good evening and welcome to "politics nation." tonight's lead, no lessons learned. to those that insist that enhanced training is the key to preventing the kind ofnvolved k unarmed black people that have inflamed the nation for nearly a month, i would point to the unrest in atlanta right now, where protests continue for the second day after the police shooting death of a black motorist, rayshard brooks, that happened on friday night. brooks alleged to have been found intoxicated behind the wheel in the drive-thru lane of a wendy's restaurant. police and surveillance video of his arrest showing a scuffle in which brooks got a hold of an officer's taser and attempted to run away with it before he was

shot. for the audience's sake we've stopped the video before the fatal shot was fired. this morning the remains of that wendy's restaurants were still smoldering after its interior was burned to the ground by protesters saturday night. one of the officers involved now fired. a second placed on administrative duty. and the city's police chief now resigned amid the controversy. as atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms as cast the shooting as an unjustified use of deadly force. this latest firestorm comes as cities, states, and congressional leaders begin their legislative attempts to curtail police violence after the death of george floyd and nearly three weeks of sustained protest. i was with new york governor andrew cuomo here in new york friday as he signed major legislation to athat tack the

problem of police accountability or rather the lack thereof. governor cuomo joins me in just a few moments. but first joining me now is human rights activist and atlanta resident martin luther king iii. martin, thank you for joining us. let me ask you, you were born and raised in atlanta and now raising -- you and audrey raising your daughter, yolanda, in atlanta. and you stay on top of everything internationally but atlanta's home. you stay on top of everything there. how do you see what occurred there and where we are now and how the city has handled it so far? >> starting with how the city has handled it, rev, i think the first steps have been appropriately taken and the city is handling it as well as one can expect. i think that the d.a. is looking

into it to see if there's a prosecution. but beyond that it says how pervasive. no matter where you are, this is where many in the modern civil rights movement came out of atlanta. not just dad but of course julian bond, mayor jackson, a whole lot of others. lonnie king. hosea williams. all of those guys. andrew young. and many, many more were working as well as ladies in atlanta. and yet even after black leadership has been in power for, you know, 40 years, 35 years we are still having these problems with police. it shows how pervasive the tragedy and the tragedy of how police sometimes respond is. this has got to be changed immediately really in my judgment. it's got to be addressed. >> now, you attended to the great joy, if you can have a joyful occasion, but you attended the memorial service for george floyd in minneapolis.

the family was certainly encouraged by just you and andrea, your wife, who's also an orator, by the way. and the great orator, yolanda, your daughter. and you've been involved in a lot of these down through the years. we've worked together on these. i can remember you and i talking about doing the march on august 28 this year. but i remember 20 years ago you and i with your mother did a march around racial profiling and police brutality the year 2000 in washington. so this is not a new issue that we've challenged the country, we've made some gains, then they went backwards. how do we put something together? you have the stature. you're the heir to dr. king, his oldest living child, and his namesake. how can we put something together to really deal with this systemic problem?

>> i think there are many ways that we do that, and i think there are many ideas that have been proposed. for example, i believe maybe had dad lived none of this -- we'd be on a different tra skrekti. he wanted to eradicate the world of poverty, racism, violence or militarism. and so i think one thing that maybe perhaps he would have thought about because he talked about the whole edifice needs to be restructured. today maybe we need a commission on race and social justice that would take up in the tradition of the kerner commission. we left off a lot of information. i've been talking to thought leaders as well as citizens in the community about a commission on race and social justice. that is one step. i think there are many we must take. but that's certainly one. i hope people will join me in this effort and others. >> now, a lot of that would be -- and i know how meticulous you are.

is who's on the commission and how it's headed up. >> i did not hear your last part of your -- >> i'm sorry. i said a lot of that -- and being i know how meticulous you are in choosing, a lot of that would be who -- who's the makeup of the commission and who would head that commission up that would really be unsparing on all sides of what we need to see happen in this country. >> and that's why it has to be bipartisan and non-partisan. we can't have one group of people, whether it's democrats or republicans. it perhaps has got to be republicans, democrats, independents. it has to be a consensus. it has to be younger folk -- particularly i think it's going to be important to have young people at the table. because i believe in generations that are yet coming and are unborn. particularly having a daughter who already has established at 12 years old that she is very

much concerned about social justice and racism in this nation. we have to make this nation the nation it ought to be. i don't know what great again means because i'm not sure when that existed. but i do know we can make it the nation as dad talked about that it ought to be. and that's what i want to work with others on to create the beloved community in dad's last book, where do we go if here, chaos or community. >> and also in his book he talked about police brutality in his last book and mentioned that even at the '63 march on washington. so it's an issue that is certainly in line with what he had addressed but is certainly at a different level now. let me ask you this in the few minutes we have left. as you look at this and you want to put this commission together and want to move forward, as martin luther king iii, as one that has been active all over

the world, we were taught growing up in the shadows of your father, me and you about three four years apart, were not active when he was there but certainly under your mother's tutelage and others, that you have demonstration to lead to legislation that leads to reconciliation. we also need strong legislation and laws to change because even if we can't turn people's heart we have to limit what they can do within the law and then be held accountable to the law. >> absolutely. in fact, that is what made i think dad and his team so effective, because not only did they have a process of demonstrating but they also understood there was a le legislative process. this seems to me there may be laws on the books that need to be bolstered but also there is new legislation that has got to be instituted and implemented just as we speak. we need maybe a secretary at the

cabinet level. it won't happen with this president. but we have to keep proposing legislation and we have to mobilize, organize, agitate, register, and we have to vote like we've never voted before in this upcoming election. >> well, we're going to do a major mobilization, you and i, for august 28th and we're going to deal with all that. and talking about legislation, someone that you've worked with is up next who has just made some i think hallmark laws in new york state. and that's governor andrew squoem cuomo, who by the way was with your mother and i and you and i 20 years ago at the march against racial profiling. in fact, he was a cabinet member. he was the only one from the cabinet that showed up. and then as i teased him i was a little heavier and a little more controversial then. so i'm going to bring him on. thank you, martin. i'm joined now by the governor of the state of new york, andrew cuomo. governor cuomo, thank you for being with us. first of all, tell people

nationwide. and you and i have debated and we've known each other 35 years since both of us were toddlers. no, we were grown but we've known each other that long. why i've said, this is some bedrock stuff, a lot of groups for many years have been pushing for some of these things. you and i have talked about it for years. even some of the progressive groups for the last several years. but now you've signed it into law. explain what those bills are, and then i want to go into your executive order, which raised the bar as far as i'm concerned that i did not even expect to hear when i went to the bill signing. >> thanks, rev. good to be with you. we have known each other 35 years. and i understand that you're more fit than you were 35 years ago. i just don't know how we started out the same age and you became younger than me after 35 years. look, god bless you. you have been arguing this case

for a long time. rodney king was 30 years ago. abner louima in new york, 23 years ago he was brutalized. mark mcalary won the pulitzer, your friend and mine. why did it take so long? i don't know. but we're here now. and i believe you making that argument, you standing up every time there was an injustice, we hit a critical mass and the nation rose up with mr. floyd. we now have to seize the moment. right? because you're exactly right. it's demonstration, legislation, rekconciliation reconciliation. the point of the demonstration is for change and the change comes when you change the laws. and this is the moment we're in. and i want to make sure we capitalize on the moment. and new york can be the laboratory for this, right? we have that energy. people want change. what is the change? let's show them in new york. we passed what's called -- repealed 50a.

it's a new transparency for the disclosure of complaints against police. so you'll get the full file of a police officer when he's accused or she's accused of doing something wrong. now, that can either exonerate or it can implicate. if there were no other charges, that would work to the police officer's benefit. if there was a pattern of charges, we'd know that also. we legislated that the attorney general is a special prosecutor, if there's a police killing, and you know, i'd done that by executive order five years ago but now that is part of the law. so we're making dramatic legal changes that should have been made frankly 30 years ago. no chokeholds. i mean, eric garner, we went through that tragedy six years ago. why did it take so long? i don't know. but we're here now. capitalize on the moment. right? carpe diem, seize the day, seize the moment. carpe momentum.

and we've done that by changing the laws in new york. and we signed that into law this week. you were kind enough to be there. >> now, the thing that also impressed me, and you're right, we've dealt with these laws a while, i was with you when you announced the giving the attorney general by executive order, special prosecutor five years ago, but now it's law, not just an executive order. i remember jonathan moore the attorney, donna lieberman, mike hardy and others dealing with you for a long time about 50a, and there are a lot of other groups that have come in. one of the things that strikes me is on the left you're going to have people arguing about who should get credit rather than making sure we're monitoring in force, and on the right you're going to have unions that are going to be angry at you or thinking you went too far. but it's getting the job done. but you went a step further. you said you want every mayor of every city and police chief to come up with a plan on how to

work with the community around these issues or you'd withhold state money. and i think this is something other of the governors, 49 others to be exact, ought to really look at. explain that executive order because i think this is something totally different and it's backed up with money. >> yeah. no, reverend, i'm excited by this moment. as i said i'm sorry it took so long to come. i'm sorry so many had to suffer and so many had to die. i applaud you for your continued advocacy over all these years. but now we're here. let's seize the moment. you asked martin, and good to see him, by the way, even on this video. where do we go from here? i think the point about the kerner commission, take a fundamental look at society, justice only works if we have full justice, social justice, economic justice and racial justice, i think that's right.

but short term in this moment what can we get done? reform the police. reform the police. the outrage has been expressed. people are ready to change. government is ready to change. but the outcome is and do what? what we're saying in new york is every local government, you have to reinvent your police department. you have to sit down at a table and redesign it. in a collaborative, bring in those protesters, bring in those activists, bring in those civil rights people, sit there with the police department, bring the mayor, bring the city council and redesign the police department now in this moment. take into consideration everything we've heard. we want to demilitarize the police. how do you do that? use of force policy. how do you do that? end bias of policing. how do you do that? more diversity. okay. how do you do that? that's the art form.

turning the energy into action. and what we said in new york is every local community has to do that. the city has to do that. the mayor has to be at the table. the city council president. you have nine months. you then have to pass a law instituting that plan. and if you don't do it then you're not going to get any state funds. because why? if you don't have an incentive sanction they're not going to do it. this is a hot potato. the politicians don't really want to deal with it. they'd rather do these press releases, stop tear gas, stop rubber bullets. it's a more fundamental issue than that. you want a different police force for the year 2020. design it and design it now so we don't lose this moment, which has been too long in coming. >> the president and others in the republican party have yet to really address this. i understand senator tim scott

is supposed to do it and martin iii just said we need to have bipartisan focus on this. here's tim scott, senator from south carolina, this morning on "meet the press" signaling the trump administration's response to this moment. watch this. >> the executive order that will come out i think on tuesday really does reference a national data base strengthening, a national data base, police misconduct if my understanding. it also talks about the importance of co-responders from a mental health perspective. >> shouldn't he look at the blueprint that you've just done with these four bills and executive orders to go further than just having a data base? we know there's the problem. to just certify and put the numbers to the problem is not moving toward government solving the problem. >> reverend, we know what they're going to do. there's no secrets left with this administration.

we saw the president's response when he staged that photo op and he had the military kick out the protesters so it didn't get in the way of the camera lens. they're not going to do anything. i don't even know what that means, a national data base of bad cops. what is a bad cop? what are the rules? what do you want the police to do? what is the use of force policy? how do you demilitarize the police? that's what we have to find out first. and we have to do it now. this moment is so precious, right? when do we actually make change in society? when the planets line up. when did we get gun control in the state of new york? after sandy hook massacre. because people stood up and said enough is enough. that's when change comes. people are standing up and saying enough is enough. now. great. seize the moment. make the change. but literally redesign the police department community by community because the new york

city police department is one type of police department. suffolk county will have other issues. erie county will have other issues. buffalo mayor brown, god bless him, he'll have other issues to address. but make them do it now. while we have the moment and we have the energy. and that's how change comes. >> all right. governor andrew cuomo, again, thank you for being with us. and again, we've known each other for years. i won't tell everybody that your father, governor mario cuomo, told me chris was his favorite son and that your oldest daughter said to chris that i'm her favorite tv show. good to be with you, governor. joining me now, let me get serious again, is attorney l. chris stewart, who is the attorney for the brooks family. and civil rights activist rashad robinson who serves as president of color of change. chris, you have worked on some monumental cases, particularly i remember in south carolina with

walter scott. so it was no surprise the family of mr. brooks would have you. tell us exactly what you see in this case and what is the legal strategy? are we looking at a possible ability of these officers being charged? i understand the family wants charges, firing them is not enough. explain. >> yeah, what we see is the total devaluation of african-american life on that video. the first thing that i thought of is exactly what you said, rev, and we used to talk a lot during walter scott, is it reminded me of walter scott. it was the same thing. a man running away, getting shot in the back, not posing any imminent harm or threat to that officer, and pride and anger made that officer shoot. >> how does on a legal level,

how do you justify shooting a fleeing suspect? no matter what it is. because as far as i'm concerned, i'm not a lawyer, but i always was told that it was against the law to even shoot at a fleeing suspect, particularly if the suspect was just suspected of what, being inebriated and asleep in a car? >> yeah, it's a total analysis. you know, if he would have had let's say he's running away with a shotgun or some weapon which is a deadly threat there's a possibility where the officer can use deadly force to protect himself if he thought his life was in immediate danger or someone else. but a taser is not a deadly weapon. that is something that is a less than lethal weapon, that is used constantly on african-americans in cases that i've had where we've been arguing it shouldn't have been used. and the defense is it's not a deadly weapon. so you can't have it both ways. you would not have it both ways in this case.

>> what are the next steps for you and the family? i know people in the community, many of them are out demonstrating and rightfully so. even mayor pat hector from national action network. but what is the next step for you and the family to achieve justice for this case? >> we're waiting on the district attorney to announce charges. i mean, that's what the family wants. they want him behind bars. and then we have to keep figuring out what is justice. getting an officer arrest, is that justice? justice is what you've been talking about all day. getting full change to the system of policing so that we don't have to do this again. >> rashad, you and the civil rights leadership community have been dealing with this issue for years and certainly color of change has highlighted more things than you want to remember. put in the context of the whole battle with -- around george floyd, all the way back, eric

garner, michael brown, put the case of rashad brooks in the context of where we are in this battle around police reform and redoing now we imagine policing in this country. >> i think we're starting to see politicians and leaders start acting much quicker. police chiefs starting to act much quicker. we're starting to see them sort of recognize they've been on faulty ground and not really pushing and engaging reform. but i do think -- and i really appreciated everything you've been saying, and attorney stewart and others because the problem that we have here is even some of the reforms we're getting at this point are things we should have had years ago. and i do think that unless we can truly reimagine safety and justice we're going to get a lot of things on the place that we can't actually enforce. you know there was chokeholds that were illegal in new york

and eric garner was a chokehold too. so unless we deal with the power of the fraternal order of police, unless we deal with all the way in which police budgets have swollen over the last 20 years, even as violent crime has steadily, steadily went down, unless we can truly figure out how do we deal with safety and justice where communities that are safe and just have healthy food, they have good schools, they have mental health, they don't have a whole lot of police. so budgets are moral documents. as much as we're talking about policy here, we need to be thinking about the policy of our budget and where we actually put in our money. and when it comes to black communities, we should be putting our money in the things that we know keep us safe because a tow truck could have been called to the wendy's to deal with someone who had fallen asale asleep in his car. but everything we do now with black folks is sending someone with a gun. and if we don't decrease the size of our police, if we don't

start dealing with the funding of our police, we will have a whole lot of policies on the books but still a whole lot of police. and as a result not a whole lot of change. >> and those budgets for police, rashad, have gone up in huge proportions. yet public safety has not shown to be any better. so we're paying and we're not getting. and at the same time as you say there are things on the books that are not enforced by some of those same police. >> yeah. i mean, you and i have been at the white house and other places with folks from the fraternal order of police who have looked us in the eyes and said racial profiling doesn't exist or have pushed back against any reform. we are expected at every phase to bring list of policies, list of ideas, list of things that we want. and the other side pretends like there is absolutely no problem whatsoever. so there is this idea that, you know, police keep us safe. but i think police are just

incredibly out of control. and it impacts black people more than it impacts anyone else. but communities around the country, and i'm starting to hear from a lot of white folks that say they don't want more police in their neighborhoods either, they don't want march police around them either. folks with guns that have been not trained well can't be trained well. so when we hear these calls for training, when we hear these calls we're going to put these soft policies in place that we know exist already in cities that have a lot of problems, we have to recognize that this is coming because of sustained protest, because of more and more people raising their voice. and we have to know that we don't take the first thing they put on the table. but sometimes we take the policies. but then we keep moving and we keep fighting and we keep pushing. that's what you've been doing for years. that's what so many of us are continuing to do. so we have to keep pushing and recognizing that true structural change means we put our money where we actually value the things that we -- >> comes down to the budget and

enforcement. let me thank you, attorney l. chris stewart, and as i said in the eulogy for george floyd, ben crump, true lawyers that are about civil rights, not civil settlements. and i want you to know that's appreciated because a lot of people are just in the civil rights business. rashad, true champion. and by the way, rashad and i will be part of a virtual summit on june 19th featuring among others vice president joe biden and senators cory booker and kamala harris. for the allen a.m.e. church with the eminent reverend floyd flake and mrs. reverend elaine flake. that's this friday. coming up, why those big lines at georgia polling sites last week could mean big problems for voters this november. especially in minority communities. but first my colleague richard lui with today's top news stories. richard? >> thanks, rev. i'm richard lui at msnbc headquarters in new york with a

news update for you. there are now more than 2 million confirmed coronavirus cases across the united states. the death toll now over 116,000. in less than 24 hours new jersey officially enters its second phase of reopening. restaurants can serve customers on their premises again for outdoor dining only. more black lives matter protests continue nationwide. l.a. pride today held a solidarity march in hollywood against racial injustice, systemic racism and all forms of oppression, and protests continue overseas as well. a black lives matter banner was seen on the u.s. embassy in seoul, south korea. the embassy tweeted it stands in solidarity with fellow americans grieving and peacefully protesting for positive change. i'm richard lui. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton continues right after the break. the break.ght ne important than ever. in response to covid-19, subaru and our retailers are donating fifty million meals

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welcome back. my next guest, latasha brown, says she waited four hours. she's calling it a traumatic experience for black people. and adds to growing concerns over voter suppression in communities of color. latasha brown, co-founder of black voters matter. welcome to the show, latasha. first tell us exactly what happened. you've been fighting voter suppression in georgia for a while now, stronger than anybody i could think of. when i think of the fight there, i think of you. tell us what happened in this last primary. >> in this last primary my day started off, we knew we were going to go and work in polls around the city. but i started off to vote. so i went to my own poll. normally it takes about 10 to 15

minutes at most to vote. this particular day was over three hours. it was close to four hours. over three hours that i stood in line ready to vote with hundreds of other people. what was really interesting, there were people out there with water and checking on us and we didn't know what was going on. so we got closer to the front, there was someone that told us they had been having problems with the machines, that somehow there was a key that was missing. and so what was really interesting is that experience, it was a really traumatic experience. one, just in light of the covid-19. and i have elder family members that i'm really concerned about that i go around, that i didn't want to be able to catch something for myself or even transfer something to them. but what was ironic, as soon as i left there we had to go -- we went to alpharetta. we went to the snorth side of metro atlanta to meet a voter there. and when we get there there's no one in line -- >> now, that's a mostly white area, for people around the country that does not know what part of atlanta you're talking about when you say go to the

north side. >> that's right. we went to the north side. and the polls there were majority white. there was no line. there was no wait. there was no water. there was no tents outside. and so it actually gripped me. i was trying to -- i said to myself, how is it that on one side of town, on the south side, which is majority african-americans, we're going to we're waiting in line but even the preparation because we almost expect there will be some wait, but then when we go to the north side of town people were just strolling in as if they didn't have a care in the world. which they should be. i think at every single polling site. then i leave there and i get a phone call, we actually go to adams park. when we get there, now it's after 1:00, and the polling machines just got online at 12:30. people have been staying out there for over seven hours. one of the women that we talked, to a young woman named terra lee who is a caregiver, said earlier that morning she had taken her

patient, an older white woman, she'd taken her to vote, from getting in the car to go vote and come back out it was a total of seven minutes. however, when we saw miss terry, not only had she waited 35 minutes already on her lunch break but she was anticipating on waiting two additional hours. so here is a huge discrepancy on if you go on the north side in the majority white district. somehow the machines seem to work. somehow there seems to be a seamless process. but then when we go home, some of the places on the south side of metro atlanta it was a totally different experience. and the voting was so outrageous that later that night, after 10:30, we got phone calls to come out to union city, georgia. we stayed out there, the last voter actually walked out of the polls at 12:37 a.m. in the morning. >> now, there was high turnout for the primary. what can be done to ensure these problems are not carried out into november? and we are very afraid that it can happen all over the country.

what can be done? >> so i think there's a couple of things. i think part of the reason, refrpd sharpton, why it continues to happen is there's no repercussions. that when people do this, when republicans do this there's no repercussions. i mean, even when we look at georgia, brian kemp essentially got a promotion for cheating. so i think that we've got to really hold folks accountable. so we're asking for the secretary of state of georgia right now to resign. and if he doesn't resign we're also calling for a movement for his recall, that we actually recall him. he had one job and that was to make sure that we had effective and efficient election. and we did not. it was a disaster. the second thing is it's really important for people to get involved in local organizations that are doing this work like black voters that matter and other organizations out on the front line. we've got to advocate because this was just a dress rehearsal of what i think we're going to see in the fall. and so it's really important that you connect to organizations, they can connect to our organization by texting wematter to 797979. but it's really important,

whether it's naacnaacp, whethers rainbow push, so we can build advocacy around this. the third thing that is really important for us to think about is we really need to make sure that in these states that there is a plan put in place so that in terms of mail-in voting what happened in georgia and many of the people that actually applied for a mail-in absentee ballot did not receive it. however, we know places like in milwaukee where the county commission -- where the city council actually just passed a bill to make sure that every voter that was registered automatically got a mail-in ballot. we need that kind of aggressive -- to make sure people are part of the process. >> all right. latosha brown, on fire as always. thank you for being with us. when the president announced his first rally in months would take place in tulsa, oklahoma on june 19th it was met with widespread outcry. many americans found it shockingly disrespectful.

the president would be -- would hold a campaign rally and be in tulsa on the anniversary of juneteenth, this coming friday. the president actually responded to the criticism, moving the rally to the next day. still the trump campaign's decision to resume his overwhelmingly white rallies in a city where one of the worst race massacres in american history took place remains ignorant at best. and in a time of nationwide protests over police brutality, to hold a rally in a city where terrence crutcher was killed by a police officer just four years ago is a slap in the face. joining me now is dr. tiffany crutcher, the twin sister of terrence crutcher, who was killed by a tulsa police officer in 2016, and greg robinson, a tulsa mayoral candidate and community organizer. let me start with you, dr.

crutcher. four years ago your brother, your twin brother killed by tulsa police officer. we rallied, i was out there a couple of times with you. your family come from a very religious family. your brother in fact was a musician in the church. and the community still calling for justice in terms of a series of police abuses. and it is where you brought me with your dad and mom. we did a rally right at the site where black wall street was, where that massacre happened in 1921. and now president trump decides to come to your city to revive his campaign rallies in a mostly white -- talking about make america great again. how do you feel they're going to make america great in the city of a massacre in the city where your brother was killed by a police person and you have other

police abuses and you are going to be the city he chooses to relaunch his public rallies? >> well, first, reverend al, i want to say thank you again for always allowing us to share our story right here from tulsa, oklahoma. we're outraged. we're angry. we're insulted that he would come to the birthplace of one of the worst racial terror attacks in u.s. history, greenwood, black wall street, and not only do it in tulsa but amidst covid-19 tulsa has seen a major surge over the last few days. we have been protesting george floyd, and this will be the largest gath querg since we've gotten into this pandemic state. and the center that they're holding this rally in, they're not even ready to open it. i heard that they were going to wait until december. but now they're making exceptions for the president. so we're not happy at all.

and the symbolism behind it being that it's juneteenth, in reality we're still not free in 2020. >> greg, you're running for mayor. the public safety issue, as dr. tiffany crutcher just mentioned, is one issue. but if you were the mayor would you be concerned not only about the public safety issue in terms of the coronavirus but also the fact that people are still outraged about what happened with george floyd, and a reminder of what happened right there with terence crutcher. >> absolutely. the fact of the matter is the reason i'm running for mayor is because we can do better in tulsa. just as we can do better across the country. the calls for peace are good. the calls for unity are great. but the calls for justice are better. and in tulsa, oklahoma where the victims and the descendants of the race massacre have still yet to receive justice, where terence crutcher's family has still yet to receive justice,

where the countless numbers of families that have been victims of police violence have yet to receive justice, we saw george floyd having his neck have the foot stuck on it, and that was symbolism for what america has done to black americans. and so in tulsa, oklahoma we take that extremely seriously. and this mayor has said that he's committed to taking action. yet with the other side of his mouth has gone on national television and said that racial bias doesn't exist in the tulsa police department and that terence crutcher's death was caused by his drug addiction. and that sort of inability to take a stand for the voters who you've said you would stand for is holding us back. and so we come with a message of moving forward and moving forward together but moving forward in an authentic way,

guided by truth, guided by justice. and we believe that that's a message that not just tulsans will go to the polls for but people across the country want leaders that are willing to step up in that way. >> all right. all right. i am out of time but i have to ask you this, dr. crutcher. the fact that the president has moved the day, one day from juneteenth to the next day, does that, in any way, make you feel any better? because he's still coming, and he's still coming to the site of the massacre and the site of what happened to your brother terrance, and has not directly dealt with the justice issues around george floyd. >> nothing has changed. we feel the exact same. pushing the date a few hours later, to the next day, doesn't change a thing. and when have -- when has donald trump respected black people in this country? i can give you a long litany of things, when i've seen him personally attack maxine waters, lebron james, colin kaepernick. i can go on and on and on.

and so, we're celebrating juneteenth all weekend, as we've done for years in tulsa, oklahoma. and so, we're calling on everyone to help us cancel trump. we don't want him in our city, and we're not honored to have him. >> all right. dr. tiffany crutcher and greg robinson, thank you for being with us tonight. up next, my final thoughts. ghtss or psoriatic arthritis. when considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz xr, a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis or active psoriatic arthritis for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. it can reduce pain, swelling, and significantly improve physical function. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections like tb; don't start xeljanz if you have an infection. taking a higher than recommended dose of xeljanz for ra can increase risk of death. serious, sometimes fatal infections, cancers including lymphoma, and blood clots have happened.

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