fatal shooting. the officer on the scene has been placed on administrative leave. protests have erupted in atlanta over brooks death as we hit third week of unrest over george diploid and others. morgan is in atlanta. morgan, what's the latest there? >> good afternoon. there's a steady crowd that is gathering outside of this wendy's that where the fateful incident took place and we know throughout the day people have come to pay their respects to that man making those similar calls for justice that we saw in minneapolis when george floyd died a few weeks ago. we do have some new information. we had chance to hear from the

fulton county district attorney who says we may see chanrges against the police officers. that could include murder or manslaughter. listen to what he said in his own words. >> when we make our decision, not only do we think about what goes on here in atlanta but we are thinking about what goes on in the whole country. whatever decision we make, i hope it is done in the context of solving this problem on a national basis. that's why we're being careful and we believe that by finishing this in mid week, it's the appropriate thing to do. >> reporter: there is a sort of time line that is now set in place. we know by midweek charges should be coming in some form against those officers. one of whom has been fired from the atlanta police department. the other is placed on administrative duty. in the meantime, there are potential protests that are

expected here in atlanta today. we know last night hundreds, if not thousands of people blocked off an entire interat a time for some time with police. there were no serious clashes between protesters and authorities. right now, three separate agencies have ongoing investigations into this incident. we are awaiting to hear an update on the status of that. i did have chance to speak with representative for the local police union who says that he is standing by the actions of those officers saying that they only had a split second to make a decision and that when brooks turned and open fire with that taser, that was enough for that officer to think his life may have been in danger. back to you. >> thank you. with me now is the black lives matter movement organizer and former mayoral candidate.

he heather, here is the what the attorney for rayshard brooks had to say about what justice looks like in this case. take a listen. >> we agree with the mayor saying the officer fired -- the officer that fired his weapon should be terminated and should be prosecuted. the family met with paul howard and they've opened their investigation and i can say we want justice but i don't care fl anymore. kwhon what that is the i've been doing that for 15 years. i don't know what justice is anymore. is it getting him arrest? somebody fired, a chief stepping down? i know this isn't justice what's happening in society right now. >> heather, i don't know what justice is. how do you make sense of this case and the context of the national conversation we're having and do you have an answer for what justice looks like?

>> that was such a beautiful moment of honesty because it's very clear that justice means that rayshard brooks lives out his life. justice looks like it never happens again. that's where we have to call for individual accountability, the end of qualified immunity, police officers actually going to jail and losing their pensions so there's a sense throughout the network of police officers that this won't go unpunished. in the larger sense, we need -- when someone falls asleep at the wheel of their vehicle in a wen wendy's drive through for there not to be an armed warrior who comes to respond. that's wie we're having the calls to defund police, to dive us from policing not serving our communities. it's not keeping anybody safe and invest in the human care and infrastructure that will keep us safe and flourishing so little

moments like this in someone's weekend night don't end up being fatal and ricochetting across the city and across the country. >> nicole, understanding the larger context that heather is laying out. you still have this officer being fired. another one put on administrate ifr duty. you have to police chief resigning. would all of that rapid deresponse be happening if not set against the backdrop of weeks of protests happening across this country? >> i mean, i can't say what wouldn't happen but we can look at what hadn't happened prior to this. what we know is prior to all of these protests, we did not tend to see that swift action on behalf of law enforcement. you didn't see police automatically being fired. service seldom, if any any prosecution of police in the last five to ten years, maybe three or four police convictions or not even convictions,

indictments with one conviction. it's unlikely. i think these protests are having an impact, at least, in that immediate sense. >> atlanta mayor spoke out after the firing of that one officer. take a listen. >> while we have a police force full of men and women who work alongside our communities with honor, respect and dignity, there has been a disconnect with what our expectations are and should be as it relates to interactions with our officers and the communities in which they are entrusted to protect. >> how do you address what she is describing there add a disequidi disconnect in expectations? >> a third of the people killed by a stranger in the united states is killed by a police officer. we think about 2019, it was the first year ever where black people are more afraid of being

killed by an officer than killed by community violence. if we zoom into atlanta, 60% of people killed by the atlanta police are are unarmed. it's a myth, this idea of armed people engaging with the police. we saw in this video, body cameras, actually dit nod nothing to change the behavior of the police. that's not a solution. the mayor had a chance to change the rules by which the police engage in community and has chosen not to. it's not a requirement they deescalate and exhaust all other means before using deadly force. they know a taser ta him shooting the taser his shoulder in no way was going to imminently cause death. they knew that. when we think about the difference between justice and accounts blt. accountability happens after the trauma. justice is how to make sure the trauma doesn't exist in first place. the solution that makes the most sense is move the money and move the responsibilities.

who should be responding to people sleeping in cars, not somebody with a gun. who should respond to mental health issues? not somebody with a gun. we need to move all these responsibilities and the funding somewhere else. the police have proven time and time again this responsibility is not one they can handle and there's a question of do we even need the police at all. i think many of us would say no. >> heather, you had representative jim clyburn echoing about this incident not needed to result in man's death. take a listen. >> he was drinking. fell asleep in the wendy's drive through. they already patted him down. he had no weapon on him. where did think think he was going to go? he's running away. my goodness. you got his car. you can easily find him. get back up.

no. you fired bullets into his back. that is not what you call correspondent force. >> heather, when you look at policies and the changes that need to be addressed, you have democratic legislatures on the hill coming out with a piece of legislation. do you see change happening at the federal level or is this really something that had to be reckoned with in cities and states across the country? >> everywhere, everywhere. this is a problem that is infecting our federal law enforcement as well as our state and local and county law enforcement. does the federal government have to act? absolutely. ooem worried that the republican, the black republican senator that was put in charge of the senate response through this crisis is saying that qualified immunity, which of the suite of reforms that the house bill had in it is most powerful one. he's been saying -- tim scott

has been saying that's a poison pill. i'm looking for him to shift on that. we have support of ending qualified immunity we're starting to see there's a bipartisan consensus on ending qualified immunity which is really important piece to accountability. the larger question of what is going to happen at the place where most of these decisions are made is one where we have seen dozens of reforms passed just in the past two weeks. i want to really make sure that for everything that we see of all the negative news going on right now, we take a moment to celebrate the fact that from omaha to salt lake city, there's been people of every background rising up and pulling a new america into existence with the force of their protests and demonstrations. it's going on right now as we

speak. just a few blocks away, as soon as i'm off this call, i'm headed over to the black trans matter. trans lives matter here in brooklyn. it's cracking open the political consensus here in new york state. we have seen a ridiculous law that shields the misconduct records of police officers. fwheeds more. we need it everywhere and we need for this to all happen under the context of saying what is going to keep us safe and recognize that we can keep us safe an particularly at a moment when the country still reeling from the covid-19 crisis. we're going to need more investment in our social infrastructure. >> i'm sure you have seen this. a preview of next week's new yorker magazine coffver titled y their names. you saw a shift from nascar.

you saw statements from the nfl. how do you keep the momentum of that cultural moment going? >> i mean, i wish that we didn't have to keep dying in order to get industry to real estate perhaps it's not appropriate to fly confederate flags, to get the nfl to realize that perhaps black people should be able to protest not being killed by the police. i think the way to keep the momentum going is not to let up. it's been the relentlessness of this protest, the protest occurring in small towns, big towns, every state in the country. i was watching a press conference yesterday and governor cuomo said you got what you wanted, stop protesting. that would be the worst possible thing to do. americans have not gotten what that he wanted. a black man just got killed by police last night. we have to see a sustained effort to force us to keep

paying attention and force politicians to do what is necessary to protect citizens of this nation. i mean, when you have the power to use lethal force, the standard for you to be hired than an average american, not less than an average american. officers are still far too comfortable deciding they will have a right to exkuecute peopl if people do not comply. this is not a country we can proud of that about. >> there are brands across the country coming out and speaking out in support of black lives matter. how do you move that ally ship and into real fundamental change? >> you know the movement is a broad space where we are all trying to get to the same end point but people are approaching it from a host of strategies. we know there's no one way to get to zero. i think some of the brands can use platforms to remind people about what's happening.

the brands can help people sort of advocate around structural changes. like nicole talked about and heather. this won't just end. it will only end because people rise up. i think about 2014, we were in the street for 400 days. they don't remember the ten other people who got killed in st. louis at the same time that we were in the street. this is sort of a moment where people are just awake and realize it. police violence has decreased a little bit in cities over the past since 2013. it's increasing in rural and suburban communities and a way that's out pacing the gains at cities are seeing. when i look at this, i'm nervous as so much of the coverage is new york and l.a. and it's not places like albuquerque where one in three murders committed in albuquerque a couple of years ago was committed by an officer or phoenix, arizona where one in five murders is committed by an officer or a host of other towns in rural communities where police violence just is sky rocking and there isn't sort of

a big collective or a national focus on it. the issue is percolating there when we look at the numbers and the way the numbers mask the problem with police violence towards women. there's a whole set of data that doesn't exist right now about sexual assault, verbal assault. yes it's true the police are not killing as many as women. they are killing women. we should talk about that and it's horrific and we know the police are committing a whole host of violence against women, against trans communities and queer communities that isn't being captured at any of the data sets that we have that is a disgrace. >> thank you all so much. president trump says he's done more for black americans sin since any president since lynn can. the president wants to get back on the road hosting his political rallies but some doctors are warning it could be a recipe for disaster. pe for dit that, do i?

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juneteenth is a significant day. my encouragement to the president was to pick day around it. his immediate response is i don't want to do anything to disrespect the black community. he didn't see it as disrespectful to do it on juneteenth. other people interpreted it differently. >> oklahoma senator giving insight into what may have led president trump to change his thinking about the date of his upcoming campaign rally in tulsa. that rally originally planned for juneteenth had widely been panned as incense tisensitive af touch. i want to begin with you. as a historian, ha message does it send to the country to be planning a speech in tulsa and

to have planned it for juneteen juneteenth? >> to plan on day african-americans are sbratsing their liberation from slavery is a slap in face. he was planning to host this in tulsa, oklahoma which was one of the home of the largest american communities in african-american history. it's slap in face to the black community. it's a slap in the face to our nation as we recognize and are on the ooe the fourth of july. african-americans have celebrated juneteenth. >> i want you to listen to what ben carson said about the unrest we have seen about the country and renaming of, na bases. >> we have reached a point in our society where we dissect

everything and try to ascribe some nefarious notion to it. we really need to move away from that. we need to move away from being offended by everything of going through history and looking at everything, of renaming everything. it gets to a point of become ridiculous after a while. we're going to have to grow up as a society. >> who is carson speaking to there? who is the intended audience for those comments? >> well, one has to assume when cabinet members go on television, they are speaking to the president but this is really a message that the president has been relaying. people who support him no matter what in many cases because the reality is a lot of the people currently protesting and it's a much broader consensus that this is completely not true.

this is a pretty broad consensus here. his message is not a broad swath of the american people. >> one of the areas that burned in tulsa was known as black wall street. i wonder what's the significance when you think about the racism built into america's economic system and the moment that we're in. the black community has been disproportionately hit when it comes to health outcomes but economic outcomes. you have more than half black businesses saying they're not sure they will survivor this pandemic. how do you put that moment together with this moment? >> first of all, black wall street was the greenwood district. that's the district that had a hospital, libraries, law offices, churches. it was the hub of the

african-american community. it was also a space of african-american affluence and success. where black people created their own businesses and they serviced themselves in these businesses. for those almost 1200 businesses and homes being destroyed in about 24 hours in the massacre is significant. it's also significant because we're about a 100 years away from that particular massacre in that moment. we're still seeing the economic disparities in our country that have stemmed from slavery. even in a moment when they found themselves and create businesses and establish their own communities. here we are revisiting this moment. the jim crow south dictated the

ways african-americans were living after slavery. all of that was part of the jim crow south. it was not until 1968. here we are almost 50 years later and still struggling. we're still trying to find ways. that's why you're seeing the level of frustration among the african-american community today. >> there's the reality these protests are happening in the lead up to a presidential election slated for november. the washington post writes, democrats have so far failed to tap into the newly emerging protest movement even turning off some activists who see early outreach efforts as hallow gestures according to interviews with more than a dozen organizers have been leading protests across the country in recent weeks. if you're the biden campaign, how do you course correct?

>> i've spoken with a lot of people associated with the biden campaign and daeemocrats about this specific issue. they don't want to be seen as pandserring but are aware of the fact that a lot of activists are not happy with what they have done so far. at the same time, they have been noting there's been a big up tick in voter registrations around the protests and they believe a lot of the people protesting will be so revolted by donald trump they will vote for joe biden. that's not really the message they want to send. just don't vote for the other guy. there's a bit of conversation happening in and around the biden campaign about how to address this disconnect. a lot of activists have suspicion of joe biden.

they said you need to have a conversation with a lot of activists or younger people out protesting now. that said, this is a largely democratic crowd. they are confident at the end of the day they will get those votes. >> thank you both so much. coming up, several states are setting new record highs for coronavirus cases. i'll talk to a doctor about new concerns over reopening plans. s. - hey, can i... - safe drivers save 40%!!!

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more than 20 states are reporting spikes in cases of covid-19 this week as new concerns from public health experts are raised over how the virus can spread. this comes as cities nationwide begin to reopen for the summer. allowing residents more opportunities to be out doors in public places. joining me now is dr. rod davidson. he's an emergency room doctor in

west michigan and the executive drebl director of the committee to protect medicare. thank you for joining us. you tweeted a prediction that president trump will blame this spike of covid cases on the protests. you say states prematurely reopening and indoor rallies are more to blame. can you explain why? >> i think we absolutely can see cases already going up and have been going up for the past week or so. now he said 20 states. it's been somewhere between 16 and 24 states over the last few weeks. those cases proceeding this mass protest movement that we have seen and we know that reopening in many of these states, most of the states has occurred despite the fact they haven't met with criteria put out by the white house, coronavirus task force several months ago. tests are still inadequate. we're still only testing half a million people each day. we need twice that to adequately test, trace and keep these outbreaks from pumping upstate by state.

>> there was a new study out of japan shedding some light on how coronavirus might spread. it showed the source of 61 epidemic clusters in japan were equi connected to younger adults. does the united states need to be doing a better job of educating, reaching and messaging to younger adults about the risk this virus poses to them and the role they may be playing in carrying this virus? >> absolutely. education, good role molding by our leaders, including our president, including governors is key. we need to do that persistently from over source we have. we do have the surgeon general telling people that wearing masks is critical. it's not bridging on their freedoms but we have the president tweeting liberate to states to open up and refusing to wear a mask even when he goes to facilities making masks and swabs.

we need to do a better job of communicating that to everybody in this country. >> you've seen the spike in covid-19 cases across the country or making some cities like houston consider inching back reopening. a return to a lockdown. do you think you're going to begin seeing more of that. a role back of this desire to reopen as cases spike across the country? >> i think what we have seen from polling is that individuals will do what they're doing to do irrespective of what their governors or mayors tell them. people are scared. three quarters of people say we don't want to be out as we were. we don't want to go out to the extent that our governor or president is telling us to. i think what we need is for governors and the president to communicate the hard realities of this virus that we have to follow the data just like the governor here in mipmy has done andly be uncomfortable.

when that just isn't true, i think we set ourselves up for what's happening in arizona and texas and florida and so many places. >> do you have a sense of where we are when it comes to a vaccine for this virus? >> probably not anymore than you do or anyone else following the news. i think it's critical that we continue to push on every front. we continue to push for vacci s vaccines, treatments. what we know works and this outbreak is testing, tracing and isolating. we know it's worked in other countries. we know that masks work. these are the things that may not be easy from a perspective of convince folks. it's easy in that it's known. we don't need to do anymore research to know that masks do help. we need to do those moon shot type things like vaccines along with the stuff that we know that works. >> all right. dr. davidson, thank you. next, we head back to georgia to speak to to president of georgia's naacp.

what he thinks need to happen in the wake of the latest police shooting in atlanta. i'll talk to the share of the georgia democratic party about the state's election day debac lerks. what needs to be done to avoid a repeat in november. plap

. there's a legitimacy to this anger. there's a legitimacy to this outrage. a man was murdered because he was asleep in a drive through. we know this is not isolated.

we know man taking a taser from a police officer many pennsylvania resulted his arrest. because this person was black, it resulted in his death. >> that was stacy abrams this morning on abc reacting to the death of 27-year-old rashard brooks. he was asleep in his car when the police were called to the scene. he was being arrested for driving under the influence. a scuffle started and police say he grabbed their taser. surveillance video shows the momentums before brooks was shot as brooks was running away from taufrss. as protests erupt in atlanta, the atlanta police chief resigned and hours later the police who shot brooks was fired. the other officer has been placed on administrate ifr duiv. we it seems to me the president of the naacp and georgia state senator.

she's the chair of the georgia democratic party. senator williams, you heard stacy abrams response. what is your response to how this was handled? >> this is unfortunate. we're going back into the legislative session on tomorrow and we're going to make sure we're addressing these use of force laws that allows to continue overpolice black bodies. this is not an isolated incident. we have to match our policies with our work right now. >> reverend, we saw the resignation of the police chief and the firing of an officer. what could have been done before a gun was even fired? >> thank you for the question. i want to correct the record that though she's been relieved of her duty, she's still employed by the city of atlanta. we demand that mayor bottoms clarifies the record and let us know what has happened. we call for her immediate

resignation and termination meaning that she's completely separated from the city of atlanta's payroll. what we talk about in response to your question about what could have been done differently, there are protesters and organizers in the streets of atlanta demanding the city of atlanta prioritize community meaning put its money where its mouth is and support those who are supporting them and who they serve. right now that's not happening. there could be been open lines of communication. there could have been that police department, the detention center there in atlanta closed, reallocation of the $18 million that was for that jail to go to community services. we're lifting up that right now and then in addition to those, we also know that this whole national conversation is null and void if we're going to have the same level of systemic deficiencies and failures that

resulted in the continuation of v violence and death. >> i want to touurn to the geora primary. you call the situation a hot mess. what went wrong on tuesday? >> we had a complete failure starting at the top with our secretary of state office. it's the chief elections administrator in the state of georgia and he failed us. we had months to get there right. we knew the primary was coming. it was delayed several times. people showed up in mass to vote because we didn't sever our absentee ballots. our secretary of state contracted with a vendor out of arizona to mail us our ballots back. it was a complete failure on his part. now we see him pointing the blame.

just send me my ballot. i'm a registered voter in the state. send me a ballot to vote in november. don't wait for me to go through a process to request an application. i suffered from covid-19 and was very uneasy about showing up to the polling places but i still had to stand in line for five hours on my ten-year wedding anniversary just to cast my ballot. it's unacceptable. >> reverend, connect the dots for us because there's multiple stories happening in this moment. there's the protests that are happening in the streets. this is all set against the back drom of a pandemic and there's the reality there's a presidential election happening in november and you saw on tuesday how equipped the state is to handle these elections. how the you see all of these stories tieing together? >> there are four words we can use to narrate what is happening

the up risings of 2020. we are done dying. when we saw george floyd's death, when we saw mr. brook's death. we saw people take to the streets in massive numbers to tell those who are elected officials, that they need to work together to ensure that no more death is experienced. this is not a time for passive leadership or piecemeal solutions. this is a time for bold and courageous leadership and accountability so we do not continue to see the level of violence that continue to terrorize our people. there are very specific actions being taken to ensure this does not happen again. the entire time we spent talking about people that are rallying and protesting and looting and all those things, we should be talking about the reason that they are out there in first place which is continued murder, continued dehumanization and so if we are willing to actually get this done and get it done

right, i think we are going to listen to them and come together andsoever the problems of white supremacy and dehumanization in this country. >> i want to stick with you for saekd because part of the conversation that is happening within the movement is about whether or not a lot of this effort and energy should be pointed at getting people registered to vote, turned out for november. what is your take on that fundamental question? should organizers be looking at harnessing this energy and getting people excited about november or is that missing the mark entirely about what this moment is about? >> i think it's a both and. the reality is people are literally dying today. there are young people who are just shot here in atlanta who are dead who could not go to november. though we do encourage and empower our people to show up to the poll, the reality is most people do not have the luxury of

waiting. we demand our legislature on the state level are congress, the president of the united states, the governor, everybody who is anybody take you aurgent action because this time is now. people are dying. i think we are missing that mark. people are literally losing their lives because of inaction and appalling silence. >> all right. thank you both so much. appreciate your time. > d we'll tell you what states are doing to put police reform in place, next. g to put police m in place, next harmful bacteria lurk just below the gum line. crest gum detoxify, voted product of the year. it works below the gum line to neutralize harmful plaque bacteria and help reverse early gum damage. gum detoxify, from crest. try nature's bounty sleep3, a unique tri-layer supplement that calms you, helps you fall asleep faster and stay asleep longer

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hidalgo county, a largely latino community along the u.s.-mexico border knows what it's like to be undercounted in the u.s. census. despite local efforts to make sure every person is counted the coronavirus has made that job increasingly difficult. nbc's alexa liatad has the

story. >> let's get counted! >> the census count is probably the most important thing the federal government does. >> the 2020 census, a decennial tradition that will decide how the 435 seats in the house of representatives will be divided among the 50 states. in turns that determines how more than $675 billion of federal funds will be distributed to states for public services. >> good morning, boys and girls. how are you today? >> fine, thank you. >> ideally, this power and money would be dispersed depending on census figures. but there is a problem. >> every census experience some issues with actual accurate counts. >> reporter: nowhere has a census undercount been more visible in the united states than in hidalgo county, texas. >> when you say undercount you're talking about undercounting minorities, undercounting the poor, undercounting people of color. >> the 2010 census recorded hiddhid hiddal goh county's population at 774,769 people, but rowlando

says that anywhere from 25,000 to 70,000 people were missed. in texas projections calculated by the urban institute show that more than 550,000 hispanic and black people are at a high risk of being missed in the final 2020 count. we went to colonia san joaquin in hidalgo county to meet one group on the front lines of the census effort there before the pandemic. >> months before the census 2020 it's go time for you. >> yes. so we're also working with our other community partners to make sure that other colonias in the rio grande valley get counted. especially because they're low income, many times lack infrastructure, drainage, light. >> reporter: on march 26th a 24-hour shelter in place went into effect in hidalgo county due to the coronavirus. we caught up with abraham, who says the outbreak is a threat tule their previous census efforts and could lead to an undercount similar if not worse than 2010. >> us not being able to be there

in person to remind people is making things very difficult. we're still worried about the numbers. >> reporter: county officials told us a miscount would be a blow to important public services like head start. >> our program is strictly for low-income families and the population is probably 99% hispanic. >> reporter: teresa says getting federal grants has become more competitive in recent years but that the funding amounts haven't increased to meet growing demand, in part due to an inaccurate count in 2010. has this area grown? have you been able to add more classrooms? >> absolutely. it has grown but it has not grown programwise. we do not have additional slots available for our children. >> bye. >> reporter: why should undocumented people be counted? >> well, the fact is that you're here you have to have an accurate count, and then you make the decisions of political power and allocation and so on and so forth.

but first you have to start with the facts. what are the facts? these are the people that are here. >> that was alexa lioto reporting. in the middle of pride month the white house is rolling back protections for transgender patients in the affordable care act. i spoke with rosemary ketchum, the first openly transgender official to be elected to office in west virginia, on our show yesterday. >> trans health is public health. we want to make sure that trans folks receive the same access to health care across the board that anybody who is sis gender would receive. it's just basic humanity. as soon as we take two steps forward to take one step bark, but we need to really ensure that we're putting pressure on our elected officials to hold this administration accountable. >> you can see more of catchum when she joins danica roem, the

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good evening and welcome to "politics nation." tonight's lead, no lessons learned. to those that insist that enhanced training is the key to preventing the kind ofnvolved k unarmed black people that have inflamed the nation for nearly a month, i would point to the unrest in atlanta right now, where protests continue for the second day after the police shooting death of a black motorist, rayshard brooks, that happened on friday night. brooks alleged to have been found intoxicated behind the wheel in the drive-thru lane of a wendy's restaurant. police and surveillance video of his arrest showing a scuffle in which brooks got a hold of an officer's taser and attempted to run away with it before