good evening. i'm joshua johnson, and nbc news world headquarters in new york. we are continuing to follow a developing story out of atlanta. the georgia bureau of investigation is reviewing the killing of 27-year-old rayshard brooks. he died friday night after a scuffle with police officers, one of whom shot him as he ran away. tonight, the medical examiner announced that rayshard brooks died by homicide from organ injuries and blood loss. he was shot twice in the back. according to atlanta p.d., brooks fell asleep in a wendy's drive-through line. officer apparently tried to

arrest him for dui. the georgia bureau of investigations says that brooks took an officer's taser and f d fled. this surveillance video from the wendy's shows brooks firing the taser erratically at an officer chasing him right there. then the officer fired those fatal shots. joining us now to discuss it is reporter malen walker of "the atlanta journal constitution." marlon, good evening. >> good evening, how are you? >> i'm well. the autopsy basically confirms, i think, what we see on that video. what does that mean for how this case moves forward and how the city deals with the case? >> you know, everybody keeps talking about the decisions that the fulton county district attorney's office has to make right now. it's just a matter of hearing from them what they've decided and, you know, how things move forward over the next few days. >> what about how the city as a city deals with the case, the residents of atlanta? what's your sense of how this affects that? >> you know, there's a lot of

gathering right now. there are a lot of people who are still looking for answers. i think every time you have a situation where a black man is shot by a police officer, especially when it's done on video, there's an opportunity for more calls for reforms. that's happening here, obviously. and the continued hunt for the answer of why video recording isn't enough. and that seems to be the overwhelming discussion that's going on today. >> yeah, it's kind of amazing how much video there was of this. even if you look at that surveillance video from the wendy's, at the moment where the shots are fired, a few seconds after that, you can see people who were in line, those cars in the drive-through, pull into parking spaces and then people get out of their cars and start shooting video with a tremendous amount of presence of mind, i might say, of the police officers kind of surrounding rayshard brooks' body and beginning to process that scene. now that location has, as we

mentioned, become the site of a growing protest. what is your sense of what has been drawing people to this wendy's over the last few days? it feels like the emotions there and the rationale has kind of evolved in the last 48 hours. >> you know, it's just become, as they always do, you know, oftentimes we see the stuffed animal the and ts and the flowe mark scenes where terrible situations have taken place. this is just an opportunity for people to gather and mark the loss of life and i think at this point because of the pandemic, it's forced people to be a little bit more aware of what's going on and gathering has just become a great way of showing support and solidarity and seeking answers. >> marlon walker of "the atlanta journal constitution." marlon, thanks for making time for us. >> thank you. >> let's continue now with andre dickens, he's an atlanta city council member at large.

councilman dickens, good evening. >> hey, good evening. how are you? >> i'm well. thank you. what was your first reaction when you learned that atlanta's police chief was resigning, that the officer involved in rayshard brooks' homicide had been fired, and all within the span of about 24 hours. >> well, first, i was crushed at the loss of life. i'm a black man here in atlanta. my hometown. and to see someone lose their life, to be shot from behind, over a routine traffic stop, i thought this could have been de-escalated. so i was hurt and then i was also hurt not only for mr. brooks' family, to find out that he has three kids, to find out he was planning a birthday party, it reminded me of myself with a daughter that i plan events for and i'm thinking about all the thoughts that were going through his mind and through his family.

now those have come to a halt and now they're planning a funeral and thinking about the over and over and over replaying of this incident in their lives. so, you know, that hurt me right now as a city councilperson, it makes me want to do more, but it hurts me as a human, as a father and as someone who really rise for my city, just seeing people trying to get a meal in the line to see this carried out this way. it see officers take this to that extent. i was devastated. and so, yes, our police chief has resigned. she was a great woman. led our police department, but i understand the rationale behind this decision. change must come. >> now, fulton county's d.a., paul howard, says he hopes to have a decision on charges against officer garrett rolfe soon. what is your chance on charger? >> yeah, i think the d.a. has a tough job in this case to be able to determine what to charge

him with. i do believe that we could have had a situation where an investigation into mr. books to find out, you know, what's going on, where he is, versus a shooting, could have been the case. once you have an individual's car, once you've determined that he is, indeed, intoxicated, there's no reason to pull out a service weapon and to shoot at him. i know others will see it as he turned around with a taser. i think that that was not need for you to take his life or to fire a gun at him. so now what does the d.a. do? the mayor and the police chief have done the right thing by firing that officer, but now to serve charges, is it manslaughter, is it murder? those are the things that are in the days to come as the d.a. decides what to do with this

case. >> our nbc affiliate in atlanta, wxia, is reporting that this officer, former officer rolfe, had just completed a training course in de-escalation. he also took a course back in april in cultural awareness. in january he passed a course that is called "use of deadly force." so, if he did all of this training, why is rayshard brooks dead? >> yeah, that's the question that i wrestle with. one thing about the atlanta police force, we have a police department that reflects the citizenship. atlanta has a large amount of african-american officers, women officers, lgbtq officers. officer training is, you know, beyond what any other department has. i think they get fantastic training and they get retraining. but you know what, we can't out-train some things that are biases, and i don't know what went through mr. rolfe's mind

before he fired that weapon, but i know what goes through the minds of people across america when they have implicit and unconscious bias that has led them to believe that the incident that they're dealing with is bigger than it is because it is an african-american, whether that's a job interview, whether that's a loan document, whether that's an altercation with officers. we've seen it time and time again. hopefully our training, hopefully the conversations -- we have the national center for civil human rights here in atlanta that every officer gets trained by and they do a fantastic job, but, and i thing it think it's worked out in a number of incidents with police officers. de-escalation has happened. right now, it did not happen in this case and justice must be served for this family, this city to heal, and this nation to heal. unfortunately, mr. brooks and his family are bearing the brunt of an unfortunate devastating

situation we wish on no one. so going guard, my council colleagues, a number of us were out there today at the protest. and a number of us have been talking to residents and community members over the last few weeks as we've been dealing with all of these things across the nation. and we have some policies coming out tomorrow at our council meeting. eight can't-wait policies and things related to our citizens review board that will improve and enhance citizen input in officer-involved excessive use of force. >> eight can't wait is a national campaign that's been making headway in a number of cities in terms of eight measures that are kind of a starting place for improving as they see it the way that police departments use force, train officers, or work on forms of de-escalation. i know that some cities have also passed new laws on use of force. they've -- some of them have talked about pulling money from their police budgets, this call to defund the police may be shocking to some, but it may be shocking to others that it hasn't happened already. what is your sense in terms of

what atlanta city council should do, for example, on funding for atlanta p.d.? do you think that the funding should be reduced or removed? >> yes. so right now, we are right in the middle, like, the 11th hour of our annual budget setting process. by june 30th, by constitution, the city of atlanta has to come up with a budget for the next year. for everything. from parks to police. and this is happening in realtime. and conversations are being had by the 15 council members and council president, along with the administration, about divesting from some police activities and moving those into community policings, into special service programs. things that bring about healing in the community and ways that we can provide opportunities for african-american low-income communities to thrive versus to be under law and order. and so those conversations are being held right now. we're not going to do away with

police. i know the value of the atlanta police department to making sure that we have the protect and service nature of the police when there's incidents that so many times they come to great aid and great support. but at this time, if we're looking at this budget, i think there's some opportunities for us to see some ways that we can divert funds from one pot into another pot that can provide some help and some healing and so that's going to be an ongoing realtime very fast conversation between the administration, the police department, and the city council. again, we're not looking to defund the whole police department. but it's really to realign and to reassess everything about the way we do policing. i'm calling for a review of every training manual, every training procedure, and every current standard operating procedure that we have in the police department of atlanta and

what i think the methodology for doing that is that the police will have to -- whether it's through their law department, other things, will have to defend every line of code that is in the standard operating procedures to be able to say, this is justifiable. this is necessary. and we and citizens and other organizations like naacp, aclu, et cetera, say, yes, indeed, that does make sense and that's necessary. >> briefly, before i let you go, what do you want from atlanta's next police chief? is there one thing that is just drop dead nonnegotiable for you? in terms of who runs the atlanta p.d. next. >> i think that we need to have a police chief that serves the community as if it was their own family. to look at everyone as human. as fully human. to make sure that you protect everyone in each incident and serve everyone in every case throughout the day. to train officers. to raise these officers. and to provide opportunities for

officers to learn and have professional and personal development that they need. to push us and every entity in atlanta to see officers as human, to give them opportunities, to have mental health checks every six month because they're on the front line. >> yeah. >> to rotate officers in and out of particular posts. but to also communicate well with the citizens of atlanta. to communicate well with the business community. and to make sure that the first encounter that individuals have with police is not on the wrong side of a lethal weapon. that they have a lot of nurturing and responsible communications and community policing. that we do have a fair and honest conversation with citizens. each and every day. so that we learn each other and know each other well so that we can de-escalate situations like this before they occur. >> that's atlanta city council member andre dickens. council member dickens, thanks for talking to us. >> thank you. thank you, all.

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breonna taylor, george floyd, rayshard brooks. just a few of the black men and women killed by police in recent months, at least ones whose names made the news. those names and many others are on signs that protesters have been carrying across the country for nearly three weeks. they're demanding an end to systemic racism and demanding changes in how police departments operate. elected officials on both sides of the aisle are also calling for change. here are republican senator tim scott of south carolina and democratic congresswoman karen bass of california. >> the question is, is there a path forward that we take a look at the necessity of eliminating

bad behavior within our law enforcement community? is there a path forward? i think we'll find that. >> you know, at the end of the day, you know, legislation is always about compromise, but i am extremely hopeful this time and the pressure is on us and i really feel we're going to act and the conversations with my republican colleagues even at our first hearing have been very positive. >> joining us to talk more about these potential changes are joe ested from police brutality matters and former nypd detective mark claxton who's the director of the black law enforcement alliance. good to you both with us. mark, let me start with you. where would sweeping changes in police departments across the country even start with the understanding that we're not just talking about changing laws and case law and customary procedures, we're also talking about departments that have thousands of closed contracts with cities and counties and states that are in force right now that include disciplinary

procedure. so where do you even start? >> well, i think you start by recognizing and acknowledging that there's a police culture that has in large part become toxic and become antithetical to justice equally applied, fairly applied justice. there's very problematic. you also have to avoid minimizing the situation as tim scott just attempted to do there where you talk about the misconduct of police or bad behavior by police as opposed to talking about criminal conduct. talk about civil and human rights violations conducted by law enforcement as a whole. so you have to know -- identify what the problem is, specifically, and i know earlier we spoke about the issues of training and tactics, but, no, that's not the first place you have to go to is training and tactics. you have to deal with the

institutional systemic racism and bias and the toxic police culture that exists and work from there. >> joe, where do you think they should start on a local level in atlanta? what would be step one, in your mind? >> that one is a start on accountability. we for a long time in the low-income community, poor black community, have seen these incidents happen for a very long time. and it's not that they're not getting disciplined or the police is not aware of it, they're just not being held accountable. we can look at from eric garner, to tamir rice, we can look at officers who have a history of bad policing. in some instance, taxpayers have already paid out on their bad policing. law enforcement just haven't figured out the way to actually address bad policing. so when we -- we're good at

identifying what the problem is. we see it. we can go all the way back to rodney king. like the detective said. there's no question asked that we have a problem, but we need to start figuring out how to fix the problem. so in my book, i started giving recommendations on how to fix bad policing. we need legislation. the police department have not been able to police itself. that's been day one. we have not been able to police itself. here you have officers with histories of bad policing and they're still on the job. so, we need legislation, we need to take the discipline of police officers away from the police department and actually make it legislation. make it to where when officer commits a crime, he gets prosecuted. we don't -- we don't see that in police. >> one of the things that a number of elected officials including new york's governor andrew cuomo has been talking about that d.a.s shouldn't be the ones who are investigating police because they usually work side by side, marq. now you have republicans and

democrats acknowledging they would like to see changes to police reform with different things that they focus on but generally they seem to be in the ballpark, but we heard the same thing when we saw tamir rice playing in a park and a police car pull up and shoot a little boy before the car had stopped moving. we heard that when trayvon martin was killed. we heard that when eric garner was choked out. we heard it when tamir rice was suddenly shot. we heard it when walter scott was shot in the back and the taser was planted near his body. we've heard it over and over. why should we believe that it will happen this time, marq, or should we? >> i tend not to be that much of a pessimist. i believe that -- now because of the emotional impact and what i think the nation sees as its personal investment in the sanctity of human life. and i think what happened to mr. floyd in minneapolis really

tricked the consciousness of a diverse and wide range of group of individuals. i think it's happening now because there's a playbook to go by. there are suggestions. recommended. that were made in the previous administration that are part of this 21st century policing model that are being re-spro deuintrod modernized, if you will, with additional changes. i think it's happening now. possibility it will happen now because of the movement that occurred on the streets. the demonstration, the public demonstrations, the activism, that continues to this day. the response and the demand. and the fact that there are individuals willing to say disband the police because it's broken, it's a broken system. with individuals who say, defund the police, perhaps. so there is -- it kind of forces the conversation.

it forces governments, individual institutions, to at least at the very least address these issues. i think that's what's different about this moment and there is a tremendous opportunity that i hope we don't squaunder by getting caught into tactical or training conversations. >> joe, to that point, regarding the opportunity, i think that the fact that some people are saying disband the police means that they're ready to say, you know, we've been asking f inini long enough, to quote the president, you're fired. we're tired of asking you to do the right thing from now on. if you were in charge of police reform on a national level, especially in communities where people are like, we're done waiting for you to do right, what would you advise them to do now to seize this moment with the understanding that they may not get another chance. >> right. i would definitely advise them. see, we've been fighting this battle about how to correct policing for a long time. now we have an opportunity because of this incident, everybody's watching.

so what i would do is i would explain, having a rollout plan like i did in my book of state legislation because that legislation proposal that they have is a federal, that's not going to do anything for these local jurisdictions and state officers. so we would have to understand pretty much have a good communication with the community, let them thouknow, o we have a problem, this is how we're going to address the problem. i would definitely, definitely just go out and explain and push an agenda of accountability. here's my new legislation bill. state legislation bill. so when officers no longer can actually stand by and allow officers like you see with these incidents, they'll get crimin criminally charged. there will be mandatory sentencing. i've heard time and time again working with officers, don't worry about it, the taxpayers, they'll pay the tab. the taxpayers shouldn't be paying the tab for bad policing. bad policing has cost the taxpayers over a billion dollars

in tax payout. our police, like a doctor, like an attorney, to go out and get insurance. that's a requirement of the law enforcement certificate. if you keep getting hits like any insurance, you can't afford your premium, you can't actually become a law enforcement officer no more. that take s you wrighright out game. we have to be real careful what we ask for when we start talking about police reform. we can't get so emotional that we wipe out policing. we still have criminal elements we still have to address. with no police -- with no police, who's going to handle policing a community? still, we got to be smart about how we attack this problem. >> and marq, before we go, where would you start in communities where people have said, enough is enough, this is your last chance to do right? >> the structure and the complexion of those particular agencies, i think if we're going to start on the lower level and we avoid dealing with a national

response, if we're going to deal locally, then you want your department to be more reflective of the community in which it serves, you want your police officers to have some buy-in to the process. you want to change the dynamic and minimize the impact of tox ic police culture. discourage the mentality of us against them. have to demilitarize your police agencies and have to redistribute or reallocate the funding away from the hea heavy-handed militarized enforcement and shifted to community related, community-based programming, conducted by professional police officers because i believe, quite frankly, that police -- you have part social worker, part psychologist, you got part, you know, interventionist, if you will. >> right, right. >> social worker.

all these things. important for us not to -- but it pick up and assume more responsibility but focus on the community-based problems. >> dallas' former police chief talks very eloquently about how police officers are asked to do everything from marriage counseling to dog catching so if that's going to be the scope for the responsibility, then some officers say they would like to be better equipped for that. joe ested. marq claxton. gentleme gentleme gentlemen, we appreciate your time. thanks very much. up next, we'll take you to atlanta where residents are making their voices heard. we're live in atlanta and across america here on msnbc. your bank can be virtually any place. so, when you get a check... you can deposit it from here. and you can see your transactions and check your balance from here. you can save for an emergency from here. or pay bills from here. so when someone asks you, "where's your bank?" you can tell them: here's my bank. or here's my bank.

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because they never quit. we're continuing our live coverage here on msnbc. let's get a report on the ground in atlanta. joining us now is reporter from our nbc affiliate wxia 11 alive in atlanta. faith, what do you see? >> reporter: yeah, josh, we're

on university avenue right across the street from the wendy's where the officer-involved shooting happened friday night. across the street as well we see police officers in formation getting ready to respond to any situation that might arise here at the scene. across the street here, specifically, we're at this business because this is one of the businesses that was damaged during the protests overnight here in the atlanta area. across the street, again, is the wendy's, but this business is a black-owned business. it's the package store, a liquor store here, in this community, and they've been here for about two years under this ownership. the indian and black ownership. and they told us when they got here this morning they saw danl damage to their windows. a lot of the windows were blown out. after eight hours of work here, the restoration team has been able to put up all these boards you're seeing here on your

screen. and the owner told me that he spent $10,000 just to board up the business so far. nothing was stolen inside. there was no looting but, again, the protesters were able to throw things at the windows and damage that overnight. so we spoke with one of the workers here as well and he was telling us he lives in this community. he's worked here for a couple of years now. he understands the frustration of these protesters. he was here just across the street when this shooting happened on friday night, so he gets it. however, it's also sad to see a business where he gets his money to pay his bills damaged the way it has been and they have been closed for the last two days. >> very quick, faith, before i have to let you go, the scene that we saw, the first night, the first 24 hours after the shooting death of rayshard brooks happened, was so intense. they set the wendy's on fire. they blocked i-75/85. the downtown connector. 14 lanes of the highway all

blocked in both directions. we can see the scene from yesterday when they set the wendy's location on fire. they were throwing rocks, bricks, some kind of object at the police cars as they were kind of taking off. it took firefighters a while to be able to even get to the wendy's. it seems like things are much calmer now, at least, in that sense but certainly as fervent in terms of demanding reform, does the mood seem like it's kind of relaxed a bit or are people still on edge that there could be some more property damage? >> reporter: well, i can only specifically speak to this area where we are which is across the street from where the officer-involved shooting happened and this evening because of the rain, we had a heavy downpour this evening so it's sort of dampened some of the protests here. a lot of people had to take cover. as several businesses in the area and then after the rain

moved through, they were able to come back, gather in front of that wendy's and just basically milled about for a few hours and now they've moved out of the area. only a handful of protesters who are there across the street right now. so i would say compared to yesterday where we were on the air until about 2:30 this morning, things are much, much calmer and, of course, the frustration is still there. there's anger there. there's sadness there. >> yeah. >> reporter: but in terms of what we saw yesterday, protesters taking their anger out on businesses like this one, we haven't seen anything like that today, josh. >> that's reporter faith abubey from "11 alive" wxia in atlanta. faith, thanks very much. the shooting death of rayshard brooks has intensified the debate about police departments and their use of force. next, we'll ask the director of the aclu of georgia what she thinks should happen in brooks' case and what should be done with police reform. our live coverage continues ahead. sit tight. how about no

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we thought you can help ray bring hiwhat?s to school. kelly, do you know him? -he's a new friend. you ok? you know you can tell me. i'm ok. oh, i trained her in the car. she's not gonna break. [ laughing ] we're continuing to follow the news out of the atlanta area surrounding the death of 27-year-old rayshard brooks. protesters gathered for a second night, peacefully. brooks' death is adding new fuel to the already fiery debate over police brutality. joining us now is andrea young, executive director of the aclu of georgia. andrea, good evening. >> good evening. >> what was your initial reaction to rayshard brooks'

death? >> i was stunned, you know, i said, not in atlanta, this can't be happening in atlanta. in a city already grieving from the deaths of ahmaud arbery, of breonna taylor, of george floyd and, of course, the covid-19 pandemic which has hit the african-american community here very hard. and we grieve with the community and with the family of rayshard brooks. a father and someone who will be missed by so many and it's -- you know, it was just with really disbelief that i heard this had happened. >> what role do you see the georgia aclu playing in trying to bring justice for rayshard brooks and trying to make policing in atlanta more just in

general? >> yes. well, you know, when the -- we've been -- we were involved with the ahmaud arbery situation before it became a national story. when the protests started after george floyd's killing, after a few days we saw the protests were going to continue, we put out a call for legal observers. we've had over a thousand aclu members and supporters to be trained as legal observers and they're out daily with the protesters. and we -- this is a very fast-moving situation and we've got to act. our political leadership has got to make decisions that go beyond reform, that result in the structural change of divesting from putting so many resources into an armed response to problems and invest more in

community solutions for things like homelessness, things like mental health crises, things like substance abuse. this was not a situation that even warranted an armed response in the first place, and we've got to have alternatives to that in our communities so that every single person in our community can be -- can feel safe. we've got to re-imagine that public safety is more more thth police. >> yeah. >> public safety is a community response. >> briefly, before i have to let you go, how does georgia begin to heal from all of this? what's step one, before i got to let you go? >> well, we've got to come together as a community. people from all walks of life. i was on a call today with young activists, people in their 80s from the civil rights era. so we got to come together across our community and agree that we can work together. we are atlanta. we can set the pace and show what a revisioning of public

safety looks like. so that this kind of thing is inconceivable. >> yeah. >> in the future. this affects all of us. >> andrea young, the executive director of the aclu of georgia. andrea, thanks for talking to us. >> thank you so much. when we return, we will hear from fulton county district attorney paul howard, now that the rayshard brooks autopsy results are in. we'll find out more about pressing charges and where the investigation goes from here. that's ahead.

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everything you need, are you getting full cooperation, from the atlanta p.d.? >> yes. we have everything that we need to make a decision with the medical examiner's report repo is one other technical formality that we hope to cross and that is a formation on the ballistics in this case. we need to make sure, since there are two officers, there are two guns involved. we have to make sure that the projectiles found in the body of mr. brooks actually came from one weapon or two weapons. we need to get that finalized. once that is done, that will complete all of the things that we need to make a decision in this matter. >> what -- can you just remind our viewers, in this case, there

was a taser involved. mr. brooks apparently seized the taser, and that ultimately led to this shooting death. is there any legal justification for the use of force in such a situation? >> well, in -- there might be a circumstance that might allow one to be justified, but the question that we have to answer is at the time that the fatal shot or shots were fired, whether that officer fired those shots to save his life, that officer based upon a reasonable officer would feel that his life was about to be taken or that someone else would be seriously harmed or killed. but if the shot was fired for some other reason, then it is not justified.

>> so if in fact your assessment is that he fired these shots without such reasonable fear, what would he potentially face in terms of charges? >> there are three potential charges that we're looking at now. one would be the charge of murder. which in georgia involves an intent to kill. the second charge is the charge of felony murder, which involves a death that occurs as a result of an underlying felony. in this case, that underlying felony would be aggravated assault. the other charge we're considering is voluntary manslaughter. those are the three charges we're currently considering. >> and does it matter in your kind of deliberations, do we know if mr. brooks fired the

taser, is that relevant to how you think about this? >> i think if you are looking at the videos, and we've looked at several videos from several angles, and if you look at the distance from mr. brooks back to the officers, if we look at what the officers knew about that taser, then i don't believe that the taser plays the prominent part that many people have talked about. what you have to figure out is, whether or not a reasonable officer would feel that his life was actually in danger or about to be harmed at that time. and that it's what our analysis will be based upon. >> i'm sure for many reasonable people, the concept of somebody

running away from you raises questions about that. can you talk a little bit more broadly about cases like this in atlanta, throughout your career. is this the kind of case you've prosecuted frequently? do you find you have more support from the community recently to prosecute these? what kind of pressure do you feel around these kinds of investigations? obviously, this is an incredibly high-pressure and high-profile moment for you and the work that you're doing right now. >> well, since the time that i have been district attorney, and i've been district attorney since 1997, i believe this would be the 39th case that we've prosecuted involving police misconduct. i think it would become the, either the eighth or the ninth case that involved an actual homicide. we've never had any real problems with the community

because before we started prosecuting these cases, what the community said is, they wanted police officers prosecuted when they perform some act of misconduct. and before my administration, that had simply not been done. the pressure we've received has been the pressure from the police union. they've criticized my office at every turn for prosecuting these cases. they have called every prosecution a political prosecution. but what we continue to say is that we will examine the cases. if the officer performed an act that would be considered not justified, we move forward. but if the officer did nothing wrong, then we would also explain to the community that this officer should not be prosecu

prosecuted. >> all right, paul howard, fulton county d.a. thank you very much for your time tonight. i know you have a very busy week ahead of you. >> a busy week indeed, in which we expect to hear from the family of rayshard brooks sometime tomorrow morning. and just before we went on the air, president trump tweeted, many democrats want to defund and abolish police departments. how crazy. all caps. thank you for making time for us on msnbc. until we meet again, stay safe, stay sharp, and, yes, we will get through this. good night.

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