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first up on msnbc, a movement gains momentum. big changes announced for the city with the largest police force in the country. will others follow? >> boots on the ground. we're here. >> we ain't going back. the president and his decision to delay a rally and weighing in on what he has done for black voters. >> i think i've done more than any other president for the black community. let's take a pass on abraham lincoln. >> we are free, mr. president. he did pretty well. monuments no more. removing confederate statues. a spike in covid-19 cases. what this could mean as americans want to move on. good morning. it is saturday, june 13th.
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i'm alex witt. let's get to the breaking news from the white house. president announcing he is rescheduling the tulsa campaign rally set for june 19th. juneteenth. monica alba is joining me with the latest on that. monica, this original date, as you know was met with widespread criticism. is that why the president changed it? >> reporter: that is the indication, alex. it is a rare reversal from the president and white house. what you don't normally see it back down with controversy emerging. the president tweeting out of respect for the holiday and after consulting his african-american supporters and advisers, they decided to move the rally back to now a week from today. instead of june 19th, on juneteenth, it is on the 20th of june. this is significant because there was fierce backlash and credit he siciticism as he was o
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be insensitive to plan the first rally since the coronavirus pandemic happened in tulsa, oklahoma. also of all places with a dark history in terms of the tulsa massacre. the president seemingly not acknowledging when he announced the rally. he did not seem to have the historical significance on the front end of this. it was later when he was met with backlash that he decided to change his mind. fox news asked him about the situation and the uniqueness of the date and location in the interview that erraired yesterd. take a look. >> your rally in oklahoma is set for june 19th. is that on purpose? >> no, but i know what you are going to say. >> i'm asking. i've not got anything to say. >> my rally is a celebration. in the history of politics, i think i can say, there's never been any group or any person
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that had rallies like that. i go and give the big stadium and fill it up every time. >> reporter: after that immense pressure, the campaign and president backed down overnight. whether that will happen with the republican convention which is held in jacksonville which coincides with an important date of another race riot there. that remains to be seen. there are so many questions, alex, about how the president will have his traditional campaign rallies bringing together thousands of people in the age of the ongoing health crisis. the campaign received as many as 200,000 to 300,000 requests for free tickets to the event. capacity in the arena is 19,000 people. they have not said if it will conduct social distancing or if temperatures will be taken. that is unclear. because of the demand, the campaign saying overnight they are considering adding a second
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event. that will take place a week from today, alex. the president isn't here at the white house this weekend. he is at his bedminster golf resort in jersey and heads to west point later today. alex. >> that anniversary you mentioned, monica, a deplorable day. axe handle saturday. named because of the type of weapons used on protesters. tragic. thank you for that. joining me now is the president-elect of people for american way and the naacp. ben, good morning. let's get to this original plan. it was for the president to restart his campaign. massive kickoff with the rally on juneteenth in tulsa, oklahoma. the scene of one of the worst race massacres in the country's history. now he is changing it out of quote respect. what is your reaction to all this? >> this president's instinct is to double down on racism. you see it with jacksonville.
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you saw it with tulsa. he listens to people like stephen miller. with that said, somebody in that white house is explaining to him he will keep losing swing voters if he does just that. hope for his sake it is pushing him toward a change of mindset, but again, when you have a man who since 2002 when the central park five were completely ruled to be innocent in part because of dna and yet still says they are guilty. the chances that he will go back to try to double down on racism as the path to win is pretty high. >> i -- i stand dumbfounded chris alvarhalf the time when i see things like this. how does this happen in the first place, ben? really? can't somebody within the white house look at the dates and say
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stay away from that. do you think it really is intentional? >> with him, it is intentional, i think. look, his father was so notorious for housing discrimination. woody guthrie wrote a song about it. all of the slum lords that woody guthrie wrote a song about. old man trump stuck out. this guy is deep in his being. part of his bragadocia. the kkk uses his last name in the recruiting phone number. he is not faiz fazed by it. he has a job to do to pull us together. there are swing voters who will not tolerate him in the final stretch of his re-election being
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so overtly racist as to say we're going to rally on the 99th anniversary of tulsa. early june. june of 1921. on juneteenth. it is insane. you just saw him trying to say that abraham lincoln was a mixed bag. the 19th century wasn't a great century for a lot of people. we're pretty clear why president lincoln is so popular. he ended slavery. for him to try to say let's revisit the historical perception of the man who ended slavery as he is planning a rally on juneteenth in tulsa and he is planning to move his convention to jacksonville on the week of the 60th anniversary of protesters beaten with axe
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handles. swing voters are smarter than that, mr. president. >> stay where you are, my friend. we will have a couple of reports and come back with you. let's go to the ongoing protests weeks after the killing of george floyd. they are ramping up with demands of racial equality. from san francisco to miami, demonstrators clogged bridges and shutdown traffic on major roadways. protests have been peaceful, but not without tension in spots. here is a look at video from kgw in portland, oregon. a protester outside the justice center last night breaching a chain link fence there. wow. and then let's check out what happened when the police moved in. the protester apprehended. let's go to high tensions in stockton, california.
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>> telling us we have five minutes to disburse before it gets real. we have a right to protest. it is our constitutional right. for police to tell us? >> kcra reported police officers in riot gear showed up ordering the crowd to disburse. seven people arrested including a 13-year-old boy. moving to florida. a s.w.a.t. team resigned from the unit after the police chief took a knee in solidarity with the protesters. they did not resign from the police department. in michigan, protesters paid tribute to breonna taylor. the louisville city council voted to ban no-knock warrants. no charges have been filed in taylor's killing. the head of the local police union and county prosecutor demanded to resign over the
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previous police involved killings. and in seattle. the long haul in the capitol hill section of the city. known as chaz. capitol hill autonomous zone. demonstrators have turned the area into a police-free zone. wxmv showing us pictures of the plaza renamed for ida b. wells. >> we are prepared to fight for our generation. we have to live through them. nashville continues to just give small fixes and band aids to deep wounds. >> let's go now to richmond, virginia where thousands are expected to participate in the march against racism. amanda golden is there. good morning to you. this is going to kickoff at the
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robert e. lee statue. the governor announcing it will be removed. >> reporter: it will be removed. the governor announced. earlier this week, a circuit court judge issued a ten-day injunction to halt the authority to do so. that was filed by the family that owned the land which the monument is on. that is not stopping action throughout the state of virginia. just down the block here on monument avenue, the monument of jefferson davis was torn down by protesters. in virginia, a statue of a confederate leader was torn down. that is urging local leaders like the mayor of richmond here and governor northam saying this is a symbol of hate. they will come down. let it be done professionally for the sake of public safety.
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this statue behind me is six stories tall. the robert e. lee statue. you see the graffiti and signs to tear it down and in support of black lives matter. this is the site of the march later today. the march called the 5,000 man march. the organizer told me he is expecting up to 10,000 people to show up here today. this annual event further invigorated by the protests and debates throughout the country. i'll be here to report on this later today, alex. the confederate monument debate is an ongoing conversation. it is interesting to see where the public opinion shifted. the polling shifting from 2017. 44% of people believe the monuments should remaining standing. that is a 6 point drop. additionally, 32% of people polled believe the statues
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should come down. a 6 point increase from where it was. contrast with republicans and democrats on the fate of the monuments and if they should come down. republicans overwhelmingly believe they should remain up. democrats believe they should come down. alex, you see from behind me, the continued amount of graffiti. we have seen people come out to contribute to that. as more folks continue to gather throughout the day, it will be a focal point here for the people marching giving the debate. >> a lot of people watching. amanda golden, thank you. let's go there to new jersey where protests are expected after this video surfaced this week. it is showing white men mocking george floyd's death. cori coffin is on the ground in new jersey. jarring video, cori. what is the reaction like to it? >> reporter: alex, reaction is
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swift. the town immediately came out to denounce that video. saying that is not the community we are. two men in the video under investigation. one of the men, the main man kneeling on another person's neck and appeared to mock george floyd's death. he has been fired from his job at fedex. another man participating on the side where you see the gear has been identified as a corrections officer. he has been suspended. there is a march planned here in response to the video starting at 11:00. it is expected to draw quite a crowd. chuck todd spoke with two of the march organizeorganizers. >> it started out because i did this all my life. i went to a protest and saw the need to bring awareness not just to civil rights, but to human life and how can we get beyond what has happened in the world?
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it's hurtful. it has cut me to my core. i can't do anything but cry when i see what those guys did. most definitely is a hate crime. we're going to make sure if we have to walk to these places to change laws to make sure it is a hate crime. >> reporter: alex, the video drawing reaction not only here, but nationally. people said they will drive in for the march today. we spoken with the sheriff's office here who are currently doing bomb sweeps and checking the area to make sure to keep everything safe. >> okay. they should be doing that. can i ask you quickly about governor cuomo who signed the police reform package into law. what more do we know about that, cori? >> reporter: this is part of the series of reforms he promised putting in place to fast track all of this through the state legislature. one of the items the repeal on
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50-a and other things since banning chokeholds. he is requiring local police departments to do full and total reforms and modernize in each community. that includes the use of police force. do this or risk losing funding. this as new york is taking the step forward to move $1 billion away from nypd. minneapolis doing the same. taking steps forward to disband police department in favor of a public safety force. al alex. >> cori coffin in new jersey. thank you. ben jealous is back here with me right now. let's go to the deplorable video that cori was showing in the report. one of the men seen morning george floyd's death in new jersey. he was a corrections officer. what does this particular incident tell you, ben, about the culture of not just law enforcement, but the u.s. prison
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system? >> we, for too long, have recruited people whose mindset is one of authoritarianism. they begun to implement tests and find people with a heart for servi service. sometimes 70% of the people who pass that test fail the personality test because law enforcement can attract people who are not there for the right reason. you know when you have a good officer. i have cousins this morning picked up a badge and gun and went to work. my grandfather is a juvenile probation officer. my cousin is on the baltimore police department. you have a heart for service and it can be transformatively good. unfortunately for too long, we
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made it impossible to get rid of the bad ones. if a doctor did to a patient what that officer did to george floyd would have lost their job for good. the possibility he could end up on law enforcement somewhere else is pretty high. we have to change the way we recruit and terminate and have a national data base for bad officers and make sure they can lose their license to be dessert ti deh de-certified. >> will that translate into real tangible change? >> we have to remember that these monuments generally in our country were put up as part of the movement by descentends.
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they were part of the lost cause. changing the way students were taught about the civil war. movies like "birth of a nation" highly racist. all of those we don't tolerate. we create a mythology that the statues are about heritage. they were not. they were a propaganda campaign waged by the side that lost the war trying to redefine what it was about. here in my state of maryland, 80% of us fought for the confederacy -- excuse me. 80% of us fought for the union. 80% of the statues were for the confederacy. the movement that caught for the statue of the chief justice who said black people had no rights
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and white people were bound to respect still stood on charles which is main street in baltimore. both were torn down early in that campaign because the governor realized that public sentiment was turning against them. he may not be able to get back into win the campaign which he did if he kept trying to defend con ffederate statues. people are turning against the statues and realizing they are not about heritage, but a failed propaganda campaign. >> ben jealous, thank you. good to see you. see you again. in the battle against coronavirus, more than a dozen states are seeing a spike in the number of new cases while the cdc is issuing new guidelines. u. in only 8 weeks with mavyret... ...i was cured. i faced reminders of my hep c every day. i worried about my hep c.
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new phases of reopening. half of the country is experiencing a spike in cases. joining me now iss erin mclaughlin. this is disturbing. >> reporter: alex, a rising concern over the covid-19 cases. it doesn't mean the states need to shutdown again, but it does mean they are doing something wrong. this morning, alarming spikes of covid-19 cases. >> we are seeing right now is something that is disturbing. >> reporter: 14 states with an up tick of 25% all within the last week. this as states continue to ease restrictions. including california. on friday, gyms, museums and hotels allowed to open. although cases climbed 5%. there's growing concern in the southern part of the state. early friday, a covid-19 outbreak forced evacuations at a nursing home.
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meanwhile, other areas of the country slowing things down. this week, nashville paused the plans to reopen further. utah and oregon taking similar steps. >> this is essentially a statewide yellow light. >> reporter: this as the economic adviser insists. >> there is no second wave. we will not shutdown the economy. >> reporter: larry kudlow pointing to across the country. 1% in the last 24 hours. >> if we have a stable number of cases or going up by 1%. that still means tens of thousands of cases a day. we know that translates into an unacceptably high death rate. >> reporter: also friday, guidance from the cdc on how to stay safe. summer gatherings outdoors. if you are eating out, call ahead to make sure social distancing is in place and staff
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wearing masks. public health officials are under fire for shutdown orders. the associated press finds across 13 states, 27 state and local health leaders resigned or retired or fired since some have received death tlet threats. >> they don't have you wiulteri moti motives. >> reporter: the cdc reiterating advice to avoid crowds. social distancing and to wear masks. in fact, research out of the university of cambridge suggests mask wearing can significantly reduce transmission rates. alex. >> it certainly makes sense and has done that so far. thank you, erin. the president versus the protesters. what is next for the seattle e autonomous zone? the threat to sent troops into that city. sent troops into that city.
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activists are defying the president by taking and holding the section of the city. it is now an autonomous zone where police are not allowed. the president is threatening military action, but the city's mayor is backing the protesters. let's go to vaughn hilliard in the area known as chaz. what's going on, vaughn? >> reporter: alex, after several days of protests and clashes with the demonstrators, the police backed off. since the streets remained largely peaceful. the economy question is what ha next? protesters in seattle are holding several city blocks after the police vacated the area earlier in the week. called chaz. the capitol hill autonomous zone. >> it is a different way of thinking. >> reporter: protesters turning the neighborhood in a community space. a block party atmosphere. music and hot dog stand.
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gardening. rather than a corridor for violence and mayhem. >> this is not just take and have fun with graffiti. turn it into a community center. get a black bank here. fresh grocery store. >> reporter: the police abandoning one of the stations in an effort to deescalate tensions after more than a week of violent clashes. now donald trump inserting himself. tweeting the terrorists burn and pi pillage our cities. threatening to use the insurrection act to send troops into the city. >> we will not let this happen in seattle. if we have to go in, we will go in. >> reporter: the last time the act was used? 1992. during the rodney king riots. at the time, the california governor requested the help. today, state and local officials unequivocal in the use of force. mayor durkan talking about the
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rights to demonstrate. >> the threat to invade seattle is not only unwelcome, it would be illegal. >> reporter: the city now trying to find its own way forward. police chief vowing her department will return. >> i look at you and see my family member in your face. it is time for us to have dialogue and have change. i'm all for it. >> reporter: alex, in the early morning hours here on the west coast, the con varkoconversatio what is next and what do the conversations with the city of seattle look like going forward? >> that police precinct abandoned. that is within the four blocks there of the autonomous zone? >> reporter: correct. that precinct is within the six blocks here. the police chief made clear she intends to move her department back in. as you have seen, things have
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held and remain peaceful on the ground. the police chief says response times have been tripled as a result suggesting the city wants to make moves back in, but intent on having a civil and dialogue conversations. >> okay. vaughn hillyard in seattle. thank you for that. the president is set for the commencement address with the west point graduates. courtney kube, this is not going to look like past graduations? >> reporter: you got that right, alex. we are a couple of hours from president trump delivering the commencement address at west point. this is the first time delivering the address at the ceremony as president. this year's ceremony will look a lot different from previous years. the president being here is not
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the only thing unlike year in the past. this was last year's graduation. graduation this year admist a pandemic. >> social distancing with masks on. >> reporter: the ceremony usually held at the stadium. today, on a field called the plane. family and friends not allowed to attend. instead, they watch the event online. despite the precautions, the graduation still defies new york governor andrew cuomo's coronavirus guidelines which prohib prohibit ceremonies until late june and no more than 150 socially distanced graduates. every graduate was tested for coronavirus when they returned to campus in late may. they were separated into groups. living, working and eating together for two weeks sony
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outbreou so any outbreak would be contained. all are cleared to graduate today. we enter the army during a tumultuous time. the nation's top general apologized for being part of the political photo op when president trump held up a bible at st. john's church last week. >> it was a mistake that i learned from. >> reporter: the photo op sparking this response from some former graduates. we are concerned that fellow graduates serving in senior level public positions are failing to uphold the oath of office and commitment to duty, honor and country. the graduates we spoke with are excited. >> it is important for us to have that and to remember everything about what we went through as a class and move forward and serve in the army. >> reporter: the newest members of the long gray line.
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alex, another thing that is different about the ceremony this year is the graduates won't go up on stage to receive diplomas and shake hands with the dignitariedignitaries. they approach the stage, salute and return to their seats. one thing is we will see at the end of the ceremony they will all throw their hats in the air. >> thank you so much. courtney kube. now the president changed his mind of holding the rally on juneteenth, what is the chances he will change the military bases? will change the military bases? new perspective. maybe we'll see things we've been missing. maybe it'll help us see just how connected we all are. and maybe... just maybe, if we look at the big picture... it'll remind us just how amazing freedom really is.
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new this morning, the president has resecheduled the rally in tulsa, oklahoma on june 19th. known as juneteenth. the president tweeting overnight many of my african-american friends and supporters reached out to suggest we consider changing the date out of respect for the holiday and observance of the occasion and all it represents. decision is an about face over comments he made about defending the rally. joining me now is susan del persio and michael starr. michael worked on the presidential campaigns of barack obama and hillary clinton and john delaney. susan, what do you make of the change? are we seeing the sensitive or
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did he cave? >> sensitive in president trump? no. the man has no empathy. this is a fact that public opinion has grown to the point where he had to change the date. he had to cave. it was too bad of an optic. let's not forget this is the first rally he is having out of the gate. the campaign rally. he just couldn't afford the optics. i can't imagine what the protesting and everything else. it will still be there. to do it on that date, he had to give concession. >> the rnc has announced it is moving the convention to jacksonville, florida. the president will address the supporters on the 60th anniversary of axe handle saturday. the name itself is scary. when a white mob organized by the kkk attacked mostly black civil rights protesters after black students asked to be served at white lunch counters.
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what do you make of that, michael? do you think the president is showing sensitive here with this possible potential change of date or location? might that happen? >> let's say this isn't a dog whistle. it's a bull horn to choose juneteenth to give your first speech back since coronavirus and choose the date in jacksonville when african-americans were murdered by the kkk. it is not a coincidence. this is the president. it is who he is. >> michael, how in the world does this happen? my team and i talked about it? you worked on presidential campaigns. don't you guys look at calendars and locations and figure things out? know what history is there? how does this get scheduled in the first place and why? >> the advanced team absolutely looks into dates and locations and history of the place they are going. if they don't, they would be fired and never rehired.
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the idea this accidentally happened once or accidentally happened twice is ridiculous. this was intentional. they wanted to send a message. >> to who? the base as if they are appreciating it? >> to the base of the party he will fight back against black lives matter. sending a message to the african-american community. the president has used race to d d divide the country and build himself up. this is fuelling more division and anger and hurt on the part of the african-american community. >> another angle, susan, the president ruling out renames the military bases named after confederate generals. an idea considered by the pentagon. the president tweeting it won't be considered. is this a play to his base? if so, susan, doesn't this just further inflame the culture war?
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>> the president loves chaos. it is his favorite tool. he used it to get elected and he is using it to get reelected. in this case, he is saying it will never happen again to michael's point. it is playing to his base because he believes that is what his base wants to see. i think we are seeing people in the republican party, republicans specifically, saying this may be a pretty good idea to change the names. of course it is a good idea to change the names. people should not feel offended and malice put upon them. of course they should change the names. the party is there. donald trump is decades behind where the republican party is. i don't know why my party has stood behind him in so many cases. this one, i think, he's going to lose. >> to susan's point, michael. details, the senate arms services committee.
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they voted the pentagon required to rename the bases. bipartisan push in the house. why are we where we are? >> we are here because donald trump continues to use things like confederate monuments as wedge issues. he knows there is a certain part of the republican party that is affixed to the monuments that pay tribute to traitors. it is why i called for the removal of edmund pettus bridge in selma. we should name that after john lewis. someone who dedicated his life to civil rights. someone who almost lost their life on the very bridge. this idea to keep confederate monuments around to remember them? let me tell you, as an african-american man, we will never forget their names. >> i sure hope that legislation passes to get that renamed. thank you so both of you. michael and susan. the parkland school shooting
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a survivor of the parkland, florida school shooting who testified in congress on gun control and got a standing ovation after her testimony has now found herself on the front lines of the fight for racial equality and here she is on the tens of t steps of the lincoln memor al. >> it is or duty to fight for our freedom. it is our duty to win. we must love and support each other. we have nothing to lose but our chains. >> and she is joining me.
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a big welcome to you. you have such an impressive resume with everything you've you have done at your very young age. but number one, what is the first thing that you are focused on at this stage of the protests? >> right now a huge focus is making sure that the conversation is as intersectional as possible. yesterday we blocompleted at th wilson building and we wanted to commemorate the pulse night club shooting and that that is also relevant in this conversation. black lives won't matter unless all black lives matter and that includes the year communix quee well. >> and what is your assessment of the effect that these protests are having based on who you see coming out there and what you are hearing from those folks who show up? >> i think that we see a lot of frustration, we see a lot of anger in these completes. but we see energy and unity.
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i think everybody is tired of racial injustice that we're coming together and having these protests. but we're also addressing what question need to do to take back home to our communities, whether that is voting or attending our council meetings or just continuing the conversations behind closed doors. >> and i'll play something you said just a few days ago. >> i'm tired of going to the capitol begging for them to care about black lives. we built in country. i am tired! >> you are tired and yet you've been an activist for two years. you are a college sophomore at trinity washington now. i mean, it is awful that you are exhausted at this stage in your life. i said you're young, you've accomplished so much. but where there things that you have seen in two years that you
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see improvement or that still leave you frustrated? >> so i just completed an sxw n internship on the hill and i think working there, i've seen a lot of things that could possibly change a lot of issues in particular to gun violence, but we clearly see not enough. for example, we've seen hr-8 pass on the house floor, but it is still sitting on mitch mcconnell's desk. so we've seen change get started but not finished. and it is very frustrated because we talk about these issues every day. and it seems like those that we gave a seat to and those that we put in office just don't care. >> we have to remember that you were born as an activist from the events at park land, and i'm right there with you, frustration on hack of movement on gun control is remarkable, shocking and frustrating. keep up the good work. and i'll be back at noon east n
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