s protect skin. the gillette skinguard. hey there. i'm joshua johnson. good to be with you tonight from nbc news world headquarters in new york. fury over what happened in the floyd case to focus on what should happen now. now atlanta has another reason to be furious. it's one city with demonstrations against plate brutality nearly three weeks after mr. floyd's death. the gbi is investigating the kill of rachard brooks. an officer shot him as he ram away from an ep counter. he died by homicide from organ

injuries. he was shot in the back. he fell asleep in a wepdy's drive-through line. the police tried to arrest him. this shows him firing the taster at an officer. that officer fired the fatal shot. many atlantaians were already upset over george's elections. the lack of ballots did not produce turnout. democrats cast nearly a million votes, about three times more than they did in the senate primary. georgia and the nation are oh opening. the u.s. has more than two million confirmed cases and over 116,000 known deaths. the number is climbing in

arizona, texas, and florida. reporting highest counts yet. federal officials remain cautious if not downrights worried. dr. anthony bourdain said it could be another year to get back to normal, whatever normal might look. let's go to morgan cheskey. morgan, what do you see now? >> reporter: well, the people have come back out, joshua. oh with saw crowds seeking shelter here. time and time again as the storms have come through, they have shown that they want to be here. they want to stand outside of this wendy's where the fatal shooting took place on friday and they want to say that chant, no justice -- no peace.

especially after the death of mr. brooks was ruled a homicide. we know the presence will be remaining here likely for some time. this wendy's was lit on fire last night. there's a $10,000 reward on who set that blaze. any sign of massive protests have yet to be seep. hundreds, if not thousands of people shut down the interstate last night. there was no serious escalation. in the meantime we have seen fallout happen as a result of this shooting. the chief of police here in atlanta resigning on saturday. the officer who pulled the trigger fired the other officer involved placed on administrative duty. today we're hearing from the district attorney who said to anticipate charges against one or both of those officers. those charges being either manslaughter or murder.

he wouldn't give an exact timetable to expect that but he said by midweek. aside from the pain they're feeling, that gives them some hope that justice will be served in this case that only exacerbates the pain of the black community here in atlanta coming just weeks after the death of george floyd in minneapolis, something that everyone here has rallied around to fight racial inequality. >> thank you. let's continue taking stock of where things stand right now. joining us to discuss that is the vice president of atlanta's chapter of the ncaa. and paul bulletler, a former prosecutor and msnbc analyst.

what do they want to see done? >> yes. the association has been investigating this case from the very up sepgs. we want to see charges against these officers because we leave they violated the law here in georgia. we've been part of the protests. on the 15th day of the protests we had this shooting against mr. brooks. we want both officers to be terminated immediately. >> any particular charges you're looking for? murder or something else? >> murder. based on the code here in georgia, it was clearly murder. the force use fd was not -- i believe itself as a classic case of murder under the georgia statute. >> morgan chess ki asks the dekalb coup from term order the police had to this say.

>> when you go through that video, what goes through your head? >> it's just a legitimate fight, a legitimate use of force. in one particular case downtown, they rer to that taser as a deadly weapon. up here, it's not deadly. but it truly is deadly if it's not used by a trained individual, it's deadly because a trained individual knows where to aim. the taser becomes deadly when an untrained individual uses it. >> professor, what do you make of that rational? >> it's tumg from a police union. police unions stand in the way of reform we need. they fight every effort at transparency and accountability. they defend every officer no matter what the circumstances. in this case we know the police are only allowed to use deadly

force if they're trying to save their life or the life of someone else. it's hard to be threatened by someone who's running away from you who you shoot in the back. three bullets in the back. three bullets in the head for sleeping. originally, the officer came and said just move to the parking lot. but when another officer arrived, the situation escalated. he told police my sister lives a few blocks away. if you were a white man, the encounter probably would have ended there. instead we see this trablg deescalation. at the end the officer shot mr. brooks. he said i got him. like he was playing a video game. >> i've never find -- fired a

taser, but it sounds -- i'm not in law enforcement but that sounds like a tall order. >> it is. again, officers are trained when they use their tasers. it's not deadly force. it's an alternative to deadly force. if they really wanted to calf this bad guy, they could have called for backup. they could have gotten a helicopter. there's no need for this encounter to have this tragedy deescalation. >> tell us more about the neighborhood where this took place. what's the relationship like there between police and the public? >> i was just down there in the neighborhood and they've had incidents with the police before, so it's not a very good interaction between law enforcement and the police and so that's why you see the level of protests at the wepdy's and you're going to continue to see

sustained protests. i think what's incumbent upon the nation to understand is this is not the first incident of police brutality in atlanta. it's the 18th in fulton county, the 15th with the atlanta police, the seventh deadly shooting. started with ahmaud a bring and escalated with brie onna tarell and now our friend raja shad. they want change and they want it now. in particular in that particular police zone. we're hearing the calls for justice to hearing the calls for change. they want policy change and they want it now. they want the officers to be terminated and charged. one has been terminated but desk duty is not sufficient for the other.

we think he's an sesry to a mushed. >> this investigation, at least so far, has seemed to move fairly quickly in terms of releasing the video, an officer being fired. we got some preliminary autopsy reports. tell us what should be going on at this point in the legislation? ideally, what's happening? we hear the district attorney wants to bring charges around the middle of the week. >> this district attorney is considering possible charges. he said he's looking at murder, fel felony mayor, involuntary manslaughter typically is lighter that murder, obviously, the most serious crime. the district attorney is reviewing the videotapes. he he wants to interview the officers to find out what their defense would be.

most likely it's that their use of force was justified and reasonable. sometimes that's a winning defense. one different between laen and mams is the jury pool. in minneapolis, which is 80% white, george might be more trusting of poapst cops in atlanta a predominantly. jurors might be tougher for the defense and more prosecution minded in a case like this. >> with regards to the charges, felony murder would be murder kmited in the course of another crime. in this case it would be aggravated assault or something like that. gentlemen, thank you both for talking to us. much preach it. joining us is democratic senator mark vesey of texas. his district includes parts of

dallas and fort worth. congressman, good evening. >> hi, joshua. >> involving the they'll be you're co-sponsoring. >> yes. >> would any of those things sprented rachard prooks's death? >> i think it would. i think it would send a tomorrow in states and the local laurlt officials that they would need to clean up their act or they can be held accountable. this bill would hold them accountable from a criminal standpoint and from a civil standpoint by getting rid of yin menuity which police have. >> with regard to some of that sheelgd, new york recently passed police reform legislation, including unsealing police misconduct records.

how much of this effort do you think states need to lead and how much of it should congress lead? >> we need to see sweeping federal bills. i don't think there's any question about this. look at where we see inns departments of police brutality and justified killings happening. they're happening in mvp, texas, two states that are political opposite as far as being a red state versus a blue state. yet they're oh occurring and it's black men who are being victimized. by vlg a federal standard, i think that would be good. i do think -- i was in the legislate your before i was in congress. i think the state legislate you yurs. i worked on a lot of these issues and our state really does have a lot of work to do.

we're really behind here. by a federal standard, it would make us catch up and it would make other states to catch up. >> where do you see the most common ground, real ifgly for bipartisanship here? >> i think that we're going to see a lot about bipart shan shore. we need to end chokeholds. i think transparency. i think we need to work on transparency and bringing more transparency like databases so you can follow whether or not police has committed crimes or abused people in other states so they can't go from different states or different towns from job to job. i think that, you know, that

there's one of the opportunities for us to perhaps work with republicans on immunity and holding police departments accountable for when they do use deadly acts or when they brutalize citizens and we'll hold them accountable. right now there's nothing that can be done. when you see a police force settle with the family of someone that's been wrongfully killed it's often just because the police want that problem to go away. it's not because there was any course of action that could take in the law. >> right. >> and that needs to change. kevin mccarthy says he supports a chokehold ban. president trump was in texas on thursday f thursday. he did not meet with the police chief, the district attorney, or the sheriff who are all three

black. do you believe that this administration can help bring about the kinds of reforms you want to see? >> i'd like for them to bring about the type of reforms that i'd like to see. i don't thy president trump has in it him to do reform. he's just really sort of vaguely talked about police brutality, police shootings, the incidents. he hasn't gone into specifics about what he would do but i'm hoping that republicans in the legislative bramplg and the house and senate can put pressure on him, because if you can see by poles, the public is moving in the direction of hey, we need to do something about this. now that these incidents are being video and it's not a individual's word but it's a policeman's word, you're

starting to see some of these things that are really a problem. this is a problem for black men in this country. i hope they'll put pressure on the president. i don't think he has the cool. >> congressman, thanks for making time for us tonight. >> thank you, joshua. "i can't breathe" became a rallying cry after the death of eric garner six years ago. eric garners mother joins us next. to make up. miles to the job site. the campsite. and anything else we set our sights on. miles that take us back to the places we want to go. and to the people who count on us. so, let's roll up our sleeves. because we've got miles to make up.

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. you are looking live at the upper deck of the san francisco bay bridge, the westbound pan that heads back into san francisco. this is a protest blocking traffic on the bay bridge. according to kn tv, a rolling caravan of vehicles started around 7:30 p.m. eastern time. this is just west of the mid point of the bridge.

the middle of san francisco way is treasure island. this block average that you're looking at now is between treasure island and the landing in san francisco near at&t park. it's one of a number of protests taking place. interstate 75 and 85 right near did wendys 18 lanes blocked. every state has seen protests against police brutality. some have made changes or made plans for reforms. on friday, andrew cuomo signed a bill makeing choke holds illega. eric garner told the police "i can't breathe" and he, like mr.

floyd, was ignored. that symmetry was not lost on governor cuomo. >> how many times do you have to see the sail case before you do something? how many times? this was eric garner, it was amadou diallo. it was the same case over and over and still no change. and mr. floyd's murder, god bless this country for standing up and saying enough is enough. eric garner did not die in vein. sean bell did not die in vein. it took -- it took a number of lives, unfortunately. it took a number of injustices, unfortunately. but each one was a part in getting to today. >> eric garner's mother gwenn carr attended the bill signing

ceremony and joins us now. ms. carr, welcome. >> thank you. >> how are you doing these days? are you ok? >> yeah. i've been exhausted but i'm ok. celebrating a little bit of progress. >> what do you think of the policy changes we've seen lately? there's been a lot going on in the last few weeks? do you like what you see? >> yes, i do. i like seeing the protesters out here because we have to do this to bring awareness that there are problems in the u.s. and this is the only way we're going to get attention, although we have to do more that get attention. we have to get those bills signs like i got the eric garner anti-chokehold bill signed and the families in new york got the 50 a, the stat a.c. and the prosecutor. that's a step in the right

direction, although we need to do more because we have to stop these killings. >> 50 a is the law that allows police records to remain private. that has changed. as we continue looking at the pictures from san francisco, that's the san francisco side to have bay bridge rather than oakland. i wonder, ms. carr, when you saw the protests over george floyd's death around the country including the pepper spray and plastic bullets. when did you know this was knot a moment, it was a movement? >> exactly. and that's what we have to be. a movement. a moment is spontaneous. a movement is strategic and we have to be in a movement, because if we just go away and be quiet, same thing is going to keep happening and happening. just like as we protest, we see another yuck man life taken in atlanta.

it's just that it never stops. it's too much deep seated racism and hatred. >> now that new york has passed this bill named for your late son, what more would you like to see happened? maybe something to prevent more mothers from going through what you went through? >> yes. even though we have these bills passed, now we have to hold the legislators' feet to the fire. we need accountability. it's not going to work unless you hold them to the fire. these police officers have to stand accountable for their misconduct. >> before i let you go, i think what you went through with your son is the worst fear of black mothers around the country. i've had this conversation with my mother and don't let the trappings of all this, when i'm in the street i look just like george floyd. for black mothers across the

country tonight who are afraid for their sons, what can you say to them? >> well, i would say, you know, just hold your children dear and we have to pray a lot. we have that fear of that when they leave, we don't know if they're coming back. when we say this to the white counterparts, they don't understand because they're reality is not our reality. we have to pray for our sons' life once they walk out into the street. so please, please. we have to try to get more legislation. >> gwenn carr, the mother of eric garner, ms. carr, i really appreciate your time. >> thank you for having me. >> another hurtle for transgender people in the health care area. we'll explain just ahead. stay close. plain just ahead stay close tions

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i hope this goes without say. it is not cool to ask a trans gender question probing questions about their bodies. what's under their clothes ain't none of your business, not unless you're the doctor and they asked for your help. transgender people face enough mistreatment, including in health care. that was an obama rule. the trump administration on friday reversed that rule. sex discrimination is still illegal but sex will no longer include jenlder identity. this goes on the wave of trans women being murdered. it includes support for protecting black transgender people. rosemary catchum was the first

to be elected to the city counsel. dannica rome became the first openly transgender official. they join us tonight. good evening. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> before we dive in, may i ask what pronounce should i use? >> she and her please? >> and rosemary? >> same. >> what's the reaction been like in wheeling, west virginia, to your election? >> it's been quite the experience for sure. we rap a very humble campaign near the city of wheeling on very local issues and to get this much national attention, it's been really, really fun for our city. >> dapic cannica, what have thi been like for you? are things changing positively, is there a long way to go?

what's it like? >> we've made so much change between the city to the commonwealth. we've now enrolled 424,000 people. we raised teacher pay by 3%. the issues i ran on is now complete. we're going to find the funding to get it done. when i look at it, the progress we nate on lgbtq, it was -- we passed so many lgbtq bills this year it's hard to keep them straight. but one my friend deborah rob ips filed. we knew the trump administration was trying to strip away the rights that we just saw from hhs

friday. we've dealt with that so that if you were on a virginia health care plan, basically one that is regulated by the state, which about 22% of plans, you cannot be discriminated against on the count of gender identity. one of the big things we did in virginia as being the 38th and final state to enact the civil rights amendment. this is a moment that we can say that discrimination on account of sex up hermt by must include jemder identity and sexual orientation. >> rosemary, i was going to ask you that as well. what is your primary concern, rosemary in how that will affect transgender people? >> i am absolutely appalled that this president would remove transgender protections during this week, no less. i ran for office so i could

reflect the values of my community and the actions of my leadership. i just wish our president had done the same. honestly, i'm a mental health professional in wheeling and mental health resources are so rare when it comes to the lgbtq community. it saddens me to know that there may be trans folks or lgbtq folks throughout the country that need support and now may not be able to receive it. >> this week, dominique fell, remi, dominique fells was found murdered. a statement reads in part" as thousands take to the streets to proclaim that black lives matter it is commit cal we include black trans people. the crisis that we cannot afford to allow to persist any

further." rosemary what would you like to see done about this? >> well, it's so very important to remember the power of intersectionality and especially for vulnerable communities when there are layers of identity there, we have to really take that into account. in regards to law enforcement, we need comprehensive education in with regards to the lgbtq community. i can't tell you how many times i've spoken to law enforcement just in my own community who are completely unaware about trans folks and the needs both the medical needs and mental health needs and the complications in regards to housing, trans folks inns cars race. education parties so much. we just need law enforcement to be open and willing to take those suggestions. >> briefly, dannica, what about you? there was a so dartd all black

lives matter, is this the approach you'd like to see or is there something else done? briefly before we go. >> in order for lgbtq equality to be here, it must be up front. we must have racial justice for our needs as lgbtq people. spaerl when we see the horrific murders of young trans people. i had to cover one of those. i know what it is like to hear on the other end and my skin tone or if rosemary's skin tone is a little different and we lived in a different area, we my already hit our life expectancy at this point. it is so critical that we remember, as we are pursuing

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we're keeping an eye on protests across the country including on this rainy night in atlanta after the shooting of rachard brooks. they're establishing what they call autonomous zones, areas where the police are not present and in some cases, not at all welcome. it's happening in washington. that happened after officers vacated a precinct monday night.

since then this police free zone that peaceful as far as we can tell. it also has irtatd president trump. he's tweeted about it this weekend including multiple times today. ron hill yard joins us with the later. vaughn, set the scene for us. what's going on? >> reporter: joshua, i think it's posh to take into context. this is day seven of the six blocks being occupied by protesters. it was the police, it was the city that decided to vacate this pine street area. it what we've seen over the course of the week are thousands and thousands of folks from the seattle area descend on this area. when we last talked there was push back to the idea that this area was become like a street festival. you saw among hundreds of thousands of pokes people wanting to be here and show

support. but what we've seen was the last two nights this really becoming an organized effort. here is the east precinct. the police precinct that was abandoned by police earlier this week. now our photog is going to pan over to the left and show us where a crowd has congregated. this is one of two different areas where large groups of folks have been present. there's programming now the last two nights. i should say i think this is about the most diverse six blocks in america right now. you're reaching a community that has one gathering down the road. up diblg in us folks from several tribal groups were performing and speaking here. this is a dirvets tone here this weekend here in seattle right now. josh joshua. >> vaughn, what happens next in this? >> we haven't seen the mayor or the police chooefs since

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america has been focused a lot on in equity with police shootings and with covid-19. coronavirus remains a factor as states continue to reopen. the nation's case load is still increasing especially in some states. arizona is seeing a big spike in cases. by our account, cases are up significantly in texas, california, and florida. according to "the new york

times," states have a tough choice to make. rekindle their economy at the expense of public health, let's discuss it with our msnbc's contribu contributor dr. ashid shah and dr. gupta. let me start with you dr. gupta, what do you think should be the next step for states that are experiencing their highest case loads yet. >> josh, thank you for the question. it is a tough question becau because -- the shift in the seattle, we have an icu now that has medical surge capacity.

there is no ability to take more patients that may be critically ill with covid-19. we don't have it. this is really a place in which public health experts like dr. fauci and others need to be guiding policies both in terms of thought leadership and in terms of talking about what are the met i carics that matters. do we need to implement quarantine or social distancing or reimplement lockdown or do certain cities have to go back to hunker down. that decision we have to make. there is a lack of appetite to do wa we did hat we need in mar. we need to think of wayings we can model best behaviors and hope that americans will follow

best practice. >> dr. shah, "i hope to get some degree of normality in a year or so but i don't think this winter or fall, we'll see it a little bit more." is that how you see it? >> that's how i see it unfortunately, joshua. i wish that was not the case. the bottom line is i often say we are in the 3rd inning in a baseball game. we have a long way to go. if everything is super smoothly, next spring, life will begin to get back to normal. normal will be different before. we can't wish this pandemic away. we can't with the opening up that we are doing act like the pandemic is gone. it is with us and will be with us for a while. >> what do you expect we'll see this summer. the coronavirus itself does not

survive as a readily in summer conditions and otherwise, may be the slow spread of covid-19 or kind of enough to make a difference? >> i think we are finding this is not seasonal. reopening right now and texas, and california and florida are experiencing a rise in cases. warmer temperatures does not bring a reprieve, leadership at the state level is not bringing reprieve. the funneling messaging at the state level. we need messaging that's the opposite. we have president trump talking about essentially giving consents to those individuals of 300,000 in tulsa. they're going to come back to haunt us and going to result in an earlier wave that we are

anticipating. >> we found that people in more than 450 counties are spending more time in close proximity to each other. it is summer after all and it is not unusual. how do we keep people safe from gatherings and some are dying to gather together and getting cabin fever because of coronavirus. >> yeah, i am sympathetic to the idea that people don't want to be locked down anymore. i don't want to be lockdown n anymore. we all want to get out. more safely is gathering outside. i agree with dr. gupta that summer is not a big reprieve. some days being outside is safer than being inside. wear a mask. data is getting better everyday about wearing a mask. from a state policy point of

view and also ramping up testing and tracing and the federal government stepping up and show some leadership on this and we put it together and we can get a lot of our lives back. if we don't do any of those things, it will be fine for a few weeks until the surge and we'll be face with much appetizing choices including having to shutdown. >> dr. ashihi, and dr. gupta, thank you very much for your time. >> thank you for making time for us on msnbc. up next, join joy reid for her special poverty and the pandemic. i will see you back here live at 11:00 eastern and 8:00 pacific tonight. until we meet, stay safe and see you at 11:00. we'll get through this. good night. good night

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good evening and welcome to our special american crisis, poverty and the pandemic. at this moment, we are a nation in turmoil with protests against police violence sweeping across major cities and a rising death toll due to covid-19. we'll focus on another element of this turmoil. the pandemic's devastating impact on american poverty. 38 million people live below the