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as the cases of coronavirus still on the rise in parts of this country continue to cause concerns, here are the facts as we know them. today there are more than 2.1 million confirmed cases in the u.s. and about 118,000 americans have lost their lives. the toll on the sun belt region doesn't seem to be letting up. three states along the country's southern border get serious

about proper protection. that includes florida. the experts warn it's on tract to be the next large epicenter. facial coverings will be made mandatory in most places until texas where year. hospitalizations spiked 11% in one day this week, they can now force businesses to require face masks. as well as in arizona there are 2,500 new cases this morning. that's a new single-day high. arizona's republican governor gave local officials the power to require face masks. he wore one himself before cameras for the first time. joining me now is van hilliard. van, what's remarkable is the virus is not surprising, but local officials are finally

treating this enemy with seriousness. >> reporter: local officials, nicolle, have been calling for the governor to make this move for a month. on may 12th arizona governor made the announcement that the state's state at home order would be expiring. there was an indication that the number of cases were rising. there was widespread concern that would open the flood gates and open up community spread. what you saw is that exact thing taking place. may 12th the governor say we're clearly on the other side of this pandemic. what we have seen is that's far from being the case. today more than 2,500 new cases. you see a record number of hapt sa hospitalizations today. you continue to see that key percent positive number continue to climb. that's when you heard local officials say we want the ability to implement our own

restrictions and face mask requirements. i want to play a conversation i had yesterday that went and played into all this. it was with lena washington. she's a sports caster in sacramento. she's flying in tomorrow to lay her dad to rest on father's day. he had diabetes. he returned to work on may 15th at a local casino. he had been out of work. it was on that day in order to pay rent, pay for his insulin that lena said her father returned to work. he called her the next day concerned about what he saw. take a listen to lena and our conversation yesterday. >> it's the carelessness of other people who he would help in a heart beat. it breaks my heart. i can't accept that he's gone still. i'm using this pain and i'm using this moment to call -- put

a call to action. arizona needs to take this seriously. he's not going to be the last and people who know me, you might be next. i never thought it would be me. people i went to high school with, you could be the next person to experience this pain. it's because people like you and other people in arizona and leadership aren't taking this seriously and it's careless and it's -- it took my dad's life. >> reporter: nicolle and brian, it was hours after that enter rue the governor announced his executive order that phoenix would be able to implement their own mask requirements. that very casino where robert washington worked, they announced today they're closing. they're going to be reassessing the safety precautions. other businesses i talked to, the aiello deli shut down to

keep their neighborhood protected. he said he's ending in-dining services. i think there's a realization that the time to act is now as the numbers continue to soar. brian and nicolle? >> van, thank you for that recording. i saw lena's story yesterday on social media. we mourn for the loss of her father. nicolle, by the end of this week we'll have lost 120,000 souls. you've seen the university of washington projection about where we're supposed to be by october 1st. during any other time this would be such a staggering obsession and pre-occupation on the part of the president of the united states and all the souls around him or her. of course, this week we have this big juicy distraction of

the john bolton book which compounds the damage by calling in the criticism on such fundamental parts of being a president and leading a nation. it will be interesting to see which stories break through, which stories stick in the american consciousness in the 138 days until the election. >> that's so interesting, brian. i think they're one story. i think that the anger at john bolton for not telling his story -- i've not read all of it. what i read is the most devastating indictment yet. you sense that jim mattis might have the same view of donald trump as john bolton does. it makes you wonder why don't these grown men say something when they see something the way all of us learned after 9/11. the stories are not

disconnected. had people who spoken out, people who spoke out in the wake of the militarization, if they spoke out at the time that donald trump was impeached and on trial, we might have a different leader at a time a pandemic is racking our country. the stories can never separated one from another. you're right, we'll know a lot more about what parts of it have moved and motivated the american public in november. unbelievable times. thank you for spending time with us. >> thank you for having me. when we return, john bolton sa says donald trump was easily played by foreign leaders and that the scope of his impeachment was too narrow. we'll get reaction on that from senator angus king next.

in nearly 600 pages of his very own words former national security adviser john bolton describes president trump as incompetent and not fit for public office. bolton alleges the president has little understanding of america's role on the world stage and the threats posed by russia. >> i think putin thinks he can play him like a fiddle. i think putin is smart, tough. i think he sees that he's not

faced with a serious adversary here. i don't think he's worried about donald trump. when you're dealing with his life understanding russia's strategic position in the world against donald trump who doesn't enjoy reading about these issues or learning about them, it's a very difficult position for america to be in. >> according to bolton troubling relationships between the president and world leaders hardly stops there. the book alleges that president trump turned to chinese president xi for help in his relationship bid. joining us is senator angus king from maine. senator, i remember talking to you during some of the most anxious moments of the impeachment trial when there was a real sense that by john bolton kind of changing his offer to

the impeachment process and saying, if subpoenaed i'll testify, there were some -- i won't even call them days. there were sets of hours where there was real hope that enough republicans -- i think we needed four, right? four senate republicans to saying they were interested in what john bolton saw and heard about ukraine and might vote to listen to him. at the end there were only one or two. i remember talking to you during that. the stakes couldn't have been higher. what do you think seeing the fuller picture of what john bolton knew? >> i remember -- i think i was talking to you, nicolle, when i said i think i was going to get the votes. i couldn't believe my colleagues were going to go home and say why they didn't want to hear from somebody who knew facts relevant to the trial. i've never heard of a trial without witnesses. well, i have now. it's astounding.

there's plenty of criticism to go around. i'm still astounded, disappointed, shocked, whatever you want to say, that my colleagues didn't want the witnesses. of course there was a question of, you know, what if bolton said what he's just apparently said and they would have acquitted him anyway? there's that argument. killing somebody on fifth avenue argument. the other piece is bolton could have had a press conference. bolton could have given the interview he gave last night during that period and it would have made it even harder to have voted against those witnesses. i'm disappointed in the folks that said we don't care and i'm also disappointed in john bolton because obviously he had relevant evidence and i think he should have come forward whether he was subpoenaed or whatever. he didn't have to -- he could have easily had a press conference, an interview and

made the points that were clearly relevant to the subject we were discussing in the impeachment trial. >> you have friends on both sides of the aisle. what is going on with the republicans? casey hunt -- they're advised to avoid casey hunt who is there asking them tough but fair questions about what they think of secretary mattis comparing donald trump's leadership style as those of the nazis. about general milley being seen in fatigues among peaceful protesters. do they reveal any shame to you in private? >> i wouldn't say that. i think there's a bit of eye rolling. you know, this man owns their party. he owns their political base. he can with a gesture or a tweet end their careers. you know, ask jeff flake or bob

corker or several others over the last couple years. he has no hesitation in doing so. he just lashed out at lisa murkowski because she said she thought mattis was telling the truth. they're in a difficult position. i don't want to be an enabler, but they're staring at the abyss and deciding that staying on his good side is more important than calling out what is pretty apparent to the rest of us. this is not the behavior for a president of the united states. what we've heard from bolton -- i presume you haven't read the book. i haven't. it's not out until next week. the fundamental charge in the impeachment trial was aye bobus power, using the office of the president of the united states to further your own personal or

political interest. that's exactly what bolton is confirming apparently in the quotes we've seen like asking the president of china to buy more soy beans to help him carry iowa. but i just wonder if the president distinguishes. he talks about the call with ukraine was perfect. i'm not sure he distinguishes between his own interests and the interests of the country. >> let me ask you this, would you like to understand from bill barr what was done when john bolton picked up the phone as the country's national security adviser and called the country's attorney general and said, you know, i think there's something corrupt going on in the president's dealing with turkish and chinese companies? does congress have the right to know whether anything happened? those are criminal referrals from the national security advise. >> congress represents the

american people. congress does have a right to know because the american people have a right to know. one of the characteristics of this administration has been stone walling everything. they completely stone walled the impeachment process. they stone walled the accountability for the billions of dollars being spent in the covid relief program. they stone wall in large ways and small. yes, absolutely, i would like to know what attorney general barr's response was to those n phone calls. i don't know if we ever will because this administration basically doesn't want the american people to know what's going on. i think, nicolle, a friend of mine called me a couple years ago and asked a simple question. he said did donald trump have a board of directors with his company in new york? i said i don't think so because it was a family owned company. my friend said that explains it.

he never had anybody say no. he's never been answerable to anybody. if a judge rules against him, he attacks the judge. if congress does something he doesn't like, he attacks the congress. if the media says something he doesn't like, he attacks the media. there's no sense of a responsibility to anybody else. he once said famously i can do anything i want as president. that's not true. james madison flipped in his grave when that statement was made because the whole idea of the constitution is the division power. nobody in our government can do whatever they want. it's all about checks and balances. it's annoying. it's inefficient, but that's the essence of our system. the framers understood if anybody had all the power, it would be damaging to the country. the old saying is power corrupts

and absolute power corrupts absolutely. the other thing i worry about about my republican colleagues is that they're enabling this usurping of power and that's dangerous for the company. >> it's so amazing. we have these conversations and you realize how much is on the line in november. we'll keep having this one. senator angus king, thank you for spending time with us. quick break for us and we'll be right back. you wouldn't do only half

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plus get $200 off a new samsung galaxy s20 ultra. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. donald trump obstructed justice as a way of life, was so corrupt in his dealings with turkey and china that the attorney general was consulted. he cheered the construction of

concentration camps in china and was impeached in his execution of his duties as commander in chief. you would be mistaken if you attributed those charges to a democrat. they're coming from john bolton, donald trump's former national security adviser who is locked in a war of roses like feud with the president over the publication of his new book, "the room where it happened." the book sounds more often than not similar to james comey's meeting with donald trump. this morning in an interview bolton summarized the conduct he witnessed with this assessment of trump's competence. >> i don't think he's fit for office. i don't think he has the competence to carry out the job.

there was no guiding principle other than what's good for donald trump's re-election. >> trump is flailing at this hour in his response to bolton claiming the book's revelations are false, made up and also classified which defies logic as one couldn't classify fictional accounts of anything. here's trump's attempt to make that case. >> he broke the law. it's very simple. as much as it's going to be broken -- this is highly classified. that's the highest stage. it's highly classified information and he did not have approval. >> that's not even the right word to -- whatever. trump tried to claim that any conversation with the president or him should be considered classified. even made up conversations that never happened. adam schiff who sought bolton's testimony in the impeachment

investigation and whose case would have benefited dramatically from firsthand accounts from bolton said despite the fact that it's coming out in book form bolton's accusations justify attention and scrutiny. >> we have to take the book seriously because the allegations are so consistent with other evidence. so, yes, i think we need to because the portrait it paints of the president is one that we know to be all too true. somebody who puts his personal interests above the national interests. that's a continuing danger to the country until the election. we have to take it seriously. you could question and should question john bolton's patriotism in withholding this information during an impeachment proceeding. that doesn't detract from the seriousness of what he alleges. >> trump's november opponent joe biden weighed in saying in a statement, quote, if these

accounts are true, it's not only morally repugnant, it's a violation of donald trump's sacred duty to the american people. bolton has been known to and by the gop establishment. whether they agree with him or not, they would be hard pressed to point to a single instance he's lied or included state secrets in his numerous books. get ready for a clash about the ugly truth of donald trump and the uglier defenses of his actions. from the "washington post" white house reporter ashley parker, michael steel and former fbi officials chuck rosen berg. chuck, your podcast is called "the oath." we all see a new president sworn in raising their hand usually on a bible that means something to

that president. everyone that goes to work in the white house takes an oath too. you swear that you could never be any sort of threat for blackmail that could endanger state secrets. did john bolton up hold his oath to the country by saving these serious allegations for a book? >> you promise to serve and protect the constitution, not a person. that's the power of the oath. it's not to an individual. it's to the constitution of the united states. i don't think it was a bright shining moment for bolton to withhold this information during the impeachment inquiry and to unleash it in a book. it may be true. it may be false. it sounds like exactly something donald trump would do, but it would have been nice to have heard it when it really mattered. >> as adam schiff said, this is

new, firsthand -- a witness with firsthand knowledge of conduct so corrupt that he picked up the phone and called dealings with turkey and china. are you curious to know what william barr did after he hung up? >> very much so. i think bolton is a witness to additional obstruction of justice by the president of the united states. volume two of the mueller report is about donald trump's obstruction of justice. it sounds like we have more of it and john bolton knows about it. we talked, nicolle, that you can't charge a sitting president, but you can charge a former president. what bill barr did is a completely different question. bolton only knows what he told barr. he doesn't know what barr did or said, all really important questions and we need to ask them. john bolton has direct evidence

of what donald trump said and did and he has indirect evidence of what bill barr said and did. >> michael steel, let's talk about the human being that john bolton describes. he describes a president who encouraged chinese president xi to build concentration camps. he said it was a good idea. he asked if finland was part of russia. i've read some of the ukraine section. it is -- i think bolton says this. trump's conduct is worse than the conduct for which he was impeached and acquitted. i'm still capable of being shocked and disgusted by descriptions of donald trump. what's amazing to me is john bolton saw this version of donald trump that he writes about in 592 pages on day one. they said bad things about

donald trump behind his back on day one. there's a little community of fellow abused staffers at the highest levels of the white house staff. that's what comes through on the pages of john bolton's book. >> yeah. it is stockholm syndrome like where people -- maybe they come in enamored of being in the west wing and caught up in the moment of the presidency, the president. then the hard ugly truth comes crashing down and you feel trapped and maybe you can't get out. bolton had an escape hatch. it was called impeachment. he could have, i think in that moment, served his country in a manner unlike any who have come before him and shared and verified, nicolle, a lot of what was suspicion, a lot of secret washington talk which we now see was true. a lot of the information that

was coming out from others who have been served and written books to individuals like anonymous who still will likely have more information to drop over the course of the summer, he could have put all that in firm context for us. he could have been a clarifying voice for the american people, which is why i'm not all jacked up about the book and rushing out to buy a copy of it. i enjoyed the time i worked with john bolton. i've enjoyed our conversations in the past. i thought this was a missed moment for him. i'm not willing to pay $29.95 to relive that moment and to learn more about it. let those officials who in a post trump period want to use that as evidence for some other actions later on have at it. i think that moment was lost in january during the impeachment time where he could have without

being forced under subpoena to come forward and share with the country this is what i know and this is the man you need to know about. >> i mean, ashley parker, it's a very fair and michael steel is putting it more diplomatically. it's a very fair point. if he's so bad that he is not fit, if you work in the white house, fitness is the basic standard to retain the presidency. bolton said he's not fit for the office he holds. bob corker was until now the closest person to donald trump to say it on air. he was at home in tennessee and he said to this moment i've not seen donald trump display the fitness for the office that he holds. john bolton becomes the second person to call him unfit. rod rosenstein was reported on

multiple occasions to wear a wire. the people closest to donald trump and others have concluded he represents a threat to the country he leads. >> yeah. if you believe john bolton's account, and many people say it's credible, there's no heros in the account. you have a president who in many ways is behaving incredibly poorly and then you have someone like john bolton who waits to come forward until he has a very lucrative book deal. john bolton goes through and explains his somewhat convoluted logic as to why he wouldn't testify before the house and he would have testified before the senate if he was called. of course he wasn't called. i think what administration officials find is, a, it requires a lot of courage to come forward.

that's in short supply. then there's a more charitable explanation which is you get in there thinking it's not as bad as people say and then you realize it is and you feel as if, but if i were to leave, it would be worse. sort of a god complexi. you think this is bad, but you should have seen the executive order we took off his desk. i believe in john bolton -- the scene that stayed with me is general kelly saying look at how he makes decisions. imagine if president trump made decision in a true crisis, like the aftermath of 9/11. what we're seeing is the president with one true crisis, the coronavirus, and then racial unrest across the nation. you see how he's making

decisions. for many people it's leaving much to be desired. >> here's the poll that ashley parker described. the quote from the book is what if we have a real crisis like 9/11 with the way he makes decisions. john bolton recounts that's something john kelly said to him. john kelly recently co-signed a stinging rebuke of donald trump from former secretary of defense jim mattis in way he compares donald trump's leadership to that of the nazis, his penchant for dividing people and describes the history of the american military of doing the opposite. ashley, i'll ask this question, what makes grown men like jim mattis and john bolton stay quiet while they're seeing something so egregious? >> you have to take each person individually. some, as i said, is that courage

in this white house is not in tremendous supply. take someone like gary cohen who claimed publicly to be outraged over the president's handling of charlottesville. is that what prompted him to resign? no. it was a disagreement over trade and the economic policy. that's some people. there are other people who will say i stayed there because i thought i could make it better, i thought i could help and finally the moment came where i realized i couldn't. it's striking how many people go into that administration and end up getting tarnished. the president as he's tarnishing claims they were horrible, dopey d dupes. he hired them nonetheless and let them stay there for quite sometime. >> chuck, there's a legal proceeding under way. donald trump's the attorney gen

is suing to stop publication of the book. will that be successful? >> this book hands distributed all over the country and all over the world. many journalists have already read it. no, they're not going to succeed. what they're seeking to do is two things. ask a court to find that bolton violated his contract by disclosing confidential information, classified information, top-secret information and try to take any profits that bolton would get from the book. also to try to restrain the publisher from distributing it further. this is something the supreme court has dealt with in cases dating back to the '70s. it's deeply disfavored under constitutional law. we have the first amendment. prior restraint almost never succeeds. i can't imagine it succeeding

here. there's a more interesting question about whether bolton followed all the rules to publish his book. that will need to be contested in court. i don't know how that will turn out. we need more facts. he started the process appropriately. he sought what we call pre publication review and he got the sign off on the publication of his book from a senior national security official. it seemed he tried. will they restrain the book from being published? nope. will there be a contest over whether or not bolton gets to get the profits? yes, but i think he'll prevail. >> michael steel, i want to come back to you on something we've been talking about since this portrait went from being dots and leaks to the full 592 pages painting a portrait of what john bolton said in that interview, a man who is fundamentally unfit for the office he holds.

what responsibility do other people who know that on the very specific area of carrying out duties as our countries commander in chief and in the conduct of national security, what role do people like h.r. mcmasterser or dana powell or rob portman, other people who would know that too, what role do they have to speak out now that it's all there? i think this changes the body of what we know about donald trump's conduct with turkey, donald trump's conduct with china. this discuss change the specifics. it does, to me, frankly make me hope what stewart stevens and other republicans working to erase republican majorities in the senate, it seems trump has seemed to corrupt every

republican. >> the corruption piece goes to how we have as party leaders and officials responded to the very egregious behavior that the public has denoted as egregious and we turn a blind eye to most recently the walk to lafayette park and the walk of shame by republican members of the senate going to lunch refusing to acknowledge that it occurred and the public is laughing their behind off going, yeah, right, move along. we'll deal with you in november. then there are those who served in the administration and those who are currently serving. you raise an interesting question as to whether or not the bolton revelations are such a confirming and affirming point that for those individuals who have left, they now feel the

opportunity to come back and say something and reinforce that. >> right. >> those who are inside, what they do, that remains to be seen. >> michael steel, ashley parker, chuck rosen berg, thank you for starting us off on an extraordinary day of news. an american statesman joins us. robert gates served as secretary of defense for presidents obama and bush is out with a new book on the role of the military at a moment in time where that is very much in the news. also, ahead another legal blow for donald trump in the u.s. supreme court. he didn't like it very much. and does drop have an electoral death wish. reporting in the "new york times" suggests he just might. all those stories coming up. [♪]

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>> announcer: you're watching msnbc. in a new book out just this week called "exercise of power" robert gates calls on the nation to utilize its vast tool kit and retain its strong hold on the world stage. he writes to deal with the diverse challenges america faces america must lead, but to lead, to achieve its goals, it must strengthen all the instruments of power and apply them with greater wisdom. we must use the american symphony of power to ensure authorityism doesn't emerge in the 21 century. john bolton's book further supports what we've been witnessing. for his part, donald trump does not have a handle on the

country's power at all. he's cow towed to and a pieced authoritarians and those leaders are taking advantage of him in real time. listen to what bolton says. >> i think putin thinks he can play him like a fiddle. i think putin is smart, tough. i think he sees he's not faced with a serious adversary here. i don't think he's worried about donald trump. when you're dealing with somebody like putin who has made his life understanding russia's strategic position in the world, against donald trump who doesn't envoy reading about these issues or learning about them, it's a very difficult position for america to be in. >> joining us now former secretary of defense robert gates author of "exercise of power, american failures, successes." mr. secretary, thank you for joining us. i know that when you wrote this book, the events of the last

four to eight weeks were not on your mind. they seem to match what you write about. talk about what you've written and what you put pen to pad on in the context of the moment we're witnessing. >> i think that the key is that our position in the world is weaker today than it has been in many years. i see a period of increasing challenges for the united states ever since the end of the cold war. i argue that one reason for that is overmill saigs of our military instead of using what was successful in the cold war against the soviet union. those instruments have been able

to wither and at the same time those institutions have been greatly strengthened by the chinese. so we're actually at a disadvantage because against the military back drop, they have developed these instruments of national power, nonmilitary instruments in a way we have not. unless we can fix that, i think we're at a disadvantage in this contest ahead of us. >> it takes extraordinary confidence to reflect on the things you write about. you and i both served in the george w. bush administration. you write about the short comings of the strategy anyone should read everything you write in the book. i want to ask you who you think does the work that you lay out? the commander in chief has been called unfit by the last person who served as his national security adviser.

secretary mattis who kept his powder drive finally came out and compared donald trump's tactics and penchant for dividing americans to those used by the nazis. the current chairman of the joint chiefs had to distance himself from taking a walk across lafayette squire wheare used. three former chiefs have -- against the uprising of racial injustice. who does the work you detail in your book? >> at the end of the day any reform, any positive change has to be led by the president. he also has to have the support of congress. some of the institutions that i describe that have been dismantled w in 1998.

the united states information agency, the u.s. agency for international development was subordinated to the state department. these agencies have weakened over the years. the only way you fix it is with the leadership of the president and it requires a president who understands those incidents of power and will empower his secretary of state and secretary of defense to work with the congress to fix these problems. >> is it your hope or your intention that this becomes part of the sort of fabric of the conversation ahead of the november election, understanding that nothing short of america's role in the world is on the ballot in november? >> i happen to believe that that's true. i think we are in a weakened position today and one of the

things that has troubled me is the failure of the administration, of the president, to understand the real value for us and the unique value for us of allies and friends in the world. i some while ago told one of the senior members of the administration at what point do you realize it's not a great idea to antagonize everybody in the world at the same time? so i think if we're going to recapture our leading position it's only going to be through working with our allies. no one has pressured our allies on defense spending more than i have. i did it the five years i was secretary of defense. i admit i wasn't very successful. we do have to keep the pressure on them so that they do come up with their fair share in protecting their own security.

even if we're not successful, driving them away is a terrible mistake because just think in terms of the chinese structural economic reforms we think are necessary how much more powerful our position at the table would be if on our side of the table in addition to us we had the europeans, the japanese, the australians, the indians in a single voice telling the chinese these are the changes you have to make, otherwise there will be serious economic penalties. we need to try and keep the pressure on our allies to do more. we also need to understand that they are a unique asset for us in our leadership role in the world. >> talking about our relationship with our allies at a time when donald trump -- i'm thinking about the way he evaluated the looks of the first

lady of france. i'm thinking about the disparaging things he's had to say able angela merkel. i'm thinking about the love letters he brags about writing to kim jong-un. to make it tangible donald trump can't be president, he can't muster america's allies to answer chinese aggressions. >> my argument is that we have to deal with these authoritarian leaders, but we don't have to say we love them. we always -- i'm against using our military to bring change to other countries, to bring democracy to other countries. we have to be a voice for freedom, a voice for human rights. everybody needs to know where we stand. despite our own internal problems, the one thing most people know is that at least we're trying to improve ourselves. we're trying to fix our problems.

there's no questions these other countries aren't making that effort. in fact, they're headed in the other direction. you have to deal with these guys. you don't have to say you love them. >> on the day that the military, including general milley was seen clearing peaceful protesters on the streets outside the white house, do you think the world thought we were trying to deal with our problems? >> i think that -- i think -- well, what we have seen is that the chinese and the russians and others are pointing to this and saying now you and the u.s. have no right to criticize us for what we may or may not do in hong kong or what we do in ukraine or what we do with dissenters in moscow because you're not better than we are. we've handed our adversaries a propaganda wind fall in certain respects. i think that -- you know, i've

made the point before -- i was opposed to the use of the insurrection act because people need to understand the regular military forces, the regular army is trained to do one thing. that's kill our enemies. the national guard is trained not only to do -- to take care of natural disasters and to try to help out with things like pandem pandemic, they're also trained in crowd control. they have good relationships with local law enforcement because the national guard is from those places. i didn't see anything on lafayette square that seemed to me could not be handled by the regular law enforcement that was present and the national guard. >> robert gates, the book

"exercise of power" which is on my night stand, thank you for spending time with us to talk about the book and news of the day. grateful for your time, sir. >> thank you very much. after the break, for donald trump so much losing. the president's no good, very bad week at the supreme court just got worse. the landmark decision he's fuming about next. - [narrator] did you just reward yourself

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daca for me personally means being able to have a job, being able to financially provide for my family, this has been on my mind since september 2017 when trump rescinded daca. to the trump administration, we will continue fighting as long as you try to oppress us. we will continue to stand up, voic silent.

the supreme court today ruled in favor of president obama's signature achievement at the expense of donald trump's. chief justice john roberts was the swing vote in a decision that said the trump administration cannot carry out its plan to shut down daca, the deferred action for childhood arrivals in this country. it's allowed nearly 800,000 young people referred to as dreamers to avoid deportation and remain in the u.s. donald trump wasted no time responding to the decision. his first tweet was political, the second personal. he wrote these horrible politically charged decisions out of the supreme court are shotgun blasts into the face of people proud to call themselves republicans or conservatives. we need more justices or we'll lose or second amendment and everything else. disgusting. the second one, did you get the impression the supreme court

doesn't like me? joining our conversation mia wiley. this is donald trump invoking the language of vigilante -- i don't know what. what an abhorrent thing for any leader to tweet about the united states security. >> this is the divider in chief who spends most of his time defending himself at the expense of unity in this country. just remember, liberate, liberate, liberate when we were talking about protecting the public health from coronavirus been evnciting violence. there's nothing new here. what's so important about what

we're seeing today is this is another example of the supreme court doing what it's supposed to do, making a neutral decision. all the court said was he didn't really comply with the law by stating a rationale that gives you a reason to pull this back. doesn't mean he can't go back and try harder to do it again. one of the reasons he was unable to do it was his interim homeland security -- elaine clark i think was her name -- didn't see it as a good idea. he gave the rationale for trying to tear daca apart, the one that jeff sessions created which was a weak argument and didn't have support behind it. he's in this situation because he didn't have a good reason to begin with and the justices found he didn't have a good reason. >> you know, nick, the supreme

court decisions come up in a moment when they're not always in the news around the clock as in this case they should be. what donald trump did and when he did it was never disguised as anything other than politically motivated. we know that because he and jared kushner wrestled with the politics of dreamers. large numbers of americans support dreamers being allowed to stay here because through no fault of their own a lot were brought here as very young children. it's another example of the cruelty of donald trump's politics, that he's playing this pinata game with a population that hasn't had any certainty or stability in terms of policy in this country because of donald trump. >> nicolle, it's important to point out if you see the poling, the vast majority of the folks look at who we call dreamers and see fellow americans.

the politics are quite simple. the court handed president trump a gift. they took off the table a policy of the president's that was deeply unpopular and that only existed as a bargaining chip in a deal that will never happen on immigration. as you say, it was off the frontlines for a while -- off the front pages and we're now hearing about it in good time. it was never a popular policy of the president. he said he saw this as a bargaining chip. as mia was saying, the further irony is he wasn't being told he can't do this. he was being told you have to check boxes one through four if you want to rescind daca. get it together if you wantat's. >> nick, your description of this is spot on and brilliant. the court gave him a gift. he now is off the hook for doing something so unpopular even

among parts of his own base. as punishment/reward we're not letting you go. after the break we spent so much time wondering whether or not donald trump is going to win again in november. some brand new reporting in the "new york times" questions whether even he wants to. we miss you. it's totally not the same without you. we miss your let's do this look and can't wait to get you back, so we've added temp checks, face coverings, social distancing and extra sanitizing to get the good times going again. we're finally back... and can't wait until you are too.

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exercise. if donald trump wanted to sabotage his own chances at re-election, how would he act any differently? what would he do he hasn't already done in public? asking. their reporting indicates his advisers wonder if he's interested in serving a second term. he's acting defensive and wallowing in self-pity. nick and mia are still here. i guess i don't care what he wants. what's interesting is they can't move him into any mode where he does anything else at all. >> donald trump has never been a leader. he's been a media star. he's been someone who has created a cult of personality quite effectively, but he never really demonstrated any

leadership that would suggest he would have been able to handle this job in the first place. i don't think we should be surprised he's crumbling in the face of what is difficult about it which is trying to make sound decisions in the best interests of the country under tough conditions. he just doesn't have it in him. he's essentially concerned with his own well-being. that's a very, very hard thing to do when you've got a country that is facing multiple pandemics from a major public health emergency that's inconvenient to you and your rallies and systemic racism that we've had to deal with generations in this country. where t the receipts are coming to be paid and he doesn't have any cash in theng from your colle e colleagues. talk about it and talk about

what's been revealed by what mia described, these twin crises that have nothing to do with donald trump, but they were both opportunities to do something other than make it about himself. >> it's really simple, nicolle. you can't be the candidate of racial healing and rainbow coalitions and be the candidate of white backlash at the same time. you just can't. every candidate picks a lane. he picked his a long time ago, four years ago which i think is an important timing to understand. he won election being himself in 2016. i think he has spent the last three years not being able to understand why being himself isn't working well in office. that's the basic contradiction. it's not working for him anymore. it was kind of a moon shot in 2016. he got very, very, very lucky when he was elected. he thinks he can play the same playbook. it's obviously not working and

it's making him pretty miserable. >> one of his favorite tools, nick is facebook. facebook took down a trump ad. do you think some of his >> i think this is a little bandaid. facebook slapped him with a violation for using a symbol as associated with the nazis in some context, not sure if the campaign knew what they were doing with that symbol. it is amazing they couldn't find an ad, of all ads facebook let them run, they had to pick an ad with a nazi symbol in it. they have plenty of other ads they can use. facebook is optimized for donald trump, has been for years. it is his best tool for winning re-election i think is facebook. >> so terrifying. i usually ask this question about donald trump, how bad is he. i'll ask it to you about

facebook. how bad are they that it counts as news, removing a trump ad with a nazi symbol in it is even a headline? >> that says it all in a nutshell. it's been a real problem. they refuse to say they're going to pull down political ads with patently falsisms in them, being a platform that will allow misinformation in a country struggling to protect our democracy from manipulation, whether from inside the country or out. conspiracy theorist or foreign government, and donald trump benefitted from lies and misinformation. facebook as long as it is willing to allow lies, misinformation, hate and more thinly veiled hate mongering than the ad depicts, then we know the answer about facebook, and it is about time for it to make an about face. >> you both managed to get me

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welcome to thursday. it is meet the press daily. i am chuck todd on another busy news day, this one thanks to the supreme court. the president is lashing out after the supreme court blocked his effort to shut down daca. the officer charged with felony murder in the brooks case has been booked in fulton county jail. and coronavirus cases are climbing in a number of states. we'll dive into the headlines in a moment. we begin with more developments in the john bolton saga.