hey, there. i'm joshua johnson. good to be with you today from nbc news world headquarters in new york. atlanta has more to protest about this weekend after another deadly police involved shooting. today's demonstrations have been peaceful after a tense and confrontational night. 27-year-old rayshard brooks is dead. shot by an officer. what are the videos of this encounter tell us about what happened and who is at fault. he stands along side george floyd and many other black men and women killed by police. names being said at protests that continue across the country. >> it just is a fire hoes that we' -- hose that we're drinking from of insult and salt of devastation. black folks are gutted.

we are exhausted. i think every day about my 11-year-old daughter and how i would like to pass along generational wisdom and wealth and joy. instead of generational fear and trauma. we're get gutted and exhausted but we're resolved. this is tipping point. >> that tipping point is vividly expressed on the latest cover of the new yorker by renowned artist. if you're not looking at the tv, look up for a second. say their names is a documentary in a picture. george floyd literally filled up with generations of injustices. meanwhile, today, president trump has tweeted about flag day which is today. it's also the u.s. army's 245th birthday and his birthday. he's 74 today. so far we have yet to hear about racial unity or about police reform. we're told that may come soon. >> the executive order that will

come out on tuesday really does reference a national database strengthening and national database police my conduct. it also talks about the importance of co-responders from a mental health perspective. let us begin in atlanta where authorities are bracing for more protests. officer garrett ross is off the force. his partner is on administrative duty. this all happened within 48 hour offense a wendy's drive through customer recording a confrontation that ended with rayshard brooks dead. he was sleeping in his car and suspected of being under the influence. nbc morgan has more from atlanta. morgan. >> joshua, good afternoon. we're here in south atlanta across the street from the wendy's now. a gutted by fire overnight following the death of rayshard brooks on friday evening. it hasn't been 36 hours since his death and we're seeing

incredible amount of change. three simultaneous investigations have been launched into this including the georgia bureau of investigation, the district attorney and the local investigation by police into how all of this played out. one of the unique situations surrounding this is the fact we have six different angles of camera views as this encounter between mr. brooks and police took place when ever they found him asleep at the wheel at this wendy's driver through. for more than 40 minutes, it's peaceful interaction until they attempt to put mr. brooks in custody whereupon a scuffle ensues and all three go to the ground. police do say that mr. brooks obtained one of those officer's taser which as he ran off attempted to deploy. that's when one of the two officers pulled out his gun and fired the fatal shots. he was taken to a hospital and

pronounced dead at the scene. in light of this, there's been a significant crowd that's gathered here at this wendy's overnight. it on the grows by the day. we know protests are planned in atlanta as people make the same calls we heard a few weeks ago in minneapolis for the end of racial einequality and growing calls for justice. back to you. >> thank you, morgan. let's continue now the paul howard. he's the district attorney in fulton county, georgia. welcome. >> welcome, joshua. >> where does your investigation stand now regarding charges for the officers at the scene friday night? >> well, my office received notice of the incident some time on saturday night. we immediately dispatched one of our investigators and one of our lawyers to the scene so we have

been investigating it quite intently since that time. there are a couple of things remain that we technically have to comply with. one is getting some preliminary statement from our medical examiner. secondly, we have to confirm some of the ballistics. we have to make sure we know exactly, which bullets might have come from which gun. based upon all of the videos that we resevered, the witnesses that we talked to, it's our expectation that probably by midweek, we are going to be able to make a decision in this matter. >> a good time line for moving forward is about midweek. there's a lot of pressure to take action on this swiftly. atlanta's police chief has stepped down voluntarily. atlanta's mayor has been vocal about her perspective on this. let's play a quick clip of part

of what she has said. >> while there may be debate as to whether this was an appropriate use of deadly force, i firmly believe there is a clear distinction between what you can do and you should do. i do not believe that this was a justifieied use of deadly force and called for the immediate termination of the officer. >> do you agree with her? does this seem, so far, to be a proper use of force or are there any red flags that have gone up for you, so far? >> i think the mayor is alluding to the long conversation that your correspondent talked about that took some 30 or 40 minutes before the incident took place. that conversation with mr. brooks, mr. brooks demeanor was

so calm and so cooperative, it leaves you wondering how could this conversation end up with the death of mr. brooks. i think that's what maybe the mayor was alluding to. we're looking at another legal matter and that matter is the time of the shooting. the precise moment that the shooting took place. what we're making sure is that the evidence shows that when that shot was fired, that either it was done to safe the life of that officer. he thought his life was in imminent danger or the danger to someone else. on the other hand the officer fired the shot for some other reason. if it was fired for some other reason, then that means it's not justified. >> just for our understanding, what is georgia law say? what is the precedent on whether

tasers are a deadly weapon in understanding how the officer interpreted a life or death decision? >> two interpretations. tasers are generally classified as non-lethal weapons under georgia law. however, a weapon like a taser could be a deadly weapon based upon how it is used. for instance, in our office, we tried taser case involving a police officer. the taser was used as a deadly weapon because it was used 14 times against a subject. in this case, however, i don't believe that you could say this taser that is used in this case would constitute a deadly weapon. sgr y >> you can see in the video there's the one pop where you see the cartridge leaves right there. it's fired. it seems like he fired it once before he was shot. one last question for you, sir.

for atlantans in particular, americans in general who say they want to see justice. i think you and i know what they mean when they say justice. >> we're very cognizant of the request of what people have been saying to us. i've said to many of my friends and colleagues, i had conversations with several young people several weeks ago. the thing they expressed to me over and over again, they said they were tired. they were tired. i understood what they meant by that because all of us are tired of these incidents occurring over and over again. when we make our decision, not only do we think about what goes on here in atlanta, but we are thinking about what goes on in the whole country. so whatever decision we make,

our hope it is done in the context of solving this problem on a national basis. >> mr. howard, thanks very much. atlanta is like nowhere else on earth. it's a city with a unique heritage of black leadership, including black intellectual leadership. joining us now is david thomas. the president of morehouse college. welcome to the program. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> the morehouse community has been directly impacted by this overall debate over policing in the last few weeks. there were two students. one of whom was from morehouse while dragged out of his car while the protests was going on. being tased by officers. this video made a lot of news.

how is the morehouse community been responding to all of this. >> tremendously, the moment we learned of it, we reached out. we have a substantial alumni base here that are part of the legal community in atlanta. we reached out. we're immediately in touch with the atlanta authorities. i was very early on in touch with the mayor who was very frank about her views in the situation. not soon enough but very quickly, our student messiah young was released and the charges dropped. i met with messiah and his father here at the college on monday where they also had their press conference because they

felt tliek wlike this was a saf for messiah and the young woman who he was with who is also a student of spellman college which is our sister college. i also say this, at least three other morehouse students have been detained by the police during these protests. none charged with a crime. all released and our morehouse students have been quite active in leading some of the peaceful, non-violent protests here in atlanta. sgh y >> you wrote a letter to the student body. you wrote, quote, in this moment we should not despair. we must turn to our faith. we must love and protect one another. we must recognize our anger and channel it into the non-violent social action that the college

educated king, and so many others to use to change the world. we must aim to be at the center of those who regardless of race, gender, identity, nationality or class want to build the beloved community. morehouse is known for producing a unique kind of man. a morehouseman. >> morehouse man. as the president of morehouse college, what you expecting all morehouse men to be doing right now? >> i'm expecting all morehouse men to be asking themselves to question that we have asked of morehouse men for 153 years. how do you take your unique gifts and provide leadership and service? i even sent out a tweet where i asked my students, send messages about what you're doing. some of my students sent me

videos of them leading marches. not here in atlanta but outside of atlanta. some of my students have gone to blogging and writing about and sharing what the experience is of being a young black man. others of my students show up in music videos that have been taken about this moment. the other that i ask our young men to do is understand that right now, we're in a news cycle. it may seem unending. the news sickcycle will end and e request is how do we turn this into energy for long term change. in that letter that you cited, i also wrote a letter to our community, i said that one of my

goals is for 1500% of morehouse alumni and current students eligible to vote that they vote in this election because if these things show us anything, they show us that who governs matters. our license to hold them accountable is whether we go to the ballot box. >> david thomas is the president of morehouse college. there's no force in the world so powerful as a morehouseman whose time has come. i appreciate your time. thanks very much. >> much more to come. members of the community are working up to clean up the damage in the aftermath of the death of rayshard brooks at the hands of policeman. it looks like progress is happening, but will it last? later on, coronavirus. where are we on the road to a vaccine? ccine? when you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more. so you can bring your

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it's the famous site of the hollywood walk of fame. the home of the oscars and today it's the site of an lgbtq pride parade. it's mass ifr rally merged with the black lives matter. it's called all black lives matter following the lgbtq community but also a focus on police reform. we'll speak to one of the organizers of this rally in just a little bit. the protests that have been sparked by death of george floyd have already brought about some tangible changes. city councils and state legislatures have passed variety of reforms. president trump is reportedly finalizing an executive order to encourage using what they refer to a force with compassion.

i'd like to get your reaction to the shoot iing. >> i'm just tired. we're all tired of these things happening over and over again. it's another recognition of just how policing does not work in our country. how violent police are. where police are, we end up not having safety and not having justice. >> what about the speed with which the police officer involved was fired. does that signal real change? is this just a one off? how do you see it? >> i think this is really important for folk who is are watching at home. who are sort of watching what's happening and are thinking, like, okay, so we're winning. things are moving. i think this progress is a good sign but i don't want people to think when politicians and political leaders come back with very quick solutions, that's things they should have already

done. it's things that should have already been on the table and already happening. far too often they are sort of issues and they are policies that don't get at the structural problem. if we do fot deal with the over funding of police, for the last 20 years, violent crime has went down while police departments have continued to expand approximate we have militarized police departments and have failed to invest in communities. unless we're going to start defunding our police departments, we defund education in this country. we defended health care but yet we keep funding policing and it's not made our communities more safe and just. police have failed at their fundamental responsibility at ensuring safety and justice. we could not trust them. could not continue to give them more guns. could not continue to raise their budgets. koultd not continue to think we're just going to add more

training and they we're going to get different results. that would be the definition of insanity. we have to do something different. we have to fundamentally rethink all of this and start divesting from all the things that have not worked and investing in things that we know healthy communities actually have. >> colorado passed a pretty comprehensive reform bill yesterday. here are some of the big changes. it bans choke holds and carotid choke holds. sounds like some progress, doesn't it? >> it sounds like things that are already on the book. if you remember, new york already banned choke holds when

eric garner was choked on camera and his -- the police officer was let off. i think the part of the challenge here is is that we don't have a problem with ideas. there's plenty of ideas to sort of reform or reimagine the system. there's a challenge with power. far too often we implement policies that actually cannot be enforced. every single time we end up in this situation, we come up against the fraternal order of police and police associations. these are institutions i have sat across with at the kwhous and other places who will look us dead in the eye and say things like racial profiling don't exist. literally, the ones who fight to make sure the police officers who get fired for killing someone end up with their job someplace else. work to defend police officers who beat and rape their spouses and help make sure they can hide that and get them back on the jobs. i absolutely think these sort of

policies are important. if anyone thinks these policies that other community vs that haven't worked with will be silver bullet to dealing with the fact where we have more police, we end up with less safety and justice. we can't think we'll put more policies in place and have as many police as we have. we have to change that. >> thanks very much. coming up, what might the future of law enforcement training look like? whatless so lessons might we lem this latest police shooting in atlan atlanta. stay tuned later on for politics nation. al sharpton will speak with andrew cuomo.

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i was always taught that when you know better, you do better. the death of rayshard brooks raises concern about what the officer did or what he do or was trained know about making split second decisions. the georgia bureau of investigation has says not to rush to judgment. what do we know based on what tauf the officers chose to do. joining us is a former nypd detective and director of the black law enforcement alliance. welcome back. >> thank you. >> recording gbi urging against a rush to judgment, allow do you interpret that? >> that's typical governmenta will recollect speak for we're going to take our time to kind of drag this out as long and far

as we can. i think quite clearly there's sometimes when the circumstances and the available information and evidence kind of mandates that you address these issues and i think this is one of those times. we can't afford to drag our feet and act as if we didn't see what we saw. we can't ignore the fact that we have a professional police officer operating under the color of law who uses deadly, physical force. it's nothing wrong with an investigation but stacy abrams yesterday indicated that we should have an investigation and transparency. i add the third part, we should have an investigation transparency and accountability and i think the time is now. sdplp can you help us think

through what a law enforcement officer has to think through. do you have to use force to stop them from running away? what is the manual say? >> we miss a golden opportunity and go into the areas, that need to go into when we want to deal with these issues and if it's some tactical or training issue. the systemic bias and toxic police culture that creates these realities. we know it's not training issue because police not killing white people. they are killing black people on a regular basis now and the threat is very real. we have a long history and specific names and circumstances and different actions and

everything from a toy in the hand or a candy bar in your hand or just walking or just sitting or just breathing. it's not a matter of tactics or training. we can always have an -- we always have an opportunity to improve those areas but we got do remember that this is about the killing of black and brown people by police forces, by the police, by law enforcement and we have to address the systemic issue, the institutional issues and add into those training and tactics that we choose to but primarily let's deal with the structural issues because we go nowhere. >> attorneys for rayshard brooks family say the police were collecting evidence, picking up bullet casings while his body was laying there in the parking lot after he had been shot. what is the protocol for the moments right after deadly force is used on a suspect? are you supposed to deal with evidence first? are you supposed to deal with

the person you shot first? what does the manual say? >> you want to make sure you secure the crime scene. you don't want to be manipula manipulating or moving evidence. you want to make sure the evidence is documented quite clearly because it's evidence. it's vitally important. you don't want to do anything that impacts negatively the integrity of the crime scene. i know people remember they talk about the integrity of the crime scene from the o.j. trial so many years ago. you want to keep that scene, that crime scene because it was crime that occurred there, as pristine as possible. however it was, you leave it there until you're able -- the professionals come in and process evidence. take photographs, take measu measuremen measurements, distances, angles opini . they will take witness statement, witness video, if it's available. what you don't do especially as early as its allegedly has been

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from sheltering at home to packing the streets. coronavirus has not slowed countless americans down from protesting police brutality. states are continuing to reopen trying to balance public safety and economic revie svalrevival? how's that's coming along? lindsay, where do northeastern states like new jersey stand with reopening because especially a lot of people would rather be at the shore than stuck in the house. >> reporter: tomorrow is a big day. this area enters phase two but as you mentioned it's a gorgeous day out here. the shore town really hit hard by the closures. even though it seems like a beautiful, perfect day, there are signs everywhere that these are not normal times.

social distancing guidelines here on the boardwalk. this line right here is for to go drinks. a lot of these businesses, they want to get back to normal. they want to be able to start paying their employees again. a little bit of hope tomorrow. they can start doing outdoor dining. here, they have a patio. they have a deck. they can probably fit about 80 people at a time here, they say and start serving their food and drinks. let people sit down. so many restaurants have been struggling. they implored their city leaders to let them start indoor dinings. they voted and approved it. then the governor said, no, no. he sued. city leaders had to reverse their order arnds go back to the restaurant owners and say you still can't do indoor dining. they told me, we don't want to completely reopen. we just want limited capacity. 25% of the amount of customers we can have the masks, social distancing.

i spoke to the deputy mayor who says they made that decision ultimately because these small business owners are their neighbors too. she wants to hear some more communication from the top. let's listen to what she said. >> small businesses in asbury park, there's another subset. that people that need to make almost 12 months worth of profit in three months. memorial day to labor day is their high season. if that's gone, then they may or may not come back in the winter. >> reporter: to tell you a bit about peak season, normally there would be 150 employees on their payroll. right now they have 35. even though they are eager to start indoor dining, tomorrow it will be out door for businesses along shore the. >> can definitely understand both sides since it's about 67 and sunny right now.

when will we get back to normal or something like it after coronavirus? dr. anthony fauci says don't hold your breath. in an interswru the telegraph he said, quote, i would hope to get to some degree of real normality within a year but i don't think it's this winter or fall. we'll be seeing it for a bit more, unquote. this comes as president trump is set to resume his campaign rallies. some health experts are calling this saturday's rally in tulsa, a dangerous move. joining us now is dr. irwin redliner and an msnbc public health analyst. i'd love to know your reaction to dr. fauci's comments. i think they are pretty consistent with what he heard him saying all along is this will not be a quick process of getting back to whatever will pass for normal. >> right. i totally agree with dr. fauci

and i think most of my colleagues do as well. this will not be a short term situation. all of us, including every single one of us in the business are feeling the brunts of this prolonged uncertainty. it's going to be a long time before we're back normal in terms of being able to do the things we expect to do. that's one of the reasons why there's a lot of confusion and messaging confusion that's actually specifically coming from the president and so on that we have to make sure that we're acting safely and that we're waiting the appropriate amount of time. it's still going to be waiting game through 2021 at the minimum. >> you've seen in the past week or so that cases have spiked in more than 20 states. some say it's due to reopening. some argue it's an increase in testing. you kind of see what you look for because we're testing more. what do you say? >> let's put that to rest. it's not a matter of i creased

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its way through hollywood. it's a solidarity march combining lgbtq pride and the call for police reform. it's called all black lives matter. tell me what you're seeing. >> reporter: thousands of people here are on santa monica and crescent having marched saying all black lives matter. it's a strong showing from young and old from across the city of los angeles. many sending a message loud and clear. it's an important moment for the lgbt community. >> i know it's super loud. you're saying it's an important moment for the lgbtq community.

brandon, i know it's super loud where you are. could i ask you to explain the name of the event. it combines black lives matter and all lives matter. these are two fraphrases that a at odds. what was the raciational of combining them? >> it's two communities that stand in solidarity for black lives matter. we have to address the homophobia in our community and the racism in our lgbtq community. we have to acknowledge all lives whether it's black trans or black queer lives in the community. >> particularly as it relates to black trans lives, it's very important to remember this movement was touched off by a black trans woman here in new york. that black trans people have being integral to the lgbtq pride movement for a long time. where do you see you are in

southern california as it relates to that intersection of being black and being lgbt? >> this is the perfect intersection for us to have over 50,000 people here spanning frr the same cause in solidarity of our black trans lives. we have to acknowledge that marshal p. johnson was the innovator of riots in making our voices be heard in lgbt community. we want to make sure combined in marsha p. johnson, lgbtq celebration as well as the civil rights movement. it's how we're here and why we're here. >> brandon an thony and erin, thank you very much. we're seeing people in a rally in brooklyn chanting black trans lives matter. let's meet back here tonight at

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good afternoon. as we come on air this hour, we're following breaking developments out of atlanta where the death of an unarmed black man by police is sparking protests. 27-year-old rayshard brooks was asleep in his car at a wendy's

drive through when police were called to the scene. officers trying to arrest brooks for driving under the influence. officials released body cam footage from the officers involved. we'll show you the moments leading up to is scuffle that broke out during the arrest. some may fight this foodage disturbing. >> i had about one and a half drinks. >> you don't remember the drinks. >> no, sir. >> i think you had too many drinks to be driving. hands behind your back. put your lands behind -- hands behind your back. >> hey, stop. stop fieging. stop fighting. stop fighting. you're going to get tased. >> stop. >> stop. >> you're going to get tased. >> mr. ross. >> stop. >> surveillance video shows the moments before brooks was shot as brooks was running away from the officers. officials say brooks grabbed their taser and fired it over his shoulder. the atlanta police chief resigned late saturday over the

fatal shooting. the officer on the scene has been placed on administrative leave. protests have erupted in atlanta over brooks death as we hit third week of unrest over george diploid and others. morgan is in atlanta. morgan, what's the latest there? >> good afternoon. there's a steady crowd that is gathering outside of this wendy's that where the fateful incident took place and we know throughout the day people have come to pay their respects to that man making those similar calls for justice that we saw in minneapolis when george floyd died a few weeks ago. we do have some new information. we had chance