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welcome to monday. it's "meet the press." we are beginning with breaking news. amid-a new wave of demonstrations following a fatal police shooting of a black man in atlanta. this afternoon the president told reporters that he is going to sign an executive order tomorrow focused on police reform. nbc news learned that the white house is expected to announce both legislative and executive actions. a civil rights activist and trial attorney tells nbc news that he is going to deliver a signing statement tomorrow alongside the president and the attorney general. he says the executive order will include language acknowledging systemic racism in policing. this afternoon while speaking with reporters the president spoke about the motivations behind this executive order.
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>> what's the overall goal of the executive order and all of these reforms? >> well, the overall goal is we want law and order and we want it done fairly, justly and we want it done safely. but we want law and order, but it's about justice also. and it's about safety. >> this news comes in the wake of george floyd's death, but it also follows another weekend of demonstrations. this time over the death of ray shard brooks, a black man shot and killed by police outside of a wendy's in atlanta on friday. after officers were called to the scene because brooks was sleeping in it his car in the drive-thru. the incident was captured by body cameras, surveillance footage and nearby camera phones. it shows that brooks was first cooperative with police. he fails a field sobriety test, but also offers to walk to his sister's house while leaving his
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car under police supervision. officers try to arrest him for driving under the influence. a scuffle ensues. brooks grabs the tads tase sort and begins to run away. he appears to turn back and point the tase sort at the officer, who then shoots him twice in the back. his death today was ruled a homicide. their were demonstrations and some unrest in atlanta following the incident this weekend. the city's police chief has resigned. the officer who shot and killed brooks has been fired. and the other officer at the scene has been put on administrative duty. earlier today members of the family spoke about the incident including his widow. >> there's no justice that can ever make me feel happy about what's been done. i can never get my husband back. i can never get my best friend. i can never tell my daughter, oh, he's coming to take you for
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swimming lessons. so it's just going to be a long time before i heal. it's going to be a long time before this family heals. >> this afternoon tlent mayor announced that she was signing a series of administrative orders on the issue of policing. this comes as leaders in congress are working on legislation to address the need for national policing reforms. joining us now on the ground in atlanta with the latest is morgan chesky. also shannon petty. let's begin with you. what has the may your's reaction been in response to the resignation of the police chief, the firing of the police officer? >> reporter: good afternoon to you. the reaction here and forgive me we have an afternoon thunderstorm rolling over us right now, but the reaction with
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every step taken by city leaders has been acknowledged by those on the ground protesting. for the succeed day in a row, protest urs put on temporary hold as a result of this weather. but they are acknowledging that something is being done from the resignation over the weekend to the firing of the officer and to the fullton county district attorney saying that he does plan to press charges by some point midweek against one or both of those officers. those charges include either manslaughter or murder. so as it stands right now, everyone here in atlanta is certainly still hurting following the death of mr. brooks on friday. however, they do know that this is going to be a long process and they are acknowledging that at least there are small steps being taken to towards a recourse towards justice. >> what about the administrative
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pom sits of the mayor or changes that the mayor is going to put in place over the atlanta police department? >> reporter: those changes will be certainly a drastic change from what we have seen in the past. this is going to increase oversight into that police department. and we know that these are just the beginning. we have seen protest after protest today calling for similar changes to what minneapolis city council is doing in their city. and that is not disbanding the police per se, but reallocating funds dedicated to the department to more community programs because they feel that's how they can create a safer community this that city. here in atlanta, the same calls are coming from crowds in front of city hall and the state capital today. and i do know it's a big step to go towards that. the reforms called nationwide for police changing is one that
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is already underway here in atlanta. >> and shannon, so the white house has announced they are going to sign an executive order tomorrow. there's a civil rights attorney that's signing on that will be preparing a signing statement alongside the president. what is the executive order going to look like as far as we know right now? >> of course, everything with this white house is very fluid. we will see what the president actually signs tomorrow. but our reporting so far indicates there's a few key items that are supposed to be in there. one is a national database that would track police officers who have been accused of repeated excessive use of force or misconduct. another is language in there to encourage mental health workers, social workers to work more closely with police and another aspect would be some sort of national standard for use of force that wouldn't be required
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for police officers to follow, but departments would be encouraged to use. now the president speaking moments ago referred to this as something that would be very kpcomprehensive comprehensive. jeff bennett has been talking to police union officials on this. talked to civil rights lawyer on this. said this is going to be something that's incremental at best. first off, there's only so much a president can do when trying to mandate what a local or state police department can do, but secondly, the president has been struggling for weeks now trying to balance what protesters want to see done and what law enforcement wants to see and as a president repeat ed in the cabinet room a few moments ago, this is something that's going to have the backing of law enforcement that's been emphasized by a number of white house officials to me. so expect to see a strong law enforcement component to this as well. >> they are also saying there will be a legislative component to this. what do we know about that and is there concern that maybe his
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signing an executive order on this might take the wind out of the sails for the motivation on the side of republicans in the senate to push something through. >> that's always a possibility. i was told by a source that the conversations behind the scene ibetween the white house and th hill are still going on. but that the white house is letting the hill and republicans up there take the lead on this because they do know that it's something that the president could touch and could make it toxic. so they want republicans on the hill to take the lead and the white house is trying to take a ba backseat. but the white house also wants to make it look like they are doing something. you see this executive order. when the president spoke, he talked about, well, maybe they will get something done on the hill. maybe they won't. but here's something we can do. so the president can say, a big part of his campaign pitch to black voters, is going to be he has taken action here. even if a lot of people are describing this as incremental. >> shannon petty, thank you so
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much. we're going to have more on those protests in atlanta in just a few minutes when i'll be speaking to the president of the atlanta chapter of the naacp. joining me now is hank johnson. he's a member of the house judiciary committee and represents an area just outside of atlanta. so congressman, thank you for joining us. this shooting happened within your district or at least it was very close to your district. the police chief has resigned. the officer has been fired. do you think that's enough? >> yeah, i think that that was a good first start for the chief to take responsibility and to resign. she had kind of lost a little credibility when she complained about district attorney paul howard quickly levying charges against the six is police officers who were involved in the tasing incident of the two
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young people for violating curfew a couple weeks ago. but a lot more needs to be done. it's a cultural shift for the atlanta police department that is needed. you saw an example of broken tail light policing on friday night with mr. rayshard brooks. broken tail light policing where anything that is a violation, you're going to get arrested for. these officers held him at the scene for 40 minutes before deciding to arrest him. they could have just let him go home with a friend or walk home or let him call a friend to come pick him up. they didn't catch him driving a
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car while under the influence. they caught him sleeping behind the wheel of a car. and that did not justify the heavy hand ed for the black communities so if he'd been in another community, they would have let him call his friend or whoever to come get him. that happens routinely in our society, but not in the black community. so there's a nood for a cultural change in the police department in atlanta and not just atlanta, but for police departments across the country. this type of policing is just not working. >> let me ask you about that specifically. i'm sorry for interrupting. the cultural change that you're talking about, what exactly does that mean, and how do you enact a cultural change within a
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police department? is it something that needs to be done legislatively? is it something that needs to be done through an administrative order like the mayor of atlanta is trying to do? is that something that only comes when you disband a police department and rebuild it from the ground up, as minneapolis says it wants to do? >> well, you don't have to destroy something in order to make it better. you can build upon the organization that is in place, in my opinion. and it requires statutes, federal, state, as well as county ordinances, city ordinances, directives by the mayor, executive orders and those have to do with training standards. so i'm glad that the george floyd justice and policing act of 2020, which we will mark up this wednesday in the house of representatives and the judiciary committee includes a
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national standard on the use of deadly force by police officers. that's going to go a long way towards stemming the tide of this kind of warrior mentality that has taken hold by police officers, as opposed to the guardian servant mentality, or way of policing. this warrior mentality is a throwback to the militarization of our police departments that has been creeping concern over the years has now gotten out of hand. people consider themselves on the police forces to be us against them. and consider it to be a battlefield opposed to the civilian sector that is being patrolled. they looked at occupy and destroy oppose d to coming in ad serve. protect and serve.
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so we have to change the mentality of those who are policing us and that comes from the top down, all the way from the federal government down to the state and local level in terms of legislation. >> you mentioned training. and officer wolf shs the medicine who shot his gun and killed brooks recently received use of force training and deescalation training. so that training is happening. i was speaking with somebody earlier today and asked is this something that you can retrain? can you do training better? they laughed at the question so it's a risk tick louse thing to say. >> well, i would respectfully
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disgraeagree. never give up on the human spirit to relearn. and certainly it has to come from the top down and it has to be mandated that you look at people who you are policing as people, not as animals, not as an enemy, not as combatants. but you look upon them as people and you treat them with respect and dig ty. so that comes with training officers and forbidding them? situations like this where you encounter a man who is asleep in a car. technically you can charge him with dui. but should you? should you just deescalate the situation, not make the situation worse for this young black man? should you just allow him to walk home to his mother's house like he offered to do? should you allow him to call a friend to come pick him up or should you just go by the book,
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broken tail light, broken window, we're going to lock you up. you're going to pay the fine and go to jail, you're going to mess up your record. i don't care. i'm just doing a job to pad my stalts as a police officer. that kind of policing has to change. if it takes changing the personnel, because they find that there are some who are unable to adapt to a new culture of policing, then you have to get rid of those people. and those who remain, you have to continue to train them, continue to work with them. and you also need to offer mental health assistance to these officers because many of them are operating under a post-traumatic stress situation. many of them may have been deployed to battlefields as national guards people or part-time rezerservists in the military.
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we don't know what's going through these officers' minds. we need to offer them the kinds of support that they need. but at no time should it be acceptable to shoot a man running away from you with a tas taser. with deadly tammunition that you're using. f fpz. >> heavy run i was running away was shot in the back. it was ruled a homicide by the medical examiner. congressman hank johnson, thank you very much. ahead, improving the relationship between the police and the communities they serve. i'll talk with the mayor whose family has personal experience with the criminal justice system about the changes being made in
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welcome back. amid-discussions and debates and demonstrations over police reform at both the local and federal level, as we said at the top of the show, atlanta's mayor announced she was signing a series of orders calling on thety's police department to implement new use of force policies. also today the nypd, the largest police department in the country announced a structural change of its own. eliminating the anticrime unit, which is comprised by plain clothes officer who blend in with the communities they serve, but it's also created tension in
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those communities. >> make no mistake. this is a seismic shift in the culture of how the nypd polices this great city. it will be felt immediately throughout the five district attorneys offices. it will be felt immediately in the communities that we protect. >> joining me now is the mayor of stockton, california, who y says the answer to police reform may not necessarily be changing department policies, but rather funding programs that combat poverty and create jobs. mayor, thank you for being here. so tell me in your experience, what has worked for your city? >> what's worked in the city of stockton, we definitely still have a lot of work to do. it's been a mixture of policy changes and understanding that law enforcement is not the appropriate response to homelessness, to poverty, to mental health and to housing and
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security. itso on the policy side, we hav been on the van guard of police department reform thanks to the leadership of our police chief eric jones and our community. we have done body cameras, bias training, procedural justice change, use of force policies and all those culminated in the city leading the state in decline in officer-involved shootings. but we have much more work to do. so we're working on reforms to the dispatch center to figure out which calls are 911 calls don't necessitate a police response but better handled by a social worker or a clinician. we're working with the union to set up some sort of review board to make sure there's added accountability. we're counting to understand to reforming policing, we have to fight poverty and improve education. we have to create jobs and do everything that's needed for our healthy and safe community. >> so where does this money come from? talking about funding
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extracurricular activities, funding community programs, a lot of cities said that money can come out of a police department budget. los angeles is doing it. there are calls from the new york city council to do that here with the nypd. where do you think that money should come from? >> i we had a billion dollar police budget in new york and l.a. to take money. ten times as much as our total city budget. but particularly in california a lot of the services come from agencies. it's not just the city of stockton, but the county that has a lot of services for mental health and the school district which has a lot of the education services. it's also about the taxpayer. so what i'm trying to do in stockton is have is a
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community-wide conversation about priorities and which is responsible for what. if we need to raise more revenue, how do we do so in a way that allows us to reach our goals, which is to be a safe and healthy community. >> let me ask you this. because i know there are a lot of people who are wondering what's wrong with the police department? maybe it is just a few bad apples, an issue of training and you can fix those things. you said something to aid owe the other day that was interesting. policing is personal for you. you grew up with a single mother. your dad has been your entire life. here's what you said. i'd like you to expand on this for people who don't understand part of it is wreckenireckoninge institutions that worked fine for you and your family, it
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doesn't work and hasn't historically worked for a lot of people. that's what people are upset about. that's what people want to see changed. tell me more. >> if you look at the history of policing and our police chief leads trainings with this, we understand that the institution and policing started with slave patrols. they were used for lynch mobs and then used to the type of civil liberties of proters. we're talking about the institution, but many is rooted in racism. and that we each and every day have to fight. and i think, again, if you grew up in a community with all the inputs, had a good school, grocery stores, banks, clean streets, then your response to this is like, this is not real. this is not my america. but for far too many people in this country, particularly people of color in this country, that's not the reality. they grow up in neighborhoods like the ones i grew up in. the only time you saw help from
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government was an officer patrolling the streets arresting somebody. there were more liquor stores than grocery stores. schools weren't properly funded. us you heard gunshots at night and where the only response consistently from the society to those ills was just law enforcement. i think this moment has called us to reckon in terms of how do we give every community the inputs work for healthy communities, which are a function of community policing, but also anti-poverty programs, jobs, good schools, clean streets, access to things like grocery stores. >> we're talking a lot about the police right now and trying to discuss what can be made so that what can be done so police department s are better. we're leaving out of the conversation what also needs to be addressed and we're not li living out, but we can talk about the structural inequalities, the issues that go far beyond our police departments and our entire
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communities and entire race of people in this country who have had to deal with it for not just their entire lives, but the entire time that black people have been in america. stockton mayor michael tubs, thank you so much for joining us today. and thank you so much for lending your experience and your experitees. we appreciate it. we hope to talk to you soon. ahead, we're going to talk to an expert about the spike in coronavirus cases in the south and why he's not surprised the fda is revoking its emergency authorization for the drug. the president did not back down on support iing it though today. >> i'm taking it. hydroxychloroquine. right now. a couple weeks ago i started taking it because i think it's good. i have heard a lot of good stories. it's not good, i'll tell you right. i'm not going to get hurt by it. was that your grandfather,
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just a quick correction. that last sound byte of the president talking about hydroxychloroquine was from a few weeks ago when he announced he was taking it today when asked about it, he defended his use saying he felt good about it. he feels good now. we're working on getting you that corrected sound byte our apologies. welcome back. as you heard from morgan chesky in atlanta, protest were gathered for a march on georgia.
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today's demonstration was organized by the naacp before the shooting death of rayshard brooks. it was planned after the deaths of george floyd, but the demonstration took on even more urgency. after brooks was shot and killed by a white atlanta police officer on friday. joining me now is one of the leaders of the march on georgia, the president for the naacp, in atlanta richard rose. i got tripped up on that teleprompter. thank you very much for joining us. so i think it's really hea heartbreaking to know that this march was planned after george floyd and after ahmaud arbery and suddenly in the time it took to get to the march, another black man was killed by police. >> sure, it's just verifies that america's law enforcement has
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not begun to recognize that black lives do actually matter. as your previous guest said, this stems from slave catching patrols. after that arrests of black men. so america has never recognized that it is rooted in racism. in a matter of speaking, the civil is war that is never ended. it's continued and it was so great to see all the people turn out today. that we speak into georgia's legislature. to address some of the things that woer asking for like repealing the citizens arrest statute. repeal stand your ground, if a police officer is brought before a grand jury, a case is brought
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before the grand jury, a police officer and his/her attorney can be present in the proceedings and testify but also can refuse to be cross examined by asserting the fifth amendment privileges. >> do you have any bipartisan support for those demands? >> we do have some bipartisan support. but it's not enough. that was a bipartisan bill passed in the house against a hate crime legislation. but it's in the senate. georgia is still wedded to the ways of the past. georgia's home to the largest shrine to white supremacy in the history of the world. and all of that oppression and discrimination is embodied in voting right practices, in health care, in housing, in economics, all facets of life.
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>> you need to pass legislation. is there room for compromise all compromise is done throughout history. it's continued to oppression. it's continued the denial of rights and benefits. so that citizen counties by themselves can decide whether they want to remain to the police call statements of the past, which these represent. >> richard rose, thank you very much for joining us. the president of the naacp in atlanta. we appreciate your time, sir.
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coming up next, as coronavirus cases rise in the south, medical experts are sounding the alarm when the risks of the president's planned campaign rally this weekend in tulsa. it's going to be inside. we'll hear from a doctor who is speaking out about the threat to public health. for what you need! [squawks] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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welcome back. we're seeing a surge in coronavirus cases at 22 states. much of them in the south or many of them in the south. yesterday accounted for more than half of u.s. cases. as you can see in these charts, cases in the west are are also trending upwards. here's a look at states with increases over the last 72 hours. the uptick in the south is driven by states like arkansas, north and south carolina and texas recoported a record numb hospitalizations on sunday. a clear sign the number of severe cases is going up there.
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and oklahoma reported a record number of new cases on saturday just a week before president trump plans to hold a 19,000-person rally there. tulsa's health director says he's worried about the president's supporters at that rattlly. as well as the president himself. joining me now is the senior scholar. always good to see you. let's start with the president's rally. there are health officials who are worried about the protests as well. but they say at least the protests were outside. the president's rally is going to be inside. we know the president's aversion to masks. he said so publicly. at the same time, the campaign will be handing out masks and doing temperature checks at the door. also hand sanitizer. is there a way to have that rally inside with that many people and to do it safely? >> it would be extremely
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challenging to have a mass gathering be safe in the current environment. we know that there are going to be case there is. there's likely going to be an exposure there. the contact tracing team will have to go to work on trying to identify who was in contact with whom. thateven as we start to get bac normal, mass gatherings are going to be very challenging and very hard to keep safe. i think that's going to be the case at this rally. >> i think the president's team knows that because they are asking people to basically sign a health waiver, a legal waiver that endem any if is if they catch the disease while they are inside. which in itself speaks volumes. let's talk about now the cases around the country. the states it's going up. a lot of states have early reopenings before they hit their peak. that means that as they reopen, they were still in an upward trajectory. what are we going to see now?
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>> you're going to see another heterogeneous picture across the country. there's going to be states that may get themselves into trouble in terms of hospitalizations. we're hearing about that in arizona. we heard about it earlier in alabama. texas has also something that's worrying. it's not just the number of cases. it's the percent positivity. of the tests are going up, that's going to be what the trigger is for really having to worry about that state. because cases are going to go up no matter what people interact. are they being controlled. can they be traced to a known chain of transmission. nobody knows how they got sick. that's what we're going to have to see. it's going to be challenging in some states. >> are we going to see a scenario where this is somewhat seasonal? i mean, are you seeing any indication that maybe the number of cases will go down in the hotter months and then potentially could come back in
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the fall. what do we know about the virus right now? >> we know that other coronaviruss do have strict seasonality. this one, though, because so many people are susceptible and so much human to human transmission, it's not exhibiting that type of seasonality yesterday yet. it's probably affected by the environment in terms of service transmission when there's more uv radiation when the humidity changes. that may decrease service transmission. it doesn't have an impact on person to person. i don't know we'll get a trough before the fall. we may see a level of spread and then that spread intensify as it gets colder. so it may take some time to kick in. >> are we in a state where we can as a nation handle the number of coronavirus cases that might go through our hospital doors? have we been able to get enough ppe? are there enough tests?
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are there enough ventilators? are we in a place to handle a surge if it comes? >> it depends on how big the surge it is. hospital capacity looks good. we're worried about arizona where there's been an increase in hospitalizations. but in general, i think we're in a much better place in june of 2020 than in march of 2020. but we have to be vigilant. we have to keep an eye on all the time on b hospital capacity and make sure they have enough ppe and that's going to be the key metric going forward. keeping hospitals operating. now they are doing other stuff. they started to do other surgeries and care. so we want to make sure we're not crushing them with the number of cases because of what our behaviors do. it's going to be challenging going forward without a vaccine. >> doctor, thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate all of your expertise and information and guidance in this crazy time. coming up next, a landmark
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supreme court ruling protect in the rights of lgbtq workers. thousands gathered to protest the deaths of two black transgender women. stay with us. life isn't a straight line. and sometimes, you can find yourself heading in a new direction. but when you're with fidelity, a partner who makes sure every step is clear, there's nothing to stop you from moving forward. instead of using aloe, or baby wipes, or powders.
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on the basis of their sexual orientation or gender identity. it was a surprising outcome to many who feared that an increasingly conservative court would go the other way. even more surprising was the position of justice neil gorsuch who joined justice roberts in a 6-3 majority. before this morning, only 21 states had full lbgtq discrimination protections. after today, lbgtq americans will be protected in the other 29. joining me now is kristen clark. thanks for joining us today, kristen. i know we keep talking about how surprising it is to have justice gorsuch not only rule in the majority but write the majority opinion. i guess his response would be that he is a textualist and he was going by the letter of the
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law in the 1964 civil rights case. >> it's a remarkable ruling, and historic moment for those who have been fighting for lbgtq rights in our country. this recognizes the dignity of lbgtq people and the central role they play in our economy. it recognizes that we're becoming an increasingly diverse nation and that all people are entitled to full protections under our civil rights laws. title 7 of the civil rights act of 1964 is a bedrock civil rights statute that plainly prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex. and in the historic ruling, authored by justice gorsuch today, he agrees that when employers terminate somebody's job because they are transgender or because of their lbgtq status, they're doing so because of sex. so it's an important ruling that
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provides protections to millions of americans, many of whom were incredibly vulnerable. in about after the states across our country, there were no state law protections for lbgtq people, and efforts have failed since 1974 to put in place a federal law that would provide them protection. >> so what's interesting is pete williams summed it up really well earlier today. he said basically somebody who got married on friday could have walked into work friday afternoon and gotten fired from their job. and then on monday would have been protected from being fired from their job. i believe he sounded a little more concisely and eloquently than i did. but just the turn of events here and how sharp it is, you can get married but you were not protected from being fired from your job. and there's something likes who
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experiencing a form of mistreatment in the workplace. >> it corrects a great injustice in our country. when congress adopted the civil rights act of 1964, they sought to deal with the crisis of discrimination based on race, based on gender, based on sex. justice gorsuch arrived at the right outcome here. it was a 6-3 ruling, with justices alito, thomas, and kavanaugh in dissent. i believe justice alito deemed the case a travesty and felt that the outcome here should have been one left to political process. but time and time again, efforts have been made to get congress to place a federal law that would provide protections that are now extended to a group of americans who deserve the right and the dignity to work like any other american in our country.
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>> are there any other lbgtq cases that will be affected by this precedent? >> we'll have to see. that's something that the dissenting justices talked about, the potential ripple effect. what's most important at the end of the day is that we are protecting the civil rights of all americans. we are recognizing the dignity of lbgtq people who face unsufferable amounts of discrimination, particularly when you think about people who lie at the intersection of race and lbgtq discrimination in particular. so now is the time for us to turn the chapter, if you will, and deal with the full range of discrimination faced by transgender people in our country. it's not just in the workplace, but today is an important and monumental victory for the lbgtq movement and for those who care about protecting the civil
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now. and i leave you in mr. melber's very capable hands. >> thank you very much, good to see you and welcome to "the beat." i am ari melber. good to be back with you. this week beginning with lots of news. today, we saw a landmark ruling on civil rights from the supreme court. with an interesting coalition forming to protect lb ghrvegtq americans. we're joined by one of the top lawyers to argue before the court to break it all down. and then i have to tell you, this is one of those nights where, for all the developments out there, good, bad, in between, however you feel about it, i can tell you we're very lucky to have some of the most consequential guests lined up for you. later this hour, the most powerful democrat in washington on issues of law and justice, jerry nadler is back on "the beat" live tonight to discuss, including his clash with attorney general barr. and we have
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