the president's health was already called into question this past weekend. when he was seen on video cautiously walking down a ramp after delivering a commencement address at west point. in fairness, he's always had issues with descending stairs and ramps. the president also appeared to struggle to take a one-handed sip of water during the speech, as you can see he appeared to need both hands to reach the glass to his mouth and for the record, as a google image search will tell you, he often uses both hands to drink liquids. shortly afterward the president fired off a defensive tweet and said the ramp was steep and slippery and that's your update on the tone, tenor on social media over an entire summer weekend. joining our conversation, tim miller and adviser for republican voters against trump,

he's also a contributor. tim o'brien, to you first, what's a matter with donald trump? >> the same thing with donald trump, he's profoundly narcissistic, he doesn't hesitate to slander other people for their physical inadequacies or looks. and he can't even bear hearing it about himself for just a moment. what's interesting is all of the attention on that speech and his inability to walk quickly down the ramp, i think overwhelm the fact that the speech he gave got a very tepid response for are the cadets from west point. this is sort of parse and parcel that we deal with in the trump era, his vanity and his ined a

question cansies overwhelm other important discussions and obviously what's being raised in this focus on his health and whether he's impaired is that we never really had a lot of transparency around president trump release his medical records or his doctors speaking in a meaningful way about his health. >> and tim miller there was that unexplained emergency drive to walter reed, i worked in the white house, you can deliver a baby there. i want to show you an ad from your group about donald trump using the words of one of his most sub veernt amly and what is donald trump's campaign about? he's a religious bigot and you

know how you make america great again? tell donald trump to go to hell. if you can't admire joe biden as a person, you got a problem. you need to do some self-evaluation, because what's not to like. he's done some of the most incredibly heart felt things that anyone could ever say to me. he's probably the nicest person i ever met in politics. this is the defining motion in the future of the republican party. >> tim, it's just one of the best ads i have ever seen in my career, talk about it.

>> i think the ad is a strategic manner and the purpose of our group, republican voters against trump, to reach the tims and nicolles out there in arizona and pennsylvania who have left the party and never voted democrat before. so hearing it in lindsey graham, he's good messenger. personally the ad makes me sad. talking in the car to my friend scott con roy, i remember that. he's a genuine, funny, earnest person and, you know what has become of him in service to donald trump is really, really sad and i think that's why the ad is so good, you can feel the earnestness when he's talking about joe biden in the car interview. and you hear the phoniness when he talks about donald trump now.

>> tim o'brien, back to the incumbent, more than one west point grad last night on social media just couldn't help it, the implication obviously that donald trump lost sight of the fact that he's at the u.s. military academy, his audience by definition is made up of people who just became second lieutenants in the u.s. army, and are now going to be deployed in all kinds of roles around the world, in service to their country. and this particular usma grad thanktd the president for his courage in dealing with the slippery ramp. >> well, you know -- look the irony, the irony is probably a light word.

i don't think he rally understands what it means to put on a uniform and serve the country, i don't think he's someone who would show great courage in battle and he ee's o stage praises these young men and women for possibly putting their way in harm's way. something he wouldn't do. not that courageous to walk down a platform. tim's group's ad shows donald trump in public isn't the same donald trump in 2016. donald trump in 2016 was on message, immigrationen eneand t. he trafficked in racism to get those messages out. the donald trump of 2020 is focused on performance art and he's trailing badly in the polls and i think we're 4 1/2 months

away from election day, you'll start to see the republican party and people like mitch mcconnell have to make hard choices about how strongly they back him after performances he gave at west point. >> tim miller to nicolle's point, no matter what other spots get produced this cycle you have left us with what to my mind is the indelible campaign ad already, what do you say as a guy who's been around the block a time or two in republican politics, especially when people ask, i know they ask me, what do you say when they ask you, what happened to lindsey graham? >> lindsey graham likes being in the mix. lot of other theories out there, whatever. i think it's as simple as that. it's sad. lot of people in washington has this disease. lot of my friends do.

they want to be close to the action. they want to stay in power and lindsey decided that this was the best way to do that and i think that goes to tim's point to what these other republicans do, up until now, the only way to stay in power is to suck up to donald trump. when you look at these polls, if you're down ten points like martha mcsally, maybe speaking out against dividing the nation is the right thing to do and look, i'm not looking for any profiles in courage at this point but i do wonder if we can start to attract republicans who think, you know, who do the right thing for the wrong reason, their political benefits, unlike lindsey did, the wrong thing for the wrong reason. >> thanks to tim miller and tim o'brien. and to you, brian, obvious ly,

the point is, you can get a lot of medical care on the white house complex and i was just a staffer, there's a more -- there are more robust services available to the president himself but as a staffer there was counseling available, there was immunizations available, obviously people who can do temperature checks, the president has this unexplained trip to the hospital in the midst of conduct that justifies two print stories in both the washington post and "the new york times" about whether or not he's healthy is just a stunning state of how opaque his health is to the american people. >> you can do at least minor surgery on air force one and if that's true on a flying 747 the general public can just imagine the medical facilities at the disposal of the white house physician, including testing,

die mostics machines and what have you. i'll watch the rest of your broadcast and do a quick fact check on what knocked us off the air earlier. >> good luck with your i.t. needs. we'll be watching you at 11:00. thank you for joining us. when we come back -- covid cases are spiking across the sun belt and now new york's governor is talking about the possibility of a second shutdown the latest on the coronavirus pandemic is next. we're carvana, the company who invented

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i want to tell you we're watching right now for the mayor of atlanta, mayor bottoms to make additional comments about the shooting over the weekend. we're keeping an eye on that for you. when that happens -- we'll switch gears and bring that to you. the latest on coronavirus news, startling numbers across the country has experts and state officials increasingly worried about a second coronavirus wave right now amid continuing reopenings and protests, according to data compiled by the new york -- arizona, florida are seeing their highest numbers today, more than 2.1 million confirmed cases in the u.s. and more than

116,000 americans have died from coronavirus that we know of. the spike continues to slow reopening plans across the country. firms in houston are now warning a lockdown may be reimposed as cases spike there. new york governor andrew cuomo is threatening to revoke openings. 25,000 complaints against these businesses and communities for violating phase one protocols. for more on what's happening in arizona, we turn to tucson medical center physician, first, take me through what's going on in arizona. i have anecdotal stories about not a lot of masks being worn, take me through what's happening especially inside the hospitals?

>> sure. it's really scary on the ground here. you know, we have -- i mean, i would say in southern arizona, close to no icu beds at all. we're definitely into that surge capacity that we heard folks talk about. but remember to get surge icu beds and surge hospital beds you need to have more nurses. you have to have staff to actually treat the patients. so, but we're in a pretty critical situation here in terms of the numbers especially of our critical beds. >> i i believe donald trump said in last hour, if we stopped testing the numbers would go down. if you're inside a hospital that doesn't do much good, when someone's sick, they're positive and they need help, when your new york city was in this situation that i think you're trying to describe it was described by the "the new york times" as apock lcalyptiapocaly.

>> you know, it's really high stakes. the nurses and respiratory therapists and other physicians i work with, they're amazing people, we'll keep showing up, doing what we need to do to help everyone we can but when you get to the point where you physically don't have space or you don't have adequate number of nurses to staff beds, then, you know, things get really, really tough, and, you know, it puts healthcare workers in -- it's another stressor, it's stressful to be in an environment where you can at any moment contract a virus. the state of arizona isn't slowly, it's reopening anyway, our governor opened the state on may 15th and we have been just

going like gang busters, the movie theaters are open now. gyms are open. you know, golf of course, that's something that you can go do and it's -- it makes no sense, because here we are in the hospitals trying to keep people alive, many of them on ventilators filling up almost all of our icu beds and what we need from the governor, from our leadership, is an acknowledgment of this and maybe require never the state to wear mask in public because they don't right now. it seems like nobody's taking it seriously and it's really hard to see that and go into work every night for my night shift and then, see people running around, not social distancing and not wearing masks and it's kind of hard to reconcile those things. when our political leaders don't set a good example, like the president and the federal response if you can call it that, then we have problems.

>> it's so stunning because, it literally -- the path toward what those leaders want in arizona and donald trump is, reopening economic revitalization what everyone wants. what would help? i mean, what -- how do we take this outside of the failed political leadership? i mean, is it more press attention on it, putting the story back at top of our ne newscasts, what's the answer? >> i think all of that. all of these things. we need examples, just like when -- when i was working in the obama white house, with regard to pandemics, as i recall, the president would get out there and say, hey, listen to tony fauci, he's got some important stuff to say and scientists and to reer is.

ers and then then they go from there. the only president obama did occasionally, let's do that. that's what we need. professional the people of arizona, we can do this ourselves. we don't need to wait, we don't need to wait for the governor or anyone else to say to do it. it's what -- if you want a hospital or icu bed available for one of your loved ones potentially having a heart attack or having a non-covid related emergency, if you want that hospital bed to be there for them, put a mask on before you go out. better yet, rethink if you need to go out at all. stay home. >> dr. matthew heinz, i have a feeling this conversation is one we will have over and over again. thank you for spending some time with us today. stay safe. when we return, five months before the election and donald trump's re-election hopes are getting perlessly close to the danger zone. steve kornacki explains next.

♪ we hope you find these digital solutions helpful to bank from almost anywhere. deposit a check with your phone or tablet. check balances, pay bills, and more. send money to people you know and trust with zelle. we're going to dip into a news conference under way by atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms. let's listen in. >> the suspect was described as a black male, approximately 5 5'10" to six feet tall, 170 to 200 pounds and i know this is a very general description, last seen wearing a dark ball cap, a long sleeve while t-shirt, dark jeans and carrying a

drawstring-type backpack. we are also asking for the public's assistance in identifying anyone in the area on friday morning, june 12th, at around 9:40 a.m. of where units were called to the area of 300 ted turner drive on a report of a person who had been injured there. on the scene, officers discovered the body of an adult male who had suffered from at least one gunshot wound and this was under the i-20 overpass at windsor street. i'm sorry, those are two separate -- i'm going to have captain price clarify these locations for you, because i have ted turner drive and also under the i-20 overpass at windsor street. also on monday, june 1st at 1:40

p.m., officers were dispatched to baker high land -- the baker highland connector northeast at peopleland avenue to another person who had been shot, as well. again, we know that the first two incidents have been linked and we suspect that the third is also related and we are continuing to gather information but as for the public's help in providing any additional information that you may have, if there are any surveillance camera cameras, video footage, if you were in the area during any of these times, we ask that you provide that information and again, i will have captain price clarify the times and the locations. we are also working with our continuum of care and our service providers to ensure that we are communicating with our homeless population in the same

way that we have done in other energy events to make sure that the word is out and that they are also on high alert. i again want to publicly express my condolences to the family of r rayshod brooks and update you on additional actions i'm taking today on behalf of the city of atlanta to address many of the issues that over the past few days have become abundantly clear are problematic within the city of atlanta. as many of you all know, over a week ago, we announced the creation of a facie task force, this was in response to president obama's challenge to cities around the country to take a pro active at our use of

force policies and to make rep men stations. that task force convened for the first time last week and we anticipated having initial recommendations within 14 days. with community input and final recommendations within 45 days. on friday evening, we saw the murder of rayshod brooks and as i've said before, i am often reminded of the words of dr. martin luther king jr. there is a fierce urgency of now in our communities. and that fierce urgency of now says that while our advisory committee continues to work to make recommendations, to help us implement and review all of our policies in the city of atlanta, it is clear that we do not have another day, another minute, another hour to waste.

and so, as we look forward to receiving the very thoughtful recommendations and i appreciate their work, in the interim, i am signing an administrative order. a series of administrative orders today, calling upon our chief operating officer joshua williams to coordinate with the interim chief of police to immediately adopt an implement reforms of the standard operating procedures and work rules of apd concerning their use of force policies. specifically, these reforms must comply with state law concerning the use of force and they will include addressing apd's officers response to resistance, generally and specifically regarding the use of deadly force in accordance with the principle that officers should use only the amount of objectively reasonable force

necessary to successfully protect themselves or others, to affect an arrest or bring an incident under control when dealing with members of the community, suspects, detainees, et cetera. also requiring de-escalation generally and specifically prior to the use of deadly force, in accordance with the principle that officers should use deocean ka lake techniques to gain voluntary compliance and avoid or minimize the use of the physical force and to continuously develop, update and train officers in de-escalation techniques, also requiring the reporting of all uses of deadly force by police officer to our citizens review board. adopting and implementing a duty to intervene, whereby if a police officer sees another officer using force which is beyond reasonable under the circumstances, that they are duty-bound to intercede and

prevent that use of force and must immediately report the use of such force to an on-duty supervisor. and also provide lawful restrictions on when and officer may use deadly force toward a suspect who is in a moving vehicle. we understand in atlanta and across the nation, that this is the begin ining of a great dealf work that lies ahead of us to make sure that we are doing all that we can do to protect our xhupties and to follow the principles that were set forth by the obama/biden administration on 21st century policing. it's very clear that our police officers are to be guard yaps and not warriors within our communities. we stand on the strong legacy of civil rights in this city and in

this country. and it's for that reason i am also signing an additional executive order that will hopefully allow us, as we continue to grieve and show our frustration and anger as a nation that will create the framework that will allow us to move to action and in an effort for us to developal us tingt appeal for human rights, i am signing an administrative order that will convene a body to begin to succinctly articulate grievances and what we see as our solutions. we hope that this will be a framework in atlanta and possibly the nation. the actions that i am taking today are a continuation of the criminal justice reform efforts that i began at the beginning of my administration as mayor.

which have included the elimination of cash bail bonds in our city, meaning, if you get stopped for a traffic ticket and you don't have $200 to pay, you don't stay in jail simply because you are poor. it's also meant that we have asked our city council to reallocate a significant portion of our cessiorrection s budget. after we closed our detention center to i.c.e., it gave us an opportunity, along with the elimination of cash bail bonds, to begin to reimagine and begin the work to transform our city jail into a center of equity, health and wellness. and i believe that it is more important than ever that we continue that work in earnest. as we continue to work with our advisory council on the use of force, we expect our first

recommendations by june 24th, with final recommendations by july 24th. and it is my assurance to you that we will continue to do the work that we need to do, to make sure that all of our communities, each and every person in our community is treated with dignity and resp t respect. we saw the worst happen on friday night with mr. brooks. it angered me and it saddened me beyond words. but i know that it is my responsibility as mayor of this great city for us to continue to work to put that anger and that sadness into action and so this is the first of a series of actions and steps that we will take and i continue -- i look forward to continuing to work with all of our community

stakeholders so that we can begin to heal as a nation and as a city. but as someone who has experienced a sudden death of a loved one, i know there are no worlds and no actions that will ever bring them back and will ever fill that void, but i do hope that the public and all of our community partners know that there is a deep and abiding commitment on behalf of this administration to make sure that we're doing all that we can do so that another child does not miss the opportunity to have her father present on her birthday. so, with that, i'll take any questions that you have and i'll also turn it over to chief bryant and to captain price.

>> so, let me just say, based on what we saw happen on friday, it became abundantly clear very quickly that there is a need for us to take an immediate look at our training policy. so, some of these policies, in my opinion, while we are spe speaking these policies, they are not necessarily integrated into our training. i'm going to let chief bryant speak in more detail on the difference on what our current standard operating procedures are and what the difference will be, given this administrative order. >> good afternoon. based on the policies that are being set by the administration,

and the police department, the alignment are very close, but the executive policies are actually a little bit more detailed and there are a few more requirements as opposed to the standards that we have currently. indication that one has to g get -- intervene in an act and that executive policy does spell that out directly. you are now seeing that throughout many police departments, going to that model, based on what we saw happen in -- in the floyd case, where officers have to now intervene with other officers when they see something that may not be appropriate. >> hi, everyone. it's a few minutes after 4:00 in the east. we've been listening to atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms

calling for police reforms in the wake of another deadly police shooting, this time in her city of atlanta. it's fueled further protests and grief and rage in the streets of her city in what has become an international moment of reckoning. on the heels of peaceful demonstrations this morning in the name of rayshod brooks who died after being shot twice in the back friday following a confrontation with police. today, mr. brooks' family speaking out about their grief, their frustration and their disbelief. >> life shouldn't be this complicated. life shouldn't be where we have to feel some type of way if we see a police or somebody of a different color. i didn't come down here to talk to the media, i came to love on my people. but if you ask how all these

young black man was, look at your children when you see them later, that innocence, that joy, that pureness of soul and you had a glimpse of what we lost. you have a glimpse of what it feels like. >> so, authorities in georgia have ruled brooks' death a homicide. the police chief has re-signed. the other officer involved in the shooting has been fired. but that anguish that has rolled through the country for over 20 days abo s and counting now, intensified in the wake of the fay that shooting. mayor boot toms feeling the pain of her community. president donald trump doubles down on his silence. he didn't make a mention this weekend of the death of another black man at the hands of police or the crowds gathered across the country protesting in his name. instead, he clung to the rhetoric he's betting will fire

up his political base. tweets on law and order, dog whistles to a so-call eed silen majority. he even took the time to respond to this widely circulated video of himself and an apparently unsteady walk down the ramp. the president saying it was very long, steep, had no handrail and, quote, most importantly, was very slippery. a nation in crisis and the president tweeting about his walk down a ramp is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. with us from "the washington post," phil rucker. joining us, msnbc legal analyst who worked with the sdny, maya wiley and former top state department official, rick spengle. maya, mayor bottoms saying that she was signing an administrative order that would take their grievances and solutions and she said this wasn't just for atlanta, she hoped it would become a model

for the nation. she has, to me, emerged as a real nation figure, very aware of this moment, not just in her city, but in her country. >> absolutely. and we're seeing black women who are mayors of major cities around this country leading the conversation about transformation, from london in san francisco to lori lightfoot in chicago, muriel boor muriel d.c. it's a struggle to move from tinkering to transformation. because the pain we heard from the family is a pain that resonates deeply now and fortunately, not just within the black community, but within the why white community. it is a painful loss when we see these videos and recognize that people are dying.

but they're not just dying, they're also being overpoliced. so, what's so important is that she is both putting together a task force to say, we have to look at how we're changing that in bigger ways. london breed said, we have to look at how to move all of the calls we get for police officers from the police department that shouldn't go there, we have to recognize in this country that we have arrests every three minutes, but 5%, only 5% of calls to police departments are for serious crime. 5%. so, we have to disentangle this notion of addressing crime and creating public safety with more police presence and more police interaction for things that are not crimes m and crimes. and i really heard the effort on the part of atlanta and other

cities, driven by black women mayors, to try to move beyond this notion of just making sure there's justice after we've lost a life, to trying to make sure that we don't lose one, and so, when she says, we want to make it an obligation for police officers to intervene when something is going wrong, that that obligation becomes a way to prevent a time of mourning and rather find a path for transformation. >> maya, you're right, i mean, the transformation is in able hands in the hands of those four women, but why does it -- why do we need a transformation for a police officer not to shoot an unarmed black man in the back? >> well, this goes straight to this question of, what are we

policing? because often the reason we need a traps formation is that policing has been about control and containment of black and latino people. and if we don't acknowledge that in this society, that what we're doing is saying, we fear you and we think we need to contain you, that we won't transform out of this problem. and that's why the fact that police are called so frequently for things that are not serious criminal activity becomes a strategy to disrupt what are really these deeply imbedded biases, these deeply imbedded fears about who black and latino people have. we have a president of the united states who said mexicans are raini irapists. he a president of the united states who said there are gunshots on every street corner in black communities. that's not true, but it's driving our policing and driving the way we con is ceptualize ou

policing. rather than partnering, we have policing that punishes. and that we be changed when we have a peace dividend that is three decades of historic lows in slint crime and 95% of police calls being about things that you could get something very different in response to, say, if you are homeless and are willing a mental illness moment, that there are other people who should be called and deployed. but if we don't get past race, if we don't get past our stereotypes, if we don't get past the fear mongering that police unions rachet up in our communities, every time they want to protect police officers who do wrong, then we won't ever get to doing right. >> i know we have lots of friends to talk to, maya, but i have another question. i've watched the video that i think is just bystander video, so, if there's other video that comes out, i will look at that video, too, but the video that i've seen shows an interaction

that isn't violent at all. shows that he was sleeping -- they spend 26 minutes together before this goes south. i mean, where -- it seemed like there were 26 minutes to keep this person alive and that it ended in the police murdering him -- it just -- can you just talk about how the more you see -- the footage makes it worse. it makes it worse, i mean, this wasn't someone they encountered who was erratic or hostile, this was a 25-minute interaction that was pretty standard until it wasn't. can you talk about how, in this -- here's some of the video, where it goes badly, off the rails. a taser is allegedly taken from the officer and that's when he's shot in the back. but can you talk about what maybe happens in those 25 minutes to make sure it doesn't end the way it ended for mr. brooks?

>> absolutely. so, let's start with the fact that the police are called because a car is not moving in the drive-through of a fast food restaurant. again, not a serious crime. so, we have a car that needs to be moved. they start to have a conversation with him and they start to get concerned that, is he tired, is he under the influence of alcohol? you know, obviously, we don't want anyone driving a car who is under the influence of alcohol, but the immediate risk to the public is if he is driving the car, not if he is just standing around, so, the question becomes, what do you do when the primary issue is getting the car out of the way and getting the man home safely, safe for himself, safe for others, because you can summons him if you believe there's a driving under the influence, you can prevent him from getting in the motor vehicle. so, the escalation that becomes the arrest is so often the

problem, and, you know, this reasonableness standard that we heard mayor bottoms talk about is going to be one of the factors we struggle with, because in this instance, i bet the other police officer would have said, but it was reasonable because we were afraid because he was fighting us, because he didn't want to be arrested. eric garner in new york didn't want to be arrested. george floyd didn't want to get in the police car. it doesn't mean it is a risk to public safety or to the lives of the officers. but it quickly turns into that and that's why we have to have different ways of responding to these very minor incidents that can be handled differently and not by police officers who are trained as the mayor of atlanta said, as warriors rather than guardians. >> you know, phil rucker, donald trump doesn't have any questions about any of these things, or,

if he has them, he's keeping them to himself and his twitter feed has always read like a map to just the dark underbelly of his psyche and his neuro cease and his' go, but that he actually used his own twitter feed -- i want to put you on the spot, did you write the story about his shaky walk down that ramp at west point, in part because he lied about the circumstances in which he seemingly struggled down it? until he tweeted, it was very slippery on a day in new york with no rain or wetness or, you know, mist or fog in the air, i'm not sure it was a story, but there he was, the video's up now, struggling, he takes one step with his left foot and the right foot comes and meets the left foot. and seems to walk with great difficulty, but until he tweeted about it, i'm not sure it would have warranted a story in "the new york times" and "the washington post" print editions today.

>> yeah, nicolle, i traveled with the president on saturday and the story that i wrote from west point was about the address that he gave to the graduates there. his commencement speech, it wasn't until the next day when overnight, the president tweeted and explanation for why he was walking so unsteadily down that ramp that we decided to write a new story simply about his explanation and about the way he handled that moment and what that video footage showed and didn't show, notably, the weather there was sunny, warm, the grass was totally dry, so, i'm not sure what he went by slippery on the ramp. we all saw the footage, he did run for the final ten feet. but nonetheless, he was so bothered, i think, by the criticism on twitter of that video, especially by the republican operatives like george conway and others with the lincoln project who have really gotten under the president's skin, that he took it upon himself to offer that

explanation, which was not entirely consistent with the facts and the reality that we all saw with our own eyes. so, that's what became the news story a day later. >> and here's why it matters. i worked for a president who had to brief out regular examines, none of its dignified when you have a doctor reading out all the gory details. when you have a cancer survive voshgs as john mccain was, sanjay gupta, any reporter with knowledge of medicine, comes through and rifles through every detail of your health history, because -- it's not even act the reporters. the american people have always, until this point, had a right to know about a president's health. this president had a mysterious visit to a hospital and brian and i were talking in the last block about just how extensive the health care offerings are for staff at the white house.

you can get vac natevax napted, can get a checkup, you can get counseling services, you can get a lot of medicine conducted at the white house as a staffer, you have to imagine there's even more available to donald trump there are any theories about why he went to the hospital earlier this year and any connection between his struggle to hold a water glass with one hand and that walk down the ramp? >> yeah, nicolle, there are plenty of theories, i'm not a medical expert nor do i have particular insight into donald trump's medical history, so, i'm not going to advance any of those theories, but there are a lot of questions that the white house has not answered about that trip to walter reed. they've been very quiet in explanning what happened there beyond the claim that the president was getting an early start on his annual physical, which was not completed, of course, until many, many months later, but that was a his tier use episode, when the president want to walter reed and we've learned very little about his

overall health, apart from the information that the white house physician has provided in those public releases. we should point out, by the way, that the president turned 74 yesterday, celebrated his birthday at his golf course in new jersey, and one reason that this is such a political issue for the president is because he makes his stamina and his strength a political issue. he ran against hillary clinton in 2016 by claiming he had some sort of super natural stamina compared to her and he's doing the same strategy again with joe biden, who is three years older at 77. saying biden is sleepy, he doesn't have the physical or the mental acuity to do the. >> jerome: as president. so, in a way, it sort of holds up a mirror onto trump himself and raises a lot of questions about his own physical fitness and mental health. >> rick, here's why it matters. president obama had an ability

after newtown to hold this country in his hands. and he proposed policies that may not have had 100% of the american people behind him on gun control, should have, but they didn't, but in our grief, at the unthinkable horrors of what happened in newtown, he held the whole country in his hands, as did joe biden, donald trump can't even hold a water glass. what are we talking about? >> i don't even know what to say about the water glass and -- but no, he has no empathy. he has no conscience. he has no feeling for the american public and what ails people, about what bothers them. you know, we have always had the president of the united states as a kind of benign father figure for the country. that's what we like best and that's how we want him to function and he's just unable to do that. he's the terrible father. he's the authoritarian father,

the punishing father, he's not the consoling or grieving father and that's something i think we all miss. and to your point about his holding the water glass, i am also not a physician or a doctor, i can't say anything about that, but one of the themes of your shows for the past three years has been the fact that there are normsch the th that he violates. norms that have always been partal part of american history, including the health reports and releasing your tax returns. we need, when we are past donald trump, to have the ability to look -- with that unvarnished transparency, the president's health reports. we're not allowed to indict him when he's in office, we're not allowed to sue him when he's in office, well, we need to know the health of the president before we elect him, governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. we need to understand who we're

electing. and he has been just a box with this. we need to know the medications he's taking, we need to -- he needs a mental acuity exam. i mean, those are all the things we deserve as the public and we need to do once he's out of office. >> well, and rick, just to tie it to the moment again, he doesn't just serve as a president elected by the people, he has an official capacity to the men and women who put themselves in harm's way, the men and women of the military, and there is a real crisis, not an existential one, a real one, four chirm of the joint chiefs, three former and the current, have expressed displeasure and disagreement with donald trump's conduct in the narrow capacity as this country's commander in chief for clearing peaceful protesters out of lafayette square all over the issues maya and i started the show talking about. there is a conversation to have

whether or not he's fit to serve as the country's commander in chief. >> absolutely. and, you know, we've talked about the 25th amendment in the past, and speaking of those military leaders, in the work that i did with folks in the pentagon and the military, when i was in office, i mean, one of the things they are, they are so conscious of and so proud of, is the civilian military relationship, the relationship between the american people and the military officers and rank and file who serve them. that's something they care about. well, trump is ripping that asunder. he's trying to pit the military against the citizenship that they serve and the chairman of the joint chiefs, all of the various generals have spoken out. they see how negative this is for the country, how negative it is for the relationship between the military and the public and that's why they're speaking out and trump is trying to -- to put that asunder. we need to get past that, when he is out of office and put that union between the military and civilians back together.

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tulsa, oklahoma, the city where donald trump is set to have his first campaign rally after the coronavirus lockdowns, is saying "please don't come." the president already caved to pressure he's received about the rally's date, moving it one day later after critics condemned his decision to hold it on ju juneteenth. but now the city itself is pushing back on the trip. the editorial board of the local paper, "stall wortulsa world," quote, "when the president of the united states visits your city, it should be exciting. we think a trump visit will be, but for all the wrong reasons." they spoke with the health department director, who said, quote, i'm concerned about our ability to protect anyone who attends a large, indoor event and i'm also concerned about our ability to ensure the president

stays safe, as well. joining our conversation, global health policy expert and m ssnb medical contributor dr. gupta. what is more dangerous about an indoor rally than an outdoor demonstration, as just a gathering? >> that's an important question, nicolle, and what we know, evolving science tells us that you're less likely troons mitt covid-19 in an outdoor space, because of air dynamics. ambient air and the wind is -- aten ewe waits transmission. in an indoor environment, those droplets that are getting expelled by somebody that might be infected more easily can transmit in a ten-foot radius around you. that's why being in a restaurant without face masks, being in a stadium with potentially 1 million people as the campaign is saying, has bought tickets, is a setup for a super spreader event. because it's indoors.

and that's the key piece here. the president equating this to the protests is fundamentally flawed, because protests in general are outside and that's a big, big variable here and we need to focus in on that. >> you know, i spoke to a doctor on the front lines like yourself in arizona, where cases are spiking. what is behind sort of the denial? i called it sort of mask-truthers or covid-truthers. why can't we get on the same page as a country about the way to go about reopening safely? why can't we come to any sort of agreement that masks don't belong on democrats or republicans, they belong on everybody who wants to get out of their homes and get to some semblance of prepandemic life? >> because the president doesn't want to do what's necessary, nicolle. i mean, that's been proven time and again. the -- it is not to the president's benefit, in their

calculation, to message on masks, to message on social distancing, because it's viewed as weak. when the president sets that tone at the top, it's impossible for the rest of us to counter the messaging of a bully pulpit. the surgeon general, for example, two days ago in dallas, said that the curve isn't flattening, it's patently false and jerome adams is entrusted -- he's one of us, we thought, to do no harm, to speak the truth, especially when it comes to the president. even if it means that your job is at risk. that's what we're losing here, we're losing messaging at the top and it's impossible for us to counter that, because we don't have the same bully pulpit. that's the challenge here, nicolle. >> what do you think is in store for us as a country? are we heading towards a second round of shutdowns and second spikes before the first one even seems to have -- as you said, bent? >> i think -- i think we are in certain places.

so, i think, if you are a county health commissioner right now, wrestling with a debate, do you go back to a lockdown, if you are in phase three, do you go back to phase one? the metric you want to look at is, what is your icu bed capability? what's the chances that some of your citizens might come and see a doc like me at the icu? if the trends are not looking good, that's when you know people are going to die. if we don't have enough icu beds. because the reality is, nicolle, we haven't suddenly had such an -- a permanent increase in icu bed capacity. four months ago we had this problem, we still have that same problem, so if we get in wrong, if tulsa is a super spreader event, which it is likely going to be, we're going to have more critically ill patients and we're not going to have a way to off-ramp it, we're not going to have a solution to that. so, that's the critical piece here and i think you're going to see in these select locales, where icu beds get stretched, we're going to have tactical lockdowns at least neshly. but a fall wave is going to look like an august wave, or likely.

>> oh, my goodness. dr. gupta, thank you so much. we'll be calling on you early and often. after the break, john bolton's silence during impeachment may have changed the course of american history. now, with his book due out soon, the white house is putting up a legal fight. details ahead. ♪

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course, legally and politically, with former national security adviser john bolton. his memoir is due out next week, but not if the white house has anything to say or do about it. remember, bolton's silence during the impeachment trial was much criticized, since he reportedly had information to provide, information that even he said should be of interest, but he kept it to himself until now, apparently. and just last hour, donald trump told assembled reporters that if bolton's book comes out, he will have broken the law. here's what trump said. >> i put him here because he couldn't get senate confirmed. this was a non-senate confirmed position, as you know. he stayed for a short while and i felt that it was not appropriate that he stay any longer, i wasn't impressed. and somebody said he went out and wrote a book. if he wrote a book, i can't imagine that he can, because that's highly classified information, even conversations with me, they're highly classified. i told that to the attorney general before.

i will consider every conversation with me as president highly classified. so, that would mean that if he wrote a book and if the book gets out, he's broken the law. and i would think that he would have criminal problems, i hope so. >> let's bring in democratic congressman eric swalwell to unpack that. he is the author of a new book that you should buy, "end game: inside the impeachment on donald j. trump." it's out tomorrow. we'll get to your book. but did donald trump just show his hand on overclassification? we know from the whistle-blower that there is a server that for normal presidents holds operational intelligence, really classified stuff, but for donald trump, it just hides -- it's where the lawyer, the nse staff, sticks embarrassing stuff donald trump says to foreign leaders. and it seemed that trump there just revealed that they classify every conversation he has, whether it's justifiably classifiable or not. >> nicolle, donald trump thinks

that classified information is what you read in the back pages of a newspaper. he has no idea what classified information is, but we do know that there has been an intent by the trump administration to try to classify information that they think is harmful. look, john bolton showing up on the scene now with a book is like a firefighter showing up at a building that's already burned with a fire hose and saying, guys, i got this. it's too late. so, i frankly don't really, you know, care to read what he's in the book, but i do want to hear fiona hill's book or bill taylor's book or the people who had the courage to show up and do the right thing instead of ledding our democracy burn before their eyes. >> and, i mean, i think that is the current against which he is going to swim. and john bolton would probably hate to hear this, but he'll find himself without a constituency. he's burned the bridges to the trump world, you hear right there, trump, arms folded, he's

going to get his bouncer, bill barr, the nation's attorney general, to get him legally. and i think you voiced the opinion of certainly a lot of our viewers, that he wasted his opportunity to do the right thing, to have the back and corroborate the accounts of fiona hill and marie yovanovitch and colonel vindman and many, many others. so, george conway atributes it to a gross miscalculation and faith that he placed in senate republicans actually wanting to hear from witnesses like himself. what do you think of that theory? >> well, we asked him twice. he was asked during the house investigation and then he threatened to take us to court and we didn't have time to fight in the courts as the president was trying to rig the upcoming election. we felt like we had enough evidence, his could have, of course, corroborated that evidence. and then he was asked to give an affidavit by chairman schiff during the impeachment trial in the senate and both times he walked away from his duty. but just imagine, had he had the

courage to come forward and the president would have been removed, we could have seen a covid crisis that was not as bad as it is right now. we could have seen, you know, perhaps some teaming in this country, as we continue to recognize black lives matter and we need police reforms. instead, john bolton, one of the few persons that could have brought true accountability to this president, really abdicated that duty. >> tell me about the book you've written about impeachment. >> well, nicolle, it chronicles, you know, what we did, the call to action of standing up to this president. it's a tribute to speaker pelosi, chairman schiff, who had the courage to move forward on it, but also the heroes who did risk their livelihood and their jobs to come forward. it also really condemns the republican colleagues of mine who put their own jobs forward instead of the job of holding the president accountable. and the people who told me so many times that they were afraid of standing up to the president because, as one said, when he

tweets, he wins. but we're not helpless, as we saw in impeachment. when you stand up to a bully, he backs down. we may not have removed him from office, but ukraine did get the aid that he was trying to hold back, only once our investigation begun. >> this is something i often wonder about, and i am glad to have a chance to ask you do you have any regrets about impeaching the president for essentially extorting a foreign leader to investigate joe biden? >> zero. but in fact, knowing now that the president and his team seem to still be working with russian operations, as it was just revealed last week in public reporting that there may be a link between oan and russia and ukrainian efforts to try and put more dirt on joe biden, i think we showed the public how sleazy of an operation this is and if the president trying to throw any last minute hail marys against vice president biden, i think his credibility has been pulver sized because it was

exposed during the impeachment proceedings. >> the new book on impeachment by congressman eric swalwell is out tomorrow. thank you for previewing some of that with us today. >> my pleasure. >> great to see you. after the break, joe biden carrying a major -- i would argue, the most important, one of the most important, demographics, by an historic margin over donald trump. who are they? and how might they, we, change the course of the next election? next. ♪ thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr+/her2- metastatic breast cancer, as the first hormonal based therapy. ibrance plus letrozole significantly delayed disease progression versus letrozole,

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2020 candidates is so wide. nbc news even describes it as a gender canyon. joining us now, editor for real clear politics, a.b. stoddard, and karin jean-pierre. i'm so happy to see you, karin. black women voted for donald trump in the smallest number and i was talking to maya at the top of the hour about how it's four african-american mayors right now who are really providing national leadership about this moment of reckoning, of grief and of rage about the state of racial injustice, about police brutality in america. it seems that they are now bringing the rest of women in america along with them. >> no, that's exactly right, nicolle. i think if you look at the last three years, almost four years of donald trump's presidency, women have led the opposition to donald trump. if you remember, the woman's

march, if you remember when he was literally putting babies in cages and taking them away from their parents at the border, just over and over again. and in 2018, just two putting b and taking them away from their parents at the border, over san over again. in 2018 just two years ago in the midterm election, women came out and handed the victory to democrats in the house and made up and down history in election. that's been the narrative for the three last three years. but i remember having this conversation with you when "morning jojoe biden announced his candidacy in april of last year. we watched that video. that really powerful video. i was of tzitting on step with when we saw knneonazis marching. that image was so striking. he said we're in the fight for the soul of this nation.

it still stands true today. and if you fast forward to today, we are living in two pandemics. really we are. we have in the covid pandemic. more than 11,000 people have died in this country alone. and also we are seeing the outpouring, just an outpouring of people taking to the street and saying enough is enough and asking for transformational change on systemic racism. so voters have to ask themselves. what do they want? do they want to continue four more years of this, of this really unevenness, this really chaos. or do they want steady leadership. this is going to be an election of our lifetime. this is where we are today. >> she's spot on as usual. joe biden intended to run a campaign about the soul of the country.

events have conspired to make that what will be on the ballot in november. >> right. if this really adversely affected the polling for the president, his response to the pandemic and his response to the demonstrations and the cries for police reforms. he's losing evangelicals, catholics, non-college white women, some conservatives. people and many, many seniors, people who really are the heart of his coalition. so he has a lot to be worried about. i think that joe biden clearly has more support right now if the election were held today. but the democrats can't afford another election that is decide ed by which voters stay home. what is the good news? those women turn ed out in the midterm elections. they got organized. they got registered. they volunteered. they got the vote out. and they voted and they helped

produce the greatest midterm showing in modern history. the problem is that registration was up this january. lots of intensity about the election. then the pandemic hit. and what we know now is registration is dangerously low, 50% below 2016 because those are door to door, person to person events. register voters door to door. you can register them at festivals and concerts, sporting events, et cetera and we're not having those. so it's really a question of how much of the coalition is registered and ready to go and how much they need to reach out to make sure they have every last voter not disenfranchised by confusion over ballots or any other problem and they get their supporters ready to go and out to the polls. >> talk to me about the stories we have been covering for the last two hours. the mayor coming out and announcing an order that she

hopes will become a model for the nation. but obviously she's dealing with another myrrh of an unarmed black men in the city saturday night. >> yeah, i want to give praise to mayor bottom because she has been a leader in this moment. she responded quickly. the country is in pain. this is something not just the anger that you see or the fatigue that you see from the communities not just because of the last three weeks. it's been an everyday feeling of systemic racism. so we have come to a place where people are are saying enough is enough. and you have a president in donald trump who doesn't believe that there's systemic racism in

this country. it's a law and order president. he's been made clear how he sees the law enforcement should behave with citizens. so this is the problem that we have. you have joe biden who has put forth sol real policing reform. so some language and some kind of comfort to bring the country together when we're void of that. so it's time to act and show leadership and time to move forward. what they were saying about the coalition. donald trump w donald trump won by a slim margin. so we have to make sure we build that coalition. not just reach out to women, but to the black community, the young people, older people and that's where we are. that's the focus not the polls, but how are we going to build that coalition moving forward. >>. >> i watched dave chappelle's

show. when she suggested that lebron james should shut up and dribble. i was watching that. maybe the best comeback to her and everybody else is to shut up and listen. it would seem the most productive thing for people to do that can't empathize or live this experience is just to shut up and listen. >> there's no question. i want to really give props to lebron james, who is very concerned about this issue of voting and getting people to the polls. it's what mayor bottoms talked about two fridays ago. about taking your passion, your rage, and your sorrow and energizing those around you to vote and how powerful and important that is. i think that the idea of listening is what's really lost in the president.

he's not been able to see this response to this country and how complicated it is that people believe that the police need to rebuild social trust right now. obviously, we're not pro arson or prothe looing. saying i want to deescalate to have the police rebuild that trust. he really wants to make it a contrast. i think that the whole country is listening while he's tuning this out. that's why you see all this damage for him in the polls. >> thank you both so much for spending some time with us. that does it for our hour. thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times our coverage tonights with katy tur after a quick break. and with new deals every day you can explore endless options at every price point.

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