reasons for someone running from the police, right? just imagine that if you are sleeping in your car because you are trying to drink something off and you get officers knocking on your window hard. right? the current climate of police officer and blake male interaction is not the best. right? so that might scare you at that time of night. goechk. i'm joshua johnson at nbc world headquarters in new york. we are watching a news conference of the attorneys of the family of rayshard brooks, the 27-year-old black man who was shot and killed by officers last night in a fast-food restaurant drivethrough line. let's listen. >> getting away from a situation that could be detrimental to you also turned into another situation that was detrimental to you. it is a no-win situation. you can't get out of it. that's probably what happened,

but like i said, we can't speak to it. >> i always try to lock at it from these situations the lock at was it justified for the officer? i don't want to ever look at something totally unfairly. there is no excuse in this one. if they had maybe shot while the tussle was going on and they said oh, he reaped for my gun. that's normally how these happen, they are rolling around on the ground and there is a fight for the gun and hen they shoot right then. that's not what happened. if this would have happened when they are rolling on the ground and you hear someone say "gun", "he's reaching for my gun" and there was a shot right then. okay. no, they waited until he ran off. so their justification went out the door after they let him run. >> we have also got to check on the emotional state of these

officers. i mean, because it gets personal. you know? and this is a ching when you are in the field. and we understand that this, that it is a personal thing. it gets personal to them. but as the professional in this situation they have to divorce themselves from the emotional aspect of that job. if you don't, someone can die, like we saw today -- or like we saw with that officer and george floyd. it can get personal. we understand there is combat. there are big guys wrestling and fighting, but at a certain point the professional in you has to come out and you have to calm down and be the professional and show that you have training, which hasn't happened and definitely didn't happen last night. >> what more details about mr. brooks [ inaudible question ]. >> father. he was working at a tortilla place, actually. family loved him to death. we have more family members at that house today than i could count.

a ton of brothers and sisters that love him more than life. >> he was supposed to take his daughter skating today. >> yeah. >> for her birthday. >> it's just -- and i am sick of sitting in somebody's house and their little kid is playing with us, and we are sitting there trying to laugh with a 1-year-old or a 2-year-old or an 8-year-old knowing, you know, that they will never see their dad again. i am literally sick of it. >> she had on -- when we were there today she had her birthday dress on because she was waiting for her dad to come pick her up to take her to go skating. yesterday, her and her dad went and she got her nails done and her toes done. they got something to eat. and today she was waiting on that. while we were there, they had a birthday party for her. you for example today, there was a birthday. yeah, a birthday today, with cup

cakes, while we were sitting there talking to her mom about why her dad is not coming home. that's the part of it that we see every day that everybody doesn't see. and that's the part that just -- it hits. it hits you right here. it is terrible. >> when you think of walter scott and you think of five years ago -- a little over five years ago stereo that's what this is. >> 20 years, 20 years for killing a man. what do you say about that? >> that's literally the case that popped to my mind the whole time i was sitting there today. justin and i talked about it. is it is just like walter scott. you know, people forgot about that case because it has been so long. it was so horrific. they said the same thing. oh, he took my taser and i shot him while we were wrestling for the taser. then once we gatt our hands on the video we saw that they shot him in the back 30 yards away. and in that case, they tried the whole taser could have killed me

with a taser argument, and it didn't work. so it literally brings back memories of walter scott. even watching him get shot in the back just like walter scott. and then it is really horrible hearing the witnesses say that they were picking up shell casings or tampering with the scene or whatever they were doing. because that happened with walter scott. the officer went and threw the taser close to the dead body. so it's just horrible to be reliving the walter scott case again. >> and one thing we want to make sure people know, we don't think this is -- you know, these are one offs. we know they are not. we are seeing them more and more. it is not because society isset didding worse. it is because technology is getting better. there are more cameras everywhere. so we are seeing more of this stuff. but it is the same stuff that has been happening. the difference is, you can't lie

in our report because there is a camera that's going get you. you can't make up some story because there is a camera that's going to get you. you can't make up a story, tamper with the evidence because there is a camera that's going to get you. we saw what happened last night. we saw it -- while mr. brooks was not perfect. i mean, he could have done a couple of things, too. we are not saying he couldn't have. but the officer had the last best chance to stop that from happening. he had the most training to stop that from happening. he didn't do that, and that resulted in our client's death. >> were any of the witnesses able to tell you about what led to the struggle, what was said in the car? >> they are confused because they thought that the conversation appeared civil or decent. they didn't, you know, see him screaming that the cops were doing anything. then out of the blue they said they just tried to arrest him and of course he got upset and pulled away like why? what are you y'all doing? and that then it went from there. that's -- i see it too many

times. if you are not going to explain why you are going to arrest somebody -- i am not -- why am i getting arrested? i can ask what's going on. why can't you have a conversation with them about why he's being arrested? >> you said the witness told you he was dragged out of the car? >> no, they were speaking outside of the vehicle from what they said. so he willingly got out. like i said, this just happened yesterday. we are still talking to people. but everyone witness, white, black, they are blown away because they said it -- like it should not have happened and that there was no reason for him to shoot him while he was running off. this wasn't a violent crime. they had his id. they knew where he lived. they knew what kind of car -- they have the car. you know? like where is he going? just because the value of life

is gone somewhere. it's like a video game where you just think you shoot somebody and it's not an actual father or a human being. i'm just starting to lose faith. >> i have known you for years. i have never seen you like this. i know you are tired, you are sad, you are mad. i don't want to speak for you, but you are still ready to fight for justice. >> yeah. oh, no. i mean that's never -- that's not going to change. we will keep fighting these as long as we have to making sure people get fired or resign or whatever. or get put in jail because i mean, we have to do our parts to try to make it stop. but the one thing that justin and i are realizing it is a national effort. black, white, male, female, the only way this is going to change is if everybody keeps coming together. people who are conservative and don't want to speak up, you have got to speak up.

>> is it time to overhaul training yowl together? it seems [ indiscernible ] . >> yeah, well -- >> is it the nature of training or -- >> chris, we covered a million of these. we know there are so many loopholes. there is no clear time of when to shoot or not to shoot. it is always in the mind of that officer. sometimes the mental state of that officer is not okay. they are not well. they are too angry, too upset. you cannot shoot someone unless they are pointing a gun at you or unless they are brandishing a gun. you can't shoot them. you can't shoot them if they have a taser, if they have a knife and they are 50 feet away. you go to jail. there are rules like that. lawyers have rules. doctors have definite rules. you can't leave something in somebody's body. but with a police officer there is so much gray area when being

a police officer in the most powerful job this this country. there is no other job where you can take someone's life, liberty, or freedom. you just -- you just -- there is no job that is as powerful as a police officer. they should be up on the standard of doctors and lawyers and looked at like that. but they are not. and that's got to change. >> to the training question you just asked, it does need to be i don't have hauled. would need to focus more on deescalation and less on militarization. the police officers, they walk around in these neighborhoods. they have flak jackets on. some of them from ars and other assault-type rifles. they are armed to the t and then they are walking around people intimidating and inciting fear. there used to be a time when police officers would walk around and you would know their name, they would know your name, where you went to school and your mom and all that kinds of stuff. that time is over. especially in the black community.

i don't really remember a time that that hadn't been the time in the black community. now that time is completely over. we need to focus more on deescalation. and if officers are going to be in the community check and see how close these officers lived to that community that they were policing. i guarantee they lived nowhere near there. if they did, did they go to church there, did their kids go to school in that community? i guarantee the answer is no because if they did they would understand that hey these are people too and maybe i can deal with them the same way i deal with people who live close to me. that has a lot to do with empathy like i said before and training for deescalation and not militarization. >> next week we will be releasing our thoughts and ideas over what changes we think could end this from having handled so many of these. something's got happen other

than just lawsuits and asking for arrests. thank you all. the family will be speaking on monday. they needed some time. thank you you will. -- thank you all. so ends the news conference with the attorneys representing the family of rayshard brooks a 27-year-old man killed in the parking lot of a wendy's fast-food restaurant by an atlanta police officer. they are preparing to press charges on behalf of the family. they say that they will release more of their thoughts about what should be done in terms of improving policing. quite a bit of what we heard this evening was not just about the case. this extant situation, but about the larger implications of officer-involved shootings. you heard one of the attorneys, l. chris stewart refer to the case of walter scott in south carolina, a man who was shot while running away from a white officer. the officer claimed that he feared that his taser could become a deadly weapon in that

encounter. but you just heard one of the attorneys say in georgia tasers are not considered deadly weapons in the sense of justifying the use of deadly force. that will certainly comie up in this matter. they also had a lot to say about the nature of what has happened so far in atlanta. l. chris stewart was asked about his thoughts about atlanta's police chief resigning today. he said, quote, i don't care. he later said about the situation of black men being shot by officers, quote, i am starting to lose faith. a lot of what we are hearing this evening had to do with that loss of faith. yes, they will prosecute this case on behalf of the family. in addition they will also be making their own suggestions what needs to be done more systemically to deal with police-involved shootings. this is also the law firm that is representing the family of ahmaud arbery. this is also the law firm involved in the case of alton sterling.

so they have probably seen more of these case asks consoled more black mothers and tried to talk about more small children who do not know their fathers are dead yet than they probably care to recall. they mentioned this evening they spent some time with mr. brooks's family and his daughter, who is turning 8, did not yet know that her father had been killed. there were still cup cakes out from where they had celebrated her birthday. the story is moving very, very fast at a time when the nation is demanding fast changes with regards to how law enforcement works. as we mentioned earlier this evening, atlanta's mayor keisha lance bottoms did announce that chief erika shields did resign. >> the chief has been a solid member of apd for over two decades and has a deep and abiding love for the people of atlanta. because of her desire that atlanta be a model of what meaningful reform should look

like across this country, chief shields has offered to immediately step aside as police chief so that the city may move forward with urgency in rebuilding the trust so desperately needed throughout our communities. >> now all of this comes after this incident involving rayshard brooks. officers responded to that wendy's after brooks supposedly fell asleep in the drivethrough line. for those of you who are just getting caught up on the narrative here's what we have been told so far. the georgia bureau of investigation says that this 27-year-old man failed a field sobriety test. you are looking at cell phone video taken by one of the many people in the wendy's parking lot nearby. officers tried to arrest him. he apparently resisted. then we are told mr. brooks grabbed one of the officer's tasers and tried to run off. gbi state investigators say he

might have been trying to fire the taser when an officer shot him. rayshard brooks died at the hospital. as for chief shields, she had been with the apd for more than two decades. had he resignation reads in part out of a deep and abiding love for this city and this department i offed to step aside as police chief. she added, it is time for the city to move forward and build trust between law enforcement and the communities they serve, unquote. let's get to our panel. we are joined by marlon walker, rashad robinson, the president of color of change. and daniel moody, the host of woke af daily and the podcast democracyish. good to have you all with us. marlon, let me start with you. based on the news we just heard, first i hope you were listening along with us. if so, was there anything that

stood out to you? >> the fact that they immediately said there was no field sobriety test. that was one thing that came up during this afternoon's georgia bureau of investigation's press conference. i found it interesting that that would come up during the conversation this evening. >> with regards to the chief, marlon, the georgia naacp called for mayor bottoms to relieve chief shields of her duty. can you give us her back story, what her relationship had been with the city of atlanta, with residents, and her reputation within the department? >> sure. this is somebody who built her way through the ranks, started off as a beat cop. you know, endeared herself to the communities that she covered and was well-known and had a great reputation with the leadership here, the community leadership. and i think there is lot of shock because of this, because of her relationship that she had already built with the community at large.

>> rashad, what do you make of the speed with which all of this unfolded? you have the shooting that happens late last night. and then very quickly you have the two officers who have been taken off duty. the police chief has resigned. the case is moving forward. mayor keisha lance bottoms said she believes prosecution is in order. that to her eye it looks like something wrong happened that something wrong was done. rashad, what about the pace at which all of this has occurred? >> i think the pace represents the fact that they don't have answers anymore. we have been gas lit too long for all the sort of things, the excuses for why these situations continue to happen. the reforms around the edges that are coming that actually never work or can never possibly be implemented. the commands or the sort of racist responses that we get from police unions after these incidents happen. they have no responses. and it is a result of movements, of everyday people rising up all

around the country. it is the past seven years of movements of young black folks, powering a movement and changing the conversation, pushing for demand that once seemed impossible but now are on the table i think that those in power have recognized that all of the things that they continue to tell us simply don't pan out and they have got to start responding in new ways or else we are going to come for their jobs. >> we should note, rashad and i want to read something from our affiliate in atlanta wxia they have an article on their site that lays out what the use of force is. the manual says an employee may use deadly force when two circumstances are mechlt one, he or she reasonably believe has the suspect possess as deadly weapon or any object device or instrument when use against a person is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury, and two, when there is probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a

crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm and the employee reasonably believes the suspect's escape could result in serious bodily harm to another person. i that's a lot of word. rashad how does the policy strike you in comparison with other cases. >> the problem with the policy, it is a lot of words, but it never pans out. in new york city we had a policy of no choke holds. we saw on video what happened to eric garner. the fact of the matter is is that police are out of control. where police go we ends up getting more and more violence. it doesn't actually create more safety. and that is why we are making really deep demands around how we divest and invest in the things we know keep communities safe. because where there are a lot of police we end up not having a lot of safety. we ends up not having a lot of

strong quality of life. so that actually has to be the north star. and politicians can't continue to think they are going the implement these sort of weak policies that have a lot of words but at the end of the day don't play themselves out in actually holding police accountable to them and then play themselves and actually kinds of delivering justice once something is violated. >> danielle, we are told that we will be hearing from mr. brooks's family on monday. i wonder what your sense is of where we go from here. should this give people hope, the speed at which this is happening that the protests are having a real impact? or is it too soon to say? >> i'm with l. chris stewart where i am losing hope, right? i am not losing hope in the protests and the protesters because they are out in the streets and they have been out in the streets two weeks. but i am losing hope in the ability for the police to actually do the right thing and for us to be able to trust what it is that they say. what we have seen consistently

is that police lie. that police reports lie. and that the only thing that is accountable is having video. but how many video does we need to see? how many videos must black america be subjected to of watching our brothers and sisters be murdered in the street day after day after day before something is done? so the calls the defund the police, the calls the divest from the police and to put resources where they belong are necessary. because this is not just an incident that happened in atlanta. it is not just minneapolis. it's not just you know, ferguson. it is everywhere. the police brutality that we are seeing right now is endemic across the country. we need to ask ourselves why? why is it when we are calling police and we are calling them because we need safety that they show up and they shoot one. this was a drunk and disorderly phone call. how does rayshard end up dead? i don't understand that. yes, i hope that with the speed of this that we see some change.

but my god i don't know how much more we can take in the midst of a global pandemic on top of a racial pandemic. i don't know how much more people are able to stomach. >> we were looking earlier, a moment ago at some video of protests in atlanta year the area of where this wendy's restaurant was. to the best of our knowledge i should note these protests have been peaceful and there has been no word as far as i know of any incidents at this protests. this is south of downtown atlanta in a neighborhood called peoplestown. two and a half miles from tyler perry studios. five miles away from the airport. it is a neighborhood that has a historically black population that was by secretaried in part to build the highway that takes from you the airport to downtown atlanta. danielle let me stick with you for a moment and play a click from atlanta's mayor about the

shooting. and then i would like to get your reaction to it. listen. >> while there may be debate as to whether this was an appropriate use of deadly force, i firmly believe that there is a clear distinction between what you can do and what you should do. i do not believe that this was a justified use of deadly force and have called for the immediate termination of the officer. >> danielle, the choice of words, to me, was interesting. because even mr. stewart, one of the attorneys for the family, said that he could understand under certain different circumstances where shooting this man might have seemed more exapplicable, a little bit more defensible. >> here's the thing, is that it wasn't. right? and these police officers -- what we are seeing and what we continue to hear is that i feared for my life. and then we see video of another black man, another black person,

being shot in the back. the man had a taser. and it was probably evident that maybe he was drunk. he was scared. we're coming off of ahmaud arbery, breonna taylor and george floyd, right? like, if i am a black man and police are knocking on my window -- if i'm me and police are knocking on my window i am terrified in that moment, right? i may run. my fight or flight mode is going. the mayor is absolutely right. there was no reason to shoot him. they should have ran him down right? you want to step him, run him down. police need a better way than pulling the trigger. they need to learn deescalation skills. they need to learn something he will. if you are in fear of your job, afraid of black people then this is not the profession you should be in. i am tired of hearing that over and over and over again. >> we are speaking to danielle moody of the podcast democracyish, rashad robinson of color of change and marlon

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it has been another day of protests in atlanta not just over the case of george floyd but over yet another case of a police-involved shooting that's raising a lot of questions. let's bring another voice into our conversation. joining us now is democratic congressman al green of texas. his district includes houston and the suburbs southwest of the city. congressman, good evening. >> good evening. >> i know it's early in our

understanding of this case. i don't want to force you to speak outside of your knowledge but what some your initial impression in the matter of rayshard brooks and the atlanta pd? >> thank you for giving me the opportunity. let me first say that my prayers and my simple these are with the family. i would like to say his name. rayshard brooks, his name will be added to a long list of citizens who w.h.o. died under suspicious circumstances. i have been an advocate, justice of a court. i am a lawyer. my visceral thoughts are that i should not allow my eyes to deceive me. there are times when we really should rely on what we see. we have to thank god for cameras. because the story wouldn't be the same, but for cameras. when you see a person fleeing --

i do understand that there was a fight an altercation, i do understand that there may have been an assault, but he's fleeing. is it necessary to use deadly force to stop a person who is fleeing and he does not have in his hand a deadly force device? a taser is not considered a deadly force weapon. so he's fleeing. is it necessary to kill him with this circumstance? i would also add this. i truly regret that black lives do not matter to the same extent as white lives. this is just the case. if black lives mattered the same as white lives we would have ahmaud still alive. we would have mr. floyd still alive. and ms. taylor would still be

alive. black lives just don't matter as much as white lives. and this is something that can only be cured by quick reactions from mayors such as what the mayor of atlanta has done. she's done the right thing. and also, we have to have speedy arrests and speedy trials. this will help. but in the long run, we will have to reconcile. we have not reconciled our differences in this country. we are still in a state of amnesty at best wherein we are still trying to determine what our status is in this country. we ought to at some point reconcile. this is why i have introduced legislation to have a department of reconciliation with a secretary of reconciliation that reports to the president of the united states whose job it will be to develop a strategy and implement the strategy to

eliminate racism and discrimination in this country. >> let me ask you about that. i do want to ask you about the department of wreck selliation, a cabinet-level post. i wonder if in light of what we are dealing with tonight and what we have been dealing with since memorial day when george floyd was shot if we are ready to reconcile. i don't know how to reconcile with you if you will not acknowledge your fault or your complicity. how do we know when the time is right for such a process, especially because black folk in atlanta now have something else that needs reconciliation? >> thank you for the question, mr. johnson. we should have started reconciliation on january 1st of 1863 when the emancipation proclamation was presented by the president -- one of the great presidents, lincoln. we should have started then. we did not.

it is past time for us to start reconciliation. a part of the reconciliation process is what you just said, having these discussions about why we are where we are. it is important for people to talk and talk to each other. if we don't start the process, we will never get to a point wherein we will move forward with some additional aspects of reconciliation which have to do with redress. there has to be some redress. we have survived slavery. we survived the black colds. we survived conflict leasing. we survived segregation. but we have not reconciled. it is time for us to start that process. and there is no better place to start than having a secretary of reconciliation whose job it will be to push the process forward. we have to start there. >> in your announcement proposing this department of reconciliation you invoked

president lyndon johnson who declared war on poverty in 1964. you wrote that you wanted to ease what you called the symptoms of racism but also cure it and prevent it. that's an extremely tall order. what makes you believe that racism can be cured, especially in america in 2020? >> you you have this lofty goals, mr. johnson. your goals should seek to achieve the ideal. in this country, we want goals such as liberty and justice for all. that's a great ideal. we believe that great ideals will cause us to accomplish great things. when president lindyndon johnso declared the war on poverty that was what he had as his aim, to eliminate and prevent poverty. we have not eliminated it and we are not preventing all of it. we prevent some of it. but that was the goal. and out of that effort we

received an expansion of social security. we got medicaid. we have medicare. we have headstart. all of these things came out of the war on poverty. we need a war on racism. and invidious discrimination in all of its forms. all of the invidious phobias we have got to fight them. we have got to fight anti-semitism. we have got to fight all of the things that separate us because of who we happen to be and we have not committed any crime. this is the time for us to start with the department. i am going to push it. my hope is that democrats will support it and republicans will support it. we have some good support thus far. but whether people support it or not, we have to do the right thing. we did the right thing when we brought articles of impeachment to the floor of the congress for a vote. i am going to push this. i may not get a vote but you will know who is on this legislation when it is developed. right now we have a resolution. and you will know who is on the

resolution. i am going to call it like it is. i am going to tell who the people are. it is sometime for us to all stand up and be counted, mr. johnson, be counted. >> congressman al green of texas. congressman, i hear you in terms of our reach exceeding our grasp with this. thank you very much for speaking to news thank you for your voice. thank you. before we get to our next guest, could we go back to those live pictures, please, from atlanta that we were just taking a look at? you are looking at the wendy's at 125 university avenue in southwest atlanta where rayshard brooks was shot dead by an atlanta police officer. these are pictures from our affiliate wxia in atlanta. not far from here is interstate 85. it is just about a four mile drive from here into downtown atlanta. 2.5 miles as the crow blys we see i-75, i--85 highways are sht

down. all 14 lanes of the highway are shut down by atlanta protesters in the streets. let's continue our conversation with atf special agent in charge, jim cavanaugh. marq claxton who is also director of the black law enforcement alliance. marlon and rashad and danielle are back with us again. i wonder if we can begin with your thoughts on what is happening this evening, particularly the response from the city of atlanta. >> the response in the city of atlanta, you mean the mayor, is consistent with what we are living in, that is you know the minneapolis era, where the governmental response is much more -- is swift and much more

punitive toward law enforcement being held to a much higher standard. the response and the statements from the attorneys earlier was quite significant. their exas per rag and frustration you could hear in their voices was perfect in mirroring the entire community, the black and brown people about the processes that put us in this position to fall victim of repeat violence on a regular basis. i thought that was significant. and then the call for police to be more service oriented. we have to move away, shift away -- i agree with the attorneys. i agree with rashad speaking about this, i agree with jim cavanaugh's statement -- we have to shift away from the warrior mentality, the warrior mind-set and get to the point where we are guardians and protectors of people, where we provide services, and we are

multidisciplinarians and that's important moving forward. >> jim cavanaugh, speak on where this investigation might go from here. we have got georgia bureau of investigation that is looking into this police-involved shooting. what kinds of questions do you think need answering in the short-term? or perhaps some of the questions that are on your mind got answered in either the last few hours from what we heard from the attorneys for mr. brooks or have the city officials. we see now that some of the protesters are throwing something at one of the atlanta pd vehicles speeding down the university avenue area making its way back towards the wendy's. mr. cavanaugh, what are your thoughts on where the investigation heads from here? >> i am sorry to say that all of these police shootings that are obvious unjustify use of force, cold blooded murders, the minneapolis wasn't a shooting but cold blooded murder on video.

all of the justice moves way too slow for me. even mr. arbery's killing. i spent a lot of time in glenn county, georgia. i know the area well. when i was a young cop, mark will attest to the same thing, i had many street murders, bar murders, and i showed up on the street there was a man with a shotgun who had shot another man three times that man was unarmed, had committed no crime and i was the first deputy there, and i am not saying this is a fantasy. i have arrested people just like this with a double on the double yellow line of the highway. and i would arrest the shooter. i would put the gun in the trunk for evidence. he would go to central booking. the gun would go to evidence. and that would be the minimum, minimum response i would do. i would then tell the detectives and make sure everybody was interviewed. maybe i wouldn't get the father in the pickup truck, but i would at least get the shooter with a

unarmed man dead in the street who committed no crime. when a police chief sees mr. floyd's murder on a video for nine minutes, i just don't understand why the police chief doesn't call in the chief of homicide and the chief of internal affairs and says get me the witness statements, bring the officer down to the internal affairs office, prepare a complaint for a warrant that i as the chief will sign. he will be arrested for murder in an hour and put him in jail. we can't bring these men back from these awful killings. but why does justice always have to be delayed so much? i am not talking about a case where there is a question or there's a lot of unanswered questions or there is some dispute or debate. i understand that. that takes investigation. there is no debate on the murder of mr. floyd. there is no great investigation needed. he should have been booked within hours. so i am just -- all of these things go way too slow for me.

the fact that in the arbery case those men were freeh for months. that i think upsets every american, why is this happening? how is this going the change? i hear all the voices, we have called for this and everybody tinkers around the edges. i think they are right on that. i thinker with going to see seminole change. i don't understand why officers are doing these things. i think there is a real lack of training. i was a negotiator. i always liked to slow things down. i wanted to invest time in people. i would invest time in someone on the street if they wanted to argue. you couldn't always get everybody not to fight but many people you could. you could reason with them. and you could maybe slow things down. you can't do it with everybody but at least you have got to try. >> that's one of the points that we have heard made from the attorneys in this case and from attorneys on other case is why certain other deescalation tactics were not tried first. thank you all very much for

making time for us. we are continuing to watch the protests in atlanta that are beginning to pick up some speed. you can see there in the area of the wendy's that there are some folks throwing objects at the atlanta pd vehicles that are trying to get out of there. people are filling the parking lot of a bp gas station next to the wendy's. they are in the area of that station in the university avenue southwest in atlanta. another busy night in atlanta as if atlantans did not have enough to hit the streets about. now there is another case of a police-involved shooting that has many atlantans wondering which way the city is going. we will keep an eye on that and continue this conversation next.

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very parking lot of a wendy's by an atlanta police officer. the preliminary investigation suggests that the young man had taken a taser from one of the officers and was running away. surveillance video from the wendy's pointing that taser behind him. there is a flash. apparently, he fired it. and then, at some point, the officer pursuing him reached for his service weapon, fired, and shot mr. brooks, dead. what you are looking at now is the thoroughfare that gets you downtown atlanta to the airport. it's blocked off where protestors have blocked off all 14 lanes of one of the nation's very busiest, most congested highways, as part of a protest over the death of rashard brooks. we heard earlier tonight from attorneys for the family, who say they are going to be pushing aggressively against the notion that the taser that mr. brooks allegedly took from one of the officers was to be considered a deadly weapon.

they also said that the family will be speaking to the public probably on monday. as you can see, the wendy's where this happened is in a little trouble right now. structurally, a fire's been set outside. a firework or some other incendiary device, fire-producing device, was thrown inside the wendy's. it's unclear from this vantage point if something outside is on fire. police are in the area, but so far, we haven't heard of any clashes between the protestors and police. we did see mapictures of people throwing some kind of object at police cars, and the police cars leaving the scene quickly. we're showing somebody down there trying to shine a light, a laser light, into the windshield of the chopper that's trying to get pictures. highly dangerous to the people trying to get us these pictures but it's getting more dangerous

on the streets as well. but another emotional response to the case of a police-involved shooting, which currently has more questions than answers. this is the scene of protests against police brutality in the age of cable news and streaming television. a good night. not what we expected to be discussing with him. but it's a good night for us to have npr tv critic eric duggins with us. eric, good evening. >> good evening. >> what's on your mind, as we're looking at this coverage? >> well, you know, what strikes me about this is something that we've seen in past protests, as well, which is the diminishment of trust in law enforcement. in the past if there was trust between the community and law enforcement, when something like this happened where there was a struggle, a clear struggle, with someone and there was some intimatation that they might

have had a weapon or might have been dangerous, you might have had some breathing room. a couple days for police to gather forensic information, and present their case to the community, as to why they had to do what they did. but i think we're at a point, now, where people have lost their patience. they have lost their trust. they are not willing to wait and see what any investigation may bring. or what any additional video may show. and -- and -- and they don't trust that the police will be honest with them, when they do tell them what -- their side of what happened. and so, this is the problem when you have a system that doesn't hold bad police officers in check. people lose faith in the entire institution, and it loses its ability to enforce the law. because people don't trust that they'll be treated fairly. >> i keep hearing people or i've kept hearing people say once we had pictures of these officers, that things would begin to change. i think, to an extent, that's

true. partly, because of the ubilk wety of digital media. we even heard the director of the georgia bureau of investigation, this afternoon, say that the video from the wendy's parking lot was going to be released lickety-split. and sure enough, they released it quickly. on that video, you can see other patrons in line at the drive through when the shot is fired, pull out of line, and grab their phones and immediately start taping what they saw. kind of -- kind of fearlessly, they just jumped out. kept their distance but -- but kept rolling. this is a very different kind of engagement with policing, with law enforcement, with concerns about police brutality, eric, than i think we've really ever seen. >> i think this is a dynamic that's been building, over several years. certainly, since michael brown was gunned down in ferguson.

we've seen video of philan philando castile. we've seen the video of george floyd. we've seen, even the video that chris cooper talk in central park. when he was trying to get a white woman to leash her dog, and she threatened to call the police. people have seen so many instances where citizen-rendered video has either proven their case. or, in some cases, maybe saved their life. that i think people have realized that it's a reflex they need to develop. and when they see law enforcement employing deadly force or involved in a struggle or cracking down, in some way, one of the reflexes, now, is to reach out. grab your phone. and start documenting what's happening. because we've seen so many instances where it's the only way that people can prove that their version of what happened is the truth, compared to what law enforcement may try to tell the community. >> as we're looking at these

pictures from wxia tv in atlanta, you can see there are more law enforcement officers showing up on the i-75/i-85 that leads between downtown atlanta and the airport. looks like they are making another perimeter along the highway. all 14 lanes of this highway are closed down, with the protest in response to the shooting of rashard brooks. eric dugens, thank you for making time for us. keep an eye on this story, we will update you through gnthe night as necessary. and i will see you tomorrow. until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. stay safe. stay sharp. and, yes, despite what you a're seeing, we will get through this. good night. will get through this good night is all the difference in the world. the lexus es. a product of mastery. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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