thank you for joining us. atlanta is approaching, this evening, on edge in the wake of the deadly police shooting of 27-year-old rayshard brooks. protests throughout the day have been peaceful, calm. a far cry from the anger unleashed last night, that included the burning of the wendy's, where the shooting took place. there is now a $10,000 reward for the arsonist behind it. the outrage, a reaction to the killing that was captured on tape.

an encounter, that started with questions for a man, sleeping in his car. but ended, 46 minutes later, with gunfire and death. in the fallout, atlanta's police chief has resigned. the police officer who fired the fatal shots has been kicked off the force. the other officer, suspended. and the county district attorney expects a decision on whether charges will be filed by midweek. >> what we are making sure is that the evidence shows that, when that shot was fired, that, either it is done to save the life of that officer. he thought that his life was in imminent danger. or, the danger to someone else. on the other hand, the officer fired the shot for some other reason. if it was fired for some other reason, then, that means it is not justified. >> the shooting comes in a nation, still raw over the police killing of george floyd. a 20th straight day of protests like this one in los angeles, taking place today across the

country. the frustration of many captured vividly in this new yorker cover by noted artist akikadir nelson. all contained within the figure of george floyd. the president of the united states is expected back at the white house shortly. today, nothing from him on the atlanta shooting or on police reform. although, that may change, soon. >> the executive order that will come out, i think on tuesday, really does reference a national database, strengthening a national database, police misconduct from my understanding. and it also talks about the importance of co-responders from a mental health perspective. >> let's start our coverage in atlanta with nbc's morgan chesky, who has been there for us. morgan, what a tumultuous 48 hours for atlanta. that's the mood there now? >> yeah. chris, you're exactly right. and i spoke to several of the people that have come here to pay respect to rayshard brooks at this wendy's behind me, where he was killed. and they tell me all the same

thing. that they were already hurting in the black community, here, in atlanta, following death of george floyd. and then, to have this happen on friday night and then see the evidence that was presented in that 46-minute-long video makes it just tough to cope, tough to deal with. and that's why there's been so much raw emotion, here, in this place. hundreds of people have stopped by this wendy's, over the course of today. rain and shine. we had a thunderstorm move in. and dozens of people stood on the sidewalk behind me, holding up signs, calling for justice and calling for racial equality. and for police reform. that call that was started with the death of george floyd. now, only getting louder. now, we did anticipate protests throughout the city today. we did not see any massive gatherings, like we've seen in weeks past. but there has been steady presence of people here, behind me, however, we did see hundreds, if not thousands, of people block off the interstate last night. we will be keeping a close eye on the roads here. we do know that there is a

police presence nearby, but not very close to where we are right now. strictly, because of that heightened sensitivity, for lack of a better description, between the crowd here and law enforcement in atlanta. again, following the resignation of the police chief here, there was a bit of an acknowledgment of a step. however, a lot of people are looking forward to the district attorney, on whether or not they will bring serious charges of murder and/or manslaughter against the two officers involved in this very case. one gentleman, in particular, told me that we have to go back to the basics. trust has been compromised. people here no longer look towards police as a form of safety or protection. and he says the only way you can really start to do that is start a conversation. but really focus in on that trust which, here, on friday night, was absolutely put into question. chris. >> nbc's morgan chesky in atlanta for us. thank you so much, morgan.

one atlanta city councilman says the resignation of the chief police -- chief of police doesn't go far enough. councilman antonio brown has called for the resignation of mayor keisha lance bottoms and of the full council on which he serves. councilman brown joins us now. i thank you for taking the time to be with us. before i get to that tweet, you were on scene, just hours after brooks' death. what was your reaction to what is a happened in your city, over the last two and a half days? >> you know, i think we're all distraught. this is something that continues to happen. and, you know, what i think people need to understand is, you know, rayshard brooks is just one african-american life that has been lost, by the hands -- at the hands of our local police. through the use of excessive force. and the reality is, is that you have jimmy atchinson, this is something that's been happening for years in this city. and for us, we have to take

accountability for that. through the tweet, i was expressing a hyperbole along the fact that we're all equally accountable. we all need to take ownership of the fact that we could have had legislation introduced and passed through council to keep this from happening. >> so i want to make sure i'm clear, you don't believe that the mayor or all the members of the council should resign? and -- and what did you think you could have done, potentially, that you didn't do? >> so, it's interesting. you know, i -- i recognize that it's impossible to have all of council and the mayor resign. we would have no city infrastructure. i was speaking from the basis of the hyperbole that, listen, we're all equally responsible for what has happened. i came onto council a year ago. i introduced legislation that stated, if you did not have, o your body camera and it wasn't working, that you would be immediately terminated. you know, we could have been passing progressive legislation like that to address what is

happening right now. but we didn't. so it's not just on chief shields. you know, unfortunately, things become political. you know, something i don't agree with. i don't agree with the politics. and even though we are elected officials, we need to get back to serving the people. something that we have not done, in a very long time. i represent poor communities in atlanta, that have been poor for four decades. and nothing has changed. and we've had black leadership in atlanta for 40 years. that's a problem. >> so, why? so i'm trying to get to the heart of why. you know, on rev al's show, governor cuomo was just on. and he said we hit critical mass with george floyd. now, we have to seize the moment. is this the time, in atlanta, do you believe, and elsewhere, where there is a moment to be seized? and what you talk about, the inability inability, by people who want

change, to get change, can finally find an opening? >> absolutely. you know, one thing that is happening right now, all over the country, is the revolution of our minds. young people are waking up to the reality of the power that they have to run for elected office. to represent the interests of their community. the problem that is occurring is the individuals that have been in this political land, environment for such a long time, you know, they have not prepared the young people. they haven't passed the torch or the mantel to allow the young people to lead. so now, the young people are just going after it, just taking it because this is a rare opportunity in history. for us to come together, as a people, and demand the change we want to see. we should -- we should have been had community policing. >> so what is that change? specifically, what is that change? what's on your priority list? >> so we have -- i've issued three pieces of legislation that we're introducing at tomorrow's

full council meeting. the first legislation is we're disallowing the use of tear gas, rubber bullets, and the ground grenades. and -- and -- and ensuring that we're protecting our protectors. that are utilizing their first amendment right of freedom of speech. the other piece of legislation. we're enacting the eight can't wait policies. and even though it's not aggressive to where we want to be, the public safety reform we want to see, it's a first step in us continuing this conversation and moving into a place of action. then, we're also addressing the community has spoken out about black lives matter. and that they want to see that representation in our community. we're putting together an order for the atlanta department of transportation to work with community, to find out where they want it at in their community. you know, we're taking these necessary steps. i've formed a task force. i spoke with the governor yesterday. the people's uprising. this is a task force that's for the people, and by the people. the governor is standing behind it and supporting it. this is important.

>> atlanta city councilmember, antonio brown, we thank you so much for taking time to talk to to us and we're thinking about everybody in your city. we appreciate you. the nationwide protests that were first sparked by the death of george floyd have already translated into some real change. since his killing, on may 25th, city councils and statd legislatures across the country have passed varying reforms against the scourge of police violence and racial injustice. but as more details and the video surrounding the shooting of rayshard brooks in atlanta emerge, new fuel has been added to the debate over the use of force by police. joining me now to talk about the road ahead and wbur correspondent and msnbc contributor kimberly atkins. and ben wallace. here we are, ben, after having had a conversation about change in the wake of the death of george floyd, you're back on now and we are talking about the death of rayshard brooks. how do you see what happened in

atlanta, ben? >> what's clear is that a taser is not a deadly weapon. and that he should not have been shot. and he should not have been killed. you know, this was a dui stop, as he fell asleep in a wendy's drive-through lane. and it just should not end this way. and what worries me is that it's june 14th, and we've had three high-profile cases. the end of the spring. and the summer hasn't even started. we have to make real reforms, right now. what we saw in colorado, the banning of qualified immunity, is a great sign. we need real reforms, right now. they're going to have to come at the city, county, and state level. there's no hope that donald trump's going to provide any leadership. so we have to do what we can, where we can. >> let me -- since you brought up colorado -- let me show people exactly what we're talking about here because this is one of the most comprehensive

reform bills in the country right now. it bans chokeholds and carotid control holds. all officers must wear body cams. departments must release the footage within 45 days. it provides limits on when police are allowed to shoot at a fleeing person. given your belief and what we've seen from this white house, we're waiting to see what happens on tuesday. but, given the track record here, is this where you're looking? and where you think, realistically, people who care about this should be looking? at states and local city councils to see real change. >> we have 20 metro areas where half of black people live. and 75% of black people live in -- sorry -- 75% of black people live in 100 metro areas. so absolutely. president obama is right that we can do a lot at the city and county level. he knows that, of course, from his time in chicago when they had a real problem with cops torturing folks. and they had to fight it at the city, county, and state level.

that's where the reform should come. now, let's be clear. there's a lot more that needs to be done. we have to transform public safety. there are a lot of officers. i think you see it in that rayshard brooks shooting, who have been poorly trained and, worse, have a sort of authoritarian streak. where the most deadly thing you can do is, frankly, to disobey. there's a -- there's a criminologist named phil goph that studied a while ago that the most deadly last word uttered by people who have been shot and killed by the cops is the epithet for the lgbtq community that begins with f. if you insult an officer's masculinity, it should not be deadly. a taser should not be reason to shoot. we have officers that are poorly trained. and, frankly, their mindset seems to be that the most important thing is that you obey me and respect me. and, while those are important things, if you're going to kill us if we don't, well, then, you

probably need a different job. >> yeah. we're going to do a whole segment on training a little later on in the program because i think that's so important. let me go, kimberly, to what's been happening at the white house. essentially the rep on the sunday shows today was hud secretary ben carson who says when he looks at the shooting in atlanta, not so fast. i want to play a little of what he said on fox. >> i think this is a situation that is not clearcut, you know, like the callous murder that occurred in minnesota. we don't know what was in the mind of the officer. when somebody turns around and points a weapon at him, is -- is he absolutely sure that that's a nonlethal weapon? you know, this is not a clearcut circumstance. >> essentially, echoing what we saw yesterday from the head of the georgia bureau of investigation. not clearcut. he was saying let's be patient. maybe that gives us some clues to where the white house may be right now. but what do we know about what

to expect on tuesday? and where the white house is on police reform? >> yeah. there's not -- there's not a lot of information coming out of where the white house is on police reform. i want to start off with the point that the -- the community leaders and police reform advocates who i've spoken to have really criticized that exact approach to police reform, which is identifying and figuring out, on a case-by-case basis, the bad apple syndrome, if you will. and really pointing to the fact that this is a systemic problem that needs systemic solutions of the type that we have been talking about since the top of the hour. and that ben identified and that takes place mostly on the local level. but at the top, at the white house, you're going -- we already know that they're -- they have rejected the idea of qualified immunity, which is one of the few federal approaches that you could take from -- from the top. that would make police officers potentially liable to families

if they do unjustifiably kill individuals. but we do know, of this white house, that, in the last week, the acting secretary of homeland security, the white house national security advisor, and others within the white house, have said, on the record, to reporters, that they do not believe that systemic racism is a problem in policing. so, if that's the fundamental world view that the white house is coming from, i don't expect to see some sort of wi wide-reaching reforms that get to systemic racism. that leads to the kind of issues that you're having with policing of black people and why we still see so many people getting shot. so i believe that there will be some actions taken tuesday. but it -- it -- i don't think it would please the people on the ground, who are speaking reeeki reform. >> yeah. i mean, i wonder, though, if there isn't somebody in the re-elect, who is looking at what's happening on the ground. and saying, from at least a

political perspective, if not a moral one, from a political perspective, that people are responding to the fact that day after day after day, they're hearing story after story after story. former snl star coming forward to say he had a knee on his neck after police stopped him while jogging. we've got a video of that. again, police told him he looked like somebody they were looking for. a suspect they were looking for and he said he only got released because he's jay pharaoh. i mean, you can google him. you can see who he is. you can see his resume. so i mean, you have, obviously, the horror of men killed. the everyday encounters that black men and women have to face. and the fear we now hear being so openly expressed by parent -- parents. so i guess, i'll just go back to that. kimberly, is there no one in the white house or in the re-elect who understands the breadth of the impact this is having across america? the polls certainly show it. >> well, if they do, they're not

expressing that. again, they're saying that systemic problems, racially-motivated problems, do not exist. you have the president, himself, which is his chief, both, political advisor and his own policy advisor. saying, while he expressed dismay at the killing of george floyd, is pressing for more policing in communities. he wanted to send military response against protestors. and he has always been seeking to increase, since he campaigned, he -- he said that he would send federal troops, federal law enforcement, into cities like chicago. he wants to see more cops on the street. he wants to see stronger policing. he wants to see, in his own words, domination. so he is coming from a completely different policy view than what you are seeing for people who are calling for reform. which sort of sets the two sides. so, he thinks that stronger policing is the way to go here. >> ben, i'm being told we're out of time. but i just want to -- go ahead. go ahead. >> yeah.

look. i don't think there's reason to hope for much from trump. his pattern has been, for decades, he will either deny that he's a racist. or he will double down on his own racist behavior. or, he'll do both, in the same sentence. and i think we will -- we should expect more of that. this president's quickly going to come to a place where he either is going to have to shift dramatically to try to hold onto swing voters. or he is going to have to double down on his racism to try to move as much of his core base out as possible. and i fear it's going to be the latter. and i only fear it, not frankly because of the harm it does to our country and the way it inflames tensions and we need to stop inflaming tensions. >> ben jealous, kimberly atkins, great to see both of you. up next, we have seen swift response from local leaders in atlanta after the shooting of rayshard brooks at the hands of police. but is this a sign of real change? or is this just for this moment? we'll talk about that and broader efforts on police

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today, in atlanta, a coalition of civil rights groups is calling for criminal justice changes, including passing a hate crimes bill and deescalating tensions around protests. it's the kind of pressure that police departments and mayors are feeling, all around the country. i'm joined now by the mayor of little rock, arkansas, frank scott. mr. mayor, it's so good of you to join us. i really appreciate it. look. you ran on a platform of police reform, which is one of the reasons we were happy to talk to you. so let's get specific. when you look at what happened, in the case of rayshard brooks on friday, what is in place, in your city, to stop something like that from happening? or what would you want to put in place to stop it from happening? >> well, as mayor of any city, it's hard to stop anything, from that particular standpoint.

but we have to put preventative measures in place. so what we've done, here, in the city of little rock, is ensure that all our officers are going through deescalation tactic training, understanding implicit bias. we have also passed a citizen review board where our community can share complaints and work with the little rock police department and figure out how to stop acts like we've seen with rayshard brooks, as well as with mr. george floyd. it's not only the citizen review board but independent review of the police policies, procedures, and practices. so that's what we do to prevent what we saw last night, what we saw two weeks ago with mr. george floyd. and what we have all seen across the nation, time in and time again. so what we all have to do as mayors, across all municipalities, is put in the hard work now. so what that does is make sure we prevent what we saw last night and two weeks ago. >> you say put in the hard work now. and there are a lot of places

where people have been trying to make change. and really, before this -- before this outpouring that we've seen on streets of america over the last almost month, there seemed to be little appetite. there seemed to be a lot of pushback. what happened in your community that could be useful in other places who are trying, now, to institute reform? >> well, i think every city should have a citizens review board of some type of independent capacity. that's number one. every city should be employing deescalation tactics and implicit bias training. every city should have some type of executive order, which we'll be forwarding ourself, as it relates to banning chokeholds and other such tactics to prevent what we saw with mr. george floyd. the things that we saw with mr. rayshard brooks. so we all have to do the hard work now. and to seize this opportunity. time out for all types of compromise. it's time for change. and that's what you are beginning to see with many mayors across the nation is forwarding more and more chan

change-breaking policies and procedures. >> let me play a little bit of what your atlanta counterpart, mayor keisha lance bottoms said, just after the videotape of the shooting of mr. bottoms surfaced. >> while there may be debate as to whether this was an appropriate use of deadly force, i firmly believe that there is a clear distinction between what you can do and what you should do. i do not believe that this was a justified use of deadly force, and have called for the immediate termination of the officer. >> do you believe this was not a justified use of deadly force? what went through your mind when you saw that videotape? >> when i saw that videotape, it definitely pulled at my heartstrings to see yet another black man die. so from that standpoint, again,

we, as mayors, have to do the hard work to put policies in place to prevent those types of actions as we continue to move forward. again, policy is what changes what we saw with rayshard brooks. policy is what changes what we saw with mr. george floyd. policy's what changes what we see with any black or brown woman falling to the hands of those negligent policies, procedures, and practices, that we've seen day in and day out. so we want to make sure we continue to do the hard work as we move forward. and again, every mayor should be doing what we're all trying to do right now is continue to push more and more public policies, to prevent the actions that we see day in and day out. so we don't become numb and we continue to move forward to see a brighter day of community policing in 21st century community policing. as i continue to put my heart out to mayor keisha bottoms and what she's doing in her city. >> i don't know if you had a chance to listen to the segment before it was ben jealous, and he was talking about the void that has been left in leadership. he says, by the president.

you are a surrogate for joe biden. you were, in fact, an earliy supporter of his. is joe biden saying enough in the wake of the killing of george floyd? is he -- is he helping to fill that void strongly enough? >> well, at this point in time, vice president biden's definitely demonstrating leadership. the leadership that we need in our country right now. every leader should be focusing on three things. justice, equity, and racism. what can we do to heal and hold those accountable, from a justice standpoint? so we can heal and hold our land accountable. what are we doing to forward change as it relates to equity and equity policies? and what are we doing to denounce racism and making it a part of the culture and fabric in the united states. and that's what we are seeing from vice president biden. and that's the type of leadership we need to continue to see as we move towards our future together. >> let me ask you, quickly, as we're watching the president get off of the plane at joint base

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the coronavirus from dr. anthony fauci. asked when things might finally get back to normal, he told the uk newspaper "the telegraph," quote, i would hope to get some degree of normality within a year or so. but i don't think it's this winter or fall. we'll be seeing it for a bit more. meanwhile, officials in tulsa, oklahoma, are expressing concern over president trump's planned rally in the city this saturday. the city's health department, director dr. bruce starr, said he wished it would be postponed saying he is concerned about our ability to protect anyone who attends a large, indoor event, and that includes the president. cdc guidelines that put the event in the highest-risk category because it is indoors and the crowd could be up to 19,000. joining me now is dr. patel, msnbc medical contributor, physician, and fellow at the brookings institution. let's start if we can, doctor, with dr. fauci's premise.

normalcy is not coming this fall or winter. do you agree? >> i do, chris. and it's, primarily, because we won't likely have a vaccine that's available to all americans, as soon as this fall or winter. and, on top of that, i think the treatments which while we're making some advances, still won't have kind of a breakthrough drug, if you will, to prevent the coronavirus by this fall or winter. even, on an optimistic day. >> so we're all trying to figure out where we are. and i think the hope, or if you're president trump, the expectation, was that summer and warmer temperatures would mitigate, if not largely eliminate, the major threat of the virus. and yet, we're seeing arizona, texas, florida, are reporting their highest number of cases yet. so, what's going on? >> yeah. we did, in the beginning, think that this virus could be like other types or similar viruses. even the common cold, chris, which you can see kind of the seasonal effects.

but, remember, seasonal doesn't mean it goes down to zero. so we do think that the humidity and the heat can help a little. but what you're seeing in the southeast, as you mentioned, in the south and southwest, really hot climates in particular is really the effect of the fact that when the coastal states went into their lockdown, we really didn't have any travel into these areas. and as we've reopened, we have had an influx, as well as an eflux, of cases that have now caught those states somewhat by surprise. >> yeah. it almost seems like some officials are kind of throwing in the towel. i want to read something from "the new york times," doctor. quote, for states with growing coronavirus outbreaks, some officials have arrived at the same conclusion. the rise in infections is unfortunate but inevitable. we are not going to be able to stop the spread, said dr. kara chris, the arizona state health director, and so, we can't stop living as well. what does that mean for the future of this virus?

>> it's unfortunate because we, certainly, don't have to throw in the towel. and this isn't public health versus, you know, the economy. the economy or living and just getting on with somewhat a new normal will only be benefitted by actually having health. in arizona, as you just mentioned, chris, they have some of the biggest problems because they haven't even achieved the levels of testing or tracing that we need. and those are, absolutely, things that we can have some effect on and see a way to keep this virus at bay. and have it be less infectious. this virus only listens to laws of physics, kems stchemistry, a biology. but we have kind of made it worse, by throwing in the towel or abandoning the things we can do to control it. >> yeah. and i guess, the question, then, is how do you get back? because, beyond what officials are saying and in states that have been careful, i do wonder if the genie's out of the bottle. i mean, it does seem that, after being in lockdown for all these months, a lot of americans have

had this little taste of freedom. you know, as masome of the lockdowns have ended. and they want their freedom back. here, in new york, governor cuomo was, at one point, praising new yorkers at his press conference yesterday. but then, he retweeted this video that we're seeing here. it was a kind of street party in downtown manhattan, and he wrote don't make me come down there. but the fact is, it's not just new york. we are seeing scenes like that all across the country. so what can be done? >> no, you're absolutely right, chris. i can't think of a single community that i'm aware of, where people are just not frustrated, myself included. we all want to try to get out, and just enjoy the fresh air. so let's start with that. number one, try to do as much as you can outdoors. we do know that makes a difference, which is why holding a rally, of any kind, indoors, is not the best choice. number two. i actually think this is really just kind of simple. people feel like they are being forced to wear masks.

it's a choice. but it's a choice where, if you can do this and keep a physical distance, you can actually do things, like sit down outdoors in a patio. try to enjoy company with another family or set of friends. that brings me to the next point. socializing. our mental health will suffer. so if you have a loved one that you just haven't been visiting, because you've been trying to wait, you need to think about the risks. and if those risks are that you could go a year without seeing that person, and that is unacceptable. then, you need to talk honestly about those risks and you may need, for your mental health, to be able to do that. but all of this should be done safely and, also, being aware of how and when you can get tested, if you do need to get tested. many americans don't even realize that they can get curbside testing, pretty easily, usually free of charge. and knowing those things will help protect you to get to a new normal this year. >> yeah. i actually got tested this past week. was in and out, just like that.

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and training overall. as the investigation into his shooting continues. a little over 24 hours ago, we heard a plea for patience from the georgia bureau of investigation. >> we want everyone to see what we have seen want everyone to s we have seen in this case. i would ask for patience. i don't want anyone in any circumstances to rush to any form of judgment. it's very easy to do in these cases on either side. >> while we have seen the gbi video and at least six angles now, and we see brooks at one point asking the officers if he can lock his car up under their supervision and walk to his sister's house, which he says is a short distance away. i can just go home, he says. soon after, police try to cuff him, which then escalates into his death. why did it happen? joining me now is captain sonia pruitt chairwoman of the national black police association. i am so appreciative of you being here because as we watch

this, over the course of 45 minutes or so of interaction, at what point or points do you see officers could have deescalated this situation? >> thanks for having me. so at the point where you're having a conversation where the person says hey, is there an option for me to just walk home? i think that's an option. i think sometimes as police officers, often times as police officers we get stuck on what we always do or what the procedure is instead of really taking a look at our relationships and how we're building those, even in the moment. >> you know, that's almost exactly the point that the brooks family lawyer made this morning and i just want to play a little bit of what he told our ali. >> why couldn't he just have been sent home? he looked like he passed most of the field tests to the public.

he wasn't slurring in the videos. he was polite. he explained he was at his daughter's birthday party. why not tell him to uber home. that can save so many people in the society that can save these police officers, that can save the public, just have empathy and let people go home sometimes. you don't always have to put cuffs on someone. >> that encounter was peaceful until the attempt at the arrest and i want to talk to you about some simple sort of deescalation tactics, simple changes. i was reading about how a north minneapolis where the training was they talked about instead of giving out, say, tickets so there would be confrontations over broken taillights, they give vouchers to fix the lights, instead. how many violent confrontations could be deescalated with simple common sense approaches like that? >> i tell you, really and i like what you just offered as far as citations are concerned, but

what we could really do is treat each individual like a human being. that's what we could really do. what's happening here is the objective of people. i have to say it the objectiv a objectivication of black and brown people. we could talk about deescalation and use of force. we can talk about even in this situation how these officers were trained in the use of the taser but at the end of the day what we are seeing over and over are encounters with black people that end up in tragedy where we are not seeing the same thing in white communities where by a white citizen might do the same thing, the same actions, the same type of suspect, yet, they get to walk home to their loved ones and their families and that's what is unacceptable. >> yeah, how do you fix that?

because one of the things that really struck me as i watched that video was the delay, a couple of minutes before they even gave him first aid. i mean, it was the similar kind of thing we all saw with george floyd when it took them awhile to make that second call and to say we have a serious situation here, there is in some cases what seems like a causalness about what has just happened. obviously, you don't want to get to this point, but how do you change that? how do you begin to change those attitudes? >> yeah, the first thing we have to do is stop being in denial. it like the lying eyes syndrome. we're not seeing what we're seeing and experiencing what we're experiencing. you spoke about the object of someone like george floyd ands

toed him on a gurney like he was garbage without checking for a pulse. we have officers picking up shell casings whether than attending to the person who was shot. that is one of the first things that you should do after you have taken any type of force, any type of deadly force, you have to check and see what the welfare of the person is. we can do some things. the national use of force standards are great. having a database to track officers involved in misconduct. that's great, too. what we have to do is put human in this thing and that we have to call on our police chiefs, our commissioners, our d.a.s, our leblgted ocelected official their part. i'll say especially black chiefs of police and commissioners because they understand what is at stake here. this is 24ir cois their communi grew up in. they should know what is going hon and how to handle it and stop riding the fence.

>> yeah, we've seen so many of these things escalate from sleeping in a car from a $20 bill from playing with a toy gun in a park. thank you so much. really appreciate your time, your knowledge and hopefully, we'll talk again and we'll be talking about things that have started to change. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. that will whereat thirap it. next is kasie hunt joined by bubba wallace so stay tuned for that. have a great night. ned for that have a great night this is my body of proof. proof i can fight moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. proof i can fight psoriatic arthritis... ...with humira. proof of less joint pain... ...and clearer skin in psa. humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation

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