it has happened again. the latest on another police killing. new video released overnight detailing the incident as it unfolded. new today, the secret service

answer as key question on what happened when they helped clear lafayette square in d.c. just before the president's church photo op. the president's tulsa rally. one event remain as mystery and officials are not commenting on it. new word from anthony fauci about the prospect of a second wave of covid-19. will it happen. a very good morning to all of you. it is sunday, june 14th, i'm alex witt. new video of the moment before this man, rayshard brooks, was shot by atlanta police friday night in a wendy's parking lot. this is new video of what that scene looks like this morning and here's a warning for all of you. some may find the next images disturbing. >> i think you've had too much to drink. put your hands behind your back

for me. put your hands behind your back. >> what you see is a combination of things. police bodycam video. attempting to handcuff brooks. and this video from a police dashboard camera showing the scuffle that ensued and all three men rolling around on the ground for a few minutes before brooks eventually gets up. grabs an officer's taser, you see it in her hands and then you hear the shots. then brooks running away with the taser. stop it there before he was shot and falls to the ground. here's the attorney representing the brooks family. >> in georgia, a taser is not a deadly weapon. that's the law. that's what the cops are trained to do. it's not a deadly weapon. you can't say he ran off with a web than could kill somebody when you say it's not deadly. he had other options than shoot ag man in the back.

and we don't want to hear, oh, he pointed it backwards because it's not a deadly weapon according to police officers in case law. he wasn't close enough to harm you with it. you could have run him down but instead he got bullets in the back. we talked to witnesses today who said that the officers went and put on plastic gloves and picked up their shell casings after they killed him. before rendering aid. we counted 2:16 before they even checked his pulse. >> atlanta protesters out again last night. this time calling for justice for rayshard brooks and that wendy's outlet where brooks was shot, you see it there. set on fire last night. also fires at a nearby dumpster burned into the early morning hours. police officer garrett rolfe on the left here, you heard his voice on the bodycam video has been fired. devin bronsan on right the other

officer in the dashcam video placed on administrative duty. so joining me right now is political analyst host of the rashard ritchie morning show. rashard, welcome to you. when you heard about this incident, what was the first thought? >> here we go again. it was not a shock to me, because the culture of policing has not transformed. until we reimagine what policing is and what policing means, these incidents will continue to occur. it is unfortunate. it is avoidable, but until the politicians and policymakers get it, this will happen, because obviously, the culture of policing is so extreme that -- that a man who was being arrested for a dui and tried to flee according to them should be dead. >> hmm. are you surprised, though, how

quickly -- look what happened. atlanta police released all bodycam, dashcam video. why did that happen so quickly? and is there a thought maybe from the police perspective that it will help exonerate the officers? >> well, we've seen this happen before where footage comes out pretty quickly as an attempt to protect the officer, but i will tell us this. the reason why in atlanta you're seeing a new norm as far as cops being held accountable, to being fired, some even arrested. a few days adistrict attorney arrest six officers. that's happening because of the civil unrest, because of the global protests. that would not happen under any other condition. once again, this is the expression of community. this is part of the process of transforming what it means to hold cops accountable. people are not just upset because cops do bad things. they are upset also because cops tend to get away with doing bad

things, and until you stop that part, you will still have these protests. >> okay. as you look at this video, rashard, where did the police go wrong in this shooting and what could they have done to de-escalate it? >> let's look at what really happened. this guy was being arrested for a dui. the most common arrest in america. it's a dui. >> right. >> he was being arrested for a non-violent offense. they already had his information. they had his license. they already did a background check. they knew who he was. >> in other words, if he'd run away, they could have just -- you know, actually maybe beat him to his home, right? said, hi. we're here. get back in the police car. you've got to be arrested for dui. right? this did not rise to the level of having to shoot him. >> exactly. they didn't even have to chase him anymore. set a perimeter, search for him. got helicopters at your disposal. we're in the middle of not only a global pandemic, we're in the

middle of a racial pandemic as well. there were other non-lethal ways to handle this, by defense a tase sir not a lethal weapon. they can't argue somehow they thought the taser was lethal weapon and already searched the man and can't make the argument they thought he may have had another weapon on him. >> rashard, stay with me as i bring in msnbc's blaine alexander up covering the story all night and doing a darn good job doing that. were you there in front of that burned out wendy's. what did you witness and hear from people, protesters, people saying this has gone too far? >> reporter: alex, let me set the scene now. good morning. you can see now this is the aftermath of what happened last night. i don't know if you can see from this vantage point but parts of this building are actually still smoldering behind us even through my mask i can smell that thick scent of smoke in the air. really a strong and tangible reminder of the unrest that took place. people filled these streets

until well into the night and morning. atlanta police made a number of arrests overnight but i kind of want to talk to you about exactly what protesters were saying and concern and frustration a number of people have been expressing out here. we saw protesters filling the highway here in atlanta. the 75, 85 highway, one of the main arteries, really. protesters filled that and blocked traffic for the better part of an hour last night, and that was before we saw what we saw here at this wendy's. one thing that's very notable about all of this, alex, there are a number of different camera angles that show what happened. what unfolded in this parking lot friday night. you've got the eyewitness video, surveillance video released by the georgia bureau of investigation and then late last night we saw police bodycam ra video and dash camera video. two sets there. four additional pieces of video showing exactly what unfolded.

remarkable. as you know in cases like this there typically aren't as many different viewpoints, vantage points. when i went through the video i have to say one thing a couple things stood out. one, you see a point at which officers begin to search brooks. they search him and find he's unarmed. you see that happen in the body camra video. the other part, timing. 43 minutes in to this individual yes this escalated. things went from a relatively comedies course, brooks sitting in his car. officers talking to him. asking questions where have you been tonight? how much have you had to drink, those type of thing opinions gets out about 28 minutes in and does a series of field so priority tests investigators say he failed. 43 minutes into that video, though, alex is when officers moved to put him under arrest and you see it escalate very, very quickly. less than 90 seconds between the calm conversation to when you hear gunshots end of that clip of video, alex that is a

stunning detail. that is extraordinary. i mean, the kind of thing, went through my mind, if the guy had a cup of coffee he might have helped sober up if indeed he did fail the sobriety test. might not have escalated. that amount of time is a stunning thing. rashard, your thoughts on that? the amount of time it took from first approaching him, seeing him allegedly asleep in his car, right? in the wendy's drive through. people complained. we have to drive around this guy to get to our wendy's order window and pick up. so 43 minutes? >> 43 minutes once again. this escalated to a lethal force case from a dui that took damn near an hour for them to investigate. we already know that the officers searched mr. brooks. they knew he was unarmed.

they knew this was a non-violent arrest. once the alleged suspect wanted to flee, they could have either pursued as cops are trained to do. why they go through basic training. or they could have stopped pursuit, set up a parameter and then called in backup. yes, the man would have had a warrant for his arrest. he would have saw a judge. but he would be alive today. >> okay. >> the issue we have is that he's not. >> but rashard, the fact that he grabbed the police officer the taser, how does that change the conversation? >> it changes absolutely nothing. the fact that he grabbed a non-lethal weapon and decided to flee and aimlessly discharge one of the cartridges changes nothing. cops to taser certified have to tase themselves. that's how non-lethal this

weapon is. by law it's a non-lethal weapon and they cannot make the argument they did not know if this was a taser or not. first, it's bright yellow. secondly they already searched him and realized he had absolutely no weapons. this was a disregard for his life. >> blaine, what's going to be on tap today with all of this? what do we expect police to make statements about this? we know the police chief resign. we know the officer who fired the fatal shot has been fired. what about the other one on administrative leave? what do we expect to hear? >> reporter: we're going to push to get more details from police. we know atlanta police released that body camra video and the name of the officers overnight. this case is now in the hands of the georgia bureau of inve investigati investigation. we heard a news conference yesterday and will push for more information today. on tap today, one of the

officers has been fired. the other placed on administrative duty, but interesting about this right now, at least -- as of right now, three different investigations happening in to this case. one that's run by the gbi. i mentioned. another run by the fulton county district attorney's office. he released a statement yesterday saying that he's got his own team looking into this they're going to figure wa comes next and whether or not charges will be appropriate in this case. if so, what those charges look like and a third investigation that's run by the attorneys for brooks' family. chris stewart, a civil rights attorney here in atlanta, he and his law partners representing the family of rayshard brooks are launching their own investigation into all of this as well, alex. >> rashard, go to the ask about the resignation of chief of police there in atlanta. what does that say to you? is this overall a problem? everything that happened last night, or on friday night,

rather is it a problem of leadership? a problem of just a cop that has taken matters into his hands? what will be the effects of a police chief resigning? >> well, the police chief is part of the executive leadership where culture permeates from. so the police chief needed to go. chi chief, the chief needed to resign. what else needs to happen, an overhaul of policing, period. that's not just leadership. we're talking about middle management and also holding cops accountable that do things that will not protect the sanctity of life. and if you are a cop it should be known right now, if you want to get into the profession, policing will be reimagined from

this era forth. >> okay. rashard ritchie and blayne alexander, thank you. appreciate you getting us started off on this conversation. joining me, democratic congressman. love to hear your reaction of this situation unfolding in atlanta? >> yes. no, absolutely. i heard about it last night and continuing to watch it obviously i believe that the atlanta police certainly could have served a warrant later nap should not have escalated to the point to we they needed to use deadly force, because he stole their taser. they had his license and information. i believe that his -- still in the parking lot, his car, of the wendy's drivedrive-thru. i would have liked to see that happen instead. >> i find it stunning it escalated in a period over 40 minutes from start to finish.

it just -- hard to comprehend. let me talk about something else. >> it really is. >> something you're doing. you have a justice in policing act of 2020 you're co-sponsors. tell me what it is and urgency of congress passing something like that. >> well, it's really -- first of its kind legislation and everyone in the congressional black caucus is supporting this legislation. what it does, it holds law enforcement accountable like we've never seen before because it establish as nationwide standard for law enforcement. one of the, i think-dash few key points in the bill is that it bans use of chokeholds. it bans no-knock warrants when it comes to federal drug cases and separates that relationship that the police and the d.a.'s have that they have to keep the public safe, but when it comes to d.a.'s investigating one another, when it comes to d.a.'s investigating police, that's where the issue arises.

we think there needs to be a separation there and there needs to be independent investigations of police when it comes to situations like we're seeing in atlanta right now. >> do you think legislation like this might have prevented what we're seeing from atlanta friday night. yeah. i think legislation like this would definitely prevent what we saw in atlanta last night. and i also think that when you -- if you were to end quellfied immunity for police departments and they could be held accountable in civil courts that would really make police departments around the country think twice before they used deadly force and come up with ways to, again, de-escalate situations before they get to the point like where it did in atlanta last night. >> yeah. you said you have support of the congress' black caucus. curious of your thoughts on the likelihood bipartisan agreement could be reached on this? where do republicans stand on this so far? >> you know, my understanding is that kevin mccarthy is saying that they would like to see

something done. i believe that there are senators. i know mitt romney. we saw him marching with marchers. already see some bipartisan support. on the republican side. and in regards to that, and so absolutely. we hope we can get something done. hopefully the senate will, after we pass our bill here in the next week or so, the senate will take up a, a bill, and we can work something out in conference. i think the bill we have is the best route. i don't think there's needs to be many changes to the bill at all. this is a really good bill that would, i think, stop situations like what we're seeing in atlanta and what happened to mr. floyd, but, of course, we need the president to step up to the plate. he's still being very vague about all of this, and -- and not being very direct. he still hasn't really spoken directly to the american public about how he feels about what needs to be done in these situations, and we need for him to show he's a true leader and

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new today, the secret service is walking back a previous claim that no chemical agents were used on protesters outside the white house earlier this month. the agency now saying it did use pepper spray to clear protesters from lafayette square ahead of the president's photo op june 1st. and joining us from the white house with more on this, what's behind this reversal, monica? as i say good morning to you. >> reporter: hi there, alex. significant walk-back from the u.s. secret service now conceding one of their agents did indeed use this chemical irritant which is known at pepper spray in the clearing of peaceful protesters in lafayette park nearly two weeks ago. of course, we remember those

images. we had our own colleagues on the ground. garrett haig reporting what he felt was the use of pepper spray. later federal agencies denied using it and a strange back and forth where our own people know we knew what was used yet the federal government was denying it. park police walking that back and the secret service saying same thing. after further review they determined an agency employee did use pepper spray june 1st during efforts to secure the area near lafayette park. you remember all of that was done so that the president could walk across the square and do that photo op at saint john's church. what remains unclear is exactly who ordered the use of force in terms of pushing those protesters back. originally attorney general bill barr had taken some responsibility for it and then he walked that back in an interview about a week ago. so we don't have the full

picture, but now have a much better sense of what our own colleagues experienced themselves only the ground now backed up by both the secret service and the park police here. >> i find it interesting they had to even review it. it certainly was blatant to many of us. monica, you have reporting on the president's upcoming rally in tulsa, rescheduleed by a day to the 20th of june which is next saturday. what can you tell us about this? >> reporter: we reached out to trump campaign officials repeatedly to see what cdc guidance if any they will enforce for this rally, which is set to take place next saturday in tulsa, oklahoma. the venue itself can fit more than 1,900 people. the question becomes what kind of checks are going to be done? what kind of safety measures taken to ensure amid the coronavirus pandemic this is a safe event? the campaign won't say whether temperatures will be taken or social distancing, whether face masks will be encouraged. now we've seen there as many as

200,000 to 300,000 requests to attend that event. they may add another one. again, no guidance. rallygoers had to sign a liability waiver stating if they got sick at this gathering they wouldn't blame the campaign. >> okay. monica alba at the white house. thank you for that. going back now to the breaking news from atlanta where overnight protesters were demanding justice for the shooting death of rayshard brooks. a lawyer for the brooks family admitting he doesn't know what justice looks like in this case. >> we agree with the mayor saying that the officer that fired should be, that fired his weapon should be terminated and also prosecuted. the family met with paul howard and they've opened their investigation, and -- i can even say we want justice but i don't even care anymore. i don't even know what that is and i've been doing this 15 years. i don't know what justice is anymore. is it getting him arrested?

getting something fired? a chief stepping down? i know that this isn't justice, what's happening in society right now. >> joining me now is author of "locking up our own" crime and punishment" and professor who is with us. do you know what he's saying, he doesn't even know what justice looks like? what does it look like in these fatal cases? >> honestly, if you heard him what i heard, i heard somebody who sounded exhausted. i understand that exhaustion. you know, my father was a civil rights worker, james forman. executive secretary of student coordinating committee and fought against police brutality for much of his life and yet when i was a law student i saw rodney king beat, and i thought, okay. well, let me work on these criminal justice issues, and that's what i did. i became a public defender.

worked on that much of my life and now i pass the world over to my 11-year-old son who's consuming these images or social media and otherwise and asking me basic questions, like, well, as young black boy can i do this? can i do that? it is so traumatizing, so devastating for black people in this country to look back across generations, for me to reflect on my father's life, they changed so much. they built a world that black people of previous generation couldn't imagine, and yet, and yet there's this foundational institution, the police, that it seems like can't be changed. it seems like it's impenetrable. like nothing tried ever seems to make a difference. whether it's community policing or whether it's bias training or diversifying police forces, as atlanta has done spectacularly. nothing seems to change the culture of impunity. that was the frustration that i

heard in mr. brooks' lawyer's voice. it's a frustration that so many people share. >> yeah. i'm going to say i hear exhaustion and frustration in you as you are chronicling all this given your family history and all the things your father and you've worked and and who knows about your 11-year-old son. so the lawyer made the point that police could have easily cornered rayshard. arrested him instead of chasing him, shooting him saying the officer's life was nos in immediate harm when he fired that shot and raises questions about the deadly use of force, whether kneeling on someone's neck or using a taser or shooting them. what do you make of all of this? >> well, really, two things. number one is, we do have to keep working. as exhausted and tired as i am, we have to keep working, and this is a moment where the nation is willing to listen to

make the kind of changes that we know will reduce instances of use of force. we need to change the practices of hiring police officers so that we don't hire feel who have this warrior mentality. we need to change training and supervision. we need to have real accountability in so many cities now, no matter what happens with, when there's an instance of use of force, it gets pushed under the rug. you can't even get access to police officer records. and so all of those things are very concrete things. use of force policies. that aid can't wait campaign. a series of things that can be done that will reduce these instances, not eliminate them, but reduce them. that's step number one. step number two, and you're hearing this more and more, is this question of defunding police. now, that's not a term that i use myself. i like to think of reimagining

police instead. in fact, an earlier guest of yours used that term as well. what that movement is aing we just have to shrink the footprint of police. we shouldn't have police responding in schools so the mentally ill, to the addicted. we don't need police responding to somebody who's sleeping in a parking lot. there are other kinds of institutions we could build in this society that could respond in a consistently less lethal way. >> a conversation a lot of people want to have right now. meantime, thank you for this young, yale law school professor. good to see you. you've won. that is the message from new york governor andrew cuomo to protesters, but have they? when g another treatment, ask about xeljanz xr, a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis or active psoriatic arthritis

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back now. we have breaking news on the police involved killing of rayshard brooks in atlanta shot in a wend ip parking lot after a

scuffle with officers. that restaurant was set on fire last night, and that's what is left of it today. one police officer, garrett rolfe, on the left of your screen harks been fired. another devin bronsan on the right, placed on administrative duty. the killing has rocked the city as you look at the front page of this morning "atlanta journal-constituti journal-constitution." several states have taken action outlining comprehensive kplans to plans to reform local police. we've seen a couple plans. talk about what the states have been doing. >> reporter: reform san interesting word, alex, because a lot of groups have been talking about revamping from the ground up, changing the fundamentals how the police work. that's what new york is trying to do according to governor cuomo. in addition to this the state laws they're trying to fast-track, no use of chokeholds, police transparency,

that sort of thing issues a state and local order to work with communities from ground up to issue completely new guidance for these police departments telling the people they can decide what they want their police departments to look like. talk and that yesterday. listen in. >> people are still out protesting. you don't need to protest. you won. you won. you accomplished your goal. society says you're right. the police need systemic reform. that was accomplishment one. now go to step two. let's sit down at a table with the local government, with the police, with the other stakeholders. how do we redesign the police department? we start with this. it's a blank piece of paper. what do you want the police department to be in new york city? let's design it.

here's a pen. let's design it. >> and alex, colorado and minnesota two other states right now working on passing sweeping reforms including those bans of chokeholds. limits on when police are allowed to shoot as people are running away. that sort of thing, and we know of at least six other states working on changes. >> thank you for that. and lawyers for the family of rayshard brooks are weighing in over police using force saying protesters need to keep pushing for change. >> we're so concerned about trying to find a vaccine for the coronavirus, the world is -- we're pitching in millions and millions and millions of dollars, scientists from around the world is trying to find a vaccine but nobody is trying to find a vaccine for civil rights abuses. it's something we're told to wait for. it will come. nobody's trying to find a

vaccine why officers pulled the trigger so quick on african-americans. there's no flood of money or science top experts or our leadership in this country trying to end that epidemic. >> joining me now, reverend stephen a. green founder of justice khan and claire for black lives. and looking for a vaccine for covid but not racism. expanding on that, what comes to mind? >> yes. i think it's an imperative that we recognize this is beyond the pandemic of policing and it's an understanding we are truly at a fight for the soul of america, and really recognizing that as jeremiah wright says, when you bake a cake and forget to put sugar in it you can't just sprinkle it on top. you must go back in the kitchen and rebake the cake to make sure it is fair, equitable and just for all.

that's what we're saying for america. this is beyond policing, beyond the 40 million unemployed, truly at the soul of america we must reimagine what it looks like for all of us to be truly equal and equal justice distributed amongst all. >> thus far we have seen resignation of chief of police in atlanta. seen immediate firing of the officer who actually fired the fatal shot. we've seen another officer involved there placed on administrative duty. is that justice in your mind, and if it isn't, is it because it's not enough or you don't think that it's going to make any change? >> all right. we have to stop trying to segment out these instances as if they're not related and correlated to a sort of condra of moments since 1619 our people have been suffering under the threat of white sprupremacist violence. justice looks beyond one person

arrested, beyond someone being fired but it looks like how do we transform the culture of america? it was martin king who said morality cannot be legislated but we can literally put in practices and put in place things that will end the harm towards black and brown bodies in this country. that's what we're looking for. what is the systemic transformative change to happen at a policy level to help reshape the culture of america. that's what we're convening on juneteenth at graft eater churc cathedral, take the pen to paper and bring the black america and faith leaders, activists along with vice president joe biden, cory booker, tamika harris, to find a strategy on the path forward. we want to recognize this is a

time to bring all of us together for a kitchen table meeting to actively devise a plan moving from protests to policy to reforms looking to transform our nation and that requires all of us to take up, roll up our sleeves and get down in the trenches and reach to the soul of america. >> yeah. all of those leaders, thought provocateurs, very good and glad you included our other reverend sharpton. quickly, how many justice khans will it take to make change? >> we hope they will inspire folks to get down in the local of level of consistency and build and organize. we know we've had many of these conversations, but now we know that we're facing one of the most kwesconsequential election our lifetime requiring us all to be actively engaged and organized. they have a problem when we organize our protests and get connected to build a movement,

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>> look, it's concerning. i wouldn't hide my concern, because we know that this virus spreads through these events where one or two people infect a large number of people and that the risk of that kind of so-called super spreader events goes up in closed spaces where there's a lot of crowding and a lot of speaking. so i am concerned about, you know, these kinds of potential super spreading events. not just rallies but all sorts of other events, super spreader event. exactly. what about dr. fauci you heard saying we might not see a second wave. curious what do you think of that? because the u.s. is doing enough to prevent a second wave potentially or dealing with more of a continuous first wave? >> no. i think what he was trying to say, it's not inevitable. we are not helpless bystanders in the face of this rolling mass event.

we have ability to krolt tcontr virus and take sensible steps. he expressed concerns about recent developments. i agree with him. it's not inevitable but we would only prevent a second wave if we do the right thing. like ramping up testing, et cetera. >> people behave responsibly on all fronds. >> absolutely. >> a rise of cases wa expected after reopening. this rise is because of increased testing now, but many states you know have seen number of hospitalizations going up significantly as well. what are the chances that we may be entering some dangerous territory, particularly in those red states? >> look, the theory is valid. you're going to have massive direction between people, if you increase that, there is going to be a rise. i completely understand and public health experts completely understand the imperative of opening up the company. the way to do that is safely.

some of the states did not meet the cdc criteria, for example, and opened up a little too soon and a little before they were able to put in place measures that would let them open safely. so increase in hospitalization, not just cases, is indeed concerning. thank you very much for weighing in. we appreciate that. getting information about minorities of the books in europe. why germany has not been collecting that data for decades and a push to do something about it. ades and a push to do something about it. to make up. miles to the job site. the campsite. and anything else we set our sights on. miles that take us back to the places we want to go. and to the people who count on us. so, let's roll up our sleeves. because we've got miles to make up.

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the unrest in the u.s. following the death of george floyd is creating a ripple effect overseas. a protest kicks off in berlin in minutes. europeans are calling on their leaders to collect data that could end racial injustice. carl, good day to you. talk about this information.

>> reporter: good morning. in so many ways the data is so key. germany bracing for a third straight weekend of demonstrations following the death of george floyd. protesters here calling for changes in terms of the same issues we're see in the united states when it comes to racial inequity and police brutality. the biggest obstacle they face is a lack of data. germany they don't collect information specifically about ethnic communities. germany doesn't even know the size of its black community. it's estimated at around 1 million people. this is a problem when it comes to the entire continent of europe. many eu countries don't have information on their communities of color. that's an issue for protesters if they want to prove there's a problem. for example, are police arresting people of color at a higher rate? is covid-19 affecting communities of color harder than it is others?

activists say absolutely, but they don't have the information to back it up. i want to flag this for you. this reaches all the way to the highest levels of government in europe, the eu parliament. on the 3% of seats are held by politicians of colors. that should be more like 10%, even as high as 15%. the problem is so big that actually germany's community of color, taking matters into their own hands. they're starting the afro census. they want to gather their own statistics and ask these questions about racial discrimination and police brutality. i spoke to the leader of this coaliti coalition. here's what she said. >> when we have no data, even though we have all the experien experiences -- even though we have all the numbers of the

anti-discrimination offices, even though we have like studies and everything, often this would not lead to affirmative action, positive action against discrimination. >> reporter: that survey should be completed by the end of the year. they hope this will paint a clearer picture of black community and the issues that it faces here in germany. >> germany has had the better part of 75 years to put that together. thank you very much carl nasman. thank you for watching everyone. come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card.

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