relaxing when their coworkers, their colleagues, other police officers was out on the streets getting pelted with rocks and bottles and putting their lives on the line. we had these police officers found a cubby hole and they went relacking in that cubby hole, leaving their friends, their colleagues, their coworkers out to fend for themselves. what cowards! what cowards. these are absolutely a bunch of cowards in uniform. >> congressman bobby rush represents the south side of chicago and has for many, many years. thank you so much for sharing some time with us tonight, congressman. >> thank you so very much, chris. >> that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" begins now. >> thank you, chris. happy to have you here. the s&p 500 dropped nearly 6% today. the dow jones industrial average

dropped nearly 7% today. dropped over 1,800 points. today we learned that more than 1.5 million more americans filed for unemployment in the past week. the good news about this statistic is that is -- 1.5 million is the the lowest number of americans who have applied for unemployment in the past ten weeks. the bad news is that that number today is horrific, and it is still easily more than double the worst week we ever previously had for unemployment claims before this crisis, which was back at the absolute depths of the great recession. our best week in ten weeks is still more than twice as bad as it has ever been before. that's how bad things are. the economy is officially in recession. the fed is predicting not only a severe 6% plus economic contraction for the country this year, the fed is also predicting

that unemployment will stay above 9% for the year, and will stay high beyond that. and, you know, we have spent all of this breath and ink having these frankly sort of stupid substance free reductive arguments about whether we as a country should work on trying to stop the coronavirus epidemic here, or whether we instead shouldn't do that and we should prioritize our economic health. it turns out, guess what? having a raging out-of-control coronavirus epidemic that's killing tens of thousands of americans, that is a terrible thing for the economy. so yes, the economic indicators are bad. they have been terrible and they remain so. but you're also now seeing the market react as we see headlines all over the country, as national news organizations stick their heads back above

the -- and report things with horror about how things have not gone the way they thought they should with the pandemic. things have not gone the way people hoped they would when we started to pretend as a country these things aren't happening. so you're now seeing headlines like this and the market reaction. quote, as coronavirus cases rise nationwide, public experts urge caution. politico.com virus cases spike, governors reject new lockdowns. the associated press, alarming rates in virus cases as states roll back lockdowns. "the new york times" -- coronavirus infections climb. washington moves on to other business. i mean, the thing is it might be fun to try to move on to other business, but when 800 to 1,000 americans are dying every day, when we're looking at 200,000 americans dead by september at

this rate, you can only ignore it so long before people notice the body count if nothing else, if not the rising case count that show the epidemic is getting worse and faster. in almost half the country. i mean, here's -- for example, here's some case numbers. here's alabama, arizona, arkansas, and florida. right? these are their curves, their case numbers -- daily new case numbers each day. see what all those curves are sh sh showing? this is not the way the curves are supposed to look. remember everyone said we would have to first wave and everything would go down and be chill. that is not what's happening. here's kentucky, nevada, north carolina, and oregon. again, this is not the way it's supposed to be going after they all re-open right? it's red states and blue states.

honestly it seems like it's disproportionately red states where it's getting worse the fastest, but it's blue states too. here's another four. south carolina, tennessee, texas, utah. utah is the only one of all these states that i've just shown which is at all considering hitting pause on their re-opening plans, because their numbers are not what they were planning on, not what they were hoping on, not what they said they would get. but these numbers, these curves, these are real, and they have consequences that even people who don't want this to be real people are going to have to pay attention to. so you are now also seeing headlines like this. dow slides more than 1,800 points on fears of coronavirus resurgence. the only knit i would pick with that headline is it might not be fears of coronavirus resurgence, it would be evidence of coronavirus resurgence. "the new york times" explaining

the market blood bath today this way -- wall street analyst haves long cautioned that another wave of coronavirus cases that lead to a new round of stay-at-home restrictions and layoffs could startle investors. startling is one way to put it. but how's our government doing in the midst of these challenges? how are they rising to these challenges? well, today the president went to dallas, texas, to do an event focused on race and policing. okay, a policing event in dallas. well, in dallas, the police chief is african-american. in dallas, the sheriff is african-american. in dallas, the local d.a., the lead prosecutor for dallas, is also african-american. the president today comes to dallas for his race and policing event. the white house invites none of those local officials to the president's event. hmm. all top law enforcement officials in dallas are all

black. none of them were invited to the president's event in dallas to talk about law enforcement. now, the white house says they did invite the mayor of dallas, mayor eric johnson, who is also african-american. mayor johnson's office told the white house the mayor was otherwise engaged. which is understandable. how would you as the mayor show your face at the race and policing event in your town when all of the top law enforcement people in your town were excluded and they all happen to be black. how would you go on being the mayor and dealing with law enforcement in your community in you showed up when none of the other folks were invited. how else is the government going right now? tonight the giant chairman chiefs of staff, chairman millie issued an apology for taking part in that death of the republic photo op where he marched out of the white house alongside the president wearing his combat fatigues and representing the u.s. military after the attorney general had

ordered federal forces to shoot gas and rubber bullets at peaceful protesters outside the white house so the president could pose for pictures holding a bible on the other side of lafayette park. general millie was there at that event lending his credibility and the apparent support of the u.s. military in his person to that event with the president. late that are night he went out, still in his combat fatigues to strut around the streets of washington, d.c. he said, to survey the situation. this is after the president told the nation's governors that day that he was putting general millie, quote, in charge. in charge of what? i don't know. but having a uniformed general walk around washington, d.c. like he owns the place when maybe the president just told him he does own the place was something more than unsettling. and we don't know it took a week and a half for general millie to realize the gravity of what he did wrong there and apologize

for it. but he has apologized for it now and that itself is an important thing. >> as many of you saw, the result of the photograph of me at lafayette square last week, that sparked a national debate about the role of the military in civil society. i should not have been there. my presence in that moment and in that environment created a perception of the military involve in the domestic politics. as a commissioned uniform officer it was a mistake that i learned from, and i sincerely hope we all can learn from it. we who wear the cloth of our nation come from the people of our nation, and we must hold dear the principle of an apolitical military that is so deeply root in the essence of our republic. >> chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, chairman mark millie today. you know, it is a hallmark of this moment in time that i would guess about half the country now

assumes that because general millie said that -- because he talked about how people in the military wear the cloth of a you are nation, come from the people of our nation, we must come from the principle of an apolitical military. i would guess half the nation assumes that because general millie said that, the president will soon find a reason to replace general millie with someone who doesn't feel that way about the apolitical military or someone who could be counted on to not say so out loud. we are having an extraordinary governing moment right now in our country. in response to the huge protests against police violence and for racial justice these past couple of weeks. tonight, for example, just before getting on the air, the whole city council in louisville, kentucky, unanimously signed on as cosponsors to what they're calling breonna's law, to ban the kind of no-knock warrant

police used to storm into emt breonna's house to shoot her, kill her inside her home this past march. the city council in louisville will pass that ban unanimously. the mayor will sign it and it will be a total ban on those kinds of warrants in louisville, kentucky. in minnesota, the state's governor just signed on to a sweeping redo of policing in that whole state which among other things would take police out of the business of investigating themselves in use of force cases. it would fund community groups to be an alternative to functions of the police. it would put the investigation of officer involved deaths in the hands of the attorney general instead of local prosecutors. sweeping reforms focused on accountable for police. and the state's governor now says he is on board with that in minnesota. i mean, that's just two little snapshots of things going on, but this is happening all over the country.

the ban of choke holds reform measures for police departments that are more drastic, creative, aggressive than we have seen in a nation. it's happening all over the country. meanwhile, at his "don't invite the black police chief" policing event today, the president of our country said outloud that seeing tear gas used against protester these past couple of weeks was, quote, a beautiful scene. that was his phrase, a beautiful scene. he said seeing tear gas used against protesters was beautiful. he said it was like a knife cutting butter. you know, i feel like if we have learned one thing over these past three plus years we have learned that the sickness that you feel in hearing that remark from the president and reading that quote from the president, the president loves that that turns your stomach. . the whole point of him saying tough like that, of his campaign now making ads out of the clubbing and beating of

protesters, the whole point of it is because he knows it makes you sick. he lives for your outrage. he lives for our outrage. it's his one neat trick for political gain and dominating the media. outrage, distract, demoralize, rinse, repeat. what am i not supposed to say? here's me saying it ten times. go crazy. he loves how sickening this is to a big portion of the country. which is why it's all the more important to look at what he and his administration are doing and not just what he's saying. because he says the things he says to rile you up, rile up the media and start that polarization cycle that in the end he thinks creates a shard of the american public that would vote for him even though others are demoralized and outraged at

his behavior. that's why his campaign behaves in this constantly increasingly inflammatory way. it's designed to have this psychological effect on us. so if you don't want to have your chain yanked in that way, if you do not want to be led by him and the way he calculates his political benefit, have a look at what his administration are doing, not what they are saying. particularly when you get a look at what they don't want to you know about what they're doing. so in terms of thinking about today's news and what is going on in this incredibly dark moment for our history, i want to let you know about two internal trump administration documents that have been dug up and shown to the public despite the fact that the administration did not want to show these things publicly. the first one comes from new hampshire senator maggie hassen who told fema they needed to make public this document. it shows fema's current approach

to critical medical supplies needed for health-care workers responding to the ongoing and once again growing coronavirus epidemic in our country. the document shows, quote, the demand for medical gowns outpaces current u.s. manufacturing capabilities. also, there is still no u.s.-based manufacturing for nitrile gloves. this says after months of wartime powers to pressure -- gowns and surgical masks, those things have only ticked up by a few thousand per month since the pandemic hit, which falls far short of the need now, let alone any future need as the epidemic continues to grow and resurge. so there was that early panic about ppe. then you started hearing less about it. now our need for ppe is once

again outpacing what we've got on hand for ppe. what's fema going to do about it as the emergency management agency? they have a two-part plan. flawless. the first part is they think that as a country, as a matter of course now, we will just widely reuse all of our n-95 masks and medical gowns. that should be fine. ask a nurse how sustainable that is for the long run and how safe. we'll stop throwing away our gowns. nationwidewell just reuse all that stuff. that's the first part of their plan. the second part of their plan is fema is expecting things will get better. this is from the fema document the senator forced into the public view. steadily declining hospitalization rates should reduce ppe usage, but demand in

summer -- yeah, they may want to build up their supplies again. they may need to artificially have extra on hand to note re-opening requirements but they're not going to be using ppe anymore, not with coronavirus hospitalizations dropping like we expect them to through the summer. they'll drop off, right? fema is assuming covid hospitalizations are going to drop like a stone, at least through summer, june and july, because that's what everybody is saying tis going to happen in te summer, it's going to go away. if that's the hope, i understand the hope. but if that's the plan for the federal emergency management agency as a country of 300 million plus people, if the plan is to expect hospitalizations to drop because it's summer, if that's the plan, we are in trouble. what's driving the national headlines now about worrying

resurgence, worrying case numbers, right? worrying growth and coronavirus and the signs of epidemic all over the country? among other things we are seeing hospitalizations go through the roof in multiple states all at once. when hospitalizations go up it's not a sign you're doing more testing. it's a sign you're help dem sick growing. texas has seen a 42% increase in hospitalizations since memorial day weekend. total cases in texas have shot up by one-third in just the past two weeks. but their hospitalizations up 42% since memorial day weekend. in arkansas, total cases have shot up by a third. in the past one week, in arkansas, hospitalizations are up 90% since memorial day. in south carolina, since the end of may, daily new case number

haves doubled. south carolina has set a new record for cases in that state in 14 out of the last 15 days. the state epidemiologist saying in a public press conference, i'm more concerned about covid-19 in south carolina than i have ever been before. in the southwest, this was the front page of the arizona daily star. coronavirus cases surging hospitals at 83% capacity. but don't worry. fema has a plan for keeping all of our hospitals supplied with the ppe they need to deal with lots of covid patients and full wards and icus. fema's plan is that hospitalizations will probably drop a lot. in months that start with "j"? that's the plan. this is the other document you should also see.

this was from the cdc obtained by christopher wilson at yahoo news. this puts our response, our epidemic in this country in context against what's going on right now in the other top ten hit countries on earth. in this case, blue is a good sign, red is a bad sign. you see the list of top ten countries. usa, brazil, russia, spain, india, peru, germany. germany, over the past three days, they're getting way better. over the past three days, new cases down almost 50%. italy, also good. italy down almost 40%. spain down over 25%. that's good. the uk is down as well, the uk is down just over 20%. all good. in terms of the color coding here you see we're getting to the countries that are slightly less well. iran is not that much worse than the uk, but they're down just under 20% in terms of their new

cases over the last three days. brazil is down just about 10% in new cases which is not enough of a drop really for them to turn things around. the top ten worst epidemics where it's still getting worse. this is places are things look bad. you start getting into red there. india, peru, and russia. cases there are actually rising now. they're no longer dropping. they're rising 1%, 2%, even 5%. that's bad. then there's us. with already the worst epidemic on earth, and our case numbers between june 6th and june 9th rose 36% in those three days. and we've already got the biggest he biggest epidemic on earth by a factor -- we're already more than triple the -- i mean, it's -- whether you want to talk

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remember february? hmm, seems like a lifetime ago. in late february, coronavirus had been found in three dozen countries around the world. about 80,000 people were ineffected worldwide. less than 3,000 people had died.

on february 25th a senior officer at the u.s. centers for disease control came right out and said it, said what was going to happen in this country. she said in a fell phone briefing with reporters that a coronavirus outbreak in this country was i have benevitable. it was not a matter of if, but when, and said, quote, bankruptcy to everyday life might be severe. that it was time to start having tough talks in families and communities the kind of tough talk she herself was starting to have, including closing schools, closing businesses, reorienting businesses to operate remotely. all stuff that is now our regular version of life. that night after that shocking briefing from that cdc official in february, i was joined on this show by a pulitzer prize winning scientist laurie garrett and i asked her about what we had just heard from the cdc,

this sudden and dire warning from this cdc official. you know, it was back at a time when we had a cdc that was allowed to speak to the public. but dr. nancy messenier's warning was shocking at the time. this was what laurie garrett had to say about that. again, this was february. >> do you feel like the u.s. government is sort of timing those kinds of public alerts? are we past due for that sort of thing? is it possible it could create an overreaction? >> it's long overdue. we should have been ready and we're not. every single company that has more than a handful of employees should have an epidemic plan in place. do you have a way that your workers can work remotely and not come in, not congregate and infect others in the workplace? every school, every university, should be looking at how to have more and more of the course work be handled remotely.

and we don't have enough protective gear stockpiled or in inventory to supply all the personnel in the united states right now. today, rachel, in geneva, they held a press briefing that went on and on and on and on, almost an hour long, and it featured leaders of this team that had gone into china to investigate what's the status of the situation right now. they said in no uncertain terms, everybody should do what china did. well, now, can you imagine? we're going to shut down 100 million americans? we're going to shut every business in america? it was february 25th. you can see how long ago that was in part by how chose i was sitting to laurie garrett when we had that conversation. the idea that america would need to shift to those kinds of responses at that point was mind blowing. but, you know, being right is one thing. being right in advance when nobody else can see it and it

sounds like what you're saying is science fiction, that's not just a blessing that's a national resource. that's somebody worth listening and going back to. joining us now is laurie garrett. i appreciate you making time to come back tonight. thank you for being here. >> well, thank you. >> i'm grateful -- i was grateful at the time, i'm grateful in retrospect for how loud you were about what was coming even when nobody else was talking in the terms that you were talking. i have to ask you -- i don't want to guide you too much. i want to ask you big picture where you think we are right now. i feel very concerned about the number of states where the case numbers and hospitalization numbers are rising every day now. how do you feel about where we are, particularly this many months into it? >> oh, i think we're in terrible shape. i think that the reproductive rate of the epidemic, meaning

that rate at which any one individual is likely to effect another individual is well above 1, which means it's still growing. it may not be growing at the at astro nom cal rates in march, but it is still growing. we haven't snuffed it out and in certain communities it's growing frightingly fast. one of the communities where you can see a graph where it went -- phew -- is tulsa oklahoma where the president is holding a rally. that level of curve is really, really indicative of an out of control situation. and we can see in isolated communities all over the united states, a similar trend.

meanwhile when we talked back in february i thought we were on the cusp of a truly global pandemic. we are now not only beyond the cusp, we are fully into it and the southern hemisphere is now raging as they go into their winter. now every single one of the second tier economies, the so-called bricks economies, every single one of them has a giant epidemic going on right now. brazil, south africa, mexico, inkni inindonesia. go down the list. meanwhile, in europe, where they seem to have declines with the uk still struggling the economic impact is absolutely staggering. a new report just out this week from the oecd, basically the financial club of the richest companies on earth, estimates that every single country in

europe and every single country in the oecd is going to see a negative gdp. their countries are going back wards. the uk, france, italy, are going to be approaching negative 15% gdp. that's great depression. that's staggering. you know, we were -- after 2008, we were gasping because we were down to only positive 1% growth. now they're predicting for the united states, negative 8.5%. to put this in perspective, rachel, the worst case scenario pandemic plan that i saw last year said, gee, if it got really bad, we might have negative 4% gdp in the world. well, just this week, the world bank predicted the entire global economy -- every single country on earth -- collectively is going into a negative 5.2% gdp.

that's 5.2% of the wealth of the planet just shrinks. and amidst all of that, we have a pandemic. and it's not just miraculously going to stop. it's not miraculously going away. and here in the united states, we just have no national policy. we have no consistent strategy across the nation. there's no guidance coming to states in any coherent way from the cdc. they've essentially been quieted. and the whole entire stock market has been hanging by its finger nails until today when reality started to set in thinking, okay, we've got to have a vaccine and that's going get us out of this. we got to get a vaccine. well, what, rachel, happens if either one of the front line vaccines doesn't work properly or gives a very weak immune response that's not truly protective or worst yet causes a

negative side effect. then what does the market do? wow, stand back and watch your dust settle. >> laurie, in terms of the options that we have as a country, you said we basically have no national strategy and no coherent advice. we've seen the failures of the cdc as a national organization become what it is now. we have seen the white house leadership on this evaporate to a large extent, to the extent it was wrongheaded. now it's just gone. we see states running around like chickens with their heads cut off not knowing what to do. my question is this -- as we see 83% hospital usage, as we see texas, 42% rise in hospitalizations since memorial day, as we see arkansas worse than texas along those lines, we see the strain we're going to see on health-care systems as the epidemic just does its

thing, do we have options for trying to respond in ways that are coherent and that will make a difference that are along the same lines as the options that we had in february and march, or have some of our options a vladimir putin wa evaporated? >> i think our options for much of the country have indeed shrunk. here in new york where i am seated right now, we have brought this epidemic down to a really manageable, almost victorious level after more than eight weeks of the entire city being under shutdown and a tremendous amount of sacrifice and hard work by literally tens of thousands of people. that needs to be mirrored around the country before -- and by the

way, we're only like gingerly going into phase one of opening this week. there are parts of the country that have never been on full lockdown, never brought their numbers down for any consistent period of time, and they're already going into phase three re-opening. meaning just about everything is going to be open, almost every kind of retail operation, almost all sorts of service operations. even re-opening travel across state lines and so on. i mean, this is just irrational. and i think, you know, here in new york, you're going to hit a point where you're going to hear a human cry from people who sacrificed so much, including their jobs and their kids going to school, all these weeks, and now what? a traveler is going to come from florida where those restrictions have all been lifted and reintroduce covid to new york? how do you think new yorkers

will feel about all that? here's where the insanity is -- we don't have a national strategy, rachel. what's going to happen as this evolves over the summer and the weather gets warmer, people want to be at the beach and want to see another, they're fed up with being under lockdown, you're going to start seeing more and more animosity between states, more and more tension within states, across counties that have low levels versus counties with skyrocketing levels. the kind of solidarity that's essential to a disease like this is a evaporating before our eyes. just to remind you, because some of your audience may not have been paying attention when swine flu exploded -- the cdc was

fully in charge and did at least one full born press briefing every single day and did briefings for governors, every day did briefings for state health leaders, county health leaders. the level of engagement was enormous and the degree to which all of us looked to atlanta to hear, what's the latest? what advice are you giving us? was absolute. the result was that we had consistent policies across all 50 states and the territories. we knew what supplies everybody needed. we knew what vaccines everybody was going to get. we don't have any of that now. >> laurie garrett, health policy analyst, pulitzer prize winning analyst. person from whom i learn something new every time i talk to you. it's terrible news, but thank you for your clarity. appreciate you being here. >> thank you, rachel.

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just about three weeks ago, the young charismatic mayor of montgomery, alabama, pulled the proverp y'all fire alarm. he gave astark public warning about the hospitals in his city filling up and reaching capacity. this was the front page of the montgomery add we avertiser. this is why the mayor give that warning. it was about that limitation on resources, while this was the snapshot of their total cases, rising steeply in montgomery county, alabama. that was accumulative total. this was the daily rate increases. bad, right? you've already got the limitation on resources and case numbers are still trending up

like that every day. so he sounded the alarm. we asked him to be on the show. three weeks ago today. he said that night his city was at a point where, quote, we can see the cliff and we don't want to get too close to it for fear of falling off. tonight, three weeks later, montgomery has been teetering on the edge of the cliff for all these three weeks. look at the situation there. look how they have been coping. cases in montgomery county still on the rise, unabated them arrow shows where montgomery was three weeks ago. whatever they were hoping to engender in terms of slowing the virus in montgomery county, it did not happen. look at the day by day cases. still spikes in montgomery coun county. as for hospitalizations, this is

from the alabama reporter. quote, combined the four major hospitals in montgomery are treating more positive patients as of tuesday this week than at any point since the pandemic began. here's the head of the alabama hospital association. quote, we're just full. i mean, this situation is just not sustainable. the filling up and spilling over of hospitals in alabama, specifically in montgomery, the steady rise in new cases, also comes as people have been gathering on the street of montgomery and elsewhere in alabama over the death of george floyd, protest of police violence and racial justice. multiple protest haves added a new layer. . montgomery's mayor stephanen re joins us once again, next. again.

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and right now in montgomery, we're at a point where we can see the cliff, and we don't want to get too close to it for fear of falling off. and that's why we sounded the alarm. >> that was from -- that was montgomery, alabama mayor speaking on this show three weeks ago, sounding the alarm about hospital capacity in his city as the state of alabama continued reopening despite the steady climb in coronavirus cases there. now, three weeks later, three weeks after he sounded that alarm, cases are still climbing and the hospitals in montgomery are worth worrying about. joining me now is mayor steven reed. thank you so much for making time to be with us this evening. i wanted you to keep us apprised about how things are going in montgome montgomery. this is me just checking back in with you. how are things going in your city? >> rachel, i wish i could say they were going a lot better,

but unfortunately, they're going in the wrong direction. we're at a point right now that we'll surpass where we were in may and we're only through the first 11 days of june. unfortunately, while we have beds and ventilators available, we are full and we are at capacity in our icu beds here in montgomery. and we just can't seem to get people to understand that we have not won the battle with covid-19 yet, and we have to continue to remain vigilant in this process. right now in the city, it seems as though some people are wearing masks, some others are not, and i think that's problematic regarding the trend line that we would like to severe sus tsee versus the one that is the reality right now. >> when you say that you're full, i saw the quote this week from the hospital association saying this is just not sustainable. we are just full. but yet you say there are still beds available.

people can still be treated when they come to the hospitals. how are the hospitals dealing with that in terms of flex capacity, in terms of moving people between different wards, in terms of how they're handling being full but still needing to take in new cases, new patients, both those with covid and those without? >> right now what we're being told is that they're able to see patients. they're able to deal with people as they come in. it's just that the icu beds that are full but they have capacity to convert other rooms into icu units. so they feel like it is a manageable situation right now, but it is not one that we can sustain. and the problem with that is that our hospital staff is fatigued. they are emotionally and physically worn out, and we're starting to see some of those cracks. and i think for communities such as ours, we have to remind ourselves that we each have a responsibility in this, and we each have to make sure that

although we want to get to the end of this series, so to speak, we aren't there yet. we're still in the beginning or maybe the middle at best of this battle with covid-19 virus, and we have to do those things that we were doing just a couple of months ago. but right now, we haven't been doing those and talking with dr. scott harris, our director for the department of public health, he believes this is the perfect timing for what can be traced back to memorial day weekend, and this is about that incubation time to see an outbreak of when people gathered together over memorial day and certainly days before and after that are producing some of these results in these skyrocketing numbers. >> mr. mayor, are you concerned that -- i know you had some healthy protests in montgomery, alabama, just like pretty much every state in the country, every city in the country did in the wake of george floyd's killing and these racial justice

protests. are you concerned that that may also have been a factor in terms of new cases and new exposures in your state and in your city? >> i think that we will see those results coming in the next few days and weeks, and i certainly understand those protesters who wanted to get out there to express their rage, their anger and their frustration at the system. here in montgomery, they were very peaceful. they were very purposeful and we made it our priority to hear exactly what their complaints were and what changes they wanted to see. so i think we will see some of those -- the impact of those protests in the upcoming days. what i think we see right now is this being a wedge issue, unfortunately, and some people choosing to abide by the social distancing guidelines and others who are not. and unfortunately if you are in the grocery store, if you're out and about, you don't know whose asymptomatic, who is pre-symptomatic and who is symptomatic.

not enough people are wearing masks, not enough people are staying home and we cannot sustain this rate of infection that is going on in not only montgomery but in other parts of alabama. >> mayor steven reed of the great city of montgomery, i really appreciate you taking the time to join us again, sir. you are one of the most hard hit cities in the country. keep us apprised. we want to keep a national focus of what's going on there. thank you, sir. >> thank you. all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. back. stay with us they look the same. i've been spinning faster recently. i think they're getting bigger. feel them. [ television plays indistinctly ] yeah, they kind of feel bigger. yeah, cool. [ grunts ] sorry. switch to progressive and you can save hundreds -- you know, like the sign says. switch to progressive and you can save hundreds -- frustrated that clean clothes you want to wear always seem to need an iron? try bounce wrinkle guard dryer sheets.

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one quick head's up before we go. trump national security adviser mike flynn pled guilty twice to lying to the fbi about his contact with the russian government. under attorney general bill barr, the justice department nevertheless decided they would drop the prosecution of mike flynn. well, tomorrow morning a federal appeals court is going to hear arguments on whether they are going to force the judge in flynn's criminal case to go along with that, to go along with dropping the prosecution, despite the fact that he twice pled guilty. those arguments are going to be fascinating. they're going to be live streamed. you can listen in starting at 9:30 a.m. eastern,