sitting president, let alone this one as incompetent or worse as he runs for re-election. joining me, my colleague. and one f the first reporters to write about the contents of mr. bolton's book. if you can update us, there's an idea he wants the justice department possibly to look at welcome to thursday. it is meet the press daily. seeking some criminal charge. we know there's a hearing i am chuck todd on another busy news day, this one thanks to the tomorrow what other ideas does supreme court. the president is lashing out the white house have to stop the after the supreme court blocked his effort to shut down daca. book from going fully public. i got my copy here, it is not the officer charged with felony exactly not public, at least murder in the brooks case has preventing sale. >> what are they going to been booked in fulton county accomplish? the biggest thing they could jail. and coronavirus cases are accomplish at this point is climbing in a number of states. we'll dive into the headlines in preventing john bolton from a moment. we begin with more developments getting royalties, hurting in the john bolton saga. publisher profits from this, the information is out there atmosphe already. and there's the question i heard

the justice department is considering criminal charges about how much more do they want over release of his tell all to be talking about this bolton book by continuing to have a book. we showed you yesterday, it court fight over it, how much do panlts a portrait of an they want it to go away. right now, the administration is incompetent, unethical, law breaking chief executive. on defense at a time when an in bolton didn't hold back on the couple bent president needs to president's fitness for office. be on offense, talk about his record, attack his component, >> you described the president create a caricature of his as erratic, foolish, behafrd opponent, not defending himself from former officials who never irrationally, bizarrely, can't speak out apresident. leave him alone a minute, saw when do you ever have a sitting conspiracies behind rocks and president running for was stunningly uninformed. re-election, have former people couldn't tell the difference from their own administration between his personal interests talking out, attacking them. and the country's interests. you know, that's where they're >> i don't think he is fit for at now, which i know is not a good place to be. office. do they just move past it or i don't think he has kcompetenc to carry out the job. there isn't any guiding continue to prod the fight and keep this story and book in the principle i was able to discern other than what's good for donald trump's re-election. headlines. >> and a policy basis, shannon, >> the president responded by the accusations about china and calling bolton a liar. claims everybody thought he was what the president wanted with crazy, called the book pure china, i have to ask you about a

fiction, lies, and made up tweet he sent earlier today. stories. he is speaking out publicly. we have now seen the normer i'm curious, it certainly feels like it may be tangentially national security adviser, former chief of staff, former secretary of defense and former connected if the president tries to get tough on china after all secretary of state go public the headlines indicate how he was almost begging china to help with warnings about the him for the re-election. president's competence. it was an odd tweet that he sent two weeks ago here is what jim about an hour ago about his mattis said. donald trump is the first trade ambassador. tell us, do you have some basis president in my lifetime doesn't ignite the american people, any more behind it other than what he tweeted? doesn't pretend to try. >> the trade adviser said in a instead, tries to divide us. we are witnessing the consequences of three years of hearing that we're not at the point, the policy point you can this deliberate effort, three years without mature leadership. decouple the u.s. economy from must reject and hold accountable china, the economies are so those in office that would make inter linked, you can't break a mockery of the constitution. them apart. the president's former chief of seeing that takes away leverage staff john kelly then said he we have over china, meaning the agreed with mattis and added u.s. can't just walk away from china, say we're done, not trading with you because our this. >> he is quite a man, general economies are tied. key to the president's mattis, for him to do that tells you where he is relative to the re-election message when i talked to campaign advisers and concern he has for our country. >> do you agree with him, john? aides is tough on china rhetoric >> i agree with him.

i think we need to look harder which plays well with the working class base that the at who we elect. president needs to shore up, i think we should start, all of that's been slipping. us, regardless of what our views they want this tough on china are in politics. i think we should look at people talk, want to portray biden as that are running for office, put weak on china, and headlines out them through the filter. of the bolton book of him what is their character like. essentially begging xi to buy what is their -- what are their agricultural products to help with the election is not tough ethics. on china. this could be seen as a way to >> don't forget, president's counter that and give himself former secretary of state rex tillerson was among the first to more leverage with china when it comes to threatening to walk publicly speak out on this away from the trade partnership that the u.s. has with china. >> peter baker, john bolton is topic. >> he doesn't like to read, doesn't read briefing reports, right now a an island. doesn't like to get into the details of a lot of things, but rather says look, this is what i we called it comey island, seems believe, and you can try to to find a way everybody is angry convince me otherwise but most of the time you're not going to with john bolton, there's a lot do that. when the president says here is what i want to do, here is how i of deep seeded anger at jim want to do it, and i have to say to him, mr. president, i comey for different reenasons a understand what you want to do, well. does that cut into bolton's but you can't do it that way.

credibility with the public? >> well, that's a good question, it violates the law, violates chuck. you're right about that obviously on the anti-trump left, they're mad at him for not treaty. >> these aren't just high level advisers, these are as big as it coming forward during the impeachment hearing and testify on the trump right. see him as a betrayer. gets. defense, state, national security, chief of staff, those re the big four. bolton is interesting, he is a lifelong conservative hard liner, hard to characterize as somehow a drifting liberal to the left kind of guy. president trump tried to dismiss jim mattis after he left as well as a liberal democrat. nobody thinks john bolton is a liberal democrat, he made that clear. part of the reason the critique is seering is esshe is exposing president trump as a fake conservative, too willing to play foot see with dictators in china, turkey, russia, and north korea. and real conservative bolton is arguing wouldn't be doing these things. he is coming at him from the

right in a way a lot of critics leaving the administration in the past come at him for more an establishment point of view. whether it impacts the public, i don't know. at this point, people are locked into views of president trump, he will reinforce views of those that don't like him, those that do like him probably share the president's opinion as another peter, i'm not a big fan of getting into psyche, putting someone on the couch, but this president personalizes everything. right now in his mind, he is under siege, right? he said the supreme court doesn't like me. john bolton is out to get me, deep state is out to get me. he has taken the headlines, put them through his own prism, sort of owning this. at moments like this, is he a boiling pot here? is saturday night in tulsa going to be eventful? >> short answer, yes.

tulsa, be there, watch on tv, it will be fascinating, see what he does with it. the thing that's interesting, he personalized the presidency, goes to the core of what bolton is arguing. he is saying that he has subordinated the interests of the president see and the nation to his own personal political interests, that he doesn't see a difference between the two, doesn't observe lines other presidents did in the past. all presidents were interested in the political advantages, even as they did policy, i think that's an interesting theme that comes out of this. we'll see how it plays on saturday night. >> it is. there's a lot of pressure, i think the book that he is author thos last name is trump. shannon and peter, thank you both for getting us started.

jason crow was one of the impeachment managers. time has stood still. congressman, probably feels like a century ago you were in the well of the senate. initial reaction to the bolton allegations and book. >> hi, chuck. seems like a long time ago since january. this should come as a surprise to nobody. john bolton's recent revelations are what his staff said happened when they had the courage to come forward. let's remember that john bolton's subordinates, staff members had the courage to do what he didn't have courage to do. they came forward at great personal and professional cost and are still bearing the cost of that to have the courage to

testify. john bolton has corroborated what fiona hill and others said last and practice. any one of these incidents alone are damning, but together they paint a portrait of a man whose corruption and self centeredness knows no limitations and will do anything to serve his own interest. >> you didn't use every tool to get him to testify. he threatened to sue. i know the explanation at the time was this will delay things unnecessarily. should you have fought harder? >> we fought very hard and that was the explanation at the time, happens to be the explanation now because it is true. we would still be in court sitting here today, fighting over subpoenas to john bolton and others. we made the decision it was important. we got information out to the american public and did so in the face of unprecedented

stonewalling and obstruction. never in the course of the country's history has there been an administration that said you get nothing. no papers, no documents, no testimony, but we were able to get because people had courage to stand up and tell their story, a story corroborated time and time again, but we needed to get the information out, we're going to continue to fight to get information out. >> did he reveal anything that you didn't get to reveal? i mean, in you're making an argument you had everything you needed. bolton would have been just a bigger brand name saying it. >> yeah, the allegations and articles of impeachment were absolutely impeachable. we did impeach the president. he will forever be impeached. just when i see it all with this president, any one of these incidents are damning and constitute impeachable conduct in many instances, you know, this allegation about china, let's stop and let this sink in.

if true, the president of the united states encouraged china, one of our adversaries to put a million muslim weavers in a concentration camp, encouraged that in exchange for china purchasing agricultural products from swing states. that's shocking but consistent with the picture of a man whose moral compass is completely broken, only focused on himself and his re-election. that's what makes him dangerous. >> what are democrats going to do about it? >> we're going to continue to push for the truth. one of the most important things we can do is push for hearings, if we need to, to make sure we get information out there, that people with a story to tell have the ability to tell that story, we can get it out in front of the american public. ultimately, the american people have to decide in four and a half months whether they've had enough. i had enough. people that i know have had enough. it is time for us to close this

chapter on the corrupt president, move forward as a country, and bring ourselves together. >> are you risking, though, bolton is making basically two more charges that are similar to charges having to do with you, one involving turkey, one involving china. if you don't investigate this now, is there a risk, if you don't subpoena bolton now? do you want to see john bolton subpoenaed in front of congress now? >> i have to talk to the committee chairs and see what mechanism is the right way to go. what is certain, congress always has a responsibility to make sure we are conducting oversight and appropriate investigations. you know, that responsibility never ends and it is not tied to election year, not tied to election cycles. you know, congress can never turn away, walk away from its constitutional obligation to be the co-equal, separate branch,

and to check a run away presidency. yes, if there are allegations and things we need to look into, vis-a-vis china or other countries, we have to do that. we do it to be mindful of our tools available, limitations the president put on us, be strategic how we do that. >> in order to get the votes to start the inquiry, there was this idea that you had to be narrow with impeachment, had to be just on ukraine. one of bolton's chief criticisms, and he wasn't alone, there were a lot of folks on your side of the aisle thought this is too narrow, you actually need to expand this investigation. do you regret the scope you guys had? >> absolutely not. we were targeted, we were strategic. we had information we were working off of at the time, people that were willing to come forward and tell their story. you know, this president does

things on a weekly and monthly basis that are shocking to the conscience and turn their back on democratic institutions. we could be looking at so many things, and we are looking at so many things the president does. i don't regret at all making sure that we had an investigation based on the information we had at the time, and we pursued that. and by the way, we proved our case. a lot of senators, republican senators have come up and said publicly or privately that we proved our case, so to me the shocking thing is not that this continues to happen because president trump has told us time and time again who he is, he has proven who he is. the shocking thing to me at this point is how many people continue to be complicit or silent. the silence of so many people in congress and enablers in the administration is shocking at this point. history is going to judge those folks harshly. >> yeah. congressman jason crow, democrat from colorado, much appreciate you coming on, sharing your

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welcome back. in a major setback for president trump's administration, the supreme court ruled 5-4 the white house cannot immediately end the daca program president obama created that protects nearly 800,000 dreamers from

being deported. they have basically known know other country than this. john roberts was the swing vote deciding with the liberal justices. pr president trump responded saying these horrible and politically charged decisions coming out of the supreme court are shotgun blasts into the face of people that are proud to call themselves republicans or conservatives. with me now, pete williams who covers the supreme court for nbc news, jose diaz-balart. and "nbc nightly news" on saturdays. good to see you both. pete, i don't know if you saw the signs that we see in the old days, half kidding there. some folks having flashbacks to that, conservatives angry with fellow conservatives, but explain what this ruling is and what it isn't. >> sure.

what it is is ruling that says the way that the trump administration tried to shutdown daca flunked a test under federal law. this is not a ruling about daca, this is a ruling about how the trump administration tried to shut it down. remember, it was created by extraordinary by president obama with the stroke of a pen, with a stroke of a pen president trump could have stopped it. instead said it is illegal, the justice department said so, there was a memo from jeff sessions, attorney general, department of homeland security said here's why we want to shut it down. that's where the supreme court said it went off the rails, they failed to analyze as they must under federal law when you try to shut a program like this that people depend on, allows them to stay in the country, get work permits. that's where the supreme court says they failed that test. so that leaves the door open for the trump administration if it wants to to try to shut it down

again. again, the president could do it by executive order, seems not to want to take the heat for that. could do it again through justice department or dhs, if they do that, undoubtedly there would be more court challenges and stretch it out a couple years. >> take us back, there have been a few rulings already. has your thoughts of the court's makeup changed in your head? what should we make of what we've seen this week, what should that tell us about the so-called five conservatives and four liberals? >> well, generally speaking that's going to hold. you'll see more of that as we get through the rest of the term. the big surprise this week is neil gorsuch saying he is a techs actualist, will say you can't fire under the 1964 civil rights act people being gay or

tra transgender. a lot say john roberts is not a reliable conservative. they had the voting rights upheld for the president's travel ban. the surprise to me was gorsuch. >> got you. that means for someone like you, not all court rulings are predictable, at the end of the day this is a reminder something about that lifetime appointment can give these guys some independence. jose, i want to turn to you. so at this point i know on one hand there's a lot of dreamers that are relieved, but they're not out of the woods. what do you sense will happen next? >> well, chuck, just to start, daca is a two year program. you're not guaranteed anything under daca. you have a two year program, you can get a driver's license, work

permit, start to integrate into society. these dreamers know this only as their country. it has become available and accessible, you have to arrive before 2000, before you were 16 years of age. these were kids that were brought to the united states through no fault of their own, didn't make the decision to come here, know no other country. it is a two year program, but it is a lot better than thinking at any minute the supreme court can come say they yank all of that out of your feet, you're on your own, probably going to be deported. >> you know, there was one theory of the case that said the only way to get congress to act would have been if the supreme court had gotten rid of daca. that would have been an extreme measure, i have no idea how the senate would have reacted. i hate to say this, there are senators acting relieved they don't have to deal with this

issue. >> which is just an embarrassment to think senators whose job it is to deal with issues and to help this country are relieved they don't have to take a tough decision, a tough choice. you know, we heard the president say that. he said when he came into office, don't worry, dreamers have nothing to worry about, i've got special part in my heart for dreamers, and the concept that he himself said that now that it is going to be cancelled, the legislature will have to deal with this. the legislature didn't deal with it. it doesn't seem to be any interest to get any bipartisan agreement on dealing with immigration. this is such a popular issue for both parties. it is things like the overwhelming majority of americans, republicans and democrats, independents, all see the dreamers as special people who should be allowed to stay. yet you don't see change.

>> do you imagine this becomes, this will fire up immigration advocates in the community in the fall to sort of force this issue? because it is unfortunately sinking on the agenda level, we have a lot of issues that percolated up. >> yeah. when you say this is a good day for senators, they don't have to deal with the problem, kick this proverbial can down the road, you know, i don't know what it will take, chuck. i don't know what has to happen so legislators can legislate, get together, and say there are things we can agree on, one of them is 700,000 people who have been in this country, know no other country, are fully registered, let's deal with them. >> yet they're in limbo still today. >> that's right. >> feeling better. >> much better today. >> thank you for some context around the story as always.

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welcome back. former atlanta police officer charged with felony murder in the shooting of rayshard brooks

turned himself into fulton county authorities this afternoon. in addition to felony murder, he faces ten other charges in the brooks death. the other officer charged turned himself in this morning. i spoke to him with katy tur and his attorney earlier this afternoon about the prosecution's claim that he would be willing to be a state witness, testifying against the other officer. >> seems to bepart. we have been cooperative with the attorney. we spent three hours with them two days ago, answering their questions. he is not a state or defense witness, he is a witness. he will answer anybody's questions accurately, if officer rolfe subpoenas him, he will answer his questions. right now, the d.a. charged him with a crime. he is not going to answer the d.a.'s questions while they bring false charges against him.

>> joining me from atlanta, katie beck. katie, seems as if over time between the fulton d.a. and mr. brosnan's attorney, they have been talking past each other, weirdly in agreement how to classify him right now. is that fair, katie? >> reporter: that's fair. there's certainly a disconnect in communication between yesterday and today and it is still sort of vague exactly what the relationship is, but it seems clear from brosnan's attorney he is not going to be a state's witness, he is cooperating, giving his best account of what happened that night, but testifying against a fellow officer is a totally different thing, that obviously carries larger implication for the prosecutor, strengthens his case quite a bit, and frankly is a scenario we rarely see one officer testifying against another on a felony murder charge, so to see this sort of dispute play out has been kind of interesting, but today we got a definitive answer in the

interview you did, it was amazing how much they opened up and offered in terms of how they feel about their case moving forward and the relationship that exists with the d.a. >> as for garrett rolfe who turned himself in today, is he going to get bail or be spending the night in jail? >> reporter: yeah, as far as we can tell, chuck, there was not a bond recommended for him by the d.a., it doesn't look like he will be bonding out. his attorney issued a statement recently saying he basically looks forward to presenting more evidence in the case. he feels like his client will be exonerated, plans to release more tomorrow. we may see some evidence from that side as soon as tomorrow, but his attorney also feeling confident that the charges were forced and too fast. >> katie beck at the fulton county jail for us there.

thank you. on capitol hill senate democrats remain divided over their next move on the police reform move that republicans want to bring to the floor next week. vote down the bill introduced by south carolina tim scott, they risk appearing they are not for anything happening. or legislation they think doesn't do enough for reforms and runs into a stalemate with the house. scott wrote this op-ed in usa today. i choked on fear when stopped by police. we need the justice act. garrett haake is on capitol hill. yesterday i spoke with senator merkley and asked him, you know, is he willing to sort of let this go to the floor and he said if it's an open amendment process, and we're going to get weedy here, but what is mitch mcconnell promising next week? >> we don't know yet what he's

promising. he has a couple of days still, i think the vote would probably be wednesday when this would come to the floor. neither he nor chuck schumer are showing cards here. schumer is clear, the bill needs to get a lot better. the question is how does that happen. democrats have a couple of inflection points in which they can try to put hard ball with the bill, try to force changes to the bill before allowing it to come to the floor, or if they think there's a possibility of anything like an open amendment processor process or a couple amendments they can win, bring it to the floor, fight it out down the line. what i increasingly hear from democrats, it is not a case of take a half loaf, this is a quarter loaf. the republican bill doesn't go anywhere close to far enough for them. so i think there's a natural instinct to pull back, say it is not worth it, have this fight, it is not even close to enough. but the public sentiment is

powerful. you heard it from nancy pelosi. the american people want something done. as long as there's any opportunity to move the ball forward, pressure is on democrats to try to do that, even if ultimately they can't get to something that they could affirmatively vote for in a final bill here. >> sounds like what you're saying, garrett, they may not be comfortable with this, but don't want to shut it down next week. >> not yet. you know, if there's a glimmer of hope to turn it into palatable law, i think they'll continue with that for as long as possible. >> all right, garrett haake on capitol hill for us this afternoon. thank you, sir. up next, we're going to talk to the attorney working with families of breonna taylor or, amoderator ar berry and george floyd. the civil rights attorney joins me next. life isn't a straight line.

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understanding i'm not the first to ask for these considerations nor seek them in this case. however, i can assure you that at the end of our investigation we will do what is right, we will find the truth. >> welcome back. that was kentucky attorney general daniel cameron this afternoon, giving update to the ongoing investigation into breonna taylor's death. she was killed in a no knock raid. despite calls from her mother and protesters for officers to be charged, the investigation into the officers is still ongoing and no charges have been filed. louisville city council voted to ban no knock raids last week, but no mention of them in the president's executive order tuesday. before he signed that order, he met with several families that lost loved ones to racially motivated violence, including the mother of ahmaud arbery. joining me, lee merritt,

attorney in the cases. lee, i want to ask you about the white house meeting. tell me about it, and did you feel as if the president was listening? >> the meeting was very somber. i got the impression the white house was hearing a lot of the stories the first time. we brought some cases that were better known, families that were better known, ahmaud arbery's case. seriously? what just happened? >> are you there now? i think we're good now. lee, do you hear me now? >> okay, i don't see you. i can hear you. >> okay. go ahead, keep going. >> sure. okay. so again, the meeting was somber. we went over some of the facts of the case. there was a lot of tears and the president was listening. as we started to talk about how

the law prevented justice for these families, you mention the no knock warrant, not part of the executive order, qualified immunity prevented families from recovering financially, how the lack of section 242 in the bill, without the language changed about the level of mental culpability, they couldn't get federal prosecutions, he wasn't ready to change what he was advocating for. >> i want to go to the breonna taylor situation. you heard the attorney general. we are going on more than three months since breonna taylor was killed. what do you think the hold up is trying to figure out, is it trying to figure out who to hold accountable for this? is it the person that allowed the warrant, is it the person that ordered police officers in?

what is your understanding of what the holdup is here? >> i don't think they have inclination to prosecute police officers, i think it opens a flood gate if you prosecute the officers that showed up or officers that gave the order because this isn't the first time this happened. this is something, this was their policy, practice and procedures for that department. i understand they're in the process of changing the law. we're in national debate about changing the law. this wasn't an accident. this is what they plan to do. what they are trained to do. so to call the responding officers criminals, you have to work your way up to the department, admit their mission is -- like these kind engage in >> this is why i wanted to ask the question. it seems to me like the entities that should be held accountable

is who gave the order, and do we not have a sense of who and how this came about? >> well, they know where the chain of command came from, they know who's the lead investigator, who signed the warrant, what judge signed the warrant, who presented the evidence for the warrant, for the no knock warrant, and they know whether or not the officers were following training. i don't think it is so much a question of who but if they have the authority under the current state of the law to condemn these actors for their horrible actions when it is what they were told to do. >> you were also there tuesday in the senate when you saw the bills get unveiled. what's your biggest concern as you watch the political debate take place on capitol hill, you're representing families that want to see reform, want to see tangible change here.

you've obviously seen what's out there in the various bills. what's your biggest concern about the way the debate is shaping up? >> biggest concern is that nothing happens, that we go to politics as usual, two sides are polarized, nothing gets done, the can gets kicked down the road. that's the biggest concern. the other concern is that we allow one group to introduce some things that look like justice that move us in that direction but don't do anything effectively to change outcomes fast. >> you know, i have been thinking budget thabout that. there's always the idea in washington that if you can get everybody to take a small step in the right direction, take it. do you think in this case, though, that it is too late for a small step in. >> there was a moment in the senate hearings, i don't know if you had a chance to watch it, in

the judiciary committee hearing, i had a chance to speak with senators on both sides of the aisle, and there was a moment mr. booker, senator booker asked me, he said if there are two things in the bill you would say were absolutely necessary to change outcomes in cases of the families, what would it be. i said we would have to include radical change to qualified immunity, and section 242. he looked at lindsey graham, and said do you hear that. he said i wrote it down. they're exchanging notes, thinking of compromise. i'm hoping that they produce something that will actually impact the cases. >> well, that's a good moment to make note of. something our producers will make note of, see if we see that. lee, appreciate it. apologies for the issues. thank you for putting up with the technical difficulty, sir.

and our technical difficulties may have continued. a big thank you to lee merritt. up ahead, the president is planning to hold his rally. and coronavirus is growing fear that the event could be a super spreader. hi, i'm bob harper,

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newsom ordered californians to wear masks in public. california joins a number of other states, including new york, that have similar guidance. at least 20 states are seeing their daily caseloads tick up right now. the last 24 hours, arkansas, arizona, north and south carolina and texas all broke records for current coronavirus-related hospitalizations. the southern united states continues to be an area of concern where texas and florida logged more than 3,000 cases each today. for the second day in a row oklahoma reported a record number of new cases, all of this just days before president trump's massive indoor rally. already there is some crowds that are lined up for saturday's rally, which the city's republican mayor has expressed concerns about. a local health official says he wishes the rally would be postponed. ready for this? we just got word that the venue, the bok center, is asking the trump campaign for more information on a health and safety plan. cal perry is in tulsa for us. cal, melissa frankel and i were

just talking, is this suddenly -- is this a reminder that this isn't a done deal yet? not every "i" has been dotted and every "t" has been crossed for this rally? >> reporter: when you talk to people outside, there is that sense nobody knows the plan. i was asking will you wear a mask inside? some people said it's going to be required by the bok center. that's not true. this statement says they want a written plan from the trump campaign to the bok center. they will review that plan specifically, they say, on social distancing. they will then consult with health officials and part of that statement they say they'll encourage people to wear a mask. as you said, the politics of this locally are pretty messy. people here are not thrilled about this rally. we have this trend headed the wrong way in tulsa. the seven-day average is at an all-time high. you then saturate all of that, soak it in the politics of these masks. there's this group think going

on in this krould thcrowd that wear a mask, you're not a trump supporter. there are some local businesses around the area that are just going to shut down in the next 48 hours because they're concerned about an influx of people. how the trump campaign responds will be interesting. the only plan they have put forward so far is they're going to do temperature checks, provide hand sanitizers and masks that they say will be optional so we'll have to see what this plan is. the obvious question is how do you socially distance 19,000 people in an arena that seats 19,000 people, chuck. >> cal, you've been there a couple of days. how many people really do camp out for these things? we always hear the president's twitter feed and brad parscale and things like that. what have you observed? >> reporter: in the last 48 hours, it's like 30 to 50 people. it's the hardest-core folks. they're here mostly because they want to be seen by us or on the internet. that's why i want to give that warning that they're not representative of the 100,000 people that will come here tomorrow. you'll see tens of thousands of people saturday, when everybody

will really arrive. the last 24 to 48 hours is the same 30 to 50 people. >> cal perry on the ground for us in tulsa. cal, thank you. we'll be right back. in your feet?

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before we go, don't miss this week's edition of meet the press college roundtable. each week we bring together people tackling i uz that impact them, their communities and their future. the guest tomorrow is mark cuban. three interesting journalists as well on nbcnews.com, peacock and all of our nbc news streaming platforms. that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> chuck, quick question. you had a big newsworthy interview today we'll be covering in our hour. i'm curious as a journalist just what you took from it because it was fascinating to get that perspective of the officer and his lawyer. >> i was surprised how much time

they spent with us, to be frank, ari. i'm sure that's -- i'm sure as a lawyer you're probably thinking the same thing. the only thing i took away is this lawyer must really be confident that he has a solid case to get his client off. that looked like a young officer that, you know, really believes that he didn't do -- he didn't knowingly do anything