the good news right now is hospitals do. they have plenty of intake possibility for covid patients

and they say their icus and general intake beds are available. that being said, they're going to be watching the data, tlenre, and watching that delicate line. they want the economy to be open, they want people to resume life as normal, but they want to keep public health in mind and keep thinking about how to flatten the curve. right now, the governor of north carolina said phase two will extend at least until june 26th, at which time top health officials will reconvene, take a look at the data, and assess what to do next. do we hold off on moving to phase three, wait for the numbers to go down, do we go ahead with reopening? it's important to note the experts did predict there would be a slight uptick with reopenings and testing. north carolina has vastly increased their testing, going from 5,000 or so tests a day to now doing 17,000 tests a day. with more testing, you'll see more positive cases, but that being said, they have to keep a

very close eye on this number to insure that there isn't a sudden spike and health resources don't become overwhelmed as a result of it. there is a great deal of concern watching these numbers, as for right now, hospitals seem to think they can manage the intake. chuck. >> catie beck, in raleigh for us. thank you. >> katy tur, since i'm going from catie to katy, better use your last name. i don't want to think today is the day that republicans say jacksonville instead of charlotte, but it is sort of to watch them move away from north carolina, question north carolina's judgment, as north carolina has this spike right now, is sort of a bit of a head scratcher over there at the rnc. >> and you know, i was talking to north carolina officials and the governor's office, a lot about this convention and they were very consistent in their messaging, in their decision making process. it is all about the health of

north carolinians, what the health experts were sayish, where they were on the curve, and they were not willing to make a commitment to the president that he would be allowed to have a full-scale convention. they weren't willing to put lives on the line for that. that's why the president is moving it down to potentially to jacksonville, where in florida, i believe, the cases are on the rise as well. so chuck, coming up, let's talk about something else. it was certainly no georgia, but election day was a mess on tuesday in nevada as well. voters ended up waiting hours in line, in an election where voting in person wasn't even required. what happened out there? we'll tell you after the break. you're watching msnbc.

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election. it went on to say, long lines are unacceptable, of course, even for the small number of voters who elected to vote in person. but overall, the transition to a vote by mail election, as a response to the ongoing covid-19 pandemic was successful. and finally, the decision to automatically mail a ballot to registered voters in nevada applied only to the primary election. for the november general election, the plan is to proceed with the election under normal rules with a complete slate of in-person vote centers. got all that? joining us now is jon ralston, editor of the nevada independent. so jon, what's going on? >> well, there were some screw-ups, no doubt about it, katy. that statement is accurate in the sense that people did like the mail-in election, and by like, i mean they're going to set records for primary election turnout here. now, it's not a great number, close to 30%, maybe 28% or so, but they didn't have enough

in-person voting centers. people didn't get their ballots or hadn't filled out their ballots yet, and they just didn't predict what was going to happen, especially in clark county, where vegas is, where the majority of the population is, and where those pictures that you're showing now are coming from. so they should have been more prepared for that. they didn't have enough printers, but you know, when you're having your last vote cast, and of course, i knew you were going to show the elvis impersonator, katy, when you have that vote cast at 2:30 in the morning, you have not prepared properly for what might happen. but 440,000 or so votes are going to be cast in the primary. only a few thousand, maybe 10,000 max were in person. >> jon, what do you expect with november? you know how both of these parties, i mean, it's such -- in some ways, it's such a well microtargeted state, nevada is.

because there's so much concentration really in two media markets. do you expect both parties to assume a larger than usual mail-in/absentee, and that is what the primary focus is? or do you expect the nevada republicans to follow the lead of the president's belief that somehow mail-in voting is bad? >> well, there's two issues there that you raise, chuck. first of all, nobody knows what's going to be like in november, anywhere, and if there's not a resurgence of the disease here and in some of the signs are good, some are not so good, they will do a regular in-person election. absentee voting is usually not a big deal here. there's no fault absentee voting, but i would guess a lot of people liked it and will do it in the general. but what is going on here among nevada republicans, and as you well know, chuck, there aren't

that many nevada republicans in elected office here anymore, the secretary of state is the only state-wide elected official, she's a republican, but you have adam lacksalt, who is the former attorney general, and agent of the trump campaign, has been using the same kind of conspiracy theories without any evidence to raise questions, not just about this election, but you know, the real game is november. and what trump is doing across the country and his allies are doing, kind of a prebuttle to claiming fraud, if he loses. i think that is going to continue. the problem for them is this election went pretty flawlessly by mail. as you pointed out, the in-person voting was a problem. so none of that stuff is going to come true, but i think they're going to keep trying, and you know what i think, chuck? we're going to see a lot of national election lawyers here in november. >> yeah. i think you're right. >> what a prediction. jon ralston, thank you very much. and for the record, we showed

the elvis impersonator because he was the last one in line to vote. >> that was the idea. katy. i know what jon is thinking. all we're doing is feeding the instagram likes for the elvis impersonator who clearly wanted us all to see. i'm sure he let others cut in front of him, put it that way. anyway. i want to give you some examples of what could be an interesting pattern of voting issues. more than a week after pennsylvania's primary, they're still counting votes. this was the state's first election that allowed a big chunk of mail-in voting for any reason. that change combined with the pandemic resulted in a huge surge in mail-in ballots. nearly 1.8 million pennsylvanians applied for a mail-in ballot, and they returned 1.4 million of them. so that's quite a few mail-in ballots. the issues in counting them have left state officials worried about november. not just state officialser count all of us.

whether there could be a similar today in counting election votes. katy, i said this earlier, we laid this out with the arizona senate race in 2018, this is arizona, which does a lot of mail-in voting. they're good at it. it takes a week to find out who wins. we all know what could happen rhetorically in that week, as we wait. if philadelphia and those counties are the last to report in pennsylvania, donald trump is going to lead in the vote count until he doesn't lead in the vote count. and that's just pennsylvania. >> yeah, and look how long it took for california, i mean, there are a lot of examples, and we had this brief conversation this morning on the editorial call about what might happen as we get closer to election day, especially if the president is down in the polling. are we going city him doing exactly what he did in 2016, which is claim that everything is rigged and there's a global conspiracy against him? we already saw him try to force cnn to retract their polling because he didn't like it.

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perry. >> reporter: we expect that to be passioned no problem. the other issue they'll have is about civilian review boards and body cameras. if you take breonna taylor as the starting point and you see what's happened since then, you understand the need for this bill. you have the incident report coming out in the last 24 hours from the death of breonna taylor. there's nothing on the incident report. it's basically blank. blank except for one falsification, that they didn't forcefully enter the apartment, when we know they did. now understand why people who have been protesting want the civilian review board so they can part of the process from the

beginning. when you look at the warrants that surrounded breonna taylor five warrants signed in five minutes. that gives you an idea of the broader discussion we'll hear tonight in louisville. >> cal, thank you for following the story. we appreciate it. chuck, back to you. >> this is a reminder, what are we up to? i'm losing track of the number of police departments who nethe initial report is so far away from what actually happened. this is what you have to explain. i buy this idea that there's a large chunk of police officers that aren't this. but there is an automatic culture when it comes to police departments putting out limited information that ends up looking like misleading information, katie. >> it happened in buffalo with the protester. go back and look at the police

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good day, 3:00 p.m. here in the east, 12:00 out west. nicolle wallace will join us momentarily. first a look at the headlines. president trump will soon land in dallas, texas where he plans to talk about police reforms and other subjects related to george floyd's death. the trip to texas comes after he faces a fight with congress after -- the senate arms services committee approved an amendment to a funding bill that will remove confederate names

from defense department facilities. nancy pelosi has called for at least a dozen statues of confederate military leaders to be removed from capitol hill. >> these names have to go and the statues have to go from the capitol. this is a perfect time for us to remove those statues. other times people think who cares i don't go there anyway. they all look alike to me. that's what i think. on the other hand this might be the timing might be just right. >> it took a while, but joint chiefs of staff chairman general mark milley now says he should not have been there when the president held his widely condemned photo op in front of a washington church. he was called out for his

appearance in camo in the midst of a citizens protest. he told graduates his presence created a perception that the military was involved in domestic politics. joe biden met with african-american business owners in philadelphia where he unveiled a plan to safely re-open and jump start the u.s. economy. biden raising some eyebrows over comments about what he thinks president trump may try to do during the election. >> this president is going to try to steal this election. he said all mail-in ballots are invalid. >> have you ever considered what would happen if the election came out as you being the winner and trump refused to leave? >> yes, i have. you have four chiefs of staff coming out and ripping the skin off of trump.

you have so many rank in file military personnel saying whoa, we're not a military state. this is not who we are. i promise you i'm absolutely convinced they'll escort him from the white house with great dispatch. >> as we enter the final hour of trading we're keeping a close eye on wall street. the dow is down big, over 6%, on the pessimism expressed by the fed chair yesterday. also based on concerns about a second wave of coronavirus cases because of increasing numbers of infections and hospitalizations in states that have re-opened. we are at long last joined by my friend and colleague nicolle wallace. these are busy days from the words of the vice president to the ongoing struggle in the

streets, cities and towns across our country. >> we have been justifiably focussed on the demonstrations and the outpouring in american cities and cities around the world over the death of george floyd and on the uptick of coronavirus. but we should never forget that every single day there is an unprecedented churn at the pentagon. the pressure donald trump has placed on the pentagon -- think about it. we learned that secretary esper almost resigned over-donald trump wanting to put in place the insure recollection act. esper is the only cabinet secretary to lead an agency that was abandoned by a secretary who fled for cause. donald trump's conduct as

commander in chief is to me one of the most glaring vulnerabilities standing between his and his re-election. i don't care if you're an avid maga rally goer, or part of the resistance, you don't want someone who is not fit to lead the men and women who protect this country. you have to look at these statements that come out of the military as they speak for hundreds of people behind them. they're so reluctant to speak at all. i watched and followed that millie apology very closely. joining us now is the professor of african-american studies at princeton university, and paul butler, a georgetown university law school professor. paul butler, i want to start

with you. it's interesting we have two sort of national experiences. the country experiencing fear and illness and financial pain over the pandemic. the country expressing fear and violence and anxiety and trepidation over police brutality. donald trump for the most part absent from both conversations. >> that's right. so we have this epidemic of the coronavirus and we also have an ongoing epidemic of police violence. with the coronavirus we're hopeful of having a treatment sometime, maybe in the next year. with police violence we already know there are ways to make police officers more effective. president obama's commission on 21st century came up with a bunch of recommendations that the trump administration threw in the trash can. we have treatment for police

violence. we know best practices. a lot are contained in this justice act of 2020 that's soon to be renamed after george floyd. the question is will the president rise to the occasion? i had the honor of testifying before the house judiciary committee yesterday with mr. floyd's younger brother. he said he wants his brother's life and death to mean something. in part that's up to the president of the united states and that's not good news. >> eddie, it also falls to our congressional leaders. we've played some of that tape of nancy pelosi saying that the time is now to remove any and all monument to the confederate. what do you make of her comments we just played? >> actually first of all they were funny, what she thought of statue hall. i thought that was hilarious.

she's right. general mattis said we were at an inflection point. now we're at an inflection point around the symbols of the country. there's a reason why there's clsl clamoring around removing the statues. this history has set the stage for this country. president trump will deliver a speech on june teenth. stephen miller will write that speech. we forget the leak of emails around stephen miller's response on dylan ruth's rampage.

it's bizarro world. it's crazy. we have somebody getting in the way of a new america trying to be born. >> i'm looking at both of our guests and marveling at the fact that -- also sad because of where we are that the life's work of these gentlemen is at the crux of the national conversation. eddie, i've got to know you over the years. are you so smart that your book called "choke hold" would be front and center in the national conversation and it couldn't be in a more perverse way? paul, it couldn't be in a more perverse way. the news that the republican leader in the house has come out against them is being announced

today as something to be celebrated, as a huge policy move. >> you know, when the book came up, the publisher said the sad thing about the book is that it's always going to be newsworthy. there's always going to be cases in which the police have wilded out, used excessive force against african-americans. naming the book "the choke hold" was to honor eric garner who was killed when an officer of the nypd put mr. garner in an illegal choke hold while he was arresting him. with mr. floyd the arrest was for passing a counterfeit $20 bill. to honor these martyrs i think

one solution is to not allow police to make arrests for minor crimes like fake money or selling tobacco cigarettes. police can give a ticket for that, issue a citation. too often arrests for minor crimes escalate to tragedies like the death of mr. garner and mr. floyd. >> eddie, every day i look at the books behind you and try to match them with the book on my shelves starting with "the nickel boys." if you look at the sum total of all it represents, here we are in a national argument over things like choke holds, over removing 11 statues, renaming military bases that in the haze of history people have forgotten were names for generals on the

losing side, losing side militarily, losing side ideology. >> frederick douglas when he was a young man couldn't imagine america without slavery. he lived to see the emancipation proclamation, the civil war and reconstruction. he lived long enough to see the end of reconstruction and the beginning of jim crow. he saw the lost cause begin to be an argument brought forward by folks in the south and even complicit by folks in the north. he called them the apostles of forgetfulness. "the lost cause" is at the heart of the confederate statues.

dr. king said on the 100th birthday of w.b. dubois, he said african-americans have lived under oppression that has been justified by a fog of lies. he was referring to the history around reconstruction and the justifications used to oppress black folk. what we have to understand is between the 1890s and 1950s these statues were put up as monuments to an ideology. we can call it the lost cause or white supremacy. it makes sense at this moment that those symbols will be coming down, that people will clamore for them to come down. we're trying to begin again. we're trying to start over. we're trying to give birth to a new america. the question is will we be good and responsible mid wives? that's the question. >> to our guests our great

thanks for making our conversation better and starting off this hour for us and with us. a break for our coverage. when we return, as we mentioned, the top pentagon official general mark milley, u.s. army, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff apologized for taking part in that photo op with president trump last week because these pictures will last forever. mostly peaceful protesters removed from lafayette square. as coronavirus cases continuing to climb and hospitalizations spike in parts of the country, the white house coronavirus task force has largely disappeared from public view. it's time for a nunormal with nucala. my nunormal: fewer asthma attacks. my nunormal: less oral steroids.

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we've been reporting here the nation's top military officer is now apologizing for his role in president trump's much criticized photo op at st. john's church in washington nearly two weeks later. the event drew wide spread condemnation from religious leaders, the general public and retired members of the military. the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff in camo, general mark milley, says he regrets being there. >> you saw the result of the photograph of me. that sparked a national debate

about the role of the military in a civil society. i should not have been there. my presence in that moment and in that environment created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics. as a commissioned uniformed officer it was a mistake that i learned from. i sincerely hope we all can learn from it. we who wear the cloth of our nation come from the people of our nation. we must hold dear the principle of an apolitical military that's so deeply rooted in the essence of our republic. this is not easy. it takes time and work and effort. it may be the most important thing we do every day. >> as you might remember, peaceful demonstrators were cleared out from lafayette park with tear gas and batons and flash bombs all to make way for the president's photo op.

now over 1,200 former department of justice officials are demanding answers about this very incident in a letter to the doj inspector general, the former officials call on the justice department watchdog to investigate attorney general bill barr's in the decision to clear out the protesters. all the former doj officials called the photo op, quote, a politically motivated event in which attorney general barr participated. the administration sent mixed messages as to who gave the order to clear out the protesters. barr denied in so many words giving the order to clear the square. earlier in the week white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany told reporters barr made the decision. this much we were able to see with our own eyes. that was bill barr himself visiting the park on that day and visibly inspecting the crowd

assembled there. back with us former fbi assistant director for counter intelligence and an msnbc national security analyst. my apologies to anyone who was watching you and me last night because i'm about to repeat the question i asked you then because your answer is important. people are exhausted. people have seen these kinds of group-signed letters go into a black hole. people have seen a government that fires inspectors general when it gets too hot. why did you sign this letter and why is this so important to you? >> thanks, brian. look, i think there's something called outrage fatigue that's taking hold in our nation and even amongst our leaders. so i signed a letter like this demanding an inquiry and

demanding answers into something that's outrageous because i refuse to fall into the fatigue trap. i refuse to accept this as the new normal. with regard to the attorney general, he has a thing or two to learn from general milley who learned how to say i'm sorry and apologize. from the attorney general we get waffling, distancing and distraction even when he conflicts with the white house statement and when we have questions of law and authority. does the attorney general now think he controls the secret service, the park police, national guard troops? what is his authority? what is his lawful authority? we're setting a precedent. that's why we're demanding an inspector general inquiry. he looks at three things -- waste, fraud and abuse. the attorney general's action by

his own admission included meeting with law enforcement officials to plan and execute the pushing of the perimeter in lafayette park. it includes the designation of the dea as some sort of secret agency to monitor and surveil protesters. if we have the attorney general perhaps involved in the violation of first amendment and fourth amendment rights of citizens, we need to know about it. we need him to make the case. that's why i signed that letter. >> frank, i'm with you on the refuse to be fatigued. if the inspect or general -- horowitz is the only one still standing. i would love your thoughts on what that might be. he's been brutal on former fbi directors. if you were investigating barr's

actions, you might want to investigate this the crowd was loud and peaceful, but at no point did i feel any danger. i was standing right there. i believe i saw civil rights being violated in order for a photo op. i'm here to support and defend the constitution of the united states. what i saw goes against my oath. to see everyone cover up what happened, what i saw was absolutely wrong. is there a possible civil rights violation that has taken place? and is there the authority as the doj inspector general to interview and find d.c. guardsmen who feel this way? >> nicolle, you're right. that individual would make a great witness. if you were to sit down and

close the door in a room with the leadership of those law enforcement agencies and those national guard troops, you would likely hear similar concerns about who was authorized to instruct them to do what and the techniques they used. with regard to civil rights violations we're engaged in a national discussion about excessive use of force by the authorities. what the fbi investigates is something called color of law, meaning that excessive force and abuse is occurring under the color of law. well, you can't get more under the color of law than the attorney general of the united states. if he engaged in the planning and execution of what happened in that park, he could come under the rubric of a color of law violation. we need the inspector general to do it. why is he still there? his reporting does balance

criticism of the fbi and rightfully so in some cases, with actual exoneration of certain fbi officials. that keeps him alive and well. just like general milley and just like i commented about dr. fauci and dr. burke, now the doj is almost in a hostage situation where he has to negotiation for his survival and for facetime with leadership. general milley is about to see what happens when you criticize something that happened with the president of the united states and that's what is causing these igs to leave and some of them to hang on for dear life. >> as a student of patterns, i have to point out another example of bill barr standing outside the mainstream, not just of law enforcement, but of the law, the criminal law in this case. this is from the referee that was brought into the flynn case after doj abruptly decided,

never mind, he didn't mean to lie to the fbi. we didn't mean to prosecute him. he didn't mean to confess. no need to sentence. here's what the former judge john gleason said about william barr. the reasons offered by the government are so irregular that they are did he efficient. more over it shows prosecutorial abuse. a decision to dismiss is based solely on the fact that mike flynn is a political ally of president trump. can you translate that for us, frank? >> you got a scathing rebuke from a respected career prosecutor and judge of the attorney general of the united states. any other human being and public servant would look at that and feel shame and feel the need to

explain and even feel the need to step down for the good of justice and the rule of law. we've heard absolute silence from this attorney general with regard to that scathing rebuke. this is what our attorney general is up to. that motion to dismiss flynn was based on partisan politics, friendship between flynn and the president and he's been called out on it. we need to call the attorney general out on it because flynn, as judge gleason said, not only should those charges not be dismissed, but he should be sentenced and the sentencing judge should consider the lying in court as part of that sentence. >> frank, as i said on our broadcast last night, this is why we ask you to come on and talk with us about these matters. greatly appreciated. up next a new warning that a spike in infections could be heading our way and in some states, indeed, it's already

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