hello, i'm chris jansing with major breaking news this hour. the mayor of atlanta just announced several big moves in the wake of a deadly police shooting. the city's police chief is stepping aside, and the mayor is calling for the firing of the

police officer involved. this despite law enforcement suggesting that new video they just released shows the suspect did make a threatening move, and police reacted. so let's explain how we got here. there have been protests throughout the day in atlanta after cell phone video emerged of the deadly shooting of 27-year-old rayshard brooks. we want to warn you, this video may be disturbing. police say they were called to a wendy's on a report of a man sleeping in his car and blocking other drivers. after they woke brooks up they say he failed a dui test and resisted arrest, getting into a scuffle with police which continued for some time before he is seen on the video getting up and running from the officers. but the georgia bureau of investigation came out just a short time ago to say the video doesn't tell the whole story, promising to release their own video. well, just a few moments ago, they did. take a look. it's surveillance video that picks up after the cell phone video ends with brooks running

from police. and it appears to show brooks turning toward police and firing a taser. police fire and he drops to the ground. atlanta mayor keshia lance bottoms weighed in a few moments ago calling for quick action against the officer involved. >> while there may be debate of whether this was an appropriate use of deadly force, i firmly believe there is a clear distinction between what you can do and what you should do. i do not believe that this was a justified use of deadly force and have called for the immediate termination of the officer. >> the mayor also announced that long-time atlanta police chief erica shields will step aside as the city launches, quote, a national search for new leadership. i want to bring in marq claxton, director of the black law enforcement alliance and atlanta journal reporter marlon walker.

what's been the reaction? it's been a very short time. but what are you hearing about the mayor's announcement about both the police chief and the call for the officer to be fired? >> it's still very early on, but a lot of people are in shock. erica shields has a great reputation in metro atlanta, and a lot of people are wondering what this means at the end of the day. people are still, you know, like you said, it's been less than 20 hours since everything went down at the wendy's in south atlanta. so a lot of people are still confused about what's going on. the video was just released. i don't think a loft people have had time to digest that at this point. so people are still taking in what they saw last night on social media. and using that to form their opinions. >> and marq, understanding that you haven't had an opportunity even to process this, none of us have. but you heard what the mayor just said, that there is a difference between what you can do and what you should do.

when you watch those two video, tell me what you see as someone with the experience and the understanding of how these situations can play out. >> what i see is circumstances that require additional investigation. but i think the key point here is that the mayor, the mayor indicating her feeling was that the level of force used was not commiserate with the level of threat. and that could be a subjective situation. but we have to gain more information and more evidence, more facts, more witness, more witness statement, more video perhaps to be clear about that. but i think we're now operating under is the minneapolis standard, and that is if there is an incident that involves police that use physical force, the police, there will be a governmental response similar to what we're seeing here and what occurred in minneapolis.

with immediate accountability from the officers continuing to investigate. >> we obviously are having some audio problems, and hopefully we can get those fixed. but marlon, let me go back to your comments about shock, and understand about this again has all happened so fast. have you ever seen any response to an incident like this? and help us to understand sort of as somebody who has talked to protesters where their mind-set was going into all this and over the 12, 20 hours before this most recent video was released? >> i think it goes back to the last two weeks that the nation has seen. last night was probably exacerbated by what's been going on in the two weeks since protests began after george floyd was killed on memorial day and the people are obviously

feeling, you know, everything that's going on at the same time. last night was just the latest in a line of different events for a lot of people who are out there. i was out there briefly and came back for the dbi press conference with vic reynolds. but it's just a lot of numbness. i think a lot of people at this point are just out there, could be out there and be out in force and to get answers. >> but would you say there is anyone you know who has been involved in these protests? and certainly the people who have been involved over the course of years, if not decades in looking at these issues who were surprised by what they saw in that video? . >> i don't think they are. you know, the videos are new, but the circumstances are not. a lot of people look at these videos as finally an opportunity to see something with more tangible evidence.

but people for many years have said that this has been going on all the time. >> so as we watch and wait and see how else this plays out, what the investigation looks like, what kind of conclusion is come to, i thought stacey abrams tweeted something that raises an important question. i should say that she tweeted this after the first video, but before we saw this video that came from wendy's camera. she wrote the killing of rayshard brooks in atlanta last night demands we severely restrict the use of deadly force. yes. investigations must be called for, but so too should accountability. sleeping in a drive-through must not end in death. if this is what police says it was, they got a call, the guy is sleeping, they wake him up. he may have had too much to drink. they say that that's what they the tests showed them. how should this encounter have gone? and is this something that talks

to how we need training so that something like sleeping after maybe you've had too much to drink turns into a deadly encounter? >> what it really is calling for is the reexamination and reinforcement of the use of force continuum, which is in essence, a guy that professional law enforcement uses to determine what level of force should be used, when deadly physical force is appropriate. and if we begin there, reexamination of the use of force, the law as stacey abrams indicated, investigations for the accountability and throughout this part of transparency, then we regain the confidence of the community. and we owe it not only to the community, but to professional law enforcement who are out there day in and day out-performing the job.

>> you know, i wonder if we're going see a lot more of this as part of sort of this at least the stepping down of the police chief, marlon, because the defund police has been a lot of different things to a lot of different people. in new york, for example, here where i am, the governor talked about talking a billion dollars out of the budget and putting it toward other programs. for some people, as you know, it means something very different. it really means a fundamental reimagining of what police forces could look like. in some ways, did you feel like atlanta might be on the way to that? where does this leave the police force in your city or is it impossible to know? >> i think it's a wait and see type situation. i don't think anybody expected this to be the result of what happened last night.

erika shields, again, has a great reputation in the city of atlanta, and as you've seen, especially over the last few weeks, she and mayor bottoms work well together. i think it's going to be a case by case situation where we find out slowly, you know, as things unravel, what's going on and what's more important as these things play out. >> marq, you can't take this situation out from where we are in this country. you can't remove the emotions that we have felt over the last two and a half, three weeks. since the shooting of george floyd. but in a perfect world, what happens next so that justice is served? both for the victim and his family and for everyone else who is involved? >> well, what we're experiencing right now i believe is as i indicated is the minneapolis effect. and we're still trying to make our way threw some of the demanded reform that are out there.

so i think the yes, you need an investigation. that isn't new. i agree with stacey abrams. yes, should it be additional accountability. i also want to add transparency. we have to have transparency every step of the way through the process. that's part of this reform movement as well. because you have to be able to have confidence in faith that information and evidence that doesn't impact necessarily in the prosecution that may be forthcoming have all the information, make calm decisions and judgment. and i'm confident that the mayor had access to information that made her feel very uncomfortable with the use of force. but we owe to it the police to continue this investigation and to make sure that all the i's are dotted and all the t's are crossed. >> really quickly, to that point of something uncomfortable or whatever word may be used, a

taser is a nonlethal weapon. so even if a taser is pointed at and fired at police, is that a situation generally that would call for the use of lethal force? >> well, that is exactly what i gathered from the mayor's comments that her concern was not the use of force. it was the level of force that was used based on the threat. many professions like myself would feel that wasn't being used against the police officer. therefore, he had the responsible, the obligation, that physical force against mr. brooks. so there lies the level of concern and applies to official investigation, evidence, video, and statements. the level of force being used is unquestionable and questionable enough for the mayor to feel that the police officers need to be disciplined immediately while the investigation continue.

>> marq claxton, marlon walker, thanks to both of you, especially in a situation where all of this is very late-breaking. we do appreciate your expertise and your knowledge. coming up, the president's surprise about-face on the much criticized date of an upcoming rally. reaction from tulsa is next. is . thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr+/her2- metastatic breast cancer, as the first hormonal based therapy. ibrance plus letrozole significantly delayed disease progression versus letrozole, and shrank tumors in over half of patients. patients taking ibrance can develop low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infections that can lead to death. ibrance may cause severe inflammation of the lungs that can lead to death. tell your doctor right away

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now to tulsa, oklahoma, where the president had planned to hold a make america great again on juneteenth. trump drew criticism for not only choosing that date, but also for holding its rally just a few miles from the 1921 tulsa race riot, which was one of the deadliest and most destructive riots in american history. the president saying on twitter that black friends and supporters pushed him to do it. a rare retreat for him. but the question is, is that enough? i'm joined by the vice chair of the tulsa city council vanessa

hall harper. it's good to see you, councilwoman. i want to play first what the president said just hours after he tweeted he was changing the date of the rally. here it is. >> think about it as a celebration. my rally is a celebration. it's never been any group or any person that's had rallies like i do. i go and we get the biggest stadium and we fill it up every time. >> how is this about-face playing with you? how is it playing with the people of tulsa you have talked to? is pushing it back enough? >> no, i don't think it's enough. for one, he did not respond to the question that was asked of you. but i think that someone told him the first decision was made that that was not a good idea. and he went forward with it anyway. and now he has moved to it the following day. and this community, as in most communities throughout this country who celebrate juneteenth, juneteenth is normally a weekend celebration.

so there will still be activities going on saturday. and that still gives me concern because there is a very good chance for racial tension to come about in our community. so it's not on the 19th, and that's well and good. but at the same time, the concerns that i have not only with the covid pandemic situation, but also with the possibility of racial tension and things turning very bad, very quickly is still a primary concern for me. >> so tell me what you know about the conversations that were had between the white house and officials in tulsa. i mean, obviously oklahoma is a solidly red state. he beat hillary clinton there, 65 to 29% in 2016. but what sort of been the genesis of this as you understand it? why do you think he is even coming to tulsa? >> i had -- we had at the local level no communication

whatsoever in that decision for him to come here or for him to change it for the next day. so there was no engagement. i found out when the rest of the country found out through breaking news on my phone. i'm sorry. what was your second question? >> i just wonder why you think he is even coming to tulsa. it isn't a battleground state obviously, i agree. >> this isn't a place where he is going to -- yeah. >> exactly, exactly. and that's my point exactly. oklahoma has been a solidly red state for several years. and so why choose oklahoma? you have oklahoma for the most part. i think it's just another opportunity to twist the knife and a slap in the face to this community. this is a president who has had nothing good to say, who has made openly racist comments about black and brown countries and black and brown people and

lgbtq community and et cetera. and so for him to come here and sell this farce, this facade to say oh, this is an opportunity for unity in the black community you choose tulsa, oklahoma to do that in, i think it's insulting, and i think it's a sham. i think he is trying to maybe get some black votes but again, he has oklahoma down. so i just -- i think it's just an opportunity another opportunity to add insult to injury. that's the only explanation i can come up with. >> i don't need to tell you that tensions were already running high in tulsa after the june 4th arrest of a black teenager for what was said was jaywalking. we've all seen that police body cam video. it shows an officer handcuffing the young man. an officer appears to be hitting him while in the back of the police car.

all because apparently he was walking in the middle of the street. what is the latest? what is happening with that case? >> yes, well they have retained an attorney, and there is still an investigation, an internal investigation going on within the police department. and i have not heard anything other than that. that incident happened literally down the street from where i live. it did hit close to home. my heart goes out. i cry every time i see that video. i have to stop watching it because it tears me up. first of all, they were not jaywalking. they were walking down a pretty much deserted street. there were no sidewalk, as is the case with a lot of streets in my community. and there was a lot of overgrown and brush. so when a car would come, you would step to the side. but they were walk do you think the street facing traffic on the left-hand side of the street. so that's not jaywalking.

this is a task force. it's called a gay unit. and they have a program that they call task force tuesdays where they go out and just stop people. they figure out a reason, a justified reason, in this case jaywalking to stop people in the community, whether it's black teenagers or black men and search them for guns. and they justify this by saying oh, we're trying to get guns off the streets. and so they have to look for a reason to stop someone and engage with him. and in my opinion, you are violating their rights. if they choose to engage with you, you pull up and they want to talk to you, so be it. clearly, these young men did not want to talk to him. and they don't have any responsibility to have to talk to them or engage with them. and so they should have been left alone. >> tulsa councilwoman vanessa hull harper, thanks for taking the time to talk with us. good luck with the president's visit. we do appreciate you coming on. >> thank you. >> i want to bring in my panel.

joining me is "new york times" white house correspondent and msnbc contributor annie karni. derrick johnson is the naacp president and ceo. derrick, what was your reaction when you saw that the president moved the tulsa rally date?>> y an indication that he had very little input from african americans in his cabinet. it's a reflection of the lack of diversity of those who are advising him. quite frankly, i think he is completely tone deaf to not only the history of the surrounding the plight of african americans, he is tone deaf to the african american community. him moving in one day, again juneteenth is celebrated often the weekend. this show is another example that this administration simply has lack of leadership to lead all of the americans. and he has a really created the dynamics that we're looking at across the country as it relates

to race relation and has uncovered race rallieses that has existed in this country for far too long. annie, you saw wh president said on twitter, that he had african american friends who kind of let him see this wasn't a good idea. but how much have you heard about what was going on inside the white house, inside the reelect? >> well, first of all, i think it's worth noting that this seemed to his his own campaign adviser by surprise. less than four hours before he tweeted that he was moving the rally last night, brad parscale, his campaign manager was bragging how they already had 300,000 asvps for the juneteenth event. once the president tweeted it, his campaign aides were scrambling, and we saw them tweeting out last night signups for event that still had the juneteenth date on it. so no one was prepared for a roll-out of a new date when he announced this last night.

and i think we have to remember, though, this was changed after two days of intense public criticism. and it is a very rare caving on the president's part. the campaign was all set in double down mode, trying own, trying to say we knew. it's not clear that they knew about this important anniversary when they chose it, but they tried to own it. and i think the pressure for him to change it i don't think came from within his west wing. it came from people, outside allies and friends and watching the coverage and realizing that he is losing and this was not going to help him. >> derrick, this move, whatever the motivation still leaves was a series of fax. since george floyd's killing, trump has given no unifying address on race. there has been no concrete decision on police reform, although he said it was coming. and now after he widely praised

the secret service for its role in clearing lafayette park for a photo op, the admission this afternoon that in spite of what was first said, pepper spray was used against peaceful protesters. are you concerned that as some states, cities and departments around the country are actually making reform moves, they're changing things, the white house will block real reform on a federal level? >> you know, we need leadership at this time. we need leadership coming from an administration who understands the cry of the citizens across the country. as you look at the protester, it's black, it's white, it's young, old, we're all fed up with the environment that we currently find ourselves in. and this lack of leadership, whether it's the pandemic, a national pandemic that's not being federal leadership, whether it's protesters in the street of national call for police reform that's lacking a federal response, whether it's the questioning, though, the

awakening of this country to know that structural racism is real, national corporations across the country are saying the same thing. we're lacking a federal response to address the current environment. we are fed up with this administration three and a half years into it that for some of us it is now time for us to move from protests to the voting polls in november. that's the only way we're going address this issue. we're not partisan, but it's clear. we need national leadership to address these problems, and we are lacking that type of leadership from this administration. >> in the meantime, we are as i mentioned seeing moves. we just in the last hour heard from reverend al who was there when governor cuomo of new york made some pretty sweeping moves. the two of them have not always been on the same page, but in this case reverend al said this is something remarkable to see. and then we saw what keshia lance bottoms just did, moving so quickly to take action

following the death of 27-year-old rayshard brooks in atlanta after he had been sleeping in a wendy's. i want to get your reaction, if you've had a chance to see the videos to that incident and the swiftness with which there seems on the action. >> it's called leadership. it's called leadership on the part of the mayor. same type of leadership we see in minneapolis with the police chief. the type of leadership we're witnessing in new york with governor cuomo and reverend al sharpton. you know, you don't have to agree with everything, but when you have the moment to lead, to give people hope, to be clear, you have to step in that moment. that is to all of us who carry title. we're not seeing that leadership coming from the white house. and that's what this nation so desperately needs at this moment. >> any -- when we look at what the president wanted to run on, what he wanted to run for reelection on, which of course is the economy.

and we see actually what's happening now, and you mention that brad parscale and his scampaign seem to be taken aback by the quick changes. not that that's anything new. certainly the white house and his campaign have often not been given a heads-up about his decision to tweet something or another. but take us to the extent you can inside the campaign and how this moment is either changing how they're looking at november or is it not? >> well, i think what's really reared its head over the past week is that the country is changing rapidly. parts of the trump base are changing rapidly. mitch mcconnell and other republicans are making statements understanding the protesters, talking about this country's original sin of slavery. and the president is not changing. he is exactly where he was. and he always -- in addition to running on the economy and another piece of what he always has run on is culture wars.

but this is not the culture war. this is the culture war where he is finding himself alone on a side where the whole country and moved and he doesn't appear to have moved and sunday that this isn't all in reaction to him or about him, and that he's kind of on an island right now. >> annie car inie karni, derric, thanks. supporters of the defund the police movement take to the streets. we have a live report just ahead. i'll also talk to congresswoman robin kelly about what democrats in the house hope to get and what they're willing to accept when it comes to police reform. we'll be right back. back.

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demanding that money be reallocated away from police departments and put towards social services. protesters are also calling for plans to reexamine the role that law enforcement plays in our society overall. new york state is now tying state funding of police departments to a redesign of the force city by city. others around the country are calling for the abolition of police forces all together. m maura barrett is on the ground in philadelphia. how does the tone of today's demonstrations compare to those we've seen over the last couple of weeks since george floyd's death, and what are you hearing? >> chris, two weeks ago here in philadelphia, there was few dis of violence and unrest. a lot of damage to local businesses. but since then, there have been multiple protests a day. all have been largely peaceful. and they're focusing on getting justice for george floyd and breonna taylor over the past couple of weeks. and now we're focusing on defunding the police. and when i spoke to protester here is to try the get an understanding of what exactly that means to them, it's the

reallocation of funds. there were a select few signs where we saw abolish the police or demilitarize the police. but most protesters which us talking to, they were looking at that reallocation. i spoke with adam. he used to work in juvenile services and has been very disappointed in the police's role here in philadelphia. take a listen to what he told me he is looking for. >> at a minimum, the $170 million that have been increased to the philadelphia police department needs to be reallocated to community services, increasing public health, education, basic infrastructure, and a de-escalation and a reform of a philadelphia police department at a minimum. the police academy should be abolished and restarted. they don't listen to our phone calls. they don't listen to our emails. we need more civic actions. we need public action in the street. >> and that public voice, the need for getting out and continuing to protest is something that other protesters told me today they said they can't let this moment pass. they're tired of seeing video

after video and #s and then seeing people move on. they want to keep the momentum and the focus on protests now and getting that change to happen, which is why they continue to come out day after day in order to call to action those demands that they're looking for. chris? >> maura barrett in philadelphia for us, thanks, maura. appreciate it. well, the pressure from the continuing protests that have translated into real change at the local and state levels we've seen bans on chokeholds, tear gas. and in louisville, kentucky where emt breonna taylor was killed in her own home, a ban on no-knock warrants. but there has also been plenty of pushback. minnesota's senate republicans have vowed to block the sweeping police reform package endorsed by democrats and the governor of the state where george floyd was killed. and expect a fight for the justice in policing act which was unveiled by house democrats earlier this week, especially around the idea of qualified immunity for police. joining me now is one of the co-sponsors of that bill,

illinois congresswoman robin kelly. it's so good to have you here, because the conversation is so important right now. >> thank you for having me. >> give me a real-time assessment. where are you with this bill, not just in the house, but obviously on issues that could become law, if you can get the senate on board? where are you right now? >> well, as you said, i'm a co-sponsor of the bill, and those that worked on the bill, we have spoken to democrats and republicans also, supposedly there is a senate republican bill. i have not seen it. and supposedly there is a republican house bill also. but we're going push for this bill to pass. >> senator tim scott, who is leading the republican effort on criminal justice reform said just today qualified immunity is a non-starter. he has also said he opposed a ban on chokeholds in all circumstances on no-knock warrants in drug cases. so if that's the case, if that's their starting point, where does that leave you?

>> we know nothing is easy when we pass things in the house. we know we always have a struggle getting it to pass in the senate. but that doesn't mean we're not going try. we are listening to the people. this is what the public wants, as you just reported on television. so we actually need the public to speak up to call their senators to talk to them about what's important to them. but we're still going to push this. we're still going to do everything we can to see that this bill passes in the house and the senate. >> that's one of the things that i heard in the time that i was out. we continue to hear from protesters who are out there on the streets now. third straight weekend, every day since these began, we've seen thousands of people on the streets all across the country. how do you -- obviously, you tell them to call their senator, call their representatives. how do you galvanize that kind of support and turn it into something that really does look like what for you and the other democrats amounts to real change?

>> really, i give credit to the public. they are galvanized. what happened to mr. floyd and breonna galvanized the public. that's why they have protested all over this country every single day. it is truly amazing. and just letting them know to call, to write, and also to vote. we want changes, we have to change who is sitting in those seats. >> there is also another major story that's out there, and that of course is the coronavirus pandemic. you and cory booker have been working together on something to deal with what is the clear racial disparity here. tell us about the work that you're doing there. >> well, we've done a lot of work actually to get the racial data collected and the cdc to report it. but what we're trying to do is give money to the ground level, because people listen to people from the neighborhoods. people that look like them.

and we're trying to get money to the local organizations to help with the areas that have been disproportionately affected by covid, which are the black and brown areas across or communities across this country and indian country also. so we're trying to push the money to the local level so we can have help from local folks and community people to help with this covid virus. >> as you know, the president has decided that he's going to start holding rallies again. it's not clear that there is going to be any requirement that people wear masks. we just heard from anthony fauci that any kind of large gathering like that, particularly indoors is not a good idea that it just is sort of a recipe for spreading the virus. and yet the fact is that his -- he's made clear, his campaign has made clear, they're going to continue doing these kinds of rallies. we're going continue to see as we hear from the biden campaign,

they're going to be much more cautious. they're going to follow cdc guidelines. i wonder if you have any concern at all that that puts joe biden at a disadvantage, or do you think it actually works in his favor? >> i would think it works in his favor that he is being smart and that he is putting the country and people before having rallied. the president does this for his ego. he's not thinking about the people that he's supposed to represent. he is not showing any leadership. it's all about his ego and what's good for him. >> congresswoman robin kelly, appreciate you being with ounce this saturday. thank you. >> thank you. and up next, more on the breaking news out of atlanta where the police chief has abruptly resigned following the fatal shooting of a man in a wendy's parking lot. we'll have the very latest when we come back. open road and telling people that liberty mutual customizes your insurance, so you only pay for what you need! [squawks]

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the confederate south. so happy to have you here. you know the extensive back ground behind this film. first, what was your reaction to hbo max temporarily pulling it from their streaming library. >> i was actually surprised they even included it in its initial roster. i wasn't quite sure that would be the type of film to move on to a streaming service. but when the controversy hit, i think there was -- it was right to be sensitive to the nature of it and also, you know, a few hours or a day later, you know, right to decide, oh, let's not just pull it, let's explain this, let's explore this and give it proper context. >> help us to understand the background of the making of "gone with the wind." this is real-- what did you leat

the producer when it comes to slavery in the south and this film? >> well, i learned that he was probably schooled the way most americans were schooled then and now, to not really understand the history of slavery, the history of construction. he had no problem swallowing hook, line and sinker the fixture and romance for the south that hitmitchell included her book. it was due to the activists of the day, especially walter white of the naacp to lobby him to perhaps not make the film, which is quite a request, but to understand what kind of history he was presenting and to at least try some measures to be historically accurate. >> so if let's say it comes back on hbo max and there is some sort of explanation. what would you think is important for people to know about this film if they're going to watch it and understand really what the depictions are

and what is not accurate here? >> well, i mean, i think that the larger question about this film is not just about the racist depiction of blacks, the depiction of the confederacy, but also the luore about hollywood, especially back then. it's not understood how segregated hollywood was. it's not known that the studio lots and sets were segregated. so there's a lot of history about our culture, things that have trickled down to this day that we don't know about. the censorship codes that blacks were not allowed to talk back to whites, that non-whites were to be depicted as inferior. it's a lot about the culture of the film and the film industry as well that would benefit from really exploring that era.

>> there's so much more i'd love to talk with you about if we had time. maybe you'll come back. there's a second part of this obviously that is about hiring more people of color, hiring more black whi writers, directo more black actors. perhaps that a conversation that we can have at another time. thank you for being with us. >> i'd absolutely love to. thank you so. thank you. >> that's going to wrap up this hour for me. i'm chris jansing. thank you so much for watching. i'll see you right back here tomorrow, 6 p.m. eastern. the news will continue with my colleague, ali velshi. have a great night. lleague, ali. have a great night when considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz xr, a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis or active psoriatic arthritis for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. it can reduce pain, swelling, and significantly improve physical function. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections like tb;

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good evening. i'm ali velshi. we begin with break news. atlanta's police chief, erica shields, is stepping down after a deadly officer shooting was caught on camera. here is some cell phone video of the incident. it is disturbing. police say they were responding to a report of a man asleep in his car blocking other drivers. atlanta police say brooks failed a sobriety test on the spot, resisted arrest and apparently got hold of an officer's taser. the video shows brooks running away before you can hear shots fired. today the georgia bureau of investigation released surveillance video that continues to show the incide