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protesters in seattle have set up what they call an autonomous zone in a now-abandoned police precinct. the east precinct. protests continue to sweep the city. as you can see, the sign has been changed, seattle people department. part protest zone, part commune, part street festival. the situation has caught attention of leaders at the national level including the president. here's what he had to say. >> if they don't straighten that situation out we're going to straighten it out. we're not going to let seattle be occupied by anarchists. the woman -- i don't know how is she ever done this before? we're not going to let this happen in seattle. if we have to go in we'll go in. >> we're in seattle, spoken to

multiple people around the protest zone including organizers. vaughn, couple of questions, number one, does the president have any such autonomous powers to reach into a city and state and enforce his will. number two, it's a good bet this will be taught as a case study in government class at the university of washington, we just don't know yet if it will be taught in a good way or a bad way. >> reporter: it's been a while since insurrection act got talk. the president assert if he has to go in that we're going in. suggesting that the u.s. military you would use force, we're talking about six blocks here, the capitol hill neighborhood in the heart of seattle, we're talking about a six-block area, and that's where the heart of the question goes. the insurrection act suggests that the president may use the

u.s. military in the instance that the local law enforcement isn't able to protect its citizens. earlier this week the mayor's decision along with the police chief the city's decision to pull back their police force from those six blocks. now, what you heard from the mayor yesterday was a message directly to the president saying, his actions to bring in u.s. military force into seattle would be illegal, making the case that we want these demonstrators to have the streets to protect their first amendment rights and at this moment in time the police chief herself went into that police precinct yesterday and there's a suggestion that some of those police personnel could increase numbers into that now empty precinct. of course the question is, how many days? what does that look like? but i want to let you hear from one of those individuals. she referred to herself as part

organizer but a resident of the capitol hill neighborhood and why she's here at this moment in time. take a listen. unfortunately, we missed her messaging there. but what sarah was saying here, this is -- enough was enough and that's what you saw after a week of protests in which there was back and forth between the seattle police department and those protesters were trying to hold their ground, that's when finally the city here decided to pull back those forces, how long the president's willing to wait is the question. nicolle. >> vaughn hillyard in seattle,

always where all the action is, thank you for that great reporting. brian, i think you're right, these stories raise more questions than answers and we'll see how this turns out and republicans used to like to say, they were more local control, whatever you think of this decisionmaking, this is part of what local control looks like. so. >> yep, we're going to get the definition of law and order before too long here. have great weekend. thank you for having me. i'll watch your next segment. >> brian williams, thank you so much. when we return -- our interview with new york governor andrew cuomo who today signed a package of police reforms into law that he calls the most aggressive in the country. we're back right after this with governor cuomo live. re my skin ♪ ♪ yeah that's all me. ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand ♪

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take me through what all of the reforms do. >> good to be with you, nicolle. two different packages if you will. number one, we signed bills into law that were passed by legislature, that ban chokeholds, more transparency in disciplinary measures. we have the attorney general in the state is a special prosecutor because i believe there's always been an inherent conflict between the local d.a. and the police. in perception, if not realty, have that local district attorney handling a sensitive investigation about the police, so we signed those bills into law. second, i issued an executive order that says every police department in new york and the local governments have to sit at a table, with the local community, and come up with a

reinvention plan for their police department. we've all seen with the protesters. a basically saying enough is enough, they want change and there's no trust between the police and the community. if there's no trust, it doesn't work for anyone. you can't be policing a community that doesn't trust you and if you're the community, you're not going to have the police that you don't trust actually serving that function. so, we have 500 police departments, let that police department get reinvented, reformed through the lens of that community, nicolle, and they have to pass a new plan as a law and it has to be done in nine months so this can't be going on forever. and if they don't, by next april, then there won't be any state funding. >> let me ask you, so these

bills, my colleague, the rev al sharpton described these reforms as a model for the other 49 states, you were clearly ready, can you just talk about the public role played in making this legislation? it could have been passed after eric garner was murdered. it could have been passed -- you name the other cases. why now? >> nicolle, that's great point. first, change comes when the planets line up, right, but you have to be in a position to seize that moment. i passed the new york gun safety law right after sandy hook, right, because sandy massacre in connecticut, enough is enough. you seize that moment for change.

why after mr. floyd's death and not rodney king? and not shawn bell and not eric garner? i don't know why. maybe it's the cumulative effect. maybe the video was so horrendous in this case, maybe there was just breaking point because of everything that was going on with the isolation of the covid virus. i don't know why this moment. but it was this moment that the people erupted and said something has to be done. fine. now the planets are lined up. reverend sharpton said today, demonstration, legislation, reconciliation. it's not demonstration for the sake of demonstration. it's not protest for the sake of protest. it's protest to make change. what change do you want? and what we're doing in new york is saying, we'll take that moment, we're going to

institutionalize it. put that community at the table with that police department and make the changes you want made to restore the trust, what equipment -- what's the use of force policy? what should the staffing ratio be? what should the budget be? what should civilians do? what should police do? how should they handle a crowd? design the police department the way you want it and let's get on with the relationship of trust. do it by department by department. there's no one size fits all, but give them a deadline, nicolle, otherwise this will be a conversation that will go on. >> have you heard from joe biden today about taking your reform package and making it a part of the national platform? he said he didn't support defunding police, but very much an advocate of the reforms you signed into law? >> i didn't speak to mr. biden

about it today. but, look, you have these hyper -- hyperbolic political -- everybody agrees that you need a public safety function, right, that has to exist. but the taxpayers aren't going to pay for a public safety function they don't trust. that's what we learn. okay, let's actually seize the moment and let's redesign the police department. it's been 50 years in coming. redesign it for 2020. then fund it. and force the community and the police to sit down and make that decision, force the local community to redesign it and pass a law and use the state funding as an incentive/sanction to get them to actually do it. we're in this political environment, nicolle, they shouldn't use tear gas, they

shouldn't use rubber bullets. it's not a one-off. this is 50 years. it's the fundamental injustice of the system, it called racism. and the militarization of the police. >> the person who seemed to have a real stake in remaining -- you're right, people are not really that far apart in not wanting to see militarized police forces in every city in this country. but "the new york times" today describes donald trump basically as a cultural relic, is he doing harm at this moment? 76% of the public want to see the kind of reforms you signed. >> i don't think he's relevant to this conversation. i think the people who listen to the president listen to the president. and they always have. they probably always will.

but i don't think he's relevant to this conversation. i think he discredited himself with his actions right in front of the white house. i think using the military to set up a photo-op using a general, using a cabinet secretary, to bring in military forces, to clear peaceful protesters was disgusting. i think they should be ashamed in the military for being part of that political stunt. it violates everything we believe as americans. so, i think his credibility on this issue was gone as of that moment. >> he's also dealing himself out of relevance on the coronavirus front. we opened up as a city on monday. how is it going? how are our numbers holding up?

do you have any concerns about the size of the demonstrations? >> you want to hear something remarkable? new york state had the worst situation in the united states when we started, when it when io covid, right? the highest number of cases per capita in this country. per capita on the globe. that was new york. no fault of our own. the virus came from europe. nobody told us. everybody said the virus was coming from china. they were wrong, wrong. it was in europe. but that's why we had the number of cases. the flights came from europe. but we had the worst case scenario. today we have the lowest transmission rate in the united states of america. i mean, that's remarkable, what the people of new york did. they went from the worst case to the lowest level of transmission of any state in the united states. but you look around, nicole, it's frightening. you see 21 states are seeing

increases. 15 states hit a new high. reopen, reopen, reopen. yeah. reopen. all those people come out. you increase the activity. there is been very little control. very little monitoring and the spike is back. so who did you really help on this whole plan of expedited reopening? reopen because you want to. it's good for the economy. you saw the dow jones go up. you will see it come down just as fast. if that spike goes up. the spike goes up, the dow jones goes down. it's an inverse. and we've seen it over the past couple days and it is happening all across the country. so i'm just hoping that we keep our discipline in new york and we keep that rate of transmission down. but it is a frightening place for this country once again.

>> i'm old enough to remember florida and one other state that was warning against people coming from new york and asking to us quarantine when we traveled to their states. have you given any thought of asking people from any of the states spiking, to take their temperatures or quarantine or do anything when they come back into our state? >> well, wouldn't that be karma. wouldn't it be karma if i went out and said, i'll thinking of quarantining. i won't let those people from florida come in. you know, they have a very high infection rate in florida. i don't want them coming here. i think i would do it just one morning. just for the enjoyment of it. but no. >> well, the cases are a black box, really. >> by the way, the president of the united states talked about quarantining new york and new jersey. don't forget that. >> i remember.

i remember. >> he talked about having a forced quarantine. not since the civil war. they were talking about blocking access to new york. you want to see a second civil war, you would have if they did that. >> i have one more question for you. are you in a position to make any projections or share any of your expectations about whether or not the school year will start in september? in any part of the state? >> september? my crystal ball does not go that far. >> it's coming. i know. moms and dads want to know. >> yeah. well, i don't. i only have a 30-day crystal ball. it was the discount crystal ball. i can't see september. i'll tell you when we get a little closer. look, our numbers are coming down. other states are going up. does that wind up infecting us?

who knows? when it comes to opening schools, i want to have the best facts we can and let's get a little closer and then i'll get a new crystal ball. >> all right. this is within the skill set of your kicrystal ball. west point tomorrow. should the cadets be permitted to wear mask that's the they want to? >> why wouldn't you let them wear masks? is this another political photo op? and we don't want the cadets wearing masks in our photo? it can only help. most states that are responsible are working very aggressively. west point happens to be in a state called new york where i passed an executive order. i signed an executive order saying wear masks. west point is in new york, right? so of course they should wear masks. and why don't we just stop with

these military connotations and political events? what we saw in washington was military interference in a political event. and you come back with west point after that? i mean, you want to talk about not learning the lesson, right? the general said it was inappropriate. the secretary said it was inappropriate. okay. so now we use west point. i understand. at least wear a mask when you're doing your photo op. >> i hope so. i hope if they want to, they're allowed to. governor cuomo, thank you for joining us on your big news and all the news of the day. always great to spend some time with us. when the fall school year comes into focus, we want to hear any predictions. i think parents are feeling a lot of angst about the summer and the uncertainty about the fall. so thank you for fielding our questions. and thanks for spending some time with us. coming up, amid two crises -- thank you.

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hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. donald trump's exploitation of the u.s. military for political purposes has created what the "washington post" today describes as, quote, the biggest civil military crisis in more than a decade. it's all part of the continuing and growing fallout from trump's insistence on thrusting the military into this fraught moment of anger and grief over racial injustice that is only beginning to become public but represents what two national security officials described to me as extraordinary turn behind the scenes of the pentagon. "the new york times" describes that apology from the top military official, general milley, for his participation in the president's political stunt is sure to get him in trouble with mr. trump writing this.

general milley's first public remarks in the photo op in which federal authorities attacked peaceful protesters so the president could hold up a bible in front of st. john's church are certain to anger the white house. nbc news is reporting that milley considered resigning amid the widespread back lash. sources tell me as the nation's top civilian defense leader, secretary march esper is also on shaky ground. his job security, tenuous. all this leads to trump's next attempt to turn the military into a back drop. his speech tomorrow at west point. esper and milley expected to sit out according to new reporting from the "washington post" which adds this concern from an expert about the potential for the occasion to turn disastrous. quote, it is going to be an especially fraught moment. if the president chooses to use the west point commencement as another way to wrap himself in the uniforms of the american military in order to build political support, it will

demonstrate that there is no limit to what the president is willing to do. no damage he will avoid doing to the respect the american public has for our military. if you need any further evidence of why the military has hit a crisis point with donald trump's conduct and rhetoric, here he is, describing national guard troops breaking up crowds of protesters in minneapolis. >> in minneapolis, they went through three nights of hell and then i was insistent on having the national guard go in and do their work. it was like a miracle. everything stopped. and i'll never forget the scene. it's not supposed to be a beautiful scene but to me it was, after you watch policemen running out of a police precinct. but we are very proud of the fact that i called, i said i'm sorry. we have to have them go in. they went in and it was like a knife cutting butter right through. i'll never forget. you saw the scene. on that road, wherever it may

be, in the city, minneapolis. they were lined up. they just walked straight. and yes, there was some tear gas and probably some other things, and the crowd dispersed and they went through it. by the end of the evening, it was a short evening. everything was fine and you didn't hear too much about that location having problems anymore. >> some of our favorite reporters and friends, associated white house reporter jonathan is back, plus michael steele, and former democratic congresswoman do nnna edwards. i think about six months into hosting the show, i said once the bottom was calling and they wanted to know if we were there yet. i quickly realized the bottom would never call because there is no bottom. but jonathan, this does seem like a crisis even by trumpian standards. the stand-off, the need for the military, even the people right there to feel they have to make

a video that will be seen around the world, apologizing for being seen in fatigues next to the president for propaganda stunt. >> i think you're right. i was speaking to someone who says this current moment is reminiscent only of charlottesville and helsinki in terms of how low it is in the white house. certainly there is a crisis between white house and the pentagon west saw john milley trying to reestablish it between the west wing and the defense department. it wasn't just his words carrying the apology but that video was so powerful to watch, to realize he had indeed made a mistake. certainly, according to our reporting, there is some unhappiness in the oval office about what happened. we're not certain if milley would be on his way out. we know the president was certainly angry at him. we know he was angry at secretary esper in the days before but there is an effort to make a change at such a

tumultuous time and five months before the election. but he has certainly put the military in an incredibly awkward position. i think you were right that the speech tomorrow at west point will be an important moment. he has largely stuck to the script in the past. he knows his poll numbers are slipping. he seems to be grasping and flailing for a message works while still trying to lean in on the idea of law and order and military strength, while not really recognizing the concerns of the protests. those marching almost uniformly, peacefully in the streets at this point. and of course, it comes after he said that he would not consider renaming the military bases that were named after confederate generals. even though the department of defense said they would be open to that which again seems like perhaps not just another fracture line between the president and his defense department, but also at the

moment where donald trump seems to be on the wrong side of history. >> you know, michael steele, on the wrong side of history, no doubt, but on the wrong side of the nano second as well. you have the military, you have republicans in congress, every democrat in congress. and it is so easy. i mean, their defense for not doing it is ludicrous. barely a defense at all. it is something they pulled out of a hat before the briefing started. but the idea that they don't do the easy things makes it, as you have warned me and admonished me time and time again, abundantly clear that they won't take on the difficult things. >> no, they're not. and there is no incentive to at this point because the commander in chief, their boss, the president of the united states, is the one who dictates the terms of the engagement. a mistake or a bad thing doesn't happen in the administration and then everybody gets in the room and does the war drill on it and

sort of figures out how to game it out and fix it. he is the one who is dictating the way that operates. how that is spoken. look at the number of communication directors and national spokespersons he's had standing at the podium on his behalf. he's trying to fine tune this thing to get it to the point where the person who is going to be the figure head is the puppet mouthpiece that will spew out exactly what he wants said, in their official capacity so he can sort of create that sort of heisman distance between them and him. but they're saying exactly what he wants said. so when the joint chief comes back and says, no, no, that was bad ops, bad politics and bad for the military, that takes him off the script. when he does the same, it takes him off the script.

that is why he's flailing. so that's the reality. it won't change. we have five more months of this. do you think this is the hot spot? oh, we're just warming up. and he is now trying to find the team that will give him official government team. his campaign team, he is reassembling it. now he needs to get the official government team in space to make sure that those two ends meet at the same point. him. and then goes forward with what he wants done. >> well, if i can just push back, or not push back but push deep order this idea of assembling the team, he seems to view the military as part of the team. i mean, someone told me, the former military official told me that he thought it was still more likely than not that esper was not there in november. do you think he's going to push these military leaders to a breaking point? >> i think that will remain up

to them and what is their breaking point. we've seen with folks in this administration, some have a long way before they break. others maybe not. i think the idea that he sees the military as his team already, that was undermined by what we've seen from esper and from milley. i think for him, i don't think he makes the change any time soon. the optics and the politics given everything else doesn't necessarily help him. having said that, it may be easier for him to clean those decks now and bring in somebody, or maybe just leave it in the air with an acting or whatever, again, where he has more control than he does right now. >> donna edwards, i mean, you've represented a lot of military

families in your district, and you have your finger on the pulse of what this feels like in congress. is it an overstatement to say there is bipartisan support for things like renaming these bases in support of the military? and trump is sort of outside the main stream of both parties, plus his own pentagon? >> well, i think, nicole, we've already begun to hear that from republicans and democrats alike. talking about the idea of this renaming process. recognizing that the names of some of our installations is out of step with the times, and frankly, was out of step and is out of step with history. i want to step back for a minute. i don't think that either secretary esper or general milley should be waiting for the president to make a decision about what the president is going to do with them. at first i thought that milley's

apology was enough. but i don't believe it is. i believe the strongest signal that could be sent would be with a resignation. because this is affecting the core of the command structure in terms of understanding what the role is of the military with our civilian government. and look, i'm a military brat. i'm going to confess. so the president's behavior has been appalling. but is doing generational damage to the military and our relationship with the american public. and i think it is really just that serious. and i've long been concerned, frankly, that the president has very often used the military as a back drop for very heinous attacks on the electoral and political leadership in the country, in a very inappropriate way. this is the culmination of that. well, i should not say culmination. i don't believe it is the end.

but it wasn't, it's been from the entirety of his presidency, and it is doing great damage to our nation and to our constitution. >> donna, let me ask but something joe biden said this week in an interview with trevor noah. he said he thought the military would have the distinction of having to escort donald trump from the white house, if joe biden is to win and donald trump is to lose. do you think that's a snare the military, i mean, the military man's for everything, but do you think that's a scenario they might be planning for? >> i don't think the military would relish the moment of doing that but i do think our constitution demands us to think about a president who who has so internalized his role as a president forever, that i think joe biden is right to be concerned about whether this

president would relinquish the white house on his own, should he lose. and if they're not planning for it, i think that there probably should be some scenario planning for anything that might happen after this election. >> so jonathan, it was describe as the biggest civil military clash in a decade. that would quickly be superseded if joe biden's prediction, and i don't know if joe biden was just imagining a worst case scenario or if he really thinks that's a possibility. i think we saw donald trump conhe is the the results of the 2016 election and try to invalidate the popular vote in the united states of america, with somebody from kansas who was to go about and invalidate large swaths of the popular vote. so donald trump has a record of trying to invalidate elections in which he wins and of denying

to you, you mentioned helsinki. accepting the u.s. intelligence community's assessment of what happened in 2016. this is well trodded turf for donald trump. meddling in our own country's elections. do you think this is something being talked about inside the government? >> certainly we know one thing president trump in his previous high of, donald trump, as a developer, hates the idea of losing. so even before the election. remember, down the stretch. all the talk from him about how the process was rigged and when he was pressed, i believe, at the third debate about whether or not he would accept the results, he didn't really give an answer that he would. so i think that is a concern. certainly it should be noted. there is no evidence, no suggestion now that he would refuse to leave office were he to lose. he had joked about it. he has said that he would run for multiple terms because he thinks he'll win.

what we do know is this. what democrats are certainly alarmed about, the idea the president will lean to that idea again. that this process was rigged. that it might not be valid. we're seeing him sowing some seeds of. . saying about voter fraud and balloting. saying that states aren't doing things on the up and up. we know democrats are deeply concerned about georgia, how difficult it was for voters to cast their ballots. that they were being disenfranchised. and i think there's perhaps a greater fear that president trump on his side might lean boo that idea rather than him refusing to leave the oval office. we have five months to go. the president and his advisers, they know right now. yes. they are losing. they feel like despite the coronavirus infections surging again, they feel like the

economy, if it picks up, they would have a shot. certainly joe biden and his team are nervous about what lies ahead. >> michael steele, let me get you on the record on john bolton, his book, over the objections of this white house has been shipped, in the washington today it is reported that in his new book, he says the trump committed other ukraine-like transgressions writing this. i'm hard pressed to identify any significant trump decision during my tenure that was not driven by re-election calculations, bolton writes. what bolton saw astonished him. a president for whom getting reelected was the only thing that mattered, even if it men endangering or weakening the nation. a stunning, stunning whistleblower account, if you will, from inside the house. and we can talk forever about the cowardice of missing the

moment to testify at a time when that account might have changed the outcome of donald trump's national trial. but the fact the person closest to his foreign policy decision making said he saw a president who endangered and weakened the nation is staggering. >> it is staggering, nicole, but i'm not going to sleep on the first point you made. brother had a chance to come out and put this out for the nation in the middle of an impeachment trial. he had a chance to put that out there during the mueller hearing. there are so many opportunities where that narrative, among many others, could have chair identified for the country who we were dealing with. who was this man in who is this man sitting behind the resolute desk in what are his principals? what are the things that drive him? what are the policy that's he's affected in a way that distorts the character and the name of our purpose as a nation in so i

get it. the book sales are important and it will be nice to know that. maybe in time for the election. maybe that's the goal. to get something like the out. i cannot lose sight of the fact at a crucible time for our country, at a time when we were wrenched apart and divide, he could have been that voice and that clarifying voice that would have given as you different perspective, and who knows? maybe we would be in a different position right now. maybe the outcome would have been different, maybe not. i don't know if i'm interested in reading about it now. >> donna edwards, i take michael steele's point and i'll raise him one issue. the country didn't need to hear it. 60% of the country understood that donald trump extorted the leader of ukraine.

it was a much smaller universe of people that needed to hear this. it was republicans in the senate, who with the exception of mitt romney, swivelled their heads the way they do when kasie hunt approaches them in the halls of congress, and say hear no evil, see no evil, and that was their excuse. on the substance and the method of john bolton's message about donald trump and u.s. national security. your thoughts. >> well, nicole, i think many. us recognized that. and i think even in the united states national, they recognized it, too. and john bolton needed to be a patriot to stand up and say that you understand oath. and he missed his opportunity to help us save the republic from a dangerous president that he identified as a danger to the nation, and to the world. and instead, he chose to put it in a book and then wait for the

payoff. i'm not interested in reading it, although i'm sure i'll read a lot about it. >> important to note. he was so alarmed he did send all his deputies to the counsel's office, and i believe it is the same counsel's office that is now trying to stop him from publishing. so in trump world, everything wraps up together in some ugly braid. thank you both for starting us off. when we come back, read the fine print. trump putting the health of his rallygoers at risk but asking them on sign away their right to sue him for it. a story you have to see and hear to believe. plus, joe biden filling a leadership vacuum created by donald trump being awol in the conversation on race in america. that as "the new york times" describes trump as a cultural relic. and william barr and donald trump's effort to subvert justice, and drop the flynn

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these are the forgotten men and women of our country, and they are forgotten, but they're not going to be forgotten long. these are people who work hard but no longer have a voice. i am your voice. >> he's your voice and your protectedor until he's not. trump now risking the lives of his own supporters in order to have a full and unmasked crowd to speak in front of at his rally next week. those requesting tickets now see this message on the trump campaign website.

quote, by danieling the rally you and any guest assume all risks related to and poeshl tower covid-19 and agree not to hold donald j. trump for president inc. liable for any illness or injury. to recam, they are his base, his people, and he's willing to risk their lives for an ego boosting rally. >> a trump course told me last night that he just hates what the masks look like. he doesn't want to wear one and doesn't want to see one. >> the cognitive dissonance in this white house where they can force people to protect themselves legally to sign this kind of waiver while continuing to insist that they will have these rallies and to go about their business as if things are normal is remarkable. when i heard this, i really did

think that it was a joke or it was some kind of, some kind of tactic on their part to deflect, and to make some of the people who are scared of coronavirus. but no. they are legitimately worried they want people to sign this waiver because they know they are putting themselves in danger to go to a presidential rally and he's going for it anyway. >> michael steele, she's right. the cognitive dissonance is the thing that trips me up, too. it is in trump's interests for cases to go down. it is in trump's interests if he wants to win re-election for cases among his voters to go down or stay down. the idea that he's willing to endanger anyone who comes to his rallies, that he doesn't want to look out and see any masks, is so subhuman. you have the republican governor, north or south dakota saying that you don't know why people are wearing a mask.

maybe they have a child with cancer. maybe they have a parent with asthma. the wish to have people not wear a mask because of appearances is so insensitive and so reckless. >> it would be in trump's interests to have the case numbers go down. it would be in his interests to have fewer deaths. but it is more in trump's interests to get his joy on, to get his excitement on, to get the adrenaline rush that he gets from the crowd screaming his name and applauding everything he says. he's not had that for a long time now. so that's in his greater interests. it is also in his greater interests to get the turn-around on the economy. so it gives him the platform to stoke that particular ember a little more as well. which he can more effectively do with crowds roaring approval of what he's saying.

so this is not about the concern of the health of individuals who are there. this is about getting in the room, scream and shout and hoop and holler. i'll feel good. you may or may not feel better afterwards, but at least the short term goal is achieved. keep in mind, i found it slightly eye ronnic that this is the same man who told his supporters and his rallygoers a if you years ago, that if you get in trouble, you go after someone, if someone makes a noise and you don't like it, punch them and hit them back. call me. i'll back you up. i'll cover your legal expenses. now he's telling people, no, no, no. you all need to chill that. we're not going to now. this is a different situation. people, stay home. watch it on tv. it age worth it. >> it's a fascinating dynamic. michael steele, also for you, he's moved his convention events

to jacksonville. after casting about for a city that would disregard current health guidance and permit thousands of people from all over the country to gather in one place, it makes you cringe just reading it that way, gop officials considered dallas, savannah, nashville and phoenix but were drawn to jacksonville largely because the city's political leadership aligns with trump. i understand the conventions but why not one that does both in why not one that at least tries, aspires to keep people safe in the process? >> because again, that's not the point. this is not about the social welfare, this is about the well-being of one individual. so the rnc and others around him have to capitulate. if he wants to hold a rally, and the only reason he's not holding a rally of 50,000 people is because the city of charlotte says we won't promise you can do

that. so he's gone to a more friendly venue where the political leadership will align itself with him without question and push all the people into the space and they'll have a two or three-day event and the consequences that flow from that, we'll worry about that. they don't worry about it. there will be consequences though. they still believe that we passed that particular hurdle even though the numbers don't suggest that and the numbers around the country don't suggest that. again, this is with the gratification and fulfilling the desires of one person, and everything else be damned. and i don't think we need to get it more complicated than that. >> i have been warned to overthink trump is something to undertake, to take on at my own peril. i take michael steele's point. it seems to leave joe biden in

the position where he is the seatbelt wearing mini vandal driver to donald trump's maserati without brakes. the recklessness, the disregard for the safety of anybody in that car with him seems to give joe biden not just the challenge about it that looks really different but the opportunity to look like he's protecting the people that support him. >> yeah. rallies are trump's things. a 50,000 person rally, that's trump at his zeenith. you remember in 2016, he came out to the smoke machine and said i alone can fix it when did he his convention in cleveland four years ago. i think he's desperate for that kind of moment again. rallies, big speeches are not joe biden's thing. that's not where he excels. he excels in a quiet moment. he excels one-on-one. the kind of, the event did he

yesterday about how we can open up the economy safely while dealing with, while still fighting covid-19. these are good moments for biden. so they can build a convention that some parts, what happened in milwaukee, which will be online, and have the support of a lot of people, a lot of good artists that will want to be part of it, and i think they'll put on a good show that is for biden. there's nothing like a rally to fulfill donald trump's big needs. particularly when he is doing badly in the polls. we saw this during impeachment. we see it other times during the presidency. when things are going well for him, the economy isn't doing well either. he wants some sort of outlet and that's what he chooses to do. >> and he will do so with his rallygoers in a podcast on abc news, since we've been on the

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i think i've done more for the black community than any other president, and let's take a pass on abraham lincoln, because he did good, although it is always questionable. in other words -- >> well, we are free, mr. president. he did pretty well. >> so i'm going to take a pass on honest abe. >> joining our conversation, in the nick of time. al sharpton, president of the action network host on msnbc. there's so much ground to cover with you. but first, can you make any sense of what donald trump just

said? >> that is a tall order for anyone to try to make sense out of it. when you have a president of the united states sitting there, where you have black unemployment today as high as it's ever been since the recession when barack obama came in, and he used to brag, he being trump, about black unemployment, well, look at the numbers today. when you look at the fact that we have all over this country, people protesting, marching, about the criminal justice system on fairness and specifically, police conduct which he has not addressed at all. for him to even have the unmitigated gall to say that he's done as much for blacks as any president, i mean, so all that obama did in terms of dealing with the affordable care act, all the way to lbj and

civil rights voting rights act, all of that pales in comparison to trump? he's ignoring the clear question of how we deal with policing in this country, that clearly has a race problem that he is not directly addressed at all. >> rev, you are at the center of every place of action in this national conversation. and i haven't spoken to you since your address in houston. the reforms that new york state called into law, you called it new york state's package of reforms, a model for the other 49 states. i know how you work out and how you eat. how are you pushing through and trying to grab everything that

the possible to achieve now that the whole country is focused on issues you've been working on for decades? >> i am challenged to try to make sure that all of what we've worked for is achieved. otherwise, what did we do it for? now that you have young and older people, and people of different rallies, now that people have grabbed it. if you don't change the laws, the rules, and see them implemented, then you did it all for nothing and forgive me. all of those unknown people, the lady at the end of the marches for years many no one ever called her name. we did it to achieve something.

when i come home from doing the eulogy in houston for george floyd and then the memorial before that in minneapolis, and see the governor of our state, not only sit with the black speaker of the assembly and the head of the democrats in the state senate, andrea stewart cousins, and see them with speaker carl hastings, pass hard core legislation. then he gives an executive order to every mayor in the state with how to deal with racial profiling, police brutality, and they have to sit with the community. if they don't do it, they will not get state funds. he raised the bar today. and we don't always agree. he raised the bar.

he knows a lot of the police unions will attack left, right and central. this was a moment that we never, ever, ever thought we would see in new york less than a mile around the country. we owe it to the floyds and the others. we shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place if we wobble make something happen. >> do you think when trump plans to go to tulsa and to have his convention events in jacksonville, that they do so knowing the pain that those dates and those places cause? or do they do so oblivious at the outconservative and then they finds out and stick with the plan? or do you think they're just flying blind? >> it would be hard for me to believe that donald trump did not know what tulsa represented. in this election cycle, michael bloomberg went to tulsa. stood there and talked about the tulsa riots in 1921 and how he

wants to rebuild. as much as we all know donald trump watches cable news and knows what's going on in politics, that was a few months ago that michael bloomberg, someone he was very much intimidated by, went to tulsa. he knew exactly what that was. for it to be on june teenth day, if he didn't know, he should not be in the white house. that is the height of incompetence. either he knew and didn't care order doesn't know and he's incompetent. or reasonable combination of both. the fact that it is so painful on the day that we talk about how texas finally honored the emancipation of enslaved people, and in a city that saw hundreds of blacks wiped out on black wall street, that that happened in the middle of our dealing with justice for george floyd,

and he didn't rescind it, shows that he has the contempt for the community that people like me have been saying a long time. anyone could make a mistake if it was a mistake. you would undo it, especially in this climate. he just goes on. because somehow, he thinks this will help to energize his base when it really is detrimental to the spirit of the country that needs to be coming together to find some kind of justice and fairness in this time. >> i'm so glad that we've been having some version of these conversations for the better part of three years. and again, your eulogy this week in houston was as soaring as the one in minneapolis. thank you making some time to talk to us. jeb palmieri, thank you for spending some time with us. after the break, a day in court for michael flynn's legal team that might not have gone the way

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case, refused to allow them to do so. he got a second opinion from another judge who went even further this week suggesting that barr's doj and the move to drop the case amounted to an abuse of power. so nine's legal team and the justice department, article in arm, went in front of a three did panel in an effort to force judge sullivan to drop it. at least two of the judges seemed reluctant. joining to us make sense of it all, neal, explain what happened and what are the possible next steps in this case? >> i do think it was exactly right. it was a bad day for trump's justice department and a very bad day for michael flynn. he was could go something extraordinary. he pled guilty twice for lying about rusch to the fbi. then he sought to withdraw his

plea agreement. so the trial judge said wait a minute. before you do that, i want to ask some questions. the trump justice department want to inquire why the drop existed. he ran to the appeals court and said stop asking questions. that itself is problematic. the trump justice department agreed with flynn on that. they both went into court. today we had the oral argument over whether or not flynn could run to the appeals court to try to stop the judge from asking those questions. and to say for it to go well from the trump administration is an understatement. i think the judges were pro foundly skeptical of this. and even though flynn was celebrating the judges before hand, because it was a fairly conservative panel. even still, i think it faced very hostile questions.

>> so what happens after he needed guilty to the crime of lying to the fbi fails. what if the judge says no. he pleaded guilty. he affirmed his guilty plea in my courtroom you understand oath more than this goes forward. what happens? who's prosecuting the case if the united states department of justice is just dropped it like a hot potato? >> first of all, i think that set of questions is way down the road. right now the judge wants to inquire into the rationales for why william barr dropped the case after this guy plead guilty. months from now we'll get into that question of what the right thing to do is there. at this point there isn't anything left because the prosecution already happened. it's been around since the supreme court wrote them in 1942, said once someone pleads guilty, you can't withdraw the indictment without permission of

court. trump, barr and this michael anyo flynn case. the whole special counsel investigation was launched by this. remember donald trump said to chief comey, you should let him go. he didn't and he was fired. that's what led to investigation. the whole thing has been very suspicion from the start. the judge is just trying to ask some questions. >> well, barr, finally did to let flynn go. barr by a lot of former doj employees, what do you make of barr in this moment? >> so far there's no cause for optimism whether it's his orders on tear gas and what he did at the white house that day and dropping the michael flynn stuff. there's a reason why a thousands

plus prosecutors are doing what they're doing. these are not political people. these are people who just love, as i do, the justice department and are sick and tired of seeing it torn apart. >> it's so amazing to see the way the trump presidency has sort of detonated all of this heat at doj. now seeming to have a similar impact at the pentagon. thank you so much for spending some time with us. always great grateful. e ending our week with a celebration of two lives well lived. week with a celebration of two lives well lived. thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr+/her2- metastatic breast cancer, as the first hormonal based therapy. ibrance plus letrozole significantly delayed disease progression versus letrozole, and shrank tumors in over half of patients.

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welcome to friday. it's "meet the press daily." we're going to begin with a sobering reality about the coronavirus pandemic. even as cases are turning downwards in big cities like new york, they're going the opposite direction in much of the rest of the country. the number of deaths nationwide topped 114,000. the number of reported c eed ca well over two million.

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