♪ hey there, i'm joshua johnson. good to be with you today from nbc news world headquarters in new york. today is day 19 of protests across the country following the killing of george floyd. the protesters are getting practical, refining their demands for the future of law enforcement. one demonstration in atlanta comes after another fatal police shooting. we'll get you the details on that in just a moment. we have been anticipating a reaction to this moment from president trump. and address on race in america, a plan for police reform. it's unclear when those will come. the president gave this morning's commencement address at west point with only a broad allusion to what's going on in the streets. >> what has historically made

america unique is the durability of its institutions against the passions and prejudices of the moment. when times are turbulent, when the road is rough, what matters most is that which is permanent, timeless, enduring and eternal. one of the passions of this moment was the passionately angry reaction to mr. trump's planned rally in tulsa. he initially planned to hold it on juneteenth, a holiday marking the end of slavery. that rally will now take place one day later. and the battle over civil war relics continues around the country. today kentucky is removing a statute from the capitol of one of the best known native sons, jefferson davis, the president of the confederacy. plenty to talk about today, but let's begin with that breaking story in atlanta. cell phone video emerged in the deadly shooting of an unarmed

black man in a wendy's drive-through. as we understand it now, officers got a report of a man asleep in his car blocking other drivers. that led them to 27-year-old rayshard brooks. atlanta pd says brooks failed a sobriety test, resisted arrest and tried to grab one officer's taser. that apparently is when he was shot. fair warning. the video you are about to see is rather disturbing. with that said, the video seems to show brooks running away before you hear the shots fired. atlanta city council member joyce shepherd spoke with protesters at the wendy's. >> as a council member, running away from the police officer, he don't have a gun. is there any reason for them to shoot him? no! no! so, my position is that they got

to go. >> fulton county district attorney's office has launched a separate investigation into the shooting. we're expecting a news conference from the georgia bureau of investigation shortly. we'll keep an eye out for that and bring it to you live when it happe happens. many americans are learning the importance of june 19th or juneteenth for the first time, so too is president trump. on june 19th, 1865, slaves in texas learned that the union had won the civil war and that they were free. last night, the president tweeted that many of his african-american friends and supporters had suggested changing the date. it will now take place the following day on june 20th. joining us now is the organizer of a tulsa rally called hate has no home here. welcome. >> hi, how are you? >> i'm well. thank you for making time for us. let's begin with a quick clip of

what president trump told fox news a few hours before he announced that he was moving the date of his rally from juneteenth. listen. >> your rally in oklahoma is set for june 19th. was that on purpose? >> no, but i know exactly what you're going to say. >> well, i'm just asking. i have not got anything to say. >> think about it as a celebration. my rally is a celebration. there's never been any group or any person that's had rallies like i do. i go and i say get me the biggest stadium and we fill it up every time. >> what do you make of that? is moving the date of the rally enough? >> it's not enough, but when me and my husband heard about it yesterday, we got excited because that whole day we spent in the office talking to other leaders in tulsa, trying to decide how we'll keep our peaceful people away from him. and how we would have juneteenth also on greenwood.

>> i'm really glad that you picked the mural you picked to be standing in front of. tulsa once known as black wall street, the greenwood neighborhood. a wildly thriving black district burned to the ground in a murderous siege back in 1921. anyone watched the hbo series, watchman, that's the place the series begins and takes place in a kind of parallel universe, tulsa, oklahoma. now the president has moved the time of the rally. how do you feel about the place of the rally? >> this is one of the biggest auditoriums that people use. we're not excited about that, but we do have the rally against hate going to be at veteran's park from 6 to 8 and show our support and gathering in solidarity with those who have been oppressed and want everybody to come in peaceful. >> you said a number of times you want the rally to be peaceful and safe.

have you taken extra steps to ensure that? or are you confident that things are going to g all right? >> our tulsa police department worked with me with every rally i ever put on, and the may 31st, brought tons of people to black wall street. >> could i ask you, since you've been able to work with police officers, is there one thing you would say to other people who are planning similar rallies who might be concerned about dealing with police? is there a tip that you would offer them about dealing with law enforcement? >> i can't speak on every police department. i know tpd has flaws as well but they have worked really strongly and hard with us at every rally i have worked on since 2017. so i've been doing this for so many years that i have that relationship with them and they have always been very friendly. >> last thing i would ask you that tulsa has seen a dramatic spike in its number of coronavirus cases. the county health department recorded its highest ever increase in cases just

yesterday. the president is making people at the rallies apparently sign a waiver promising that they will not sue if they get sick. it's questionable whether or not that will hold up in court, but setting that aside, how concerned are you if at all about managing health risks at your rally? >> at our rally, of course, in oklahoma it's hot. i tell people to try to wear a mask. we have sanitizer. we have been getting donations for masks as much as possible. other than that, we're just trying our best. >> in tulsa, oklahoma, thanks very much. >> thank you. the legacy of racism in america affects us today in ways we might not always realize. that is why some members of congress are proposing a way to deal with that legacy head on. joining us now is democratic congresswoman barbara lee of california. her district includes oakland and berkley. congresswoman lee, welcome. >> glad to be with you, joshua, thank you. before we talk about your proposal, i would love to get your reaction to the president's

decision to postpone that rally in tulsa by one day. what do you make of that? >> sure. he should have never planned to have it on juneteenth. you know, he shouldn't have it in tulsa, quite frankly. and let me tell you, my grandfather, for example, was born in galveston, texas, in may of 1865. he passed away when i was 18. and then he migrated to el paso, texas, where i was born. and you know, my grandfather was born in slavery one month before general came and read the federal orders that enslaved individuals in texas were free. and so juneteenth has been for many of us our independence day a day we use to really talk about the history of enslaved people in america. and a day to celebrate what we thought was our freedom and move on and have the celebrations to honor that day. so for him to do this was worst

than being told. it was really a manifestation of white supremacy, of white nationalism and of racism. and we have to call it. we have to speak the truth the way we see it at this point in our history. >> president trump says that he's finalizing an executive order on police training. what would you like to see in th that order? is there anything at the top of your list? >> he has to look at the justice and policing act led by the congressional black caucus and democrats in congress because, one, we really make sure that we do not allow for the demilitarization of police forces by getting rid of the weapons of war that are transferred from the department of defense. we put funding on the front end. we don't put another dime into police departments. but rather we put money into housing and health care and mental health services and everything that our communities need. he needs to look at the bill as it relates to qualified

immunity. we need to end that. you know, no one is above the law. and so, there are many provisions in the justice and policing act that he should embrace if, in fact, police reform is really for real on his agenda. >> congresswoman, you have proposed a commission that would address the legacy of slavery. it would be called the truth, racial healing and transformation commission. how would that work? >> sure. thank you very much, josh, for that. this country has never really addressed the legacy of slavery, 40 1 years ago. and how it's manifested today, for instance, in police murders in the disproportionate rates of covid deaths in the african-american community or how it relates to unequal education, is systemic racism we're dealing with today is directly related to the institution of slavery. 40 countries around the world

have instituted truth commissions. we call ours truth, racial healing and transformation not truth and reconciliation because there's really quite frankly nothing to reconcile in america. and so this commission would be set up. we would -- the point is not to do another study or to do -- excuse me, an educational forum, what it is to provide the information and the data and the relationship between the middle passage and through lynching, segregation, all the segregation laws that were passed that we had to fight for in terms of civil rights struggle, voting rights and how it's manifested in today's policies and programs. hopefully by truth telling and we have to tell the truth. if you don't tell the truth, if people are not aware of this historical context of what is taking place today we'll never get to the point where there will be any type of healing or immunity and then

transformation. what i want the commission to do is to propose policies that can be enacted and the local and state and national level that would help with this transformation. these young people are protesting for the birth of a new nation because their movement is really, you know, showing us that they get it. and so we have to have the historical context and the policies to move our country forward. >> congresswoman barbara lee, democratic congresswoman from california from the east bay. congresswoman, thanks for talking to us. >> thank you. my pleasure. nice being with you. there's much more to come today on msnbc. seattle is debating a so-called autonomous zone set up by protesters demanding police reform. that has caused disagreement and threats from the president. what's happening there now? and how long will this zone last? also, microsoft asked an artist to paint a black lives matter mural in front of its store in manhattan. that artist will join us to explain why she told microsoft

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in seattle, people are talking about chaz. it's not a person but a place and the controversial thing. chaz is the capital hill autonomous zone. protesters have common deared a stretch of the neighborhood as a police-free zone. the move drew mixed reactions from seattle's mayor and its police chief. president trump has threatened to send in troops. the major says she does not want that. seattle police chief carmon best has a lot to figure out in keeping the peace there. >> i want the politicians do the politicking. that's not really my arena, but i want us to be safe in the fact that we need police precinct for the officers. ultimately, whatever we do, we want to meet peace with peace and we want things to happen peacefully. >> let's head to the saun and

vaughn hillyard joins us live from seattle. what do the protesters say they want to see done with the zone because there's particularly a police station there that officers basically abandoned to the protesters. >> reporter: when the police pulled back here from this six-block area, behind me is one of the city blocks that is not part of the -- of this area that we're talking about. that's odd fellow's cafe and bar. so life is pretty much like normal outside of this area. but if you swing around, allen will swing around with me here, right here is with the barrier into the six-block area. it's a breast implaplant barrie. anybody can come in here. what we have seen are thousands of folks, activists, demonstrators but also folks within the neighborhood. i want to introduce you actually

right now -- i'm going to listen in real fast to joshua. >> is that understood? raise your hand if you understand me. great. i'm going to be there. josh warks this is the sense of what you're seeing here. it's very much of a conversation that's on going. you see kids. you see dogs. >> yes. >> give me a sense of what you see here? introduce yourself. >> nate, jason, mo. >> kelly, allie. >> you're looking at a place of education, a community, a place now of safety. we take care of ourselves. we have tents right here. we're looking out for each other. this is a place where we can figure out how to be better. educating ourselves on how to correct this system, right? defunding the police. that is one of your main demands. communities like this can exist

when we use that money in the right way. >> seattle residents, if you want to jump in here, what do you want to see happen here to these streets? we're talking about the police officers, blocks. what do you want to see in these blocks but also beyond? >> i want to see the police be held accountable. i want to see them answer a lot of questions that we have that the people that were here for the last two weeks it wasn't this peaceful. and now that there's a lack of police presence, that's saying something that it is so peaceful. so maybe it is best that we defund the police. all i see is people coming together and being that support and source of help for one another without the help of their government. honestly being ignored by them right now. we have our governors and stuff really not answering any of our questions. i have yet to see them. only one council member came and really tried to hijack that movement. but we still persisted. do you want to go ahead and speak? >> i think we have to throw it so joshua. you know, this is a part of the conversation, joshua, that we

heard in the streets. it has been peaceful since monday, after more than a week of clashes between the demonstrators and the police. now you see essentially almost like a street festival-type atmosphere with a very -- >> it is not a street festival. >> with an intentional purpose. >> do not say that. shame on you for saying that. learn right now, it is not a street festival. >> do you know our voices sound like tear gas police attacked us with. you have to understand some traumatizing things happened here. all of us are suffering from ptsd in our own country. in it is not a street party. >> vaughn, it's okay. let her finish. >> one thing to listen to, it's not a street festival. >> vaughn, ask them if -- would you ask them if i could put a question to him since we mischaracterized -- >> reporter: could we put a question to you here. >> please. >> i hear him in terms of saying -- would you let him know we have to move on, let him know, that we hear him 100% when he says this is not a festival

because we saw what happened in seattle. we do have to keep going and i want to just let him know we'll talk about this future of defunding the police but let him know we hear him loud and clear. this is not a festival. this is a social movement but vaughn, thank you for giving him room to speak his mind. that's nbc's vaughn hillyard in seattle. that conversation will continue there and we'll talk more about the future of what these zones are going to look like as our hour goes on. the boarded up store fronts in some places like the autonomous zone and in some cities are not only places where important discussions are happening, like what we just saw in seattle, some of them are also becoming canvass for public art. some artists in san francisco have made murals of a few boards in the castro district. in new york, micro soft plan do the same thing outside its store on fifth avenue. the tech giant and ad agency are taking heat over how they went about proposing that mural. an email from the ad agency to

artist shantell martin. they wanted the mural completed while the protests are still relevant. unquote. martin posted that letter on instagram, calling it, quote, an example of what it's like to be, a, reminded of my blackness and b, how black pain and oppression is kmodfied with performtive alliship. unquote. shantell martin joins us to discuss it. welcome to the program, shantell. >> cool. thank you for having me. >> when you saw the email, what was your first reaction? >> my first reaction is that i've seen this email many, many times. it's usually disguised in much more clever way, but this time it was a little bit more transparent in what the ask was. it was asking myself and other artists to paint something while our lives were still relevant. and you know, there's so many levels of why and how that was wrong, but it just showed me how agencies and institutions and brands consistently and continuously exploit artists and people of color and minorities

over and over and over again. >> have you gotten any response from microsoft or from the ad agency? >> i've heard apologies from both parties. but as we know, words are -- words don't help us. we need actions not apologies. what i heard from them is, can you educate us? can you let us know where they went wrong. and it's really not our position to be giving people feedback and education. you know, it's on these companies that have multimillions of dollars to say, hey, we did something wrong and this is what we're going to try and do right. this should be seen as an opportunity to take action. and we understand that not everyone will get it right the first time. but it's important to be trying and trying and trying and have that good intention behind your actions. you know, everyone right now is scared to have this conversation about race. and unfortunately we've been having that conversation about race forever. anyone of color, we trained that

muscle. we have been doing it every single day. so for these brands and agencies now, it's uncomfortable for them to have that conversation of race. >> shantell i wanted to ask you about that. it seems like microsoft was trying to convey that the boards are there because of the violence. the boards won't be there forever. if there's going to be a mural drawn the time is now. i'm sure there are a lot of companies who are feeling their way through this time, trying to say everything perfectly, terrified of saying something wrong to an executive who might hear your story and think, well, not going to take that risk. let's just keep our heads down. what would you say to them? >> yeah. so let me just make a point. you know, the intention was wrong. what they were trying to do, there was some positivity in there. there could have been some good in there. there could have been some real collaboration in there, but it's a system that is used to the exploitation of artists in our time. you know, what they could have said is we would love to speak

to a lot of you and see what we could do for you. have us in the room. have us in those conversations. have us in those meetings. and have us be a part of that collaboration and conversation if it is about our lives. so that's what they could have done. and so, you know, i don't want people not to take action. you will get it wrong. but the point is to keep trying and not be -- not have that fear of getting it wrong. >> shantell martin, thanks very much. thank you for sharing your store are us. >> cool. thank you so much. coming up, a funeral service is being held today for david mcatee. shot dead during the kentucky national protests. to louisville next. plus, defund the police. what exactly does that mean? turning a rallying into real change. that's just ahead. stay close. se an entirely new feeling, the difference between excellence and mastery is all the difference in the world.

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holding a celebration of his life. the barbecue restaurant owner was killed in front of his business on june 1st. kentucky's national guard shot him dead during a protest in honor of breonna taylor. she was also shot dead in that case by louisville police during a no-knock raid. nbc's cal perry joins us now from louisville. cal, i hear that mr. mccatee was a well known member of the community who often gave away barbecue to police officers. >> his body laid in the streets for about 14 hours. the police saying they regret that. we were able to speak with family and friends on that morning. >> cal, i'm sorry. i don't mean to interrupt you. did you say that his body lay in the streets for 14 hours? >> reporter: yeah. so this was a very tense scene morning. the police were investigating it. they said his body was part of the crime scene. we were standing there with a group of very upset folks from the neighborhood including some

family members and constant negotiations with the detective who was running the investigation about moving that body. and police later said they regretted how long he laid there in that street. and during that time, we were able to talk to people who talked about how kind a man he was. how he owned this barbecue restaurant partly to surround himself with family members. that this was a place where people hung out. i should say, because it is key key i think to the investigation this side of town the west side of louisville was not seeing protests. there was a curfew in effect. the national guard and police were enforcing that curfew. the protests were here on the other side of town in jefferson park. here where i'm standing they were using rubber bullets and pepper bullets. west of side, they were firing real bullets. i have to tell you that video is very unclear. the governor and the mayor said similar things. it speaks to the broader conversation about how we police in this country and whether or

not it was worth the national guard backed really by the local police to forcefully enforce a curfew when this is just a part of town where people hang out on these nights on a friday, saturday, sunday night where people gather together. it's like that every night. david mcatee was embedded in this community. he was a part of that nightly routine when he, as you said, and we heard this the morning after, used to give free meals to police officers late at night. so, a tragedy here louisville seems like one tragedy after the other and compound that with the fact again those police officers were not wearing body cameras. that's what this city is left with as they deal with the most recent tragedy. >> thank you, cal. that's nbc's cal perry joining us from louisville. incidents like these in kentucky are just one more reason that more people are saying it is time to defund the police. this demonstration in philadelphia is one of several where folks are demanding reallocating money from law enforcement to social services. protesters are also calling for

rethinking the role of policing in society. meanwhile, other protesters are calling for police forces to be abolished all together, so something else can take their places. both are audacious, neither is impossible. but when most people say defund the police, do they mean either of these? or neither of these? or maybe a bit of both? joining us to discuss it is new york times correspondent john and britney packer cunningham a black lives matter activist and msnbc contributor. good to have you both with us. britney, let me start with you. one advocate of getting rid of police forces spoke to "the new york times" saying in part, quote, why on earth would we think the same reforms would work now? we need to change our demands. the surest way of reducing police violence is to reduce the power of police by cutting budgets and the number of officers, unquote. what dpuo you think of that? >> i wholeheartedly agree with

it. defunding is not without precedent in this country. we've seen education be defunded. we have seen treaty obligations be defunded and folks try to defund planned parenthood and the essential health care that so many of our communities receive. so the idea that defunding is a curse word in the american political lexicon is only true when black people are the ones who are demanding it. look, everybody deserves public safety. but joshua, you know as well as i do our current system of policing is not a system of olympic safety. it's a system of public compliance often brings more violence into communities. if governments really want to keep people safe, then they will invest far more money in the programs that prevent crime than they do in this system that is meant to punish suspected crime and does so more often with the level of violence. i don't know about you, but i want to live in a community that keeps me safe from the ground up. and doesn't overpolice me with a hand of violence from the top

down. that's what every single person deserves. so that means in t immediate, we shift funds to the services that desperately need them and in the long-term we redesign public safety together with everybody in mind. >> john, this slogan defund the police is very much open to interpretation. we have seen the president around his supporters filling in some of the blanks. mr. trump now says that democrats are against law and order and would look to defund our military next. is this the kind of idea that seems like it will work fine until it butts up against politics? >> well, certainly there are things that still need to be hashed out about exactly what defunding would look like or where things would go and abolition. but make no mistake act it, there are many people in the community who do feel that defunding and abolishing could be a prudent step. just to give you one example, joshua, when i was in minneapolis, i spent two weeks there i went up to the north side of town where it's a predominantly black population and asking people there, what do you think about this idea of

abolishing police and defunding police. while for people who might be mostly white neighborhoods who can call on the police and rely on them to come and solve whatever problems they have, people in these communities what they saw was a force that didn't come to protect them, one that came to basically brutalize them, use aggression against them. i talked to one young woman she called the police once when she was in an abusive situation with her partner and she got arrested. her children were getting roughed up by the police. i talked to a man who at 7 years old the police came to his house because his parents were having an argument, he got guns pointed in his face. so in essence, there are some communities that already feel like they do not have a police department they can call on. they do not feel like they have a police department that is there to protect and serve them. people in these situations abolishing the police, abolishing something that is not there for them is not that radical of an idea. >> britney, republicans seem to be united generally against these calls to defund. democrats seem a bit divided. joe biden said he is against the idea. new york's mayor bill de blasio

announced an nypd budget cut and andrew cuomo governor said will not get state funding. amendments to arrest tactics gone in effect in washington, california, minnesota. what do you make of this broad spectrum of opinions and actions? >> well, we understand that there's a broad spectrum. but if we waited for everybody to get on board with the change that was necessary, we would be waiting forever. imagine just how many things would never have changed in this society if we waited on public opinion to catch up to the right side of history. look, i come from a long line of people who knew how to fight for what they couldn't see yet. my ancestors couldn't see freedom but they were brave enough to imagine it and then go make it happen. so that's the kind of courage we need to see exhibited at every level of government because we're certainly seeing it exhibited on the streets. and i have to say, you mentioned mayor de blasio, i need him to make sure that he's concerned with firing the police officers who were involved in the death

of laline plan koe a black transwoman killed last year. there are lot of places for our leadership to be focussed. they're not holding folks accountable let alone being brave about what's possible. >> dr. king did say that change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability. it's understandable why so many people are so ardent about this call in whatever way they interpret it. john, britney, glad to have had you both with us. thanks very much. coming up in just a moment, an update on coronavirus. more than 20 states are seeing a spike in cases. plenty to catch up on and we'll get you the latest next. you the. no uh uh, no way come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card. and still going for my best. even though i live with a higher risk of stroke

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peaceful protesters on june 1st to make way for presidential photo op. the secret service put out a statement a short time ago and official stated in part, quote, after further review, the u.s. secret service has determined that an agency employee used pepper spray on june 1st during efforts to secure the area near lafayette park, unquote. this of course goes against what we were initially told a week ago about how that square was cleared, but they did, indeed use what is commonly used as o.c. spray to clear the park, confirming what we saw. we'll keep an eye on this story and update you as needed. cases of coronavirus are spiking in more than 20 states and that increase comes as the nation begins to ease its social distancing restrictions. last week in california, cases hit a new daily high of nearly 3,600. officially surpassed that record just yesterday. nbc scott cohen is in palo alto with more. scott, what's the atmosphere like where you are, particularly

people are concerned about the cases spiking? >> reporter: well, let me show you, joshua. california avenue in palo alto, we last reported from here just about exactly three months ago the shelter in place order was new. the restaurants were just starting to take out food. take a look. they have now closed off a section of this street to vehicular traffic to people can socially distance, turning it sort of into a street cafe so to speak. and people are definitely aware of the rising cases, but the people that we talk to just glad for a chance to get out. >> it feels frankly a little liberating just because you've been stuck inside for the past few months. and you know, you're now being able to slowly get back outside. also what we want to do is support our local businesses. >> i feel very safe. you know, i think there's a lot of space. everyone is wearing masks.

you know, yeah, there is still a little bit of a risk, but i don't feel like -- i feel like all the measures here are mitigating that. >> reporter: and california is getting set to open up even more as we move now -- at least most counties to into phase 3 of governor gavin newsome's reopening phase, nail salons and movie theaters. the governor defending this by saying that the risk is still there but the state is much better prepared in terms of ppe and equipment and hospital space. and so they are constantly doing that balance between opening the economy and also protecting the public. but joshua, i might add, we're closing in on a grim milestone of 5,000 deaths in the state of california. >> busy downtown district in palo alto near stanford, probably a little less busy that school is in summer session. that's nbc's scott cohen joining us from palo alto. thanks very much.

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confrontation, mr. brooks was able to secure from one of the atlanta officers his taser. we have now seen full video from the wendy's restaurant showing this gentleman entering into the video frame running or fleeing from atlanta police officers. it appears that he has in his hand the taser. you can see that at least to the naked eye, that's what it appears. he runs relatively short distance, looks like it's probably, 5, 6, 7 parking spacing distance and at that point turns around and appears to the eye that he points the taser at the atlanta officer. at that point the atlanta officer reaches down and retrieves his weapon from his holster, discharges it, strike mrs. brooks there on the parking lot and he goes down. that information has been corroborated by a witness that we have interviewed. and that's the information we have at this point. i will tell you again that

that's what it appears. and looking at the wendy's surveillance video to the naked eye. we have not digitally enhanced that video yet. we will. we'll be in the process of doing that so we can enhance it and see, but that does what it appears see. that is what appears to be just from looking at the video. i will tell you this. we intend on making that video available to you and the public today so you will have it and see it. our public affairs department will work with you in making sure you get that before the day is over. we'll make that public. we want everyone to see what we have seen in this case, and that's why, again, i would ask for some patience. i don't want anyone in any circumstances to rush to any form of judgment. it's very easy to do in these cases on either side. we realize there's a tremendous amount of emotion, passion involved in these cases and certainly with the way the environment is now it's only enhanced. again, i would just humbly and

respectfully ask the public to just wait a minute. i want you to see what we've been able to see. i want to you have it and look at it as we have been able to obtain it and look at it. we should before the evening is over make that available to all media outlets who want it so they can broadcast it and the public can see it as well. as i said a moment ago, we intend on digitally enhancing that video. that's something that we're capable of doing here at the bureau. we'll begin doing that soon. as far as a time line is concerned, it's always difficult to put a definitive time line on it. as you might well imagine because of the nature of this particular case and the circumstances of what we're dealing in and the environment today, we have advised the agents to expedite the investigation. any additional work that needs to be done here at our laboratory, we will certainly prioritize that and do it as quickly as possible. we want to be very expeditious

in this case. we want to be very, very quick in this case. but we have to be very thorough in this case. we have to do it the right way. i'm sure when i speak to the public that anyone who had a loved one in this situation on either side, either as a law enforcement officer or someone who has been involved in a situation where officers used deadly force, that they want the investigation done correctly. they want it done thorough, and they want it done right. that's exactly what the gbi intends on doing in this case. once that investigation is complete, we will submit it to the district attorney's office and with law enforcement involved circumstance, they will make the final decision on what happens with the case. >> you're watching a news conference from the georgia bureau of investigation with its director, vick reynolds, talking about an encounter a man had

with police. an officer got his service weapon and fired on mr. brooks when it appeared that mr. brooks raised the taser to hit one of the cameras. gbi will enhance the video. gbi is under orders to expedite its investigation. we'll keep an eye on this news conference and investigation and update you as soon as we can. when you think about it, a statue to a federal general is a participation trophy, an enduring honor for someone that lost. that's the least of all reasons why more of these statues are coming down and some question why they were installed in the first place. protesters have demanded their removal for years. some are taking them down on their own.

that's not the only confederate legacy that's under threat. u.s. military bases named after confederate leaders are being asked to change names. the change in nascar came after bubba wallace, the only black driver in the top series, called for their removal and lady a antebellum changed their name to lady a. let's discuss this with jonathan horn. his new book is called " "washington's end." with what we know about robert e. lee, if he was here, what would he say about all this? >> it's always dangerous to say what someone from the 19th century would think about what's happening in the 21st century.

based on what we can see of these rights after the civil war, we definitely get the impression that robert e. lee did not favor putting up confederate memorials. he was asked multiple times what he thought about it and when would be the right time to do this. he kept saying not now. he believed that countries that obliterate reminders of civil war move on from civil war. he believed bridging history in places might help bridge the divide between north and south. >> by the southern poverty law center's count there's many symbols in the u.s. that includes more than 100 schools named after confederates. if robert e. lee did not want this, how did this happen? >> most of it started happening well after robert e. lee died in 1870. in fact, most of these statues tell you much more about the people who put up the statue in

the turn of the 20th century than the people they're showing. what they show is that people well into american history, decades after the civil war, continued to romanticize and glorify people who had fought for a confederacy dedicated to securing human property. >> jonathan, sorry we had to cut the conversation short. we appreciate you making time for us. thank you very much. also thank you for making time for us this hour. we'll meet back here at 9:00 eastern and keep an eye on that story out of atlanta. until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. the news continues after the break on msnbc. in the laundry room. ahh... new gain with essential oils detergent.

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