good afternoon. we start this hour with president trump at one of the nation's oldest military institutions in west point, new york. a few hours ago the president spoke to more than 1,000 graduating cadets practicing social distancing about his views on the role of the military. >> it's not the duty to solve ancient conflicts in far away lands that many people have never even heard of. we are not the policemen of the world but let our enemies be on notice if our people are threatened, we will never, ever hesitate to act.

>> with me now, colonel jacobs and will goodwin, and jonathan capeha capehart. will, we spoke earlier with senator tammy duckworth and said she felt the president missed an opportunity in this speech to talk about racism and the moment we are in. your thoughts? >> he absolutely did. i think, first, we have to start by congratulating these graduates and thanking them for their continued service to our country. but today they were forced to listen to a president who is himself a walking, talking betrayal of everything that they have been taught over the last four years. i mean, west point held those cadets to an honor code that they wouldn't lie, cheat, steal or tolerate those who do and donald trump is a president who

died over 18,000 times, who cheated his way through business, who cheated on his pregnant wife with stormy daniels, and who stole billions of dollars from military construction funds from military families to build his racist border wall and tolerated the same behavior from people across his administration. i hope donald trump enjoyed giving that speech this morning because there are many of us who served in the military who will do everything we can to make sure that the next time there's a commencement speech at west point, joe biden will be delivering those remarks. >> there was a post this week criticize i criticizing fellow graduates. what has this president's tenure in office meant for morale for the military itself? >> not as good as it was ten years ago. i read an interview of secretary

gates who said not only that but we're not nearly as safe as we were three years ago. i think that evaluation is correct. we have withdrawn from the world stage. our desire to influence our own national defense is greatly reduced. the notion that we shouldn't be out there trying to influence events away from our own borders is misguided. the distinction the president made in the speech that there's a big difference between the conventional use of the military, which is his view of how the military ought to be used and what we used to call nation building, that is trying to get indigenous forces in their countries to try to defend themselves to make us safer as well as them. that's a distinction that shouldn't be made. in fact, the harder we work to make others capable of defending

themselves, which is what we've been doing, had been doing for a long, long time, the safer the united states would be. >> jonathan, when you listen to what the colonel was just saying, how much of that conversation about how america is supposed to utilize its military and how it is supposed to take its place on the world stage is going to play out in the lead up to november? how much of that is a question in this election? >> if you listen to remarks from former vice president biden over the last couple weeks, he's not only talking about who we are as a nation but who we are as a nation in terms of the rest of the world in terms of being a beacon. the thing that stood out to me in the president's speech, the clip you showed, and i'm dplgla you showed it where he talks about defending our own interest, what he didn't say and what we've grown accustomed to

presidents in the modern era saying is that the united states is a defender of democracy and a defender of democracy around the world. there was a time when the united states would be standing up for democracy in hong kong. would be standing up for freedom of the press in those nations where the government is cracking down on journalism. journalism and a free press is one of the legs in the stool upholding democracy. you know, great for the u.s. military to protect the united states but what good is democracy and freedom if the one nation that prides itself on being at the forefront of it isn't willing to -- isn't willing to defend it overseas. >> colonel jack, this week it was written the united states military is the most trusted

institution in the country but trump's call to dispatch armed forces to crush protests so he can look tough portrays the military's nonpartisan tradition. how concerned are you that trump's actions will test the trust americans have in the military? >> one thing we ought to be hopeful about is that the commanders below him, the people at the top of the military food chain, will dig their heels in and resist situations like we saw the other day. i think it was very helpful for the general to record the apology that he did. we've got more than 2 million young people in uniform watching everything that happens at that level, and they've all been taught that the military has absolutely no place in domestic politics and when when the general apologized for what he did, i think it sent a message to everybody that, in fact, we know what the right track will

be. we just have to rely on those at the top of the food chain to make sure we stay on it. >> will, you had him saying the military needs to do better when it comes to issues of race. where should it start? >> they can start by renaming the army bases that are currently honoring racists con federal traders who took up arms against our own country. that's not just at an abstract level. think about what we're asking of black service members who are putting their lives on the line for our country. we're asking them to go to work each and every day on bases that were named by people who wanted to rip this country apart to preserve slavery and deny those same service members their most basic rights and their humanity. we should start by renaming those bases in honor of real american military heroes and then everyone else on the outside of the military has a responsibility to elect a commander in chief who is truly worthy of the service and sacrifice of our men and women

in yuuniform. a commander in chief that believes that black lives matter. >> you look at the polling, it shows the percentage of americans that support the removal of these names is actually increasing. on wednesday you have the senate armed services committee voting to require the pentagon to strip bases of con ffederate names within three years. what does it say with the president's relationship with those on the hill? >> maybe it's daylight between the president and republicans particularly in the senate who have done nothing but constantly carry water for him. hopefully this is the beginning of a longer and necessary trend. the united states right now is at an inflection point. we've been through these national conversations on race

before, but i do think because the american people can see with their own eyes over 8 minutes and 46 agonizing seconds the extinguishing of life of a fellow american at the hands of law enforcement was a bridge too far. that's not to say these things haven't happened before. they have. and for generations. but this time the american people could see it with their own eyes. they could not look away. judging by the polling and the demonstrators who were still in the streets more than two weeks later, they're not going back. >> colonel jack, will, and jonathan, thank you all so much. up next, protests and progress. the demonstrations continue coast to coast. we'll talk about the work to turn this historic moment into lasting change. plus, we'll look at what happened to voters in georgia this week and what other states need to be doing in the run-up to november. that's comie ining up on msnbc.

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we're following a breaking story out of atlanta where a fatal police involved shooting at a local fast food restaurant is spark outrage. new cell phone video shows the scene play out. we want to warn you the video is disturbing. officers responded to complaints of a man asleep in his car at a wendy's drive-through. brooks failed a sobriety test, resisted arrest and tried to grab an officer's taser which is apparently when brooks was shot. >> he runs a relatively short distance. looks like five, six, seven parking spaces distance. at that point turns around and it appears to the eye that he points a taser at the atlanta officer. at that point the atlanta officer reaches down and retrieves his weapon from its holster, discharges it and strikes mr. brooks in the parking lot and he goes down. that information has been

corroborated by a witness that we have interviewed. we intend on making that video available to you and to the public today so you all have it and will see it. our public affairs department will work if you in making sure you get that before the day is over. >> protesters have since gathered near the wendy's and the georgia bureau of investigation says the atlanta police department asked it to investigate the shooting. in philadelphia, protests are taking place today for the second weekend in a row. today thousands of people are expected to attend two separate rallies advocating for police reform following death of george floyd. we go to the ground in philadelphia. what is the distinction between these two different protests? >> reporter: earlier this afternoon we saw thousands of people in west philadelphia centering around a protest in remembrance of the bombing that happened in 1985 in that section

of town. black activists were living in that area and philadelphia police actually bombed the house that they were living in and caused major destruction in the area. the protest focused on referr g remembering those victims and others who have been killed under police brutality. there are thousands more focused on defunding the police. we'll look at the signs this afternoon. no more racist police. terror. justice for george floyd. 99% of killer cops are never convicted. one thing protesters have told me today and the meaning of defund police changes from person to person. what a couple people told me is they're looking for a reallocation of resources in the city's budget. the mayor here in philadelphia actually cut the new proposed budget for 2021's fiscal year. they were supposed to have a $21 million increase. he listened to protesters and said they won't do that.

he included in that funding they were planning on adding some anti-racist training for police officers and increased use of body cameras and other initiatives like that and hiring public safety officers. when i reached out to the police department in the city to figure out does that happen even with the lack of funding, they didn't get back to me. so it's one of these things when we're talking to people on the ground they're looking for forward change but there isn't a path forward just yet. they say consistency keeps showing up 14 days after they started protesting in philadelphia. they say that the consistency of showing up will work towards that change. >> thank you. nationwide protests against systemic racism are now entering their third straight weekend. organizers say there is still much to be done but here's a look at what they've accomplished so far. in late may, george floyd's death came on the heels of nationwide outrage over the deaths of two others.

police against police brutality began shortly after floyd's death at the end of may and by the end of june all four officers involved had been arrested and charged. the next day june 5th, the mayor of d.c. had the words plaqblack lives matter painted on 16th street. by june 7th, minneapolis voted to disband the police department. after two weeks in the streets, we started to see a cultural shift. for example, nascar banned confederate flags at races and confederate statues began coming down across the country. louisville banned no knock warrants in the wake of breona taylor's death and new york city council vobacked a proposal to t $1 million from the nypd budget. the question is now to sustain that momentum.

with me now is judith brown, kimberly atkins, and brittany cooper. you have a book "elegant rage" has earned its well deserved place on "the new york times" bestseller's list. thank you for being with us. judith, i want to start with you. that is a big list of accomplishments in a very short period of time. what do you anticipate seeing next? >> first we need to make sure we understand that the work against systemic racism and police brutality and misconduct has not just started, right. this work has been going on for quite sometime. organizations across the country have been doing this work.

this moment has opened up an opportunity for us to talk about doing something radically different, that we can't continue to see black people dying at the hands of the police. not only that, it's the choke holds and no-knock warrants and stop and frisk. so i think moving forward what we're going to see is that people are calling for defund because we want a refund. we want an investment in black community. all of the structural problems that we saw with covid that made black people more susceptible to covid-19, we want investments. that means taking money from the police budgets to be able to pay for health care. better schools and education. more hospital beds. all of the infrastructure, mental health, drugs, drug prevention, violence prevention, that's where the work is. we'll be pushing in congress to make sure that they pass these reforms, but we know that's not

enough and locally we'll be pushing to make sure that we get some of that money put back into black communities. >> kimberly to that point about legislation, you have congressional democrats introducing the justice in policing act. it would mandate the use of dashboard cameras and body cameras for federal law enforcement officers. there are no republicans voicing support for it yet. what will it take to get a piece of legislation like this passed? >> it will take a bipartisan effort. it will take a buy in by both parties in washington to get something like this passed. perhaps there might be a passage of a bill that is less broad in scope. keep in mind, all of these measures would apply only to federal law enforcement. the vast majority of policing in this country takes place on a

local level. so it would not impact that directly except for a couple provisions like the one that barred the transfer of surplus military equipment to local police offices. that was a rule already in place by the way. it was put in place during the obama administration after ferguson and reversed by the trump administration. but what you are seeing are mayors and police chiefs listen to these protests and you're seeing in cities from boston to los angeles taking some measures as you pointed out earlier. in boston the mayor announced yesterday that much of the overtime budget that had been in place for police overtime was going to be diverted, some $9 million would be diverted into community programs because we know the evidence shows that in place where you have overpolicing and places where you have an increase of instances where people die at the hands of police, black people die at the hands of

police, there is a lack of education. there is a lack of affordable housing. there is a lack of other resources or the police is being used -- they're being put in schools or they're being used as social service managers instead of law enforcement officers. there's at least the beginnings of an effort in these cities to address that. we'll have to see where it goes. the protesters and organizers i talked to say they want to keep the sustained pressure on these local officials until that happens. >> brittany, we recently learned of the deaths of two trans black women. how do you guarantee this move is intersectional as it moves forward? >> it's a wonderful question. what i want to say about that is the movement for black lives prioritize making sure that we have trans folks in leadership in 2015. a black trans woman opened the

first national convening for the movement for black lives in cleveland five years ago july 2015. it was a signal that we would do this movement different than the civil rights movement had done, different than prior movements for racial justice. we would have this commitment to a kinder gender justice. part of the challenge here is that we have to deal with outward manifestation of white supremacy. and we're also having to do this internal work of decolonizing of undoing all of the problematic ideas that we have gotten as a consequence of white supremacy and capitalism that makes us think there's only two genders when gender is what you make it and how you define it. the movement for black lives has a lot of work to do. they are really trying to engage in community education of black communities to help them think more robustly about gender because so much of the violence that happens to bla

black trans women is perpetrated by the state in terms of issues with unemployment, issues with health care, issues with housing insecurity, but it is also perpetrated in black communities often by black men and as a black feminist it becomes complicated because we're in the streets fighting for these spectacular murders of black men by the state and also dealing with this problem of seeing the way that black men are sometimes violent within black communities particularly to black women. our call is black lives matter including black trans lives. >> judith, i go back to the point you made at the top which is this is bigger than police brutality and it becomes about policies whether it's ppe or access to health care and when you step away from policy, there's the cultural shift we see happening in this moment that these conversations are being had in newsrooms, in private schools, inside corporations. how do you measure that

progress? >> it's hard to measure. i will tell you that i've been doing this work for quite some time. first of all, a few years ago we weren't even saying the terms white supremacy. we say that. the lexicon has changed. the fact that defund is where this movement started. but people have been doing that work and finally that language is starting to take hold. so much so that people really are talking about it. this is a moment where we get to dream and we get to reimagine and we are seeing in the media and way people are talking about it and it opens up opportunity for us to think about something different that protects black lives in a very different way it's exciting. we do work around police-free schools. we had several school districts this past week who ended their contracts because young people were demanding to have police

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this week a new projection from the cdc estimates that the death toll from covid-19 in the u.s. will hit between 120,000 to 140,000 by july. 20 states are reporting an increase in cases amid reopening measures. in houston, city officials are considering a lockdown due to a spike in cases there.

joining me now to discuss is a preventive medicine physician at yale school of public health and staff writer at "the publatlant" states have seen a surge in cases and covid-19 related hospitalizations. what do you think is behind those spikes? >> i don't think there's a lot of mystery when you reopen and you have people congregating in closed spaces coming into close contact for prolonged periods, there are going to be increases and spikes and this is known and we've known this for a long time. you're not going able to pinpoint it to any single one of these measures that have been taken toward reopening. it's probably many things taken together, but it is clear that

we know that we can't stay in lockdown indefinitely in this country. but the more that we do open up, the more cases we are going to see so it's a delicate balance of moving forward and then pulling back and trying to do it as safely as possible. >> i mean, listen, you and i have been talking about this for months. we've been talking about it since it started. you said what you said months ago that this was going to be the natural fallout of beginning to reopen. this is, again, as you said not a big surprise. yet i have to imagine that if you are an executive, a state executive, a mayor of a town, you look at these numbers and trying to figure out what it means going forward both into the summer and then into the fall when we expect to see those numbers tick up again. >> right. what it means that we need to think more outside of the box. we need to keep some things closed and doing other things to open up spaces and provide

resources for people. so the initial instinct to say shut down parks or limit the number of people who can be outside, maybe well intentioned but when you realize we'll live with this for months, years, the idea is that we need more space for people so that they can spread out. we need to think about as some cities have done opening streets, expanding hours, think about expanding work days, expanding community time and trying to spread people out. considering not just shut things down and lockdown but how do you make essential things able to go done in ways that are sustainable here and we're going to have to keep living with this and people need to think about facilitating that including making masks available everywhere. >> it's interesting to me that you talk about expanding when clearly part of the natural

reaction is to retract so you already have some states, some major cities, that say they may need to go back down into lockdown are delay reopening plans. do you think you'll end up seeing more of that? >> i think there's going to be a breaking point for some people and politically -- if leaders only think that the only way to return to any sort of economic stability is to go back to reopening things exactly as they were, that will be a failure. that will be a constant level of outbreak and of economic failure. the more that we can think of what are ways to create a new economy in which people can distance safely and can get exercise and be out and engaged socially and in elections and do this safely for a prolonged

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a fair and safe turnout in november? with me now is the commissioner of the federal election commission. thank you so much for joining us. i wonder how much of this is about georgia and what we know is happening in georgia and how much of this forebodes a larger problem going into november? >> well, georgia is not the only place that we have seen problems. we saw problems earlier this year in wisconsin, and there have been problems actually historically. this, unfortunately, is not the first time we've seen long lines at polling places. we ought to be able to agree as americans that here in 2020 in the united states of america, no one should have to wait in line for hours in order to exercise their right to vote. >> let me ask you what is perhaps a scary question which is five months enough time to tackle the infrastructure questions at hand in order to make sure that everyone who wants to vote will be able to vote in november?

>> well, it's getting tight. we have to start now. i know that there are election officials across the country who are working on this. they really need more resources and congress needs to appropriate more funds for this. it's been estimated it will cost $4 billion for every citizen to be able to have assessable and safe voting this year. this is a particular challenge this year with covid-19 where standing in long lines and being grouped together is going to be a particular problem. remember, the elections that we've seen so far have taken place in springtime. the general election is going to be in november. we could see freezing temperatures, snow, rain, and we can't have people standing outside in line for hours in freezing temperatures. so states need to start now. states and localities need to start now to gear up, to get the equipment that they need to make sure they have enough ballots on hand and to make sure they have

the equipment they need, to make sure the equipment works, to line up poll workers. a lot of poll workers historically have been retirees who come from a high-risk community for covid-19 and what we have seen in the primaries is that a lot of them have said not this year. i can't take that risk of showing up. so the states and localities need to be recruiting younger workers. one suggestion that is an excellent one is they look to the program where there are thousands of young, healthy peace corps volunteers brought home because of the virus. they couldn't risk being abroad so the united states brought them home. reach out to those good public spirited young people who are not in a high-risk group and try to recruit them for poll workers because we cannot have a situation where people request absentee ballots, they don't get the absentee ballots, they try to show up on election day and the lines are stretching for

hours and blocks and blocks. and then, as in georgia, poll workers weren't well trained enough in order to run the machines that were there. once they got inside, they still couldn't vote because the machines didn't work and there weren't enough provisional ballots on hand. states need to start buying the equipment, doing the training, doing the educating of the voters about how the system is going to work, and they need to be prepared for a largely vote by mail election because that is what the voters will demand. >> all right. thank you so much for your time. i would like to bring in an msnbc political analyst and also a partner at new coast strategies and democratic strategist. i keep thinking about your book "the end of white politics" and how you process a story like this. there's a question of how we vote. there's also the question of who gets to vote. >> right.

in my book i'm talking about the research that predicts that america will be minority white by 2045 meaning that a majority of the american electorate will be people of color. it will be black and brown. we're already seeing that when we look at the data in the younger generations. generation c and millennials and they are larger than the boomer generation. we're looking at the perfect storm of all of this data coming together. again, demographics are not destiny. you have to be able to cast your ballot and actually participate in the process in a safe manner so the pandemic in the backdrop of all of this means that, you know, what i'm predicting in terms of what is possible with a more diverse electorate than ever before is only a prediction. it is not something that i can say it will ultimately come true unless everyone is able to

participate. if we have that turnout that we've seen already in 2018. >> who does responsibility fall to to get this right in time for november? the campaigns are invested in getting this right in time for november. there are organizers focused on civic engagement who are committed to get this right in time for november. there are a lot of federal leaders that are going to need to step up to the plate. where does responsibility lie and how do you create the pressure necessary to make sure that people are focused? this is five months out. the time is ticking. >> well, you know, it's going to be a team effort. it really falls on all of us to ensure that we are doing everything we can do ensure fully assessable, safe voting options for all americans. and so right now in congress, there is a bill that people are moving forward that would provide $4 billion in funding in addition for state, county elections offices. as you mentioned, it's going to

come down to everyone. the campaigns, the committees, the organizations that have been organizing on the ground nonstop. corporations, businesses, everyone really has to be speaking out at the moment and doing everything we can to ensure that what happened in georgia this past week does not happen in november. >> there's reporting that republican senators whose seats are vulnerable have start eed omitting president trump from their ads. what does that tell democrats about the position they're in and how they position themselves going into november? >> well, i think republicans are finally coming around to the place where the majority of the country is. donald trump is a failure in terms of handling this pandemic and governing the nation through this crisis. now it's a multitude of crises in that you have racial unrest on top of the pandemic already going on. his inability to execute any type of federal response in a

competent way has allowed democrats to say we are the alternative to that. anyone who has remained silent and complicit in the face of this complete incompetence is going along with really what is a great trauma to the country in that we've had over 100,000 lives lost. i think that the alternative strategy for democrats is to point out the vision for a competent leadership going forward and i think removing him from the commercials, i'm surprised it took this long. >> you look at the protests across the country, multiracial, multigenerational, and yet there's this question of whether or not voting should be the ultimate push. clearly there have been a number of accomplishments that have come up in the course of these protests. if you are on one of these campaigns and you want to harness the enthusiasm and energy happening at these protests, how do you do it while honoring the fact that people

don't see voting as the only answer to these problems? >> you know, i think step number one is we have to follow the lead of these movement leaders and groups on the ground and people that have really been fighting for racial justice for decades now. it's incredibly important that those of us on campaigns or democratic or progressive organizations that we're following their lead. i think the best way that we can turn voters out in november is to really show that we're the party. we're the candidate who stand by them so we have to show them that and we have to join them in the fight for these progressive and just measures. you know, as we go, of course, we'll do our best tone su ensur everyone is registered to vote and provide information and opportunities to work together in real partnership. number one is being an ally. >> thank you both. two parties, two candidates, and two very different approaches to hosting a convention in a pandemic.

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let's bring in the communications director of the democratic national committee. this is going to be largely virtual. can you give us a sense of what that is going to look like? >> we don't know what it will look like yet. i can guarantee you what we're currently trying to plan is the format of the convention, the size and exactly what a convention looks like during a pandemic. these are unprecedented times. whie while our entire country is going through them right now, our convention is also adjusting. what will not happen is what happened with republicans where republicans heard from health officials and the governor of north carolina ap othend others decided to ditch north carolina and go to florida where you have seen a spike of cases in the last few days. we plan on having our convention in milwaukee, highlighting milwaukee and wisconsin and we will not abandon wisconsin. we look forward to nominating joe biden. we will listen to health

professionals and the format will make sure that is taken into account. >> to your point the president changed the location of much of his convention because he didn't want a socially distanced event. for the folks you have in person, will they be socially distanced? >> well, one of the things we have talked about and the dnc actually took some measures that they put into place, we passed a resolution that basically allowed the convention to full authority in order to plan. that means whether it is voting in person or voting that would allow for social distancing. so typically our conventions have been held where everybody votes in person, but we want to make sure we are providing flexibility in case people need to vote remote. so we made a change in our rules in order to do that. i know republicans have said that the reason they have to have a convention with tens of thousands of people is because their rules don't allow for them to vote in a remote location,

but i don't buy that. if the democrats can change their rules in order to making sure we are people safe, then republicans should do the same. right now i think their convention is largely ego driven. >> there's a lot of conversation or there was a lot of conversation even before all of this about whether or not these political conventions are still relevant. if you are able to pull off a largely virtual convention, does that spell the end of conventions as we have known them? >> well, i think that this will be up to future conventions and future dncs and, frankly, our future party. but what i will say in terms of conventions moving forward, they must capture the enthusiasm of the party. they also -- we want to make sure that we are producing something that is for national television, that you have the most amount of people possible

watching it. a lot of times people think that any sort of virtual thing would end up being a thousand zoom calls. what we are looking at right now is making sure regardless of what the format looks like, regardless of what happens, whether people participate in person or remote, that it is for national television. and i think that we will be successful in doing that. >> my back tensed up when you said a thousand zoom calls because we know nobody wants that. the reverend al sharpton takes over at the top of the hour. "politics nation" is coming up next. "politics nation" is coming up next ransactions and check your balance from here. ransactions you can save for an emergency from here. or pay bills from here. so when someone asks you, "where's your bank?" you can tell them: here's my bank.

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good evening and welcome to "politic "politicsnation." tonight's lead: as america shifts on racism, will the president follow? we continue to see froprotests across the country 19 days after the death of george floyd. americans are anxious to see what changes are happening in police departments across the country and what assistance we can expect from the federal government to aid those reforms.