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good day. i'm alicia men ends. today the president saluted cadets at west point giving his first commencement at the esteem's military academy as tensions heighten between he and the top military leaders. reaction from senator tammy duckworth. meanwhile an overnight about-face on the president's twitter feed announcing out of respect he will not hold a juneteenth rally in tulsa. still unanswered, why it was planned in the first place, on the same day marking our nation's most horrific racial massacres in the city where it
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happened. we are in richmond, virginia, where the clock is ticking on robert echlt lee's statue. americans continue marching across america. it is a sign momentum remains. where does the global movement go next. hovering over it all. coronavirus. cases are spiking buy the tens of thousands. what is the rapid rise telling us? we begin at west point military academy. the united states promere military institution where president trump arrived this morning and gave the commence men speech for the 2020 graduating class in a socially distanced outdoor ceremony. >> for four long years you have honed your skills, trained your mind and body, overcome over obstacle and earned your place of pride in the long gray line. >> i would like to welcome senator tammy duckworth of illinois. she earned a purple heart in the iraq war while serving in the
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u.s. army. she is also a member of the armed services committee and a is your about for joe biden's presidential campaign. i want to get your reaction to the president's message today to graduates. >> i think he missed the opportunity to help heal our nation's wounds and bind us back together by addressing the issue of racial discrimination and injustice in the country. he didn't mention it. in fact he spent a lot of times talking about sports scores and how well the various west point sports teams have done. i think at this time when he was addressing the most racially diverse graduating class, i think one of the most raeshlly diverse graduating class in west point history he missed a point as he sends these leaders out into our military, into the army to really talk to them about the systemic racism that exists in our nation. >> senator, you proposed an amendment this week that would stop allowing presidents and
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vice presidents who haven't served in the military from being waerld in arlington cemetery. it was blocked. >> you have it a little bit wrong. the arlington advisory board met this past year to advise they are going to have to restrict the people who can be buried there to combat men and women at this point. the board says we are running out of room so we are just going to prestrict it to combat service only. and then without consultation with the article tlington advis board the trump administration slipped in a new rule to expand burial to presidents and vice presidents. this has never been done. for well over 100 years you have
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to be a service member in order to be buried there or the spouse of them. the trump administration tried to in the dark of night allow presidents and vice presidents who never served to be buried there. all i said is no, you have to serve, and serve in combat in order to be laid to rest on the hallowed grounds of arlington. >> there has been a lot of discourse about confederate statues. as a military veteran, what about confederate races? what message does it send to those in uniform when there are names of confederate generals on some of these bases? >> i served at one in fort rutger, alabama named for a confederate colonel. i have we have better choices. let's name them after our medal of honor recipients from the
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african-american forces, the tuskegee airmen, let's he show diversity. this isn't 100 years ago, not after world war ii. we have the tune to lift up the diversity that makes our military strong. remember that our military could not go to war at this point without its women, without its members of different races. we are stronger together. and i think this is an opportunity to do something positive, that is to really single out and recognize our troops of color who have served with great honor. >> mitch mcconnell has tasked south carolina senator tim scott with working on a set of police reform proposals. democrats also issued legislation on reforms. what do you need to see in any of these bills to garner your support? >> i need to see some real systemic changes. we have bills introduced time and again. mcconnell has blocked them. my bill is one of them.
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i introduced it twice now. first time five years ago in the house. i did it again when i was first elected to the senate and again this past year. my bill would increase funding for police training on systemic racism in our judicial system and choir police forces to agree to have independent investigations of police involved killings and shooting. i brought it to the floor for nanoconsent just two weeks ago and mitch mcconnell blocked it. sent lamar alexander there to oppose my bill. if they wanted to do this they could have done any of these. my goodness they went out of their way to oppose senator harris's and senator booker's bill against lichlging. they opposed against lynching. i will wait to see what senator scott's bill does. i suspect it is going to be window dressing when what we need right now is systemic change. >> senator, i have to ask you, "new york times" reporting that the biden team has interviewed you as a possible vp candidate, asked you for documents.
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would you be interested in serving as vice president? >> well, i think the biden campaign have their own process. here's what i do know. i know that vice president biden will choose the right person to serve with him to help our nation move forward to do all the things that president trump not only is not able to do, has failed to do repeatedly. address racism in our criminal justice system. he's going the find someone who is going the work with him on how to lead us out of the economic disaster we are in, how to fight back against covid-19 and how to be in our place as the leader of the free world. right now we don't have a president in the white house that's capable of doing it. i will let the vice president's team go through their process. my focus is to get joe biden elected to the white house because our country needs someone who is going the unite the country. bring us back together. bind our wound and move us forward into a brighter future, something we don't have right
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now with donald trump. >> senator tammy duckworth, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> in richmond, virginia, the 5,000-man march is under way. it is the 19th day of nationwide protests against systemic racism in the wake of george floyd's death in police custody. msnbc's amanda golden is in richmond. amanda, what are protesters telling you about why they are marching today? >> reporter: as you can see behind me, the march that kicked off about an hour ago, the 5,000 man march here in richmond has made its way back to in front of the robert e. lee statue here. that's where they kicked things off. the protesters those that are marching are echoing the calls of black lives matter with the continued demonstrations and the discussions we have been seeing the last couple of weeks. i spoke with the organizer of today's demonstration who has been running this the last four years. it is an annual march. but it gained newer significance
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and meaning in the wake of all of this police brutality and continued conversation and spoke with him why they started and ended the march here in front of the robert e. lee monument. here's what he told me. >> the idea that it would be the last gathering here. what it means to us is as we see the statue and we see the great if they and we all the black lives matter support that now sits upon the statue, it is extremely -- i want to say thrilling to see some of the ideas and see. so of the creativity that has been placed upon the statue. >> reporter: the thousands that have come out today -- by my vision it looks like well over 10,000 that came out to march in this protest are looking to stamp out racism, hate, discrimination. they are going the hear from speakers the next couple of hours, including a cousin of
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george floyd coming here to address the crowd. we are also expecting the lieutenant governor of varge, justin fairfax and the mayor of richmond. >> amanda goalen, thank you. in pennsylvania, none straightors are in the streets for a second straight week. two rallies are scheduled today focusing on policing reform. one of them is centered on the growing calls to defund the police. with me now is nbc's moira barrett on the ground. how are officials there reacting to calls to defund the police. >> reporter: we just followed this group of protesters from west philadelphia about 20 blocks east. one of the big chants we heard is that there are no good cops in a racist system. we have seen a lot of police presence escorting the protesters and blocking off the streets. now we are here in malcolm x park. i want to give you a look at the thousands who are here.
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their call like you said is to defund the police. over the past couple of weeks their calls have been heard in this city. the mayor this week saying he is going the repeal the $20 million increase in police budget that was set for next year. this is something that a lot of protesters over the last several weeks were calling out to reporters on ground and in the protests because there were hundreds of millions of dollars allocated that were cut from other city systems. so one thing that protesters toll me here today is that they are looking for keeping the consistency on the focus of change here in philadelphia. when i asked one of the protesters here, a, earlier today why that's so important. she emphasized she wants this to be the last time she is protesting. she doesn't want to do with it her kids. listen to what she told me. >> people are tired of seeing the same thing on television. people getting murdered. people brutalized in front our face.
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we record it every time. we watch it. we get fired up for a couple of days and then it dies out and we wade for a new hashtag. that's why we are still out here protesting, still out here making sure this is it. i don't want to keep doing this. i don't want to keep echoing the words of my ancestors, my mom, my grandma, my great grandma and more. i don't have to continue this for my kids when i have kids. i don't -- it's just time. >> and alicia, one chant we heard a lot here today and the yorch arching message, no justice, no peace, no racist police. speakers emphasizing while work is being done right now there is still more work to do. alicia. >> thank you. in seattle for nearly a week protesters have taken over a now empty police precinct and setting up what they are calling an you a on the nows zone.
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the protest has been peaceful for the most part but president trump called on seattle and washington state leaders to end the you a to be mouse zone. if not, he threatened to straighten things out himself. i would like to bring in nbc's vaughn hillyard who is on the ground in seattle. tell us more about this autonomous zone. what are you seeing? >> reporter: i think it is important to step back for a moment here and give you a sense of what we are talking about. this is about a six-block area in the capitol hill neighborhood of the heart of seattle. you mentioned that police predinkt of that's the building up there on the right. it is not like folks are inside of the building. it has simply been vacated by the police department at this point. the seattle police chief telling alex with it just last hour it is still the police department's intent to have the officers come back here. what you have seen in the meanwhile -- this was on monday when the police left this area after more than a week of protest and clashes between those demonstrators and between
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the police. what has happened since is thousands of folks, every single day, have come through this area. you have kids. you have dogs. you have residents. we are about an hour until lunchtime alicia here, the hot dog stand is set up. you have couches drying out from the morning rain. essentially, this has become a street festival of sorts. but one with a very intentional purpose. through these streets you have seen folks congregate. there are questions about anarchy and vie lesbians. i should say. these have been a peaceful six days around here. james, you were telling me, you are a local. this is your neighborhoods. this is our town. why are you here? why are the people here right now? >> i think the foundation is good americans, good white people, good latinos, we are tired of the corruption systematically implemented out of the white house, the white house has used police to target
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us as terrorists to keep covering up their ability to distribute white supremacy. the reality of it is we are in an economic and emotional down fall. we are here in the streets because this violence that has been perpetrated to us out of the white house through the police has caused a mental illness we are in the street for. and we are fighting for our life. we are fighting for our streets back. the bottom line is until we get to a place that this purpose takes us to the white house and we get solutions that are viable and practical, mainly, reparations -- we need an economic base as our community to give us our mental health back. and we need support and we need love. and all of these people that are out here, they are out here because this is the true america as it was presented to be for all of us to be treated fairly. and until we provide -- until the white house provides that for us, everything else -- everything else doesn't matter. and in closing -- i know i have got to go.
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but unless you -- you cannot address the police brutality, until you address the police corruption, you cannot address the police corruption until you address the corruption in the white house. and it was perpetrated to keep us economically broke. and we need reparations for it. >> james, my friend, this conversation is not ending today. this is a conversation that is going to be taking place over these days. that's a big question mark, where does it go from here, alicia? folks are suggesting the police department be turned into a community center. there are a lot of ideas a lot of desires, a lot of needs here in the streets of seattle. alicia. >> no.'s vaughn hillyard. thank you. doctors kprooz the country are raising alarm about a spike coronavirus cases this week. it raises new concerns over large gatherings. as republicans and democrats try to plan their conventions. according to the covid tracking project, 23,000 new cases were reported on friday. but what does this spike tell
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us? joining me now, the cofounder of the covid tracking project and a staff writer at "the atlantic". you have seen these numbers. i fell like a you confuse weeks ago you and i were talking about the fact that as states reopened we were going to see some spikes this numbers. do you have a sense of where these numbers are coming from? >> we do. it is exactly kind of what people expected that states that reopened earlier and more comprehensively -- [ indiscernible ] georgia is actually a an exception. sa arizona, north carolina, south carolina, arkansas, alabama, you see cases going up. i think a lot of people want to point to the protests as the reason for that. so far, we really haven't seen evidence of that. it has been really places that opened up early. on the other hand, the protests probably will increase transmission. i think as much as we don't want that to be the case, as much as anti-black racism is in fact a public health crisis -- if
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anti-black racism were a molecule we would have banned it long ago. it is too toxic. even though all of that is true you get a bunch of people in crowds together and then you police them in a way that has them pull off their of course ma, cough, and crowd people together, the rates of transmission are going to go up. it's just -- i mean that's the logic of the virus. so far that's been the case in the southern states. and it is going to be the case for protests as well. >> if you were an elected official and you are looking at these numbers do you look at them and think to yourself, it is time to begin rethinking these opening plans? >> gosh, it is interesting to have to make some of these really tough calls because we know that the economic difficulties that come with really shutting down. i think if i were an elected official i would be looking at the long term care facilities and doing absolutely everything i could to test the people who were there every day, if possible. and protect the most vulnerable
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sentence. i think it is going to be very tough for a lot of these states to reclose, particularly right after they have opened. and we are not seeing a ton of support for that from governors particularly across the south. so we are in a harm reduction mode, take care of those who are most lickly to die. that means people in long term care facilities. >> we have heard a lot about what the fall numbers are likely to look like. do you have a sense of what numbers are going to look like this summer? >> you know, it has been pretty consistent for the last month, between 20,000 and 23,000 cases reported every day by states. it has changed. though. the geographic locus has changed from the northeast to the south and southwest. now there is more cases in both the south and in the west than there are in the northeast. really, what you are seeing is kind of just more continuation of this first wave. you know, a lot of places haven't been hit yet. and you know, the initial
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lockdown orders helped prevent that from happening in a lot of cases. but the reopening and the speed of the reopening is bringing the virus spread to a bunch of new communities. >> all right. alexis madurgal thunk. up next, president trump says there is no way he is changing the names of military bases honoring confederate generals. that's one of the controversies he waded into this weekend. plus startling new data on how hard the pandemic hit minority businesses. how many of them will never reopen and what the rest need to survive. survive. er in its most visionary form. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. if you have a garden you know, weeds are low down little scoundrels. draw the line with roundup. the sure shot wand extends with a protective shield to target weeds precisely and kill them right down to the root. roundup brand.
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caving to pressure, the president said overnight he is delaying his next campaign rally. it was scheduled for june 19th in tulsa, oklahoma, which just marked 99 years since the tulsa massacre, the worst race riot in u.s. history. the date known as juneteenth marks when slaves in the south finally learned they were free. trump tweeted many of my african-american friends and supporters reached out to suggest we consider changing the date out of respect for this holiday. the speech is now scheduled for the next day. president trump is also facing criticism for deciding to hold his republican national conessential speech in jacksonville on another historical day in civil rights history. he is set to accept the nomination 60 years after what is known as ax handle saturday
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when a mob organized by the kk attacked civil rights protesters in jacksonville this. all comes as the secretary of defense and secretary of the army said they are open to discussing the topic of renaming army bases that honor confederate leaders. but the president said the administration will not even consider it. joining me now, three panelists. thank you for being here. professor stevenson, i want to start with you. i think there are a lot of folks who look at the naming of these things and say it is about optics. it is about so much more. what is the significance of potentially renaming some of these bases? >> i think it has tremendous -- i think it absolutely has tremendous impact on the way in which we look at the confederacy, we look back at our history, we look backed a what happened with the civil war and its relationship to slavery. and the place that is the location of african-americans in a body of politics and as
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citizens. i grew up in virginia. there are several military bases named after confederate leaders in virginia. my husband was located at fort lee when he was an officer in the army. you would go there and you would see the confederate flag. you would see, you know, all kinds of beyond robert echlt lee being the name of it, beyond that you see all of the paraphernalia associated with the confederacy. lee is from virginia and it is part of our history, but this is the united states. the military bases represent the nation like nothing else, really, in the world. and to many people who live in the united states and who support the military. so this is a very, very interesting problem that we have. >> lisa, you have been with protesters, reporting on the
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protests. when you speak with them, when you speak with the organizers, how are they processing the president's pushback? what does it mean for their strategy as the protests move forward? >> that's right. i have been speaking with protesters. one thing that has become really clear is that as important as symbolic conversations are, especially in the renaming of the bases, they also think that symbolism and incremental reform hasn't been enough. and that's where you have been getting these calls for defending the police, which to most activists means shrinking the role that police departments are playing in society and redirecting those funds toward other community initiatives. so that's one way that i have been thinking about it is that there is more to their cause. they want the current situation addressed. that's why you are hearing a lot about defunding the police. >> also interesting in your
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piece is to read how it is motivating for them, the fact that you have the president coming out in opposition to this. adam, you have republicans on capitol hill who are saying they are open to these name changes. i wonder both what is behind those sentiments and also what you are then hearing from the white house about why they are not on the same page. >> well, i mean, i think republicans are open to renaming these bases because of a popular memory has finally caught up to what historians have known for many years, which is that the confederacy was created to sustain the institution of slavery and that the confederate army killed more americans than any other enemy amy in history for the cause of human bondage. for many years, more than a sentry, we have this sort of rose colored memory of what the confederacy thely was. now that the popular consciousness is catching up to
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what the confederacy actually was was a nation founded in attempted white supremacy for the preservation of human bondage people are changes their minds about what it means to have military bases named for people whose main role in american history was slaughtering other americans by the tens of thousands. >> professor stevenson, trump's original choice of holding a rally on juneteenth in tulsa? our thoughts? >> my thought is that our president knows very little about history. this is not just african-american history. this is american history. we are talking about race riots. and -- was implicated in the murder of african-american citizens, and the dee instruction of american stips's property. and the loss of just your way of
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life. and so this event is not a single event. this is an event that's replicated over and over and over again that begins right after the civil war. so to, you know, to do this kind of thing was absolutely not only a slap in the face of appearance but american history, too. this is not what we want our nation to stand for, a celebration of a slaughter of citizens, just because of the color of their skin. and so this was not a good idea. it was quite insulting not just to americans, but i think to the nation as a whole. >> adam, there is a new story out from the atlantic saying instead of trying to win over voters the trump campaign and the white house are both trying to soothe the president's anxiety over his poll numbers. is there a difference between soothing his anxieties and doing what actually needs to be done to heal this nation? how much of that story is behind the decision to move the date.
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>> look, when you look at the confederate statues issue and the bases named after former confederates, this is not an issue of tremendous economic import or anything like that. et cetera not going to stop the pandemic or bring jobs back. but the president believes that, et cetera important to his base that these statues, these memorials, these base names are important to his base. and he's not really interested in reaching out beyond that base in part because he already did a pretty good job in 2016 regardless of what you think of the external factors, the comey letter, hillary clinton's campaign as a candidate. he believes he can win this way. so he is going to keep doing things the way he did them before because that worked for him. whether it will work this time, that's a completely different question. >> adam, thank you. that is a completely different question, brenda, lisa, and adam, thank you all so much. up next, the city of louisville banned no-knock
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after weeks of protests the louisville met propolice council on thursday unanimously approved a ban on no-knock search warrants. the legislation was named after adriana taylor who was killed in a no-knock police raid in other own home in march. her mother addressed a crowd after the law passed. >> i am grateful. i knew she was destined for greatness. she is showing it. she had an agenda to save lives. this law is going to help her do it. >> meantime, republican senator rand paul of kentucky has introduced the justice for breonna taylor act to the senate, which would ban no-knock warrants nationwide. paul says he took up the cause after speaking with taylor's family. also this week, louisville
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police released the incident report from the night the former emt was fatally shot by police in her home. the document is virtually blank. the police list her injuries as none though she was reportedly shot at least eight times. so far no arrests have been made in her death. with me, a metro government reporter for "the courier/journal". let's start with the incident where the narrative of events that happened that night should be filled in. it just says "piu investigation" what is missing and why? >> everything is missing, three months after police faltsly shot breepa taylor you see in this report straight up lies as far as what occurred that night. they say in the report there are no injuries. breonna taylor was actually shot to death eight times. it says there was no forcible entry when actually police used a battering ram to enter her
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apartment. this is what -- what it has done is open the wound even further. the mayor be that under scrutiny for his response in not firing the officers issued a response to the taylor family. th after this incident report came out, in many ways what the report shows is a further divide and gap between the local community and the local police department and breonna taylor's death is certainly at the center of it. but this report being so blank, and what it did have in there again being lies about what happened that night i think further inflamed tensions here in louisville. >> in addition to the mayor's apology, he also ordered a top to bottom review of the louisville metro department. what are activists saying about whether or not that is sufficient and what they want to see instead. >> look, there is a big gap
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between where the mayor greg fischer, a democrat and activists out on the streets are. they are demanding he take action by firing the three officers involved in the shooting. he says the way the contract and state law are set up i can't do it. there is a legal debate here. while he has asked for a top to bottom review of the police department there are those saying we need to shift resources here in louisville away from the police department which gets 59 or 50% or so of the local budget alone shift it to other places and rethink how we police in the city of louisville similar to minneapolis where you saw george floyd keld bile officers there. -- killed by officers there. there is also calls for the mayor to resign from more left-leaning activists. at the same time, calls by the fop and right ring or conservative elements in the city are calling for him to be
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empeached. he is facing his most daunting political crisis in his three terms as mayor? any updates whether or not the officers involved will be charged. >> right now the investigation is with the attorney general dannial cameron. his office told me a few days ago they are still awaiting some pieces of the investigation from the louisville metro police department's public integrity unit. you know, the three officers who are being investigated. there is question about is that investigation being slow calked particularly since breonna taylor was killed on may 13th. there is a lot of eyes and attention on the attorney, the first african-american ag in the state's history. he says he will be unbiased and author. he was at a white house at the round table discussion with the president. there are many who are wondering if daniel cameron can be unbiased considering when he ran
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back in 2019 three of his pillars when he ran for ag, his relationship to senator majority leader mitch mcconnell being one, his opposition to abortion and certainly his relationship with law enforcement and prosecutors is something he heavily leaned on in that race. as far as the attorney general is concerned he is keeping his focus on a thorough and unbiased investigation. there are questions and concerns about has the investigation been fully given to him in this review? and what will he do with it? sources i speak to say you may only see one officer charged. this is all at this point really speculation. i think we should all wait and see what the attorney general will actually do. but this is his first major test after lawsuits regarding
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force transgender patients too under the affordable care act. here you are in west virginia making history and all of this is happening at the same time that basic protections are being rolled back for your community. >> sure, thank you so much for having me on. it is quite the contrast i will say, you know, in one moment we are making history in such a positive and progressive way. and in the next moment we are shooting ourselves in the foot so to speak. you know, i don't expect anything less from this administration. as transfolks we are made incredibly resilient. we are going to make sure we get through this. >> the human rights campaign said they will file a lawsuit challenges the white house's decision to roll back these critical gender identity protections. why is it crucial that these protections stay in place? >> well, transhealth is public
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health. we want to make sure that transfolks receive the same access to health care across the board that anybody who is disgender would receive. it just makes sense. it is just basic humanity. i wish we could -- that i wish that was baseline in 2020, but it isn't, unfortunately. so it seems we take two steps forward to take, you know, one step back. but we need to really really ensure that we are putting pressure on our elected officials to hold this administration accountable for these actions. >> tell me a little bit about your role on city council. what are you hoping to accomplish? >> i am a newly elected city council member here in wheeling, west virginia. we ran a humble but successful campaign. i am incredibly grateful to get the opportunity to sever my community. a few of the issues that we are focused on tackling include
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homelessness and poverty. i have been a community organizer in the state of west virginia for quite some time working on those issues. i am also a mental health professional here and i understand that so many of the issues that we experience at base are mental health issues. so we need to provide a specific, you know, vision there so that we can provide as many mental health resources here in the city as possible. and of course we have potholes and stray cats and all of the wonderful local politics that you know are a part of running for city council. >> all right, rosemary kevinham thank you. up next, nearly half of all black-owned businesses will never reopen after the pandemic. we will talk about why they were hit so hard. and what can be done to help.
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were lost between february and april compared to 17% of white-owned businesses. with me is connie. connie, transparency here of the utmost importance. why and then what do you do with the information you would gather if this were a transparent process? >> well, thanks for having me. we certainly are advocating for more transparency. and it doesn't necessarily mean releasing names and direct address, but we want enough information and data to hold this government accountable for these government federal funds going to a fair share of businesses of color, businesses owned by women and in rural communities. they can collect that data without showing the individual names of businesses. we must demand greater transparency. >> you have the national bureau
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of economic research report finding that the number of african-american business owners plummeted from 1.1 million in february 2020 to 640,000 in april. what are the risks of losing this many small businesses, not just to those business owners, but to the community at large? >> it is a huge risk that we do not allow these businesses to continue to fail. black-owned businesses are contributing more than 3.5 million jobs to the economy. and also, more than $150 billion to this nation. if they fail, if we allow them to fail, we all fail because we need economic opportunity for all. >> last week you testified in front of the senate small business committee. what changes can be made at the federal level, a the local level to create sustainable support
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for minority-owned businesses? >> our advocacy on behalf, particularly of small businesses and black-owned businesses, is really key. you've already mentioned the payroll protection program famously known as ppp. we made very specific recommendations that can really help support smaller and black-owned businesses. those recommendations include expanding the program to the end of this year, to december 31st. eliminating the first come, first serve rule. we believe that the program should be extended, the period, for the period of forgiveness of these loans pass to be extended. and we need more money in the program, but that money needs to be dedicated specifically to businesses with 10 or fewer employees. it's important to note that on
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average employer firms, black employer firms have upon average nine employees. but the vast majority of black-owned businesses are micro businesses with few or five employees. we need this money to go to businesses specifically so black-owned businesses can have access. >> all right. connie evans, thank you. that wraps it up for this hour. i'm alicia me mendes. i'll see you back here at 4:00 p.m. eastern. we'll dig into this week's election debacle down in georgia as it is a key concern as we barrel election. more msnbc live with joshua johnson after a quick break. e w johnson after a quick break. due to afib... ...not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin, i'm reaching for that. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis is fda-approved and has both.
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♪ hey there, i'm joshua johnson. good to be with you today from nbc news world headquarters in new york. today is day 19 of protests across the country following the killing of george floyd. the protesters are getting practical, refining their demands for the future of law enforcement. one demonstration in atlanta comes after another fatal police shooting. we'll get you the details on that in just a moment. we have been anticipating a reaction to this moment from president trump. and address on race in america, a plan for police reform. it's unclear when those will come. the president gave this morning's commencement address at west point with only a broad allusion to what's going on in the streets. >> what has

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