this is them attacking donald trump on his reopening and try to highlight what they will argue his deficiencies in the way he's handled covid-19. they plan that assault over the coming weeks, but it'll start this week. >> how are they going about it? are these things that we're going to see on television, in commercial broadcasts? is this an online approach? what's the biden campaign's main means of communicating this message? >> it's still very much a virtual campaign, which is in stark contrast to what donald trump is doing. so they're going to be doing virtual surrogate events, press corps, things of that nature. you're not going to see big campaign events from joe biden in the physical world yet. >> jonathan swan thank you as always this morning. i will be reading axios in just a little bit. you can sign up at axios.com.

i'm yasmin vossoughian that does it for me. "morning joe" starts now. i want to talk to the trump supporters for a minute. what is his campaign about? he's a race baiting religious bigot. you know how you make america great again, tell donald trump to go to hell. if you can't admire jobe e bides a person you have a problem. you need to do some self-evaluation. what's not to like? he's as good a man as god ever created. he's said some of the most heart felt things anybody could say to me. he's the nicest person i think i ever met in politics. this is a defining moment not future of the republican party. we have to reject this demagogue demagoguery. if we don't, we have lost the moral authority to govern this great nation.

>> the new ad from the group republican voters against trump. the ad is set to run on fox news in charlotte, north carolina, washington d.c., greenville, south carolina. that's lindsey graham's home state. good morning and welcome to "morning joe," it's monday june 15th. with us we have white house reporter jonathan lemire, host of politics nation and president of the national action network reverend al sharpton. nbc news capitol hill correspondent and host kasie hunt. and political analyst robert costa, the moderator of washington week on pbs. unrest in atlanta this morning after the fatal police involved shooting of a black man in the parking lot of a wendy's

restaurant. one officer has been fired, another on administrator duty. plus a spike in coronavirus cases in several states, arizona, texas and florida reporting their highest number of cases yet. amid criticism president trump moves the date of his tulsa rally from juneteenth to june 20th, quote, out of respect for the occasion. >> kasie hunt, you work capitol hill, you think there may be a little bit of discomfort in the lindsey graham camp this morning? the ad really makes every argument that joe biden and his campaign team would ever want to make, and they make it from one of donald trump's closest allies on capitol hill. >> his own voice. >> yeah and in a very -- you can hear the sincerity in lindsey graham's voice. when i first started covering capitol hill, joe biden was

still in the senate. and he, as lindsey graham lays out there, has always been one of the most well-liked and personally respected people in washington. and, you know, one of the things that i think the biden campaign has done well, and we obviously talked a lot about the primary about the doubts how things were going and a lot of hand ringing and hemming and hawing, but they have been running all the way along with the message of basic decency, that is the message that the campaign is putting at the forefront. they are saying we're going to return to normalcy and decency and that lines right up with the person that their candidate actually is. you can't ask for anything else than that. if you're trying to get someone elected. if you're a campaign official trying to work on someone's behalf. joe, lindsey graham's situation is interesting. i'm skeptical that any democrat

could win in south carolina in that senate race but he tacked so close to president trump over the course of the last year because he was so afraid of this primary and people are really turning against the president here in the final months of this campaign and he actually does have a credible democratic challenger in jamie harrison, a former aide to jim clyburn. we haven't heard lindsey graham talk about this but there are things he said that caught my eye in terms of whether he's politically shifting here. it's a very interesting ad for a lot of reasons. >> bob costa, the trump campaign has spent so much money trying to vilify joe biden and going off of the script of 2016 where they knew they were -- had an unpopular candidate who wasn't liked by a majority of people, wasn't respected by even close to a majority of people, seen as

not honest and not trust worthy by the overwhelming majority of americans so they decided to destroy hillary clinton, who proved to be an easier target than joe biden is proving to be right now. they understand they have to destroy joe biden. it may not be as simple this year to destroy their opponent as it was four years ago. >> that's right, joe. it's because the fight now for the trump campaign is not just against the biden campaign. it's also against that group of never-trump republicans, the lincoln project. what you see here with this lindsey graham ad is an attempt to soften president trump's support among traditional republican voters because you have a traditional republican, a conservative in lindsey graham, there's not an expectation that jamie harrison, the democrat in south carolina is somehow going to get a sudden lift. he's a strong candidate for the democrats in had the south, still a tough race for the democrats.

but the democrats look at the map and look at not just south carolina but georgia and texas and florida, and think if some republicans can stay home, maybe think about voting for joe biden this entire map could change and they see the numbers changing in many of the polls. >> many of the polls. and jonathan lemire this weekend for the first time, joni ernst fell behind the approval rating dropping in the five years she's been there to her lowest numbers. and a democrat leading in iowa. private polls show donald trump falling behind in iowa. you look at montana and you have governor bullock running his first adds. of course really bad news for republican senate candidates in arizona, in colorado, in maine. north carolina is going to be a real challenge for them.

you have an article out this morning about the problems that these senate candidates are having running with donald trump and we're looking at joni ernst too promised to be this tough, conservative, independent voice going to washington d.c., time and time again we've seen her embarrass herself by going to town hall meetings and not being able to just tell the truth about donald trump's failures. >> joe, first of all, you'll see i got the memo about the tie to wear today. >> very good. >> look at you guys. >> we look great. the conversation dove tails with the article we have out this morning tha about the dilemma some republicans are facing, how closely do they embrace president donald trump with just five months until they face

re-election again. susan collins in maine are creating more distance. those are the ones the white house are watching closely. president trump posted about the fierce closeness with the republicans. but they're watching for cracks in that, and senator graham is one. they're seeing -- they want to watch republicans who don't have to face the base right now. don't have to face just primary voters for a little while trying to create distance and i saw lindsey graham speak out for general milley who spoke out about the photo op two weeks ago. president trump sent out a letter demanding loyalty, he doesn't want a break in the resolve they've had, thinking

that will show a sign of weakness headed into the summer and fall re-election campaign. but joe you are right there are warning signs across the map for republicans right now and president trump in particular. senator ernst is down in polling. the president is neck and neck there with joe biden in a state he won comfortably. there are warning signs in other states, ohio, georgia, others and, of course, the map of battlegrounds seem to be expanding including a place like arizona where there is a democratic candidate ahead in the polls and the president knows at this point he's losing. if he loses arizona he loses the entire map and puts more pressure on him in the rust belt. we have more politics ahead but let's get to the latest on the coronavirus. the death toll this morning is at nearly 117,000 americans and the fear of a second wave is now a reality for many parts of the

country. for weeks health experts warn once states begin to reopen a surge in cases will follow. thousands of americans have been sickened by the virus in new and alarming outbreaks. according to the "new york times" as of saturday coronavirus cases were climbing in 22 states, particularly in the sun belt region and the west. over the weekend, florida saw its largest single day count of cases since the pandemic began. the state of oregon paused its gradual reopen due to a spike in cases. hospitals in arizona have been urged to activate emergency plans to cope with a flood of coronavirus patients, as the number of cases there have climbed by nearly 300% since may 1st and have roughly doubled since memorial day, according to cnbc. officials in texas also say hospitals are scrambling to accommodate a surge in cases

with numbers swiftly rising around the largest cities, including houston, san antonio and dallas. meanwhile, the tulsa city-county health department, the director, expressed concern about covid-19's increasing spread in the city and said he wishes president trump would postpone his campaign rally set for this weekend to a later date. it's supposed to take place there. according to the tulsa world dr. bruce dart said the city is seeing a, quote, significant increase in case trends that makes a large gathering like the rally dangerous not only for attendees but the president himself. officials reported 225 new cases of covid-19 over the weekend. marking a new high in daily increases for the state and tulsa county. so far president trump's re-election campaign declined to comment to nbc news on what, if

any, guidelines from the cdc they plan to enforce in tulsa after making supporters, who signed up to attend the rally, agree not to hold the campaign liable if they contract the coronavirus. >> bob kcosta, time and again yu had the president complaining watching images of people marching in the streets saying if they can do that why can't i hold my rallies again. >> this is a significant challenge for the white house in the coming weeks. you hear white house officials and advisers to the president over the weekend that they are blaming mexico and the border for some of the cases around the border of this country, the sun belt. yet at the same time the president is holding this rally in oklahoma. and if the president wants to blame mexico in the coming months and wants to blame protesters for the black lives matter movement and others protesting racial injustice, he will also have to contend with a

fact that he is holding mass gatherings himself. >> yeah, and i'm wondering, did the west point cadets have to click on a disclaimer because about 1,100 spent two weeks in quarantine so the president could deliver the commencement address to the class of 2020 on saturday. the event sparked concerns about the president's own health, particularly this moment over the weekend where he cautiously descended a ramp during the commencement speech at west point academy. the exit, might have gone otherwise unnoticed but the president brought more attention to it after he tweeted late saturday night, the ramp i descended after my west point commencement speech was long and steep and had no handrail, and most importantly was very slippery. the last thing i was going to do is fall for the fake news to have fun with.

final ten feet i ran down to the level ground, momentum. there's no indication that the ramp was slippery on a clear sunny day. he also raised questions during his speech after taking a moment to sip the water with his right hand but needing further assistance from his left. >> jonathan lemire, we don't know about his health care. a lot of people talking about the president's health. we'll leave it to the doctors for that. but it is images like this and even his speaking ability, or lack thereof, during this again undercuts their argument that biden is a dottering old man and they should elect somebody with more energy than joe biden when clip for clip, stumble for stumble, donald trump seems to be right in line with joe biden

or in my -- >> way out front. >> -- in many cases, even worse. >> that's right, joe. certainly the matter of a president's health is of great importance to the american public. there have been some questions about the information reported and president trump's previous physicals. but you're right, we'll leave over others to speculate what was happening on saturday. we know the president often appears cautious when he walks on stairs and ramps. and, of course, he can't let any slight go so he had to tweet about it and calling attention to it. i like the ending, any tweet or conversation with the world momentum. in terms of politics of this, the trump campaign for months now has been trying to suggest that joe biden was not up for the job. both candidates are in their 70s. trump and his allies suggested that biden lost a step, and done

so not subtly, we've seen it in web ads and clips all the time. but it is harder to make that case where we see video like this, where the president himself is having momentary stumbles, lapses in -- looks straining for a word or whatever it might be. and i think for -- i talked to a republican aide over the weekend who, you know, made a point of pointing out joe biden when he spoke last week in philadelphia had a moment like that where his talk trailed off and the trump campaign itself blasted that video out to the followers. but he had to acknowledge it's harder to make that argument when you have these clips going around the media the same weekend. >> he wanted the photo op and visual speaking to the cadets but he got these moments. i still question having this

event. forcing these cadets to come and stay for with weeks to interact and stay together at an event. it's dangerous and unnecessary. and the president once again is pushing for a photo op over people's health. moving on now we're seeing outrage and anger in atlanta over another police involved shooting of an unarmed black man. according to the georgia bureau of investigation, 27-year-old ray shad brooks was fatally shot outside a wendy's restaurant after two police officers responded to a report of a man sleeping in a vehicle in the doctor drive-thru. we want to warn you the video of the incident might be disturbing. authorities say brooks failed a sobriety test and this police body camera footage shows the struggle that insues as they tried to arrest him. video shows both officers on the

ground trying to arrest him. he was able to grab one of the officers' tasers and run away. security footage shows brooks turning back and pointing the taser toward one of the officers, appearing to fire it. the officer returned with fatal gun fire. the shooting promoted protests on saturday near the wendy's restaurant, which was set on fire. the officer who discharged his gun has been fired. the second officer has been placed on administrative duty. and atlanta's police chief, erika shields, resigned yesterday. according to an autopsy the fatal police shooting has been ruled a homicide. the medical examiner said brooks suffered two gun shot wounds to the back. the lawyer representing the family of rayshard brooks said the officers had other options. >> they didn't have to take this

man or attempt to take him into custody because he was sleeping in his car. he was trying to do the right thing, he didn't want to drive drunk, he was stopped, he was not a threat to anyone. they could have taken his keys, said what's your wife's number, call her, come pick you up. they could have done any number of things. just because you tussle with an officer shouldn't be a death sentence for anyone. >> so reverend al, one expert in the "new york times" told the "new york times" that this was an issue of a situation that police officers call lawful, but awful. at the same time we're here in the midst of these marches over george floyd, this national conversation on police brutality, and just so many questions linger why the police officers shot this man for

resisting arrest and running away with dui. >> in the middle of this national conversation, as you say, where we actually seeing legislation in some states and in minneapolis a whole revamping of policing. it is beyond me to even begin to fathom why police, in atlanta, where they've also had incidents, would take out his gun and shoot at somebody in the back that's fleeing. yes, the man was inebriated, yes, the man had resisted and got into a verbal confrontation and taken one of the stun guns. but there was no threat to this officer's life. there was no life extenuating circumstances, which is what is required to use fatal fire and the man was fleeing. you don't shoot a fleeing felon. and i think the mayor there, keisha lance bottoms did the

right thing by immediately calling for the firing of this officer and i expect he may be brought up on charges i spoke to the lawyers in this case. i think you have to look at it in the larger context of joe that is why we need to deal with real concrete federal and local legislation on how we deal with policing and police accountability. we're hearing the president supposed to make some kind of statement in the next day or so around this issue, which is belated at best, we are three weeks since the killing of george floyd and now the president is belatedly going to come out we're told and say something. it probably will not address the core issue, and that is how do we hold police accountable. it is the best thing for police and citizens. good police. police that work every day and risk their lives do not deserve to be in limbo like this because

you have a president that won't stand up and say this is the wrong behavior and criminal behavior for police. this is proper policing and let's see if we can reconcile the two. without legislation there cannot be any reconciliation. >> in this case, reverend al, the fact he was shot in the back proves that he was on his -- fleeing, not confronting, at least physically at that moment. but also, and i know you're tapped into these cases and trying to help, the police chief resigning, i'm curious if you know anything about that. i remember seeing her in the beginning of all these protests, in the wake of the death of george floyd, walking through the throngs of protesters and listening to them and talking to them and really trying to establish calm and understand more. and in this case now she has abruptly resigned. do we know anything about what's behind that? >> what i'm hearing is because

there's been some incidents. there was the police that really harassed two college students in their car under her watch, there were other incidents that led up to now the fatality in this case that she took the responsibility that the buck stops here and resigned. and i think that many people in atlanta that i've spoken to, although they felt she had made some effort, felt she was not able to change some of the culture that emboldened some of the police to continue to do things that clearly was against rules and probably against the law. >> rev, we have kasie hunt here, of course, and she interviewed mr. brooks' lawyer last night, the family of mr. brooks and she has a question. kasie? >> reverend, as you look at how we try to grapple with solving this problem, it seems this week on the hill, what the president might do, there have been

negotiations with senator tim scott of south carolina. do you see a world where senate republicans and house democrats can find a way to do something that is meaningful enough to get support from people like you and other advocates? or do you think this is all just a dead end? >> the world that we can come together in is a world that we must desire. i remember when i was a kid, you had a world where people, because of the color of their skin, had to sit in the back of the bus. but somehow within a decade they were able to come together and come out with the civil rights act of 1964. that would not have happened if you didn't have republicans like dirkson, and i was a kid, i wasn't even 10 years old and i remember his name. you must have people on the republican said that says wait a minute, this may not be popular to how i grew up, but it is what

is necessary for the nation to grow. where are the everett dirksons that can meet the hubert humphreys in the senate. i think the congressional black caucus addresses a house bill that addresses our concerns, the question is can it move in the senate and can we see some people grow to the moment we're facing like we saw in the '60s. what defined the '60s was the legislation, civil rights act, voting act, open housing act, and that's when the republicans and democrats showed real leadership. >> still ahead on "morning joe," a lot to get to. we'll dig into joe biden's support among women voters and how that seems to be impacting senate races as well. plus eyesore to icon, how the chain link fence surrounding lafayette square is now a living

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joe biden's lead over president trump in national polls may be due to his historic support among women voters. according to a "new york times" analysis of recent polls from may and june, biden is leading by 25 points among female registered voters, a significant increase from his 19 point advantage earlier this year. and hillary clinton's 14 point lead in the final pre-leelectio polls since 2016. gallup said it's the largest since lyndon, 24 points, in 1964. we're seeing the women gap play out in the iowa senate race. there incumbent senator joni

ernst is in a dead heat against her opponent democrat theresa greenfield. only three points separate greenfield with 46% and ernst who has 43% in the most recent poll. the race is tied with both sitting in the polls in a three point margin of error. greenfield leads in voters without a religious affiliation, 52 points. white women out a degree. 31 points. and women voters in the state by 20 points, 54% on ernst 34%. it's amazing. >> bob costa the most shocking number there and the number the republicans should be concerned about as a canary in coal mine for all of these races the races are national, voters don't split

their tickets between senators and governors and members of congress as they used to. the number is white women out college degrees. donald trump easily won that group, that demographic before. now joe biden leads white women without college degrees by 31%. >> joe, i was in iowa with senator ernst a few months ago. she was there with vice president pence, and it was clear that she has enbraced the trump white house as an ally. and she has continued to be an ally for president trump and vice president pence shelves she's in a corner politically. doesn't want to break from her necessarily. they say they're trying to find a way, i wrote about this in the postlast week, trying to find a way to navigate the choppy ways. one way to do it is having her

attack the environmental protection agency, she wishes the trump administration would do more. picking a bit of a spot politically, picking that shot at the epa but never taking a shot ever at president trump, his conduct, his ethics, his political positioning because she feels she needs the trump voters in iowa to come out. this is her first re-election, she was elected in 2014, she will be an example of the nationalization of the republican politics in the trump era. >> you know, kasie, i had said it was donald trump who was losing with white women without college degrees by 31%, it's actually joni ernst which is more shocking. but donald trump has been losing ground with white women without college degrees for quite some time. just that trend among republicans is a real problem. especially in joni ernst you had

somebody -- we ran her ad six years ago, laughing talking about how great the ads were because she was talking about pigs, she was going to take on the squealing pigs in washington d.c., she's going to be tough and independent minded and then you fast forward and she has -- you know, you see her in a town hall meeting where she can't even criticize donald trump for just the most unpresidential actions ever. and it's embarrassing watching her up there. and it's embarrassing to see how much she's kowtowed to donald trump, especially when you contrast that with the fierce independence she promised, never mind the fact she was cutting pork and the federal deficit and the federal debt has exploded every year since she's been up there. >> joe, it's -- she's been tweeting thank you videos to president trump. and the reality is that what has unfolded in the last five or six

months is -- i mean, i -- i -- i'm almost afraid to say this because 2020 has thrown so many curve balls our way,, but it's hard to imagine how things could be worse for republicans who basically made this bed with donald trump, they said anyone who goes against him is essentially getting decapitated politically we don't want to risk it, we're going to embrace him as tightly as we can. and then coronavirus happened and now people are in the streets and frankly, the president's divisive rhetoric is aggressively turning people against him. you're looking at -- there's a poll out of arkansas over the weekend. just one poll, we don't want to make too big of a deal out of it, but it shows the president's disapproval and tom cotton's disapproval moving by 10 or 20 points in some cases. if you're joni ernst, how do you make the decision to throw all of that aside suddenly? the loyalty that this president

demands as well from these candidates puts them in an unbelievably difficult position. if you go out against the president you know he's going to tweet, activate his base against you, you get all kinds of angry emails from the trump supporters that back you. contrast that with how nancy pelosi handled this in 2018 when she wanted to win back the house. what did she say to people running in tough districts, swing areas who were concerned about tying themselves to close to her. you do what you got to do, you win, that's all that matters to me. this president is not looking at this this way. even if he does win re-election over joe biden, if he loses his majority in the senate, i think they're going to go the same way -- if they're going to lose the senate, they're likely going to lose the white house as well, but what a disaster for him. it's yet another example of him and his personality getting in

the way of what would be traditional political goals. that's a huge problem for senate republicans. >> it is a huge problem. they're frozen in place because they're afraid of a mean tweet. and while they're frozen in place, their political careers are going up in flames and they're never going to recover from a loss in 2020 and then a loss where they embraced a man who could be facing a dramatic landslide loss. you add on top of the problem, reverend al of white women without college degrees, which they were supposed to be a loyal demographic for donald trump, you look at what's unfolding every day on television and the white house has been bragging for two years that they were going to get 15%, 20% of the black vote, and you see that evaporate overnight. and suddenly, the trump operation is getting squeezed

right now at least, right now, from all sides. suburban women, college educated women, women with advanced degrees. women without college degrees. black voters of all democr demographics. and suddenly the attempt to thread that needle politically to get to 270 is getting smaller and smaller. the needle is getting smaller and smaller. >> i think donald trump has to learn to -- basic fact of politics is that at the end of the day, you cannot just feed people demagoguery and not serve what they need. if you are a white woman without a college degree or if you are more educated and you've lived now in the midst of a pandemic that it has been clearly established that if he had done what he was warned of in january, we may not have

suffered what we suffered. you have the economic repercussions of that, that you got to live with, then if you're black and you see the problem of racial injustice in the criminal justice system, he can't rise to that occasion and, in fact, tries to use a church and a bible as a prop after he moves nonviolent, peaceful protesters away with rubber bullets and tear gas. on all sides he has not served the interest. and people can be entertained but so long before they say, wait a minute, i need some basic service. i learned growing up in the movement, service is power. entertainment is a good show but good shows do come to an end. coming up, with protests continuing across the country in the wake of george floyd's death, a growing number of cities are making changes. we'll look at the new policies coast-to-coast. plus joe biden's search for

a running mate is looking at a new round of vetting. a look at who's on the vp short list. "morning joe" will be right back.

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"new york times" mark leibovich. where he writes, it was unclear how long the artifacts would remain there where they end up. but a new consensus appeared to be at hand among the protesters, these flags and me moan toes were part of history. they should be preserved and cared for as artifacts in a part of history. tell us what happened along the fence? >> the fence is sort of surrounding the white house. it was there temporarily, went down last week, the fence was removed last week, but think the lafayette area has become a hallowed ground of the protest movement. an area especially around that incident in which the protesters were forcibly removed when the

president had his photo op where people will come -- i was back there last night and it's obviously not an inat the present time protest site but you have tourists coming in or protesters coming in who want to see the place and see what it looks like. it's not what it was a week and a half ago, but you've had a lot of people from the smithsonian looking around at the artifacts, some of the signs around other places of the park and trying to preserve it for various smithsonian museums going forward. they're saying this is part of our history, it will be going forward and this is a moment worth remembering and also preserving. >> it seems, again, eddie, whatever donald trump has tried to do during crisis and the coronavirus it has seemed to politically backfire on him and the powerful scymbals have come out of these weeks, these

months. but also we go back to lafayette park, june the 1st. lafayette park it seems to me will be remembered as the defining moment not just in the 2020 campaign but perhaps of the trump presidency. i commented to a friend this weekend that we're going to be looking back on june 1st for a long time. they're going to teach about june 1st at west point for a long time about what is done and not done. and even donald trump's relationship with the military has been severely frayed over this. >> you know, joe, i think that's right to a certain extent. what lafayette art represented for me at least was the collision of trump's authoritarian tendency with the robust tradition of freedom in the country and e with saw it clearly in the public art. as i watched the fence erect, come up, and i saw people react

to it and i saw the art on the fence, it reminded me of how the berlin wall became a symbol of oppression and what was spray painted on the wall. when the wall came down, what we saw. we saw an expression of freedom over an expression of authoritarian, unfreedom. here in this moment, i think you're right, it's going to be a representation of this collision of a moment where the very norms and preaccepts that have defined our country were challenged and ordinary people responded in kind. it's going to be a really important moment in history, i believe. >> i think ordinary people responded, the military establishment responded. the national guard responded. it is, you're right in lafayette park, there was a collision of donald trump's most autocratic

impulses, collision course with democratic norms and we have seen, at least in many instances, the people's voices and military institutions actually stood up and supported constitutional norms over donald trump's autocratic tendencies. jonathan lemire you have reporting this morning about joe biden's vice presidential selection, the names he's looking at right now. and those names have certainly been influenced by -- those candidates have certainly been influenced by the events of the past month. tell us about it. >> there's no question about that, joe. my colleagues at the a.p. and other outlets have had a series of stories in the last few days of the topic. the process is accelerating. they've had -- the biden team has conducted a number of interviews, looking to personal

disclosures, some of the names we expected. senator kamala harris is near the top of the list, senator elizabeth warren remains there as well. a few surprises, tammy baldwin is in the mix, val demings we know. the events of the last few weeks is shaping how the biden team is looking at this. we know the former vice president has pledged to pick a female vice president, there's people around him, democrats, congressman clyburn, who said in this moment, the protests and those in minnesota have hurt the chances of senator klobuchar but others it may be helping them, val demings in particular, susan rice, former obama administration official is another one who has gained momentum in this stretch. it can't be overstated how important this pick is. i think traditionally the selection of vice president tend to be overrated, perhaps those of us in the media care more than the voters who are going to

go to the ballot box who tend to make their choice on the name of the top rather than the bottom of the ticket. but in this one, joe biden were he to win, being the oldest president to be elected, there are health issues -- there's conversations about both candidates, biden and trump. there's a sense here on needing to solidify this pick, not just for electoral purposes not to just gain a state on the map but to assure. this vice president is going to be seen as one heartbeat away from the top job and the joe biden team knows that. their timetable probably to make the selection in early august, a few days or weeks before the democratic convention. kasie, get us updated with your reporting. >> i think there is definitely pressure on the former vice

president to select a person, a woman of color, considering what we've seen unfold in the streets in the last several weeks, but i will also say i think the person to listen to on that question is jim clyburn, who has the ear of the former vice president and who really guided them through the crucible moment nay had in south carolina. and he said that it's not a must that joe biden do that. i think that's part of why you're continuing to see names like tammy baldwin pop up in this kind of search. and i think the underlying question that jonathan lemire pointed to is a key one. and, you know, one previous example and the point about vice presidential picks maybe mattering maybe not is entirely fair. but the entire team is looking at what happened to john mccain in 2008 when he selected sarah

palin. another election there were health questions raised, there's a feeling he picked somebody that a lot of potentially independent voters weren't willing to trust with the presidency. and given the landscape we're looking at here, it's also, i think, an important consideration to think about selecting somebody that doesn't necessarily turn off independent voters, suburban women, the white women you mentioned without college degrees that seem to be breaking this way. so that's kind of the way in which they're grappling with this question right now. >> so mark leibovich, you've had reverend al sharpton, who was with us and is going to be with us again, you have reverend al, you also had jim clyburn, probably the most powerful black voice on capitol hill both saying that joe biden's pick did not have to be a black woman,

but at the same time the events of the past several weeks certainly put far bigger focus on people like val demings and katherine -- and -- and senator harris, kamala harris, as well as people like susan rice. >> yeah, i think what happens in a case like this is, people might overrate the power of the moment itself. now obviously events are going to dictate partly how the vice president and his team are going to be thinking about this. but ultimately when he makes his pick, that pick will be the pick. and whoever that is will sort of create their own context, reality. and the people will -- the pick will rise and fall on her merits. going forward that will take on a life of its own and that will define the pick more so than any

moment in the news. right now this is an urgent issue in the country and something a lot of people are pointing to. >> you know, bob costa, kasie brought up senator palin in 2008. i'm sure joe biden's campaign team is going to make sure that whoever they pick is somebody who has been tested, who knows international issues, as well as local issues. who understands foreign policies as much as they understand policing. i'm sure they don't want to be blind-sided again by a pick that might momentarily excite the base but cause problems in the long-run of the campaign. >> in susan rice, ambassador rice, you would find someone who had that significant experience on foreign policy, the gravitas in the eyes of many democrats. and you see senator harris, who has the vetting of a national campaign.

she has had reporters like myself and others look at her record. she's been on the campaign trail. you can't undersell the power of experience in a national campaign to deal with the scrutiny of the mead ya and voters. one final note, senator baldwin of wisconsin, i've been covering her for a decade, this is someone who's deeply connected. i've been with her in madison to cover her, the protest politics of madison, wisconsin on racial injustice, gay rights. she's someone if you're looking to connect with the moment, even though she is a white woman, she has a history of protest movements in her politics. it's interesting to see her name rise for that reason. >> i think the two names i've been thinking about for some time, tammy baldwin and greaten whitmer as well along with the other women we brought up. tammy baldwin because she knows wisconsin very well. and will be a very good contrast. and you'll have two

midwesterners and joe biden with his pennsylvania background and tammy background with her background in wisconsin. also gretchen whitmer who came to the forefront of the national scene during the coronavirus crisis, her approval ratings extremely well, much better than donald trump's. that could help lock down a state like michigan. >> i can think of so many great choices, which is a great position to be in and great for women. bob costa and mark leibovich, thank you. still ahead, a look at emerging coronavirus hot spots in the u.s. as fears that a second wave is becoming reality for many parts of the country. we'll go to von hillyard from seattle for reports on what's going on in that city. "morning joe" is coming right back. ♪ limu emu & doug

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i won't say airtight but pretty close to airtight. >> look, i'm not the health expert, but i'm the -- i'm the so-called spike. i spoke to our health experts at some length last evening. they're saying there is no second spike. let me repeat that, there is no second spike. there is no emergency. there's no second wave. >> what? what? wait? >> dr. kudlow. >> have another. okay. my god, what's going on? >> dr. kudlow, the man who told us in that first clip back in, i think it was -- was it march, february? >> it was contained. february 25th. >> that coronavirus was contained, that was nearly a month before the nationwide shutdown. and, of course, kellyanne conway got angry at a cbs reporter for suggesting that the coronavirus had not been contained, 114,000

deaths later, 114,000 deaths after larry kudlow said, coronavirus was contained, he was speaking again on friday saying there are no spikes. that, as health officials warn that the coronavirus cases are actually climbing in 22 states. now part of that, let us hope, is because testing has increased. but hospitalizations are increasing in many states and concerns of health care officials are rising in many, many states. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it is monday, june 15th, still with us we have white house reporter for the associated press, jonathan lemire. kasie hunt is still with us. and professor, eddie glaude jr. joining the conversation is mike barnicle. and cochair of color of change,

heather mcgee joins us this hour. great to have you it. >> jonathan lemire, it appears for larry kudlow and some people at the white house the defining narrative is still, nothing to see here, move along. move along. >> yeah, i was going to go with the frank drebin from "naked gun, standing there nothing to see there. you're seeing the singular focus from the white house trying to zero in on the economy. we saw the jobs report better than expected. we saw the victory laps, perhaps premature victory lap. that's been the messaging, the economy is reopening and picking back up. the president saying i built this economy the first time, we can set aside a lot of that he

inherited from president obama. they seem to be ignoring the growing surge in coronavirus cases across this country in places that perhaps weren't hit as hard a few months ago. we're seeing major reductions in the new york city area, that's great that was the hot spot the last time. but we're seeing the sun belt, places like south carolina, florida, georgia has started to pick up. certainly arizona, texas. the city of houston in particular has signalled they're on the verge of an emergency in terms of infections there and hospital space. seeing the same issue in a arizona. seeing health officials in oklahoma telling president trump not to come this weekend for his rally. they'd be honored to have the president arrive in oklahoma but not right now. the white house there's no national message right now. the coronavirus task force has not had a briefing in weeks

publically. they're meeting privately once or twice a week now whereas before it was daily. it's too early to see if we'll see a rise in cases due to the protests we've seen the last couple weeks. the rise right now appears to be from the reopening. that's a message the white house doesn't seem to want to touch. >> jonathan, briefly. has the white house considered possibly doing an outdoor rally? there seems to be -- >> there's got to be a way to do it. >> -- we have been concerned about the rallies in the streets -- >> the protests. >> -- the protests in the streets and the health care consequences of the protests but they're out in the streets, outside -- >> some are socially distant. >> some are social distancing and a lot of people are wearing masks. has there been any thought of doing what he did in mobile, alabama in his 2016 campaign and holding an event outdoors. >> we did a lot of reporting on

the back story of the rally. to be clear, campaign officials knew that it was juneteenth when they selected that date. they expected some blow back, they were caught off guard by the intensity of it. the president bowed to pressure and moved it from the 19th to the 20th, saturday. in terms of venn kneue, no, not. it's an indoor arena, downtown, an arena that cancelled all of its events in june and july because of the pandemic. yet they're reopening for this one night for the rally. the campaign said they'll work with state health officials in terms of what sort of guidelines to implement. we don't know if there's going to be social distancing, if there will be masks. the early sense is those things will not be required. people attending did have to sign a waiver to say they would not sue the campaign were they to get sick.

there are outdoor venues in tulsa that could handle this, there's a new one that just opened up, it's a possibility. but as of now they have not. the president wants to have as big a rally indoors as possible. >> let's hope, mika, they do move it to an outdoor rally. that people that come to that rally will take care of themselves, socially distance if they can, wear masks, do what the trump white house has told them to do and not what the president himself has done. >> that's going to be interesting. >> for their own safety, for their health, for the health of their parents and grandparents, the health of their children, let us just hope and pray they take care of 24e7themselves. just like people protesting in the street. they have to take care of themselves, they have to be careful and they got to take care of their parents and grandparents when they go home. >> eddie glaude, they did change

the date in response to concerns about the initial date. does that mean anything to you? does that show that the white house is at least responding to the concern of african-americans about the date they had chose erie, pa? -- chosen? >> i rarely extend anything to the white house and i take yellow lig jonathan lemire seriously they were trying to double down on white resentment and fear. it's still the backdrop of tulsa, and that's one of the sites of one of the most violent racial histories of the country and so i think he's still engaged in what he intended to engage in, the culture war thing. what we heard from kudlow we need to understand is deadly disinformation. joe, you kept emphasizing we

have 114,000 dead over 2 million who have contracted the virus. it's spreading in the south. it's spreading in in the west. it's spreading in regions where the public health infrastructure isn't as strong. we know we're in for something here. and remember, dr. fauci, said this is in some ways his worst nightmare. so to hear kudlow say that over and against what we heard from dr. fauci, this is the height of irresponsibility it seems to me. >> if if you compare what dr. fauci said back in february when larry kudlow said it was contained and dr. fauci said it was not. again, 114,000 deaths later and over 2 million cases later, dr. fauci was dead right and larry kudlow dead wrong. here we are with dr. fauci and others saying that the concern, his biggest fear of his lifetime, and he fears we're at the beginning of the process. we've heard it from dr

dr. osterholm too who said we're in the second inning of a nine inning game. people need to be extraordinarily careful and larry kudlow's words as they were in february, remain reckless. we are reopening the economy so there's no need to lie to the american people about the health care crisis. the economy is being reopened. in many places it's being reopened carefully but it is being opened. so there's no need to continue the lies to the american people about their health. >> it was just last week that dr. fauci who has been right every step of the way said we are in the very beginning of this. so it is at this point up to us to be honest with the american people up to the government to be consistent -- yes? >> just to jump in here, i left this sitting next to me, this is the front page from the "new york times" that talked about 100,000 people dead. this is just 1,000 of them. we're looking at another

newspaper like this with this headline, twice as many people dieing from this. that's the ramifications of this, if you look at the way these numbers are going up, it's potentially 200,000 deaths that's the worst case scenario they laid out when we were all shocked when the white house came out and said that. each of these is a family that can't grieve with their loved ones because they can't go to the hospital to say good-bye. this is an incredibly lonely devastating thing for people and i think when you listen to larry kudlow say this doesn't exist, you're setting aside the grief and anguish of so many americans. we've been justifiably covering the george floyd story, that's been important but we can't forget about these americans

suffering. >> that number could double some models show by this fall, by just a few months from now. we will return to the story but we turn to atlanta and another police involved shooting of an unarmed black man. according to the georgia bureau of investigation rayshard brooks was shot outside a wendy's restaurant after two police officers responded to a report of a man sleeping in the vehicle in a drive-thru. we want to warn you the video is disturbing. authorities say brooks failed a sobriety test and this police body camera footage, shows the struggle that ensues as they try to arrest him. eyewitness video shows both officers on the ground struggling to detain brooks. according to investigators he was able to grab one of the officers' taser and running away.

video shows him turning back with the taser appearing to fire it. the officer returned gun fire. the officer who discharged his gun has been fired. the second officer has been placed on administrative duty. and atlanta's police chief, erika shields, resigned yesterday. according to an autopsy the fatal police shooting has been ruled a homicide. the medical examiner said brooks suffered two gun shot wounds to the back. the lawyer representing the family of rayshard brooks told msnbc last night that the officers had other options. >> they didn't have to take this man or attempt to take him into custody because he was sleeping in his car. he was trying to do the right thing, he didn't want to drive drunk. he was stopped, not a threat to anyone. they could have taken his keys, said, hey, what's your wife's

number, call her, they could have done any number of things. because you tussle with an officer it shouldn't be a death sten sentence for anyone. >> we've been talking about so many things during this debate on the killing of george floyd, "new york times" this morning is talking about the tremendous leeway that police officers have been given in this country. let me read the second paragraph from this article. says, although laws vary by state police officers in america are generallily allowed to use deadly force when they believe their lives or lives of others are in danger. a legal authority giving enormous leeway to make split second life or death decisions without hesitation or fear of prosecution. but then the times goes on to say the rising anger over the past several weeks may completely alter the laws. the laws involving the use of

force by police officers, especially in situations like the one we saw in atlanta. >> we should hope so. and i think the country is for once pretty united that we need an entirely different vision of how we keep our families and our communities safe. you know, there are millions of americans who have had something close to what mr. brooks experienced, which is consuming too much alcohol, it seems according to most reports, and pulling over their car and saying you know what, i'm not going to drive right now. and at the beginning of the 30-minute interaction, which was friendly, where mr. brooks talked about visiting his mother and talked about planning his daughter's birthday party, he said i live a couple blocks away let me go home and sleep this off. and for some reason he was then -- the police officers decided to put him in handcuffs.

i'm not saying that he should have resisted arrest or gotten upset at that moment and gotten fearful which is obviously what happened as he became terrified. but also we have to know right now that going to jail right now could be a death sentence for people. ja jails are a major hot spot for the coronavirus and one thing we have to recognize is that this is a pandemic of racial violence within a pandemic of the coronavirus. george floyd had had covid-19 before he was murdered. so we have to recognize that the kind fear that stalks african-americans as they interact with the police is the clear and present danger. and that has happened because of the way police treat us. we absolutely could have had a different outcome. i think we see mayor lance bottoms having taken a hard line. we're starting to see because of the multiracial protests in every part of this country, a

different level of accountability coming out of th this incident than we have others. we have seen the police chiefs the officers -- it's time the qualified immunity, which is the broad leeway for the use of force to stop, time for it to end, and we need to see the republican party and the senate to pass a bill to end qualified immunity for the police. >> mike barnicle, i think you and i have on this show said time and again that it is hard to second guess law enforcement officers, it's hard to second guess police officers when they are in the middle of a conflict. it's hard to put yourself there. but in this case, where they had been talking for 30 minutes to a man they believed who was inebriated, and then, as he was

running away, despite the fact they knew who he was, they had the information on him, shooting him in the back twice, it reminded me of what happened in april of 2015 in north charleston where walter scott was shot in the back by the police officer as he was slowly running away and posing no threat, absolutely no threat to police officers. >> what happened in atlanta, absolutely stunning. you can train people for a host of issues. >> his sound is not working. >> mike, we got to work on your sound. mike we'll get back to you. >> eddy glaude, same to you. oftentimes we have said it's hard to second guess police

officers in many situations where a violent outbreak occurs, where the life of the police officers may be at stake, where they may be thinking i may not return home to my family this evening, i may never see my children again. that's one thing. in this case, just like walter scott, the coast guard veteran in north charleston who was slowly running away from a police officer, posing no threat whatsoever, to get shot in the back, gunned down in the back, it's just a -- there is no justification for that. and i'm just beyond stunned that these police officers would act this way any time, but especially in the middle of a national reconning on the use of police force. when he posed no imminent threat or danger to them.

>> before the officer returned to declare that brooks was i neeb rated and that he was going to put him in handcuffs there was an exchange between the two officers, and what did brooks say to officer bronson, i know you're just trying to do your job and bronson said to him, we were worried about you because you were asleep in your car, there was a humane exchange before the two before they decided to put the cuffs on him. you think about the judgment, joe, because in some ways, bronson and rolf couldn't handle brooks, he got away. did you see the line of cars in the drive-thru? he discharged his weapon with all of those people around. right. as the guy was running away. in some ways we'll have to see how the investigation proceeds. this looks like male egg o, bros

got the best of him and he executed him in this way. think about this, you have this humane exchange, the row of cars trying to get their food, and the officer discharges his weapon for a guy who's running away, with no weapon, not posing any imminent danger. it's unconscionable joe in every way imaginable. >> you know, eddie, i'm sure you would understand. say they were going from room to room in a house, chasing from somebody from room to room in a house and it's dark, and you turned around a corner and a guy is olympianing something at you, maybe it's a cell phone, maybe it's a taser, maybe you don't know what it is and you shoot that person while in pursuit because you fear they may have a gun, that's what the "new york times" this morning called lawful but awful. but this was in an open parking

lot, they saw the risk. they could have turned around and run to their cars. this guy was going to tire and run out of steam. but shooting him in the back -- this is what i said about minneapolis. this is not just one bad apple. this is a culture, a culture from top-to-bottom that has to change. when the chairman of the joint chiefs was forced to apologize to everybody up and down the ranks for participating on june the 1st, when he to write a memo, basically saying i made a terrible mistake, that went to the culture of the military in a positive way. this goes to the culture, at least of this police department, and too many police departments across america. and you should know, if you shoot a man who is lumbering away from you and is posing no

immediate threat to you or anybody else, you're going to jail if you gun them down in an atlanta wendy's parking lot or in a north charleston, vacant lot. >> you know, joe, that seems reasonable and logical. then you hear senator tim scott saying qualified immunity should not be on the table. it's a toxic pill in the bill. there's a sense in which we want to hold police accountable. they are the only ones, at least in my view, who have the authority to use legal lethal force, and it seems to me that they should be held to an account for the use of that lethal force, joe. this is unconscious in every way. the guy said i could just walk home, the officer had been trained, had experienced nine hours of deescalation, 20 plus minutes of reasonable conversation ended in the

unnecessary execution of brooks. it makes no sense, joe. it makes no sense at all. >> although it might just make sense. >> yeah, it might just make sense. mike, if a white teenager had done that, you know what the cops could do, they would shake their heads, get in the car and follow the kid and roll down the window and say, kid, you better stop running right now or things are going to get worse for you. stop running, kid, stop running. if he didn't they would keep following him in the car until they tackled him to the ground and slapped the cuffs on him. >> police in every state and city are allowed to say the three magic words that no one else is allowed to say and have impact, you're under arrest. this video shows an incredible lack of common sense among those two police officers. it also shows that the victim,

mr. brooks was cooperating with the police. he decides to run away. what is going on when a cop in a crowded area, as eddie just eluded to, a line of people waiting for their pick up food takes out his gun in pursuit of someone they know is unarmed. sure they know he has a taser. they also know he's drunk. it is mind boggling. what happened in minneapolis which garnered world attention, global attention, i think, and i truly believe, because the first time you saw a public execution, a public execution, eight minutes and 46 seconds of police officers executing a human being and in atlanta, you saw a stunning display you can train for everything at a police academy, you cannot provide common sense to someone who lacks it.

this was an astounding case of a lack of common sense resulting in murder two charges for that police officer. >> all right. demonstrators continue to gather over the weekend at seattle's so called capitol hill occupied protest. to protest the killing of george floyd as well as police brutality. the six block area formerly known as an autonomous zone was created last monday night after demonstrators moved into an area around an abandoned police precinct. since then thousands gathered around the capitol hill neighborhood. let's bring in at the site of the occupied protest, msnbc correspondent von hillyard. is it peaceful, how is it going? >> this marks a week these streets have been occupied by

thousands of folks from across seattle. it's important to note as you did, mika, it was the police, the city who chose to abandon this area a week ago today, what you saw was thousands of folks the most diverse six blocks in america descended on this area. you saw folks frustrated and angry, trying to find a place to funnel that energy. what you saw her, you know, there was one gentleman, a 52-year-olds black man named chris, a father, he brought his daughter here. he came up to me outside that abandoned precinct he told me look at the scar. i got that 32 years ago from a young man from a police officer from that very precinct. he said he wanted to bring his daughter here to see this and know that she was surrounded by a community that cared and wanted change. this is a defuse organization here. it was not a hostile takeover of

the streets. i was talking to an organizer and she was telling me there was a large presence of white and brown folk to support the black lives here. she told me she thought it was because over the course of a week of protests you saw the seattle police department use flashbang grenades, tear gas and for the first time she said she felt like the white folks in the community saw up front what black folks here in the seattle streets have gone through for years. there's push back to the suggestions that this was a party-like atmosphere. in large part the organization developed this saturday and sunday there's programming, indigenous groups here, latin groups here. this was an event to funnel this to actionable change.

the question is to what extent will the mayor and police chief meet the demands. >> let me ask you about the white house and the president's characterization of what's going on there. there's been the suggestion that there's anarchy that the police have given up the streets, that people are -- people's lives are endangered. first of all, has there been any violence in that area since its been declared an autonomous zone, first thing, secondly, are there any thoughts by the seattle police to go in and retake that area or are they waiting and hoping that these protests will diffuse themselves? >> reporter: so the seattle police chief made clear here this weekend she has every intention of moving her police officers back into that east

precinct, saying the response times have tripled in this area. at the same time when you talk to the folks here, we're here in the 4:00 a.m. hour and this has been the most peaceful week these streets have seen in a long time. there's been no issues of violence here. this is an effort folks say look we are a community of people. you've seen children running around, older folks running around. this is a community that says this is not anarchy, violence. folks are living in tents as we speak. this is a community created hooefr the week. they said it's a different look than the clashes that took place in the week prior with the police department. >> von hillyard, thank you very much. heather mcghee what are you looking for in the weeks and months to come that can be consequential and realistic change. >> thank you for that question, because we would not be seeing what we've seen across the

country, which is dozens of police accountability reforms being passed at the state and local level without the kinds of bold multiracial protests that we just saw in seattle and that truly have been in every corner of the country from tuscaloosa to salt lake city. we have seen people demanding an entirely different vision. i think all eyes are going to be on congress. all eyes are going to be on the u.s. senate. and the only black republican in the senate, one of the few black members in the senate, to say that the biggest issue, and i want to reiterate against this, reiterate this, which is qualified immunity, which is something that has seen a level of bipartisan support for ending. you have the players coalition, a former professional sports players and coaches advocating to end qualified immunity. end the idea that we give people a gun and let them loose on

america's streets with no accountability. that's what we want to see. that will be the test of whether or not congress and the republican party is serious about this or whether they're still really trump's party trying to just protect the racial status quo. co-chair of color of change, heather mcghee thank you very much for being on this morning. still ahead on the fight for racial justice a republican close to the white house says the president will soon find out he did you waoesn't have room t off entire sets of voters. we'll discuss the divide of the republican party. and whether it's the second wave of the coronavirus or part of the first wave, there have been a smiek pike in cases. you're watching "morning joe" we'll be right back. types of chronic hep c. whatever your type, epclusa could be your kind of cure.

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professor and vice provost at the university of pennsylvania, dr. ezekiel manual. he's an msnbc medical contributor and cohost of the podcast making the call. also the author of the new book entitled "which country has the best health care," which is out this week. "which country has the world's best health care," excuse me. i want to start with the coronavirus, where do we stand? we have the president's economic adviser saying it's done, it's contained, okay. the president wants to have a rally. there are protests in the streets causing some health officials concerns, where are we? what phase are we in? and what are we looking at? >> if you look at some states, new york, illinois, pennsylvania, you have a nice decline in the current number of cases. on the other hand, way more

states, about 21, have an increase in the number of cases and some of them are pretty dramatic. if you look at florida, for example, there's a pretty dramatic increase and it cadill clocks almost precisely to four weeks after they opened up. you're seeing it not just in florida but in texas, arizona and many other states. i think in some ways, like many of us warned, we're right pack in march. we're right back at the start when we were getting into the exponential growth phase. the problem now is we're in the exponential growth phase and places are opening up rather than having physical distancing, wearing masks and other public health measures coming into force and that's a worrisome combination that we're ignoring the public health measures, ignoring wearing masks in public and going about our business and getting very close to each

other, where we know enclosed spaces like you're showing where we know the virus transmits relatively easily. >> jonathan lemire? >> dr. emmanuel, we've spent a lot of time this morning talking about the president's upcoming rally in tulsa, oklahoma, a state which has seen a rise in infections in recent weeks. can you walk us through a specific and if needed scary detail as possible, what dangers those who attend that rally may face? it's an indoor arena with circulating air, it's not believed at this moment requirements for masks and social distancing? how risky is it for rally goers and potentially the president of the united states to be in the arena on saturday night? >> we learn there are four things that enhance the transmission of the virus. number one, large crowds. number two, enclosed spaces. number three, prolonged period

of time. number four, shouting, yelling, singing, coughing, sneezing. let me say you have all four going in tulsa, oklahoma. that's not a good combination to reduce the spread. and especially if you don't require people to physically distance, which you can't in an arena, you're going to have congestion at the entrance, c congestion at the bathrooms, and c con sen shon stands. i sure his public health advisers are telling him not to do it and he's ignoring him. >> the disclosure is disturbing. talk about what infections you think we may see from the protests across the united states over the past several weeks. obviously there's some areas where masks are being worn, but

you're talking about thousands of people jammed into a small space. i remember a month before those protests we had 150 or so people crowd in to the state capitol in wisconsin and the consternation rose up just about everywhere. so why would we not be equally concerned or more concerned about hundreds of thousands of people going into the street, even if if it's a worthy cause, you know as well as i know, this virus does not care about politics and it does not care about social justice. it does not care about worthy causes. it spreads, it infects people, it kills people. >> absolutely. outdoor protests, they're better in the one factor that they're outdoors and not in an enclosed space like a room or a classroom or auditorium. but nonetheless they have the elements, crowds, prolonged

times, yelling, shouting, singing. and that is a worrisome combination. joe and mika, the time to look is about four to six weeks after the events. that's where you begin to see the really increase in the number of cases and that's what i expect we're likely to see and then in tulsa, oklahoma, people will be not only congregating, they'll be then going back to their community be and taking the virus to various communities. these are, as you're implying, joe, perfectly script written for super spreading events. by the way, in the protests, it was come bounded was compounded by the use of tear gas in the streets that the police did. that was a bad tactic for a situation where we have a deadly virus. >> absolutely. lafayette square you had police

shoving people into each other so they were literally having physical contact. it was beyond crazy on many levels. zeke, the book, i want to know the answer, which country has the world's best health care. >> you're like my students at wharton, always get the answer. part of the problem is we have to work. we judge countries on 22 different criteria, as i point out in the book, some people have different measures by what they think is important compared to other people. for some people it's choice of doctor. and by the way, the united states does not lead the world in choice of doctor. you have many places that have a much better choice of doctor, where there's no co-pay and you can go to any doctor. germany stands out at the top of that list. but lots of other countries also have much more free choice of doctor, for example, than the united states. for other people, especially

people with relatives who are older, you know, long-term care is important. and, you know, there we look at germany and the netherlands. they have ways to finance long-term care that most other countries don't have, and haven't figured out. drug prices, every other country regulates drug prices. some of them do it much better than others. all of them try to link the price of a drug to how much health it improves. some countries have built-in mechanisms to lower the price of the drugs as competitors on the market. australia, france lead countries in that regard. so there's a wide variety of standards you might use to assess countries. >> we have to read the book is what he's saying, the new book is "which country has the world's best health care". dr. emmanuel, thank you for being on, congratulations on the book. >> thank you very much, mika. coming up our next guest says the republican party has

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as for what happens next, the struggle has already begun. even during the campaign there have been people in washington who have been feeling around for a nucleus of republicans who can take over the party leadership and be acceptable to conservatives and liberals. if goldwater wants to keep the reins he has to fight. we'll see if he has the stomach for that. >> what's happening to the republican party? >> let me tell you, doug, these results shock me, they stun me, they disappoint me and they sadden me. i'm not bitter about it. i recognize the system and the

system works. but more than anything i think we have to examine where our party is going and the role it's going to play. >> how are you going to rebuild the party? >> we have to reflect and rebuild, we lost one senate seat, two governorships, gained four legislative chambers, we haven't had a legislative chamber in the south since reconstruction. good things happened to the republican party last night. we have to do some retooling. it's time for serious and quiet reflection, rest and we'll be back. >> here's michael steele who two years ago was talking about the fact that the r for republican was a scarlet letter. now he's saying we have to go in a new direction. a lot of people say this is a cynical attempt by the party to elevate an african-american at a time we have the first african-american president, steele will make the argument the party has to reach beyond the south, appeal to not just

african-americans but also hispanic voters. the party has to expand to compete going forward. >> demographically this is a different country and republicans need to understand that. republicans at least at the national level want to win elections. and along this path they can't win national elections. there will be a debate on how you react to that but i think that assumption is going to be broadly shared in the party. >> some of the many times the republican party has had to reinvent itself particularly after presidential election losses. joining us craig shirley with more on this. what's this look like now? >> i know you were thinking the same thing i was in 1964 after goldwater's defeat, everybody was saying the republican party is dead, conservative party is dead, two years later the reagan revolution is born in california and republicans do well in the off-year elections. you can say the same thing about

2008, of course, after barack obama's victory. two years later an explosive growth in the republican party. but there has been a reinvention from the party of taft to goldwater the party. now to trump. what is -- i just want to say, first of all, do you agree with me, if donald trump loses, people think he's going to be like a ghost hovering around the republicans? no. when you lose in washington, d.c., or wiyou are gone. you are gone. the party that eviscerated me for criticizing george w. bush the second he left office, they took up the items on big spending and foreign policy. >> if donald trump loses in november, joe, the republican party's going to resemble "lord of the flies" and quickly descend into island savagery with different faxes formed

trying to gain the upperhand and trying to come up with a coherent ideology. i love the run-up, and i saw my old friend rich in there. that was great to see. but the republican party is a faction of neocons and free traders and high tariffs, libertarian republicans and big government republicans. they always have been fighting with each other for better than 40 years. reagan was able to bring the whole party together because he reinvented the party, basically, and made it an appeal to personal freedom, dignity, privacy, all those things cherished in the constitution and declaration. the republican party does need to upgrade for the 20th century -- the 21st century. some of its messages are old and creepy. zoom mike barnicle is with us and has a question. mike.

>> craig, why is it -- i've been looking for an answer to this question for months, if not years. why is it the elected members of the republican party in the house and the senate seemingly fail to recognize the damage that donald j. trump does to the country every day? not the party first, but the country every day. what's up with that? >> well, look --. >> okay, here we go with the sound again. must be something in the water. >> joe, i answer the question. >> yeah. you know, so, we lost craig's audio. the thing is, yes, it is very disturbing what's going on right now with republicans blindly

following donald trump, but, yeah, i think back to 20 -- i think back to the bush administration. a guy i voted for two times. i was harshly critical of george bush's spending, the high def sit, the big debt. in the second term, people like peggy noonan and i very concerned about other things as far as his foreign policy goes. and i was just eviscerated. peggy noonan was eviscerated by fellow republicans who lined up quietly behind george w. bush. i had a preacher in pensacola, florida, a friend of mine who said he occasionally had to bring church members in and explain to them you did not have to support george w. bush politically to still love jesus christ. by the way, those were serious conversations because fights were breaking out inside the churches. there is -- i even remember some of trump's biggest supporters,

jonathan lemire, attacking me viciously in -- i'm not making this about me. it's just what i saw firsthand. trump's biggest supporters attacking me in 2012 for suggesting mitt romney was running a poor campaign and was going to lose in 2012 against barack obama. and they support -- yes, donald trump has exaggerated this instinct, but they blindly support republicans and a lot of democrats blindly support the person who's in the white house. >> that's right, joe. it's so much now team red /team blue. that's fierce loyalty to whoever is chief executive unless things reach to a critical stage. like we saw at the end of the george w. bush administration. i want to see what happens if trump were to lose, what happens to the republican party then.

there aren't many predictions we can make about donald trump. one we can is he's not going quietly. let's say it's january 21, 2021 and he's not president. he's not going to go away. he still will have a loud voice. he has tens of millions of twitter followers. how will he be to fox news, other conservative outlets. will people still listen to him? it's tradition for presidents to leave office go quiet. donald trump has never gone quiet. i don't think he will either. will he still hold some fans in his thrall, will they still listen to him, will he exit the stage, will he torment, not just perhaps if joe biden is president, but republicans looking to run in 2024. it will be fascinating to watch the potential divide and impact trump could have on the republican party even after he

leaves office. >> craig shirley, we're going to try your shot one more time. do you agree with jonathan that trump will continue to be a force after he leaves office? >> the that remains to be seen, but i don't think he'll be quite the force a lot of people think he will. i think there will be people arguing for trumpism is the way forward, people arguing for reaganism, like you and me, people arguing for more libertarian and more federalist philosophy, but it will be many, many different things. i don't think donald trump will be the dominant force of the republican party if he loses in november that a lot of people think he will. >> craig shirley, thank you very much. he'll definitely try this again. his latest book is entitled "mary ball washington, the untold story of george washington's mother request the the ." it's great to have you on. more on the gop as group against donald trump release their latest ad. more on the troubled culture of

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a person, you've got a problem. you need to do some self-evaluation because what's not to like? he is as good a man as god ever created. he does some of the most incredibleably heart-felt things that anybody could ever say to me. he's the nicest person i think i've ever met in politics. this is a defining moment in the future of the republican party. we have to reject this demagoguery. if we don't reject donald trump we've lost moral, in my view. >> new ad from the group republican voters against trump. the ad is set to run on fox news in charlotte, north carolina, washington, d.c., greenville, south carolina, that's lindsey graham's home state. morning and welcome to "morning joe." it's monday, june 15th. with us we have white house

reporter for the associated press jonathan lemire, host of msnbc's "politics nation" reverend al sharpton, nbc news capitol hill reporter kasie hunt, and political reporter for t"the washington post" and nbc political analyst robert costa, the moderator of "washington week" on pbs. we have a lot to uncover. unrest in atlanta this morning after the fatal police-involved shooting of a black man in the parking lot of a wendy's restaurant. one officer has been fired. another on administrative duty. plus a spike in coronavirus cases in several states -- arizona, texas and florida are all reporting their highest confirmed number of cases yet and amid criticism, president trump moves the date of his tulsa rally from juneteenth to june 20th, quote, out of respect

for the occasion. >> so, kasie hunt, you work capitol hill. you think many there may be a little bit of discomfort in the lindsey graham camp this morning? the ad really makes every argument that joe biden's campaign team would ever want to make, and they make it from one of donald trump's closest allies on capitol hill. >> yeah. in a very -- you can hear the sincerity in lindsey graham voice. and having covered him -- when i first started covering capitol hill, joe biden was still in the senate. as lindsey graham lays out there, he has always been one of the most well-liked and personally respected people in washington. and, you know, one of the things that i think the biden campaign has done well, and we obviously talked a lot throughout the primary about the very many

doubts about how things were going and there was a lot of hang-wringing and hemming and hawing, but they have been running along with this message of basic decency. that is the message the campaign is putting to the forefront. we're going to return to normalcy and decency. that lines up with the person their candidate actually is. you can't ask for anything else than that if you're trying to get someone elected, if you're a campaign official trying to work on someone's behalf. you know, joe, lindsey graham's situation is interesting. i'm skeptical any democrat could win in south carolina in that senate race, but he tacked so close to president trump over the course of the last year because he was afraid of this primary. and people are really turning against the president here in the final months of this campaign. and he actually does have a credible democratic challenger in jamie harrison, a former aide to jim clyburn.

we haven't heard lindsey graham talk about this necessarily but there has been some things he's said that have caught my eye in whether he's politically shifting here. it's a very interesting ad for a lot of reasons. >> bob costa, the trump campaign has spent so much money trying to vilify joe biden. going off of the script of 2016 where they knew they had an unpopular candidate who wasn't liked by a majority of the people, wasn't respected by even close to a majority of people. was seen as hon -- not honest and not trustworthy by overwhelming majority of americans, so they decided to destroy hillary clinton, who proved to be an easier target than joe biden right now. they understand they have to destroy joe biden. they understand it may not be as simple to destroy their opponent

as it was four years ago. >> that's exactly right. the fight for the trump campaign isn't just against the biden campaign, it's against that group of never republicans, the lincoln project. what you see here with the lindsey graham ad is an attempt to soften president trump's support among traditional republican voters. you have a traditional republican, a conservative in lindsey graham. there's not an expectation that jamie harrison, the democrat in south carolina is somehow going to get a sudden lift. he's a strong candidate for the democrats in the south. still a tough race, still a tough state for the democrats. but the democrats look at the map and not just south carolina but states like georgia and texas and florida, and they think if some republicans can either stay home, maybe think about voting for joe biden, this entire map could change. they see the numbers changing in many of the polls. >> many of the polls. jonathan, this weekend, for the first time joni ernst fell

behind for the first time. her approval rating dropping since the five years she's been there to her lowest numbers. and a democrat leading in iowa, private polls showing donald trump falling behind in iowa. you look at montana. you have governor bullock running his first ads. joni ernst having trouble in iowa, as we've said, of course. really bad news for republican senate candidates in arizona, in colorado, in maine, north carolina's going to be a real challenge for them. you just have an article out this morning about the problem these senate candidates are having running with donald trump. we're looking at joni ernst, too. promised to be this tough, conservative, independent voice going to washington, d.c. time and time again we've seen her embarrass herself by going

to town hall meetings and not being able to tell the truth about donald trump's failures. >> joe, first of all, you'll see i got the memo about the tie to wear today. >> oh, very good. very good. >> look at you guys. >> we look great. the conversation dovetails perfectly with the story my colleague and i have out this very morning about this sort of dilemma that some republicans up for re-election are facing as to how closely should they em brars president donald trump just five months until they face voters again. we are seeing some republicans still wrap their arms around him tightly. senator tillis in north carolina, for one. others like suson collins in maine are creating more distance. president trump has boasted throughout his term, about the fierce loyalty from fellow republicans. he know he polls extraordinarily high among the republican rank and file but they're watching for little cracks in that. senator graham is one, now he's

cleared his republican primary. that's key here. they want to watch republicans who don't have to face the base right now, don't have to face just primary voters, at least for a little while, if they're trying to create a little distance. i saw senator graham who spoke out against general millie. president trump has told advisers he wants a message sent to capitol hill demanding loyalty. he doesn't want to see any sort of breaks in the resolve republicans have had and staying with him, thinking that would send a sign of real weakness heading into the summer and fall re-election campaign. joe, you were right. there are warning signs across the map for republicans right now and for president trump, in particular. iowa you mentioned. senator ernst is down, in polling their tracking. the president is neck and neck there with vice president biden in a state he won comfortably.

ohio, georgia, others. and, of course, the map of battlegrounds seem to be expand, including a place like arizona where there is a democratic senate candidate is who is way ahead in the polls. the president knows at this moment he's losing. if he loses arizona, that changes the entire map and that puts pressure on him to win in other states in the rust belt. let's get to the latest on the coronavirus. the death toll this morning is at nearly 117,000 americans. and the fear of a second wave is now a reality for many parts of the country. for weeks health experts warning that once states begin to reopen, a surge in cases will follow. so for thousands of americans have been sickened by the virus and new and alarming outbreaks. according to "the new york times," as of saturday, coronavirus cases were climbing in 22 states, particularly in the sun belt region and the west.

over the weekend florida saw its largest single day count of cases since the pandemic began. the state of oregon paused its gradual reopen due to a spike in case case. hospitals in arizona have been urged to activate emergency plans to cope with a flood of coronavirus patients as the number of cases there have climbed by nearly 300% since may 1st and have roughly doubled since memorial day, according to cnbc. officials in texas also say hospitals are scrambling to accommodate a surge in cases with numbers swiftly rising around the largest cities, including houston, san antonio and dallas. meanwhile, the tulsa city/county health department director expressed concern about the increasing spread in the city and said he wishes president trump would postpone his campaign rally set for this

weekend to a later date. it's supposed to take place there. according to the tulsa world, the doctor said the city is seeing, quote, a significant increase in case trends that makes a large gathering like the rally dangerous. not only for attendees but for the president himself. over the weekend state officials reported 225 new cases of covid-19. once again, marking a new high in daily increases for both the state and tulsa county. so far president trump's re-election campaign declined to comment to nbc news on what, if any, guidelines from the cdc they plan to enforce in tulsa after making supporters, who signed up to attend the rally, i agree not to hold the campaign liable if they contract the coronavirus. >> bob costa, you've had the president complaining, watching images of people marching in the streets saying if they can do

that, why can't i start holding my rallies again. >> this is going to be a significant challenge for the white house, rhetorically, politically, logically in the coming weeks because you hear white house officials and advisers to the president over the weekend say they are blaming mexico and the border for some of the cases around the border of this country, the sun belt, yet at the same time the president's holding this rally in oklahoma. if the president wants to blame mexico in the coming months and wants to blame protesters for the black lives matter movement and others protesting racial injustice, he will also have to contend with the fact -- a fact that he is holding mass gatherings himself. >> still ahead, it's not quite the type of obstacle course that west point is known for. president trump has some serious trouble navigating a single ramp during his weekend commencement ceremony. we'll talk about that just ahead on morning joe. - [narrator] the shark vacmop combines powerful suction with spray mopping to lock away debris and absorb wet messes, all in one disposable pad.

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i'm wondering, did the west point cadets have to click on a disclaimer? around 1,100 west point cadets spent the last two weeks in quarantine so the president could deliver the commencement address. it sparked some concerns about the president's own health, particularly this weekend over the weekend where he cautiously descended a ramp at west point academy. the exit might have gone otherwise unnoticed but the president brought more attention to it after he tweeted late saturday night. the ramp that i descended after my west point commencement speech was very long and steep and had no handrail. most importantly, was very slippery. the last thing i was going to do was fall for the fake news to have fun with. final ten feet i ran down to level ground.

momentum. there's no indication, however, that the ramp was slippery on a clear, sunny day. president trump also raised some questions during his west point speech after taking a moment to sip some water by holding the glass with his right hand but needing further assistance from his left. >> jonathan lemire, again, we don't know about his health care. a lot of people talking about the president's health. we'll leave it for the doctors for that. but it is images like this and even his speaking ability, or lack thereof, again undercuts their argument that biden is an old man and they should elect someone with more energy than joe biden when, you know, clip for clip, stumble for stumble, donald trump seems to be right in line with joe biden or in many -- >> way out front.

>> -- times even worse. >> that's right, joe. even the matter of a president's health is of great importance to the american public. there have been questions about some of the information reported in president trump's previous physicals. you're right, there's no sense -- we'll leave others to speculate as to what was transpiring on saturday. we know the president often appears cautious on stairs and ramps when he walks. that's something he's talked about. i will say that he, of course, can't let any possible sleight go so he had to tweet about it and bring much more attention to it. but i do like any tweet or conversation with the last word, momentum. in terms of the politics of this, the trump campaign for months now has been trying to suggest that joe biden was not up for the job. both candidates are in their 70s. trump and his allies have suggested that biden has lost a step and they have done so not very subtly. we're seeing it in web ads and

clips up on social media all the time. it is absolutely harder to make the case when we see video like this where the president himself is having momentarily stumbles, momentary lapses, straining for a word or whatever it might be. and i think for -- i talked to a republican aide over the weekend who, you know, made a point of -- pointing out joe biden when he spoke last week in philadelphia had a moment like that where his talks trailed off and the trump campaign itself put out that video, blasted it out to his millions of followers and he himself had to privately acknowledge that it's harder to make that argument when you have these sort of clips going around the media the same weekend. >> coming up, latest from atlanta where a police officer was fired early sunday following the deadly shooting of rayshard brooks. that's next on "morning joe."

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moving on now, we're seeing outrage and anger in atlanta over another police-involved shooting of an unarmed black man. according to the georgia bureau of investigation, 27-year-old rayshard brooks was fatally shot on friday night outside of a wendy's restaurant after two police officers responded to a report of a man sleeping in a vehicle in the drive-through. we want to warn you that the video of the incident might be disturbing. authorities say brooks failed a sobriety test and this police body camera footage shows the

struggle that ensues as they try to arrest him. eyewitness video shows both officers on the ground struggling to obtain brooks. according to investigators he was able to grab one of the officer's tasers and run away. security footage shows brooks turning back and pointing the taser toward one of the officers, appearing to fire it. the officer returned with fatal gunfire. the shooting prompted protests on saturday near the wendy's restaurant, which was set on fire. officer garrett rolfe, who discharged his gun, has been fired. the second officer, devin brosnan, has been placed on administrative duty. and atlanta's police chief, erica shields, resigned yesterday. according to an autopsy, the fatal police shooting has been ruled a homicide. the medical examiner said brooks suffered two gunshot wounds to

the back. the lawyer representing the family of rayshard brooks told msnbc last night that the officers had other options. >> they didn't have to take this male or attempt to take him into custody because he was sleeping in his car. he was trying to do the right thing. he didn't want to drive drunk. he was stopped. he was not a threat to anyone. they could have taken his keys. they could have said, hey, what's your wife's number, call her, have her pick you up. they could have done a number of things. it shouldn't be a death sentence for anyone. >> reverend al, one expert in "the new york times" told "the new york times" that this was an issue of a situation that police officers call lawful but awful. at the same time, we're here in the midst of these marches over george floyd, this national

conversation on police brutality, and just so many questions linger why the police officers shot this man for resisting arrest and running away with dui. >> in the middle of this national conversation, as you say, where we're actually seeing legislation in some states, and in minneapolis a whole revamping of policing. it is beyond me to even begin to fathom why police in atlanta, where they've also had incidents, would take out his gun and shot at somebody in the back that's fleeing. yes, the man was inebriated. yes, the man resisted and got into a verbal confrontation and even taken one of the stun guns. but there was no threat to this officer's life. there was no life-extenuating circumstances, which is what is required to use fatal fire.

and the man was fleeing. you don't shoot a fleeing felon. i think the man did the right thing by immediately calling for the firing of this officer. i imagine he may be brought up on charges. i've talked with the lawyers in this case. i think you've got to look at it in the larger context, joe, that that is why we need to deal with some real concrete, federal and local legislation on how we deal with policing and police accountability. we're hearing the president is supposed to make some kind of statement in the next day or so around this issue, which is belated at best. we've been almost three weeks -- we are three weeks since the killing of george floyd and now the president is belatedly going to come out, we're told, and say something. it probably will not address the real core issue, and that is, how do we hold police

accountab accountable. it is the best thing for police and citizens. good police, police that work every day and risk their lives do not deserve to be in limbo like this because you have a president that won't stand up and say, this is the wrong behavior and criminal behavior for police. this is proper policing. let's see if we can reconcile the two. without legislation there cannot be any reconciliation. >> and in this case, reverend al, the fact he was shot in the back, you know, proves that he was on -- was fleeing, not confronting, at least physically at that moment. but also, and i know you're tapped into these cases and trying to help. the police chief resigning. i'm curious if you know anything about that. i remember seeing her in the beginning of all these protests in the wake of the death of george floyd walking through the throngs of protesters and listening to them and talking to them and really trying to

establish calm and understand more. and in this case now she has abruptly resigned. do we know anything about what's behind that? >> what i'm hearing is because there's been some incidents -- there was the police that really harassed two college students in their car under her watch. there were other incidents that led up to now the fatality in this case. that she took the responsibility that the buck stops here and resigned. and i think that many people in atlanta that i've spoken to, though they felt she had made some effort, felt she was not able to change some of the culture that embolden some of the police to continue to do things that clearly was against rules and probably against the law. >> coming up on "morning joe," the trump administration erases transgender civil rights protections in health care. we'll talk to actress and advocate laverne cox about that

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protections for transgender patients under the affordable care act. potentially cutting health care during the coronavirus pandemic. according to "the wall street journal," the rule would cut protections for transgender adults and 150,000 transgender teenagers in the u.s. and could lead to transgender individuals and others in the lgbtq plus community being denied health care. the administration says the policy is being changed to more closely adhere to the aca text which does not explicitly name transgender for health care. susan collins tweeted out, the trump administration's decision to eliminate protections for transgender patients is simply

wrong. i will work to overturn this discriminatory policy. joining us, brooke sopelsa and laverne cox. jonathan lemire and reverend sharpton are with us. laverne cox, your reaction to the move by the administration. >> good morning, mika. i think people should know, first of all, is that this rule on friday comes when we're expecting a supreme court decision basically ruling as to whether or not existing federal law, indeed, covers the transgender community when it comes to discrimination on the basis of sex. that decision from the supreme court could come as early as this morning or in the next few weeks. the announcement on friday was really unnecessary because the supreme court will be ruling on this very soon. obviously, during pride month, when there's a national uprising against racial oppression in this country, when there's a national pandemic, this

administration is basically adding insult to injury because last week two transgender women were found murder. so, that announcement on friday was completely unnecessary. the supreme court will be making a decision on this very soon. if the supreme court says it is legal to discriminate against transgender people in federal law, then it is incumbent upon each of us as citizens to make sure we flip the senate and flip the presidency because the equality act passed by congress last year does, indeed, expli t explicitly protect the community against discrimination. >> i cannot imagine what the motivation behind this would be except to cut health care access to more americans. >> and i think the important thing to note this measure on friday which rolled back protections which the obama

administration had given to transgender individuals is part of the years-long trend in the trump administration to roll back or attempting to roll back recently gained rights, particularly by transgender people. so, we've seen this in education. we've seen this in the military. and we've seen this in employment. the title 7 workplace laws decided by the supreme court, as early as today. the trump administration submitted briefs in those cases basically saying transgender employees and gay employees are not protected under civil rights nondiscrimination protections. so, it's part of a broader trend. and i've heard a number of people express sentiment, as laverne did, the timing of this could not have been worse. it's pride month.

the decision -- the rule came out on the fourth anniversary of the pulse shooting. >> jonathan has a question. jonathan, jump in. simproo >> i was about to note the anniversary of the pulse shooting as well. we saw over the weekend in new york city, in brooklyn, a massive demonstration, march, protest, in support of trans rights in brooklyn. certainly it's under great scrutiny from the federal government, but what are you seeing on the state level? are states stepping up in case there is changes on the federal level? and how widely do these protections vary state by state? >> that's a really great question. again, what folks should know is that with this rule that was announced on friday, some states explicitly protect trans folks

and the lgbtqi community. there are protections in some states. this administration and what historically power does is try to divide and conquer people, try to demoralize people. what was beautiful about the demonstrations that happened in brooklyn yesterday, los angeles, all over the country, is that the protests for black trans lives with the black lives matter protests. there is acknowledgment black folks are also transgender, are lgbtqi and our lives matter. it's so crucial now we do not succumb to the divide and conquer of this administration that a threat to justice everywhere. every state is different in terms of the level of protection and so it's so important that on a federal level we have explicit protection. hopefully the supreme court does

that. if the supreme court does not do that, we need to make sure congress does. >> reverend al. >> laverne, i want to pick off where you just talked about, the march and rally yesterday in brooklyn, my hometown, and the trans march and rally in l.a. i think part of what has been, frankly, hypocritical of civil rights activists, is not standing up for trans right and saying, wait a minute, the black community is the trans community, et cetera. we should be just as offended when they desecrate pride month as they do with juneteenth and we think the president shouldn't speak there. speak to the challenge of trying to bring the fact that violating anyone's civil rights is violating everyone's civil rights. you're not asking anyone to accept you. you accept yourself. just don't violate yourself

self-acceptance and self-affirmation. >> absolutely. i think that trans intersections every issue. in rule 15-57 anyone seeking abortion access is allowed to be discriminated against, according to this provision. trans people are so beautiful and so amazing. and i think at the same way we're having a national reckoning right now around race in this country, and i encourage everyone, no matter who you are, no matter what race you are, to be integrating your implicit biases around race in this country. we should have the same internal conversations with ourselves and in our communities, with our friends and families about trans folks. we all live in a culture that devalues black lives, that devalues the lives of trans folks. have i to do work every day as a black person, as a trans woman

to decolonize my mind. this is something we all must do to come together in a struggle for justice for everyone. >> brooke, we'll end on you. as you cover this, where is this headed next? what are you looking at? >> our coverage this month, our pride coverage, is very much centered on black/queer folks. one thing i do want to note, mentioning the intersection of trans rights and the black lives matter movement. last year the human rights campaign, which tracks transgender deaths due to fatal violence found that of the 28 trans deaths they tracked, over 90% were black trans women. the issues are very much intersectional. that's what we'll be focused on. our coverage, we're also planning a town hall at the end

of the month, specifically focused on black/queer issues. we will be posting coverage of those issues and we'll have more information about our town hall, which will specifically focus on that. and pride this year, from the big global -- sorry. sorry. i thought someone was interjecting. the big global pride happening on june 27th as well as prides in new york and los angeles will be focused on black solidarity. that's what we'll be looking at, too. >> nbc out's brooke sopelsa and laverne cox, thank you very much. we want to mention laverne's latest project, the netflix original documentary "disclosure" begins streaming this friday, june 19th. we look forward to that. thank you both. up next, as leaders on capitol hill try to figure out a way forward on police reform, changes are already under way in several cities and states.

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system that's responding, once again, to brown people with education and everything that comes with it. the fact of the matter is, this is a structure that's been developed that we have to deconstruct. so i wouldn't say defund. deconstruct our policing. >> democratic congressman jim clyburn of south carolina speaking yesterday. as the debate over a federal police reform continues on capitol hill, across the country, we are seeing growing list of policy changes at the state and local level. on friday, louisville mayor greg fisher banned no-knock warrants by signing breonna's law, named for breonna taylor who was killed in a no-knock raid. t the ordnance requires an active body camera whenever a search warrant is served.

andrew cuomo enacted the eric garner anti-chokehold bill. with a signature that revoked a bill that kept police records secret. in iowa, governor kim reynolds signed a bill that also bans chokeholds and prevents police officers from being hired in the state if they previously have been convicted of a felony or fired for misconduct. and in colorado, the legislature passed one of the most sweeping statewide reform packages in the country on saturday. according to "the denver post," colorado's senate bill 217 bans the use of chokeholds and carotid control holds, limits when police are allowed to shoot at a fleeing person and requires officers to intervene in cases of excessive force or face criminal charges. meanwhile, three sources tell nbc news the president has dismissed racial justice

protesters repeatedly telling a aides, these aren't my voters. he also made the remark during a meeting about how to respond to the unrest on the day that protesters were forcibly cleared from lafayette square park to make way for the president's photo op in front of st. john's church. the revelation is part of a deeply reported piece on the divide inside the white house on the movement for racial justice. quote, it looks like he's bewildered right now, one political adviser said of the president. we're losing the culture war because we won't engage directly because we're so scared to be called racist. the adviser said the president and his allies should be taking on the black lives matter movement by calling it a front organization for a lot of crazy leftist ideas that are unpopular. another political ally said the opposite, that the president appears to be spinning wheels because he's not setting the

agenda on policing and race in the u.s. when he should be leading on these issues by taking steps like banning tactics like chokeholds. a white house official tells nbc news that the president doesn't want to make this trump versus the protesters. more he's the outsider factor that can bring about law and order. yeah, he keeps tweeting that. law and order. like -- just randomly tweets it. >> jonathan lemire, one of the things that surprised me so much over this past year is that this politician who is supposed to be so great at reading a room and so great at reading a moment in time and so great at using culture wars to advance his political career seems completely incapable of nuance. and we can talk about the gun debate where i kept getting assurances from the white house they were going to move on background checks. they were going to move on

military-style weapons. they were going to move on bump stocks which took a long time for them to even move on those basic things. now we have the protesters, 75, 80% of americans supporting people out on the street who are protesting. there's been a sea change over the last two or three weeks, and the white house seems completely incapable of reading that room. of reading that movement. of reading that country. those aren't his voters? 75%, 80% of americans who support it? those are his voters. but he can't see it. why? >> frank luntz told us at the ap this week he's not sure he's ever seen a politician more out of step with a moment than president trump is right now with these protests on the street. it's reminiscent of the gun

debate where the white house talked the talk for a while but ended up removing themselves from the conversation and right now the president does not really have a voice in what is going on. i think the efforts -- there was initial instinct to paint the black lives matter moment as a fringe leftist idea, and that's clearly out of step with the mainstream support it enjoys. every poll after poll reflects that. 75%, 80%, as you say. the president is so closely aligned himself with the idea of law enforcement. he doesn't want to alienate them. he's counting on their support again this fall but at what cost? others -- there are some in his orbit that have urged him. because you enjoy that such strong support you have the ability to move forward with some change, with some reform. but the president has been slow to embrace that. there's still been no real national address on the issues of race that have plagued this

country. he made passing remarks at the roundtable in dallas last week but that speech was overhyped. he mostly uttered support for the police. there are still discussions about maybe this week he'd say something further, but that's unclear. right now it's a white house spinning its wheels. the energy on the streets has not dissipated and they're not sure in the west wing how to handle it. >> you know, rev, donald trump says the protesters aren't my voters, but he seems to miss the bigger point that suburban women that have been running away from his support and other people who have been offended by him talking about shooting people in his tweets, talk iing about vicious dogs, it sends a strong, powerful message to those swing voters who have been fleeing his camp since 2017.

one wonders whether this will only harden that resolve to get out and vote against him in november. >> i believe it will harden that resolve to vote against him because they have taken a firm move in terms of supporting police reform and supporting what many of us have been fighting for a long time. to try to have the equalizing of the criminal justice system. and for him to not only be tone deaf but to be opposed to that is to enhance the numbers of those independents and those suburban women that voted for him to say, wait a minute. not only has he missed it in terms of the pandemic. he's missing it in terms of that we believe has now come to this time period that we've got to deal with. and we'll not vote for him. and the strange part about it, joe. he's from new york. these were not issues that he

should have list. he's from the city of amadou diallo and abner louima. the fact he doesn't get it is either intentional or he has a tin ear. >> yeah, rev, you and joe have been talking for quite some time, for many months about how to express this friction in the country. and actually been talking about a song joe wrote and a music video that put together, which you are featured in, which we are about to show, but i first wanted you to set it up a little bit and talk about this ongoing conversation that you guys have been having. >> you know, joe and i started talking several months ago, as you said, mika. and joe, people don't know, is really a great producer, musician. and he played this song to me, and i said to him, this needs to come out now because it gives us hope. it lifts us. it's gospel oriented in terms of its music but it's not just

church gospel. it's gospel in a broader pop sense. to lift us up. and i was saying, if you look back to the martin luther king days movement all the way to the things we do now, there was always the soundtrack of hope. a soundtrack that we shall overcome. that we can make it. yes, it's bleak. yes, we're being harassed. yes, we feel down, but we want to be up. and when he played this "lift us up" and he's redone it now with the videos that connects us from marching in selma to the marches on floyd now, it is something that i think will be the soundtrack as we go into 2020 summer. we need to be lifted up. we can't lose hope. and he's put it in music. >> well, take a look at this as sung by steven hayden, roz brown and tanisha gary. here is joe's song "lift me up."

♪ i'm brokenhearted knocked down on the floor ♪ ♪ i hear a whisper saying try once more ♪ ♪ still i can't erase the memories and try to pretend ♪ ♪ that after all we've been through lately we can be the same again ♪ ♪ lord, lift me up lord, lift me up ♪