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pictures of their children killed by police. she also invited those three women to join her at a 2016 awards show to remind them that the conversation is being picked up and for others it has been pushed for a very long time. that's our final thought on "the beast." we'll be back here at 6:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow night. good evening. i'm steve kornacki in new york. tonight outrage and calls for police reform are continuing to grow in the streets of atlanta, this following another killing of a black man at the hands of police. on friday night, officers responded to a call that 27-year-old rayshard brooks was asleep in his car and blocking a wendy's drive-through. body camera video from the
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atlanta police department showed an initially calm interaction between the officers and brooks. but police say a struggle ensued after brooks failed a sobriety test. eyewitness video caught the apparent struggle, during which investigators say brooks grabbed a taser from one of the officers. surveillance video provided by the georgia bureau of investigation appears to show brooks turn and point the taser at the officer while running away. the officer responded by firing at brooks three times. an autopsy ruled his death a homicide caused by two gunshot wounds to the back. the officer who shot brooks has been fired. a second is on administrative duty and atlanta police chief erica shields resigned in the wake of the brooks shooting. the district attorney says he will make a decision whether to file criminal charges in the fatal shooting by the middle of this week. rayshard brooks' death ignited a fresh wave of anger over police
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violence in atlanta and across the country over the weekend. this less than a month after the killing of george floyd in minneapolis sparked nationwide protests that are still ongoing. today the georgia naacp held a march on the state capitol, calling on lawmakers to make changes to their criminal justice and voting laws in the state. brooks' family thanked the community for its support and asked for all protests to remain peaceful. >> there is no justice that can ever make me feel happy about what's been done. i can never get my husband back. i can never get my best friend. i can never tell my daughter, oh, he's coming to take you skating or swimming lessons. so it's just going to be a long time before i heal. it's going to be a long time before this family heals. >> and i am joined by msnbc
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correspondent blayne alexander who is in atlanta. blayne, obviously this incident coming on the heels of what happened in minneapolis of everything that atlanta, that minneapolis, that this country has been going through. just take us through what it is like in atlanta right now. >> reporter: steve, what we're seeing right now at the wendy's where that shooting occurred, the wendy's that was subsequently set on fire 24 hours later, what we're seeing is a steady stream of people. the same thing we've seen the past few days or so. it's turned into a place where people have come, they have gathered, left balloons and other tributes, signs and different things in rayshard brooks' name. the biggest question is now that the disciplinary action has been handed down, one officer terminated, another placed on administrative duty, the big question is will there possibly be charges in this case. that decision of course comes down to the district attorney in this area, the fulton county d.a. i spoke with him and he said he plans to announce his decision
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on this case as early as wednesday as to whether or not he will bring charges. really the central issue that it comes down to is whether or not brooks, even as he was running away, was in a position to have caused any sort of harm to the officers or any other member of the public. so here's poring through a number of the videos as are other investigators, but we should expect to hear that decision sometime this week. the other piece i want to tell you is for the first time tonight we're hearing the 911 call that brought officers to this wendy's in the first place. it's less than two minutes long and apparently comes from an employee of the wendy's saying that brooks had fallen asleep, was blocking the drive-through, people had to drive around. when the 911 operator asked whether they believed brooks was armed, the operator said no, i think he's intoxicated. steve. >> blayne alexander in atlanta. thank you for that. we will obviously be watching closely for that decision from the district attorney. meanwhile from atlanta to
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the nation's capital where president trump told reporters today that he would sign an executive order tomorrow to address police reform in america, although trump offered only a few details of what it might entail. s.l. merit told nbc news the package is expected to feature both legislative and executive measures, including databases that track police officers with multiple instances of misconduct and also that the executive order includes language acknowledging systemic racism in policing. the pbs news hour was first to report on the expected order, noting that it is likely to contain several measures, including the creation of national standards for use of force as well as tracking police misconduct. for more now i am joined by yamiche alcindor. exactly who we want to talk to on what we can expect tomorrow from this apparent executive order that's on its way.
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>> well, what we can expect tomorrow is an executive order that's really going to be the first time that president trump in action since the killing of george floyd will address in a substantive way the issue of policing and bias in policing. so the order is supposed to have five parts. the first will be an acknowledgement that the activities and actions of law enforcement have fed into the mistrust among the african-american community and americans at large. then, there's supposed to be an establishment and the president will ask the attorney general to head this up, an establishment of national standards to track police officers that are accused of wrongdoing. also track officers who might quit if they are in the middle of an investigation. it's also supposed to look at whether or not programs and departments can be done more when it comes to mental health facilities and working with mental health officials. so it would be trying to get departments to work with social workers or psychologists when they get a call that someone is distraught. the other thing we're looking at that we expect this executive order to do is look at the issue
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of how police departments go about credentialing and getting themselves ready and accredited for keeping americans safe. the other thing that the legislation is supposed to do is ask congress, along with the attorney general and health and human services secretary, all of them to work together to come up with more substantive legislation. white house officials say this isn't going to deal specifically with systemic racism, but an attorney who works closely with a lot of these families affected by police killings, he said he expects this to be a step in the right direction. >> on that front, yamiche, there's reporting from you that ahmaud arbery's family might be meeting with the president tomorrow in advance of this executive order. he was not shot by police, but it was some locals in a neighborhood who chased him down and he was shot and killed. talk a little bit about that, if you will. what's going on there? >> from my understanding, a number of families, including
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ahmaud arbery's, but botham jean and other families impacted by police killings are supposed to be meeting private low with the president. i'm told these families are very sensitive to the idea they don't want to be used as props. it's likely we might not see photos of president trump with those families, but ahmaud arbery's family and a couple of other families will come to d.c. to attend a meeting with president trump, as well as attend a congressional hearing on the issue of policing. >> all right, yamiche alcindor, thanks as always for joining us, appreciate that. over the weekend, senate republicans outlined some of their ideas for a reform proposal slated for release on wednesday. south carolina senator tim scott, who is leading the republican effort, said there was a path forward in congress, calling chokeholds a policy whose time has come and gone. but he was cautious about banning no-knock warrants in drug cases because of a lack of data outlining how the warrants are served.
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banning both chokeholds and no-knock drug warrants are elements of a bill unveiled by house democrats last week. scott said another democratic proposal ending qualified immunity for police, making it easier to fire officers and easier to sue them is a nonstarter for republicans. >> qualified immunity is off the table. they see that as a poison pill on our side. so we're going to have to find a path that helps us reduce misconduct within the officers. >> and i am joined now by the house majority whip, congressman jim clyburn of south carolina. congressman, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. so you've put your bill out. democrats in the house have put their bill out on this. you've heard tim scott now, who's sort of the point man for senate republicans on this, start to outline what he thinks in his view should and shouldn't be in a bill. do you see the grounds for a
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compromise here at all? >> well, thank you very much for having me. yes, i do. i always see a ground for compromi compromise. we put our bill out, justice and policing. it's a very comprehensive bill. it is not anything new. we have been at these things for a long time. we have the no chokehold. that's been around for a while. hakeem jeffries has been working on that. demilitarizing the police. hank johnson of georgia has been working on that ever since he's been in the house of representatives. and many, many other issues. so what we've done is brought all these things that the congressional black caucus had been working on for some of them as long as i've been in the congress. we put them all into one piece of legislation. take e tilmmitt till, the no lynching bill.
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the fact of the matter is george floyd was lynched. that wasn't simple murder, he was lynched. so we really ought to have an anti-lynching bill. the senate, as you know, has stopped that from happening. hopefully we put all these things in this one comprehensive bill and i thank karen bass for the tremendous work she did putting that together. i understand she is doing the negotiating with tim scott and other republicans in order to reach some compromise. now, it's not going to be everything that i want and won't be everything that all members of the congressional black caucus would want. but hopefully it will be significant enough for us to call it a giant step forward. and hopefully we can get to where we need to be. but i want people to remember, the house is one-third, the senate is a second one-third and the president is a third one-third. so we're going to do our part. hopefully we can get the senate and the president to do their part. >> well, you mention the
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president. let's talk about the president. apparently there's an executive order from the president on its way tomorrow. i don't know if you just heard yamiche alcindor laying out what she expects to be in it, but an acknowledgement of law enforcement's actions causing distrust in the african-american community, national standards for policing, a database to track officers around the country, mental health assistance for police officers. the outlines of this executive order, is this what you expect tomorrow? and what do you make of it? >> all that sounds good, but it is an executive order. if he can issue it, he can rescind it. i want to see legislation. so everything he's put in that executive order may be good. i would love to see them come to the table, put those things in the legislation, because the data tracking of police officers going from town to town carrying their brutality with them, we want to be able to keep up with
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that. that's what happened in ferguson, as we know. so, yes, it's a good start. but i still want to see it in legislation. now, there is one piece to that we may have missed in our bill but i have not heard about and that is school discipline. what i seem to have forgotten and never should have, the number of times that police officers are called to public schools. and i'm remembering today a little 12-year-old child put in handcuffs by a local police called to the school by school authorities. this is the kind of stuff you've got to stop. those are social work problems. mental health problems. we've got to get those things out of policing and maybe we need to put that in legislation as well. >> and finally, the backdrop for an anniversary, all of this for a backdrop of an anniversary coming up that this nation will acknowledge on wednesday, the
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fifth anniversary of that massacre that took place at the mother emmanuel church in your home state of south carolina. in light of the national conversation that's taking place right now, what are your thoughts on that anniversary coming up? >> well, thank you very much for bringing that up. i will be participating tomorrow and the next day in events portending to that. but you know, steve, yesterday i went back and watched the documentary "emmanuel" again and i found something very amazing. i watched dylann roof, who had just killed nine people in the basement of a historic black church, nine black people, a 21-year-old self-proclaimed white supremacist. i watched his arrest yesterday. when those three or four policemen approached his car, they had guns drawn. but when they went to the door to take him out of the car, the
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lead policeman put his gun back in the holster. they didn't drag him out of the car. they didn't slam him to the ground. they treated him with dignity and respect. that's all that black people are asking for, treat these people that you are arresting with dignity and respect. that is the difference. >> all right, congressman james clyburn, democrat from south carolina. thank you for joining us, appreciate it. >> thank you. and coming up, we are going back to look at the coronavirus and the lockdowns. more and more people heading out of their homes to work, to eat, to shop, to worship, to protest. after months of stay-at-home orders, what is reasonable and what is realistic right now? plus, the battle for the senate and what a surprisingly close race in the state of iowa might be telling us about republican efforts to keep their majority. we've got much more to get to. stay with us. diagnosis
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welcome back. more than 2 million americans have now been infected with the coronavirus. with nearly 117,000 losing their lives. many states have positive test rates that are flat or falling right now, but there are four states where that positivity rate has been over 10% for the last two weeks. those two states are alabama, arizona, south carolina and mississippi. the country has also significantly increased daily testing. nearly half a million per day right now. more and more people are now leaving their homes and congregating in public. this is something we have seen for more than two weeks now with mass protests taking place in cities all across the country giving rise to concerns that this could aid the spread of the virus. those concerns also being voiced by public health experts, as many people also head out to newly reopened businesses and not always while following cdc
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guidelines. large crowds gathered over the weekend in the east village and it was the same in nashville where crowds flocked to kid rock's honky-tonk and other bars. in some states there is alarming data in terms of rethinking reopening plans, however, that same concern was shown following that overly packed pool party in the lake of the ozarks in missouri over memorial day weekend and that apparently has not resulted in any mass spreading. dr. scott gottlieb says it is time for health officials to build up the public's confidence and minimize weariness. he wrote this quote, the public is clearly willing to follow focused guidance but broad shutdowns are unlikely to be tolerated this summer and, therefore, are unlikely to be proposed, regardless of what the epidemiology shows. for more i'm joined by the mayor of phoenix, arizona, and dr. ashish ja. thank you both for being with
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us, appreciate it. mayor, let me begin with you. you are in one of those states where clearly this is not just an issue of testing, the positive rate is increasing as well. you have more cases, you have more tests that are coming back positive as well, so something is happening there in arizona. my question to you is what do you want to do about it? do you want to go back to a stay-at-home order or do you think that ship has sailed at this point? >> i would like to see us follow the centers for disease control guidelines. in arizona we opened very quickly and ahead of cdc guidelines. we went to phase three in many areas. so, for example, nightclubs are now open in arizona and public health experts are telling me that that up close transmission where you're not wearing masks is among the most dangerous indoor situations that we can have. i also would love to see a strong masking push in arizona.
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right now our governor has said that we do not want to mandate that and that mayors cannot. but we know that masking is important because it slows transmission, but also sends a signal that we are still in a crisis, which the arizona numbers demonstrate. 27% of the cases that we've had in my county, the entire time we've been tracking, occurred in the last week. >> what do you think is causing that? you mentioned nightclubs being opened. what about, you just mentioned this, do you think the protests are going to contribute to this? >> what public health officials have told me is cases are rising throughout arizona including communities that did not have any protests. if we look at the data to the extent we have it, particularly with fatalities, it seems to be most linked to indoor transmission. so certainly any contact can spread covid-19 and we need to
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be concerned. but epidemiologists are telling me that if you look at the data, it tracks most closely with lifting the stay-at-home order. >> dr. ja, let me bring you in on that because that does seem to be a key point possibly. is that your sense of this, the difference between indoor and outdoor transmission? do you think that's significant? and if so, how should that be shaping how that is and isn't open, where people are gathering? >> thanks for having me on. the mayor clearly has some good epidemiologists that she's listening to because everything she's said is right as i see it. what we know is large gatherings are dangerous, they're risky, but they are much more risky when you have large numbers of people getting together indoors than when they're outdoors. we also know masks really do help reduce the risk. my best assessment of what's going on in arizona, as the
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mayor said, the state really opened up too early, did not meet the cdc guidelines and did not meet the white house guidelines. and it was a risk. what we are seeing unfortunately is a spike in cases. i think the key here is to intervene now so that we don't have to think about a shelter-in-place order down the road. there's a narrow window of action here and we've got to take it. >> when you say there's a narrow window of action and you don't want to return to shelter-in-place, what would you be talking about? >> i think things that create large indoor gatherings. nightclubs may be a lot of fun but i wouldn't do it. i would move backwards. i would want rid of the nightclubs. think about how many people you have in indoor restaurants and move to outdoor spaces. any large indoor gatherings is a risky thing and i would push for a universal masking. i think that's really critical. if we do all of those things in
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arizona, i think there's a pretty good chance we can slow this down and avoid getting to a place where the only choice left is shelter-in-place. >> so mayor, in terms of where you'd like to see things in arizona right now, is there an argument for thinking of more ways to open up outdoor spaces to give people a possibility to do things there but be outside as opposed to indoor? >> part of it is just sending a message to our residents that they have to take this seriously. when i talk to people, particularly people who do not follow the news closely, they are stunned by the increase and the fact that arizona is a hot spot. i think many people in my community thought this would follow the patterns of the seasonal flu spread where it really declines during summer and so they thought we were home free. the message i am trying to send as mayor is not only are we not home free, we are in the midst of a crisis. i would encourage people if they
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can find good ways to spend time outdoors that they do so, particularly a great morning hike. phoenix has more acres of parks than any other city in the united states, so there are good opportunities, as long as you practice social distancing. >> there's also president trump today, he downplayed concerns about the rise in coronavirus cases that are being seen in some places. he attributed this to the increase in testing. take a listen. >> our testing is so far advanced, it's so much bigger and better than any other country that we're going to have more cases. we're always going to have more cases. as i said this morning, that's probably the downside of having good testing is you find a lot of cases that other countries who don't even test don't have. if you don't test, you don't have any cases. if we stopped testing right now, we'd have very few cases, if any. >> dr. ja, i looked at this too and mentioned this at the beginning. the number of tests per day is sitting at about 461,000 for the last two weeks.
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i can remember being in this studio maybe about two months ago looking at numbers like 30,000, 40,000, 50,000 a day. so testing has come a long way here in a short time. is that -- i know at the beginning, it's fair to say there were all sorts of issues. but is testing right now do you think getting close to where it needs to be? >> testing initially was abysmal and now it's inadequate. it's not anywhere near where it needs to be. i don't know of any expert that says 400,000 for a country or size is enough. and the estimates of how many we should be doing vary from 1 million a day to 5 million a day so we're still pretty far behind. i hear the president and i understand what he's saying. on a per capita basis, there are many countries, many advanced countries that are doing a lot more testing than we are. so that's not the explanation. the reason we have more cases is not because we're doing more testing, it's because we actually have more infections in this country. and not identifying them and
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closing our eyes won't make them go away, it just will mean we won't know about them until our hospitals get overwhelmed. so we need to be doing more testing, not less testing. >> all right, thank you both for being with us, appreciate that. coming up, a landmark supreme court decision on lgbt rights. nbc's pete williams joins me next. stay with us. usaa was made for right now. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do. we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can take care of things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. right now is the time to take care of what matters most. like we've done together, so many times before. discover all the ways we're helping members at usaa.com/coronavirus midas can help get you there. through july 4th celebrate your freedom
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welcome back. in a major decision today, the u.s. supreme court ruled that the 1964 civil rights act protects gay and transgender employees from workplace discrimination. it was a 6-3 vote for the conservative court. the four liberal justice its were joined by chief justice john roberts and in a surprise to many, justice neil gorsuch, a trump appointee. it was gorsuch who authored the majority opinion. it enraged many of the legal scholars and activists who had lobbied for his appointment. the trump administration had argued that the 1964 law did not cover discrimination over sexual orientation. it may represent a political setback for the president who made the appointment of conservatives a key promise during his 2016 campaign. >> the justices that i am going to appoint will be pro-life. they will have a conservative bent. >> you know i've picked through
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federalist society, we picked 11 supreme court justices. we're going to add probably four more. all vetted. the biggest thing a president can do, they have always said, is supreme court justice. i've been there less than two years and i have two of them. we have judges that are very young. they'll be there for 40 years. think of it. 252 judges, 2 supreme court justices. nobody has e.ver done things lie this. >> and some conservatives have pointed to gorsuch's appointment to make the case for trump's re-election. in a recent book, ralph reed argued that the 2017 appointment of gorsuch had shown that, quote, all the doubts, the reservations, even suspicions that trump's critics had, every one of them had been false. i'm joined now by pete williams, nbc's chief legal correspondent. pete, thanks for joining us. let's start on this decision. it seems that the fact that
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gorsuch voted the way he did and then authored the opinion on this caught many by surprise. how big of a shock was that? >> double. i'd say the fact that the court made this decision and that he wrote the decision. you know, obviously he was assigned the decision by chief justice roberts because whoever is the senior most justice in the majority assigns the opinion and i think he wanted to reinforce the fact that this was based on the text of the reading of the law. gorsuch says this the majority opinion clearly when the civil rights act was passed in 1964, nobody was thinking about sexual orientation or gender identity, but it's not what was in the minds of congress that counts, it's the words of the law that make the difference. and he said it's basically hard to take the sex out of sexual orientation. >> so in terms of the politics of this, we were playing some of those clips from the 2016 campaign. donald trump took an extraordinary step as a candidate in 2016 and publicly
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released the names of perspective justices he would appoint, neil gorsuch was among them. it's been argued that this was the reason he got such strong support from evangelical christians. fair to say this is not a ruling they expected? >> oh, i think that's fair to say. i don't know, though, how important this issue was to them. you know, i think the abortion question is much more important for people that were hoping donald trump would put more people on the supreme court. and who knows where neil gorsuch will be on that. we're going to get a big abortion decision here in the next couple of weeks, the one from louisiana that said abortion clinics have to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals, so we'll see how he voted on that. justice gorsuch did give a little glimmer this might be the direction he was going when this case was argued a mere eight months ago. >> i'm curious, take us inside the court here because we think of it as a conservative court because of who did the appointing of these justices,
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but you had gorsuch writing the majority opinion here. you had john roberts siding with the majority as well. you had a dissent from sam alito who was appointed by george w. bush back in 2006. is this a one issue divide or does this speak to a broader divide on the right side of that court? >> remember, this is not unlike the gay marriage decision. this was not a constitutional interpretation question, this was not -- this was a statutory interpretation. what does this law mean. so in a sense it is confined to this specific law, title vii of the civil rights act. this is an issue that has divided the lower courts. alito in his dissent says this is legislating, this isn't deciding. interestingly, justice kavanaugh says i agree, this is for congress to decide, not the court. but at the very end he says gay and lesbian people and transgender people have been working very hard to make some good policy arguments and i'm sure that they had every reason
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to be proud of this decision. >> all right, nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. thanks for joining us. appreciate it. >> you bet. up next, we've got -- we've been talking about the race, the battle for the senate. democrats trying to get that majority from republicans. obviously hoping they get help from the top of the ticket from joe biden. there's a certain set of states we always talk about as the battleground. we may have to expand that list. i'll show you when we get back. . that's why, at cancer treatment centers of america, we aren't waiting. we're right here, still focused on the only thing we do, providing world-class cancer care, all under one roof. because cancer isn't just what we do, it's all we do. cancer treatment centers of america. call now for an appointment.
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all right. this is a set of numbers you're going to be seeing a lot between now and november. this is the current balance in the united states senate. democrats of course in the minority, 47 seats. republicans with 53. democrats obviously this year, they are hoping not just to unseat donald trump, not just to have biden beat trump, but to have biden beat trump and to bring in with him a democratic senate, which potentially would go hand in hand with the democratic house presuming they held that in this scenario.
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for that to happen, democrats need a net gain of three seats. that would get them to 50. if biden is president, then the biden vice president breaks the tie in the senate, democrats have the senate so they need three and a biden win. now, some interesting numbers we've gotten in the last couple of days and i want to show you how it affects the battle for the senate map. first of all, these are all the seats that are up this year, the party that currently occupies them. not all of these are going to be close races so let's take you through what the battleground looks like. one state stands out. this is alabama. this is where doug jones won that special election. doug jones has a very, very steep uphill re-election fight. we'll see who the republicans nominate. is it going to be tommy tuberville or jeff sessions. this will be a tough slog for doug jones no matter what. this very, very possibly will be a loss for democrats. so right away we said they needed three and a biden victory. without alabama, it becomes four and a biden victory. now, let's take you where they
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might get those. we have been talking about arizona, colorado, north carolina, maine, as prime pickup opportunities for democrats. colorado and maine are states that didn't vote for donald trump in 2016. cory gardner, susan collins, running in difficult re-election races. north carolina, you have thom tillis and some polls have been discouraging for him. how about arizona, a state trump won in 2016. martha mcsally, the appointed republican incumbent is trailing big in the average of polls right there. those are four opportunities for democrats right there. some of them starting to look pretty ripe for them. and then when you get beyond those four, this is where it gets interesting. we've looked at these to varying degrees as reaches for democrats. montana, kansas, texas, georgia. you see that little s there, there's a special election going on. there are two seats up for georgia this year. the calendar doesn't quite align. there could be an election after the november election to settle one of those seats but there could be opportunities for
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democrats there. appear and then iowa. iowa an interesting state. barack obama carried this state. it swung and swung hard for donald trump in 2016. he won this thing going away in 2016. there are some indications, though, that iowa might be moving back to the democratic side. a poll out over the weekend, the des moines register in iowa, joni ernst, the republican running for her second term trailing in the des moines register poll. the democratic nominee theresa greenfield by three points. that des moines register poll in the presidential race, their poll has trump leading by one point in iowa right now. so that's the opportunity for democra democrats. a state like iowa, plus if they can do well in the four i just showed you, that's where they start to get opportunities, in iowa and maybe some of those other states. that's what they're hoping. they're hoping for a biden win, a big biden win and coat tails and it would look like iowa. new reporting that some republicans are concerned about
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trump's chances in november due to polls like this. how concerned should republicans be when -- remember how worried they were in 2016? how does that affect this. the memory of 2016. stay with us. what makes you, you? your cells. trillions of them. that's why centrum contains 24 key nutrients to support your energy. so you can take care of what matters most. and try new centrum minis today. the sleep number it's 360 smart bed.owest prices of the season on can it help keep me asleep? absolutely, it senses your movements and
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have wounded him. that's left nervous republicans debating whether congressional candidates in tight races should link hands with him or create distance. "the washington post" also reports that trump's, quote, on a precipitous slide that has triggered deep distress within the gop about the incumbent's judgment and instincts as well as fears that voters could sweep the party out of power completely on election day. these headlines about the state of the 2020 race are a little reminiscent of the dire headlines about trump in 2016 that predicted hillary clinton -- a hillary clinton presidency was a sure bet and some aren't so quick to believe them again. politico reports that local republican officials see, quote, an electoral landscape that is no worse for trump than six months ago and possibly even slightly better. there is an overriding belief that just as trump defied political gravity four years ago, there's no reason he won't do it again. i'm joined now by robert costa, a national political report for "the washington post" and susan page, washington bureau chief
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for "usa today." thanks to both of you for being with us. robert, let me start with you. it seems that that memory of 2016 is going to kind of lurk for better or for worse, whatever side you're on, all year. in the president's inner circle in terms of who he's talking to and what he's hearing, do they look at this, do they look at 2016 and say confidently, yeah, that's going to happen again or do they look at this as something different? >> inside the president's political orbit, there is a lot of confidence because they know that republicans have often been tempted by the siren song of the never trump coalition, but they believe that so many republicans now across the country have bought into the idea that he has political capital with the political base, that they need to come out in november so they're not ready to desert him despite these polling numbers being terrible for the president and republicans in many states. the argument they're making to me privately as a reporter is they say, look, costa, the
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economy will reopen in these states. that's going to help him bounce back. he has a debate with biden on the horizon. i always say to them, though, you could have a are banking on economy to come roaring back and lift all their votes. >> suzanne, there is this question of republicans that are on the ballot for the house, how they should be regarding the president right now, whether they should be trying to create distance. i'm reminded of 2016, though. i'm remembering the "access hollywood" tape coming out weeks before the election. republicans announcing trump in public, trying to create distance. when you looked at election day, it looked like in the voters' minds they were all tied together for better or for worse. is that the same this time around, too? >> it's different now because this time president trump is the republican party. it was passable to distance yourself from donald trump four years ago if you were a
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republican candidate. that is not really possible today. for better or worse, you are tied to him. very few republican candidates actually publically, you don't see them denouncing the president or saying they're not supporting the president. really very exceptional for any republican in office to say that. you do have some of them talking about him more than others. some republicans would prefer not to have to discuss president trump's latest tweet, for instance. but for better or worse, this is donald trump's republican party, and that's going to be true in november. robert, you were describing the thinking about the around. i'm curious given the memory of 2016 that a lot of his supporters have, is there anything that could happen in the polling? is there anything that could happen news development-wise that would shake them of that confidence after going through the experience they had in 2016? >> at this point, they don't really know which direction to go in, steve.
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that's what my colleague phil ruker and i paint the picture of in our story for "the washington post," is that they are looking at the economy as their key metric here and of course the coronavirus covid-19 numbers as well. but the economy is so much part of the trump story three and a half years in. you see republican playing it up in their adds. that's why so many republicans see their own political futures on the line. to your 2016 point, i was there covering it all and many republicans in october of 2016 were ready to walk away or started to walk away. and when he won and he won states like michigan and he won states like wisconsin, they said to themselves, we're not sure how we could have done that, so we might as well just stay on this train. it has cost them with suburban voters, women voters, other voters across the country, but they feel there is no other option to build that. >> that's the trump side of things. there is also his democratic opponent.
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"the new york times" reporting that joe biden's advisers have conducted a group of interviews. some of the con detenders are w known including kamala harris and elizabeth warren of massachusetts. but the times notes that some lower profile candidates like senator tammy baldwin are advancing. elevating a pair of black women well regarded as intriguing long shot candidates. val demmings of florida. suzanne, let me start with you. we're talking at the top of this show, atlanta the developments in the city of atlanta in the last couple of days have once again put that city's mayor back in the national spotlight. it is unusual for a presidential candidate to put a mayor on a national ticket. i think george mcgovern wanted to put white on in '72 and ted kennedy said, no, i can't think
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of other one. given the significance of policing issues of race relations right now, is that a direction that joe biden might take? >> i think probably not because one of the things that joe biden has talked about is he needs someone who is going to be ready on day one to be president. and i think he actually means that. and it's hard for a mayor to get over that line. but we're at the point in the vice presidential process where it is free to say i've got you on my list. it is a way to show respect to a community, a way to show respect for an office holder who has supported you. it's a good thing for a politician to, even though i suspect the list is smaller, the real list is smaller than the list of people that he is talking to. of course he's got a little time. he said about august 1st he would announce his pick. we have seen from just the events of the last few weeks how important it is to wait as long as possible because things happen that make a candidate
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look stronger or weaker. >> all right. suzanne page and robert costa, thanks to both of you. appreciate it. >> thank you. all right. up next, the return of normal may take some time, but this weekend nascar fans and golf fans did have something to cheer about. stay with us. indistinct talking on tv ] hey. you fell asleep with your sign again. "you fell asleep with your sign again." no, i didn't. okay. switch to progressive and you can save hundreds. you know, like the sign says. thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer,
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well, the world of sports gradually began to return to something like normal this weekend. this as nascar became the first american sport to allow fans back into the seats. not many, though. social distancing still the rule, but nascar invited about 1,000 service members and their guests to watch the race at homestead miami speedway and that track normally holds about 55,000. one thing notably missing at the race, the confederate flag. last week nascar announced a ban on the flag going forward. and leading that campaign was bubba wallace. this weekend, we also saw the pg a's first golf tournament since
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the beginning of the pandemic. now, no spectators were allowed on the course. although, some were able to watch from the comfort of their backyards. like we said, slowly beginning to get back to normal. that will have to be good enough for now. for now that is it for us. thank you for being with us. don't go anywhere. all in with chris hayes is up next. tonight on "all in," another police killing, another black man dead. tonight as protesters demand justice for rayshard brooks, we're live in atlanta with the latest. then acts of every day racism from san francisco to new york. christian cooper, the bird watcher, who had the police called on him joins me. plus, why conservatives are fuming after several big supreme court decisions today. and the president's no good, very bad week, and it's only monday. all in
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