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so president trump also continues to tear into his said we did not take adequate former national security advisor, who gets him these steps to make sure we were not becoming carriers and spreaders people, john bolton in a series of the virus ourselves. of tweets yesterday denouncing i believe absolutely that that the bombshell revelations made contributed to the spread of the in bolton's forthcoming book. coronavirus. the department for homeland security, tsa's parent trump called the book, quote, a organization, did not respond to compilation of lies and made up npr's request for comment. stories trying to make me look earlier this hour, we told you bad trying to get even for me about the moves that social media sites took yesterday to firing him, like the sick puppy tamp down on posts by the he is. some projecting there. president. with facebook removing a the president later raged on, campaign ad featuring once again calling his former controversial imagery and twitter labeling one of his cabinet member a wacko for his videos as manipulated media. joining us now, founder of cnbc, handling of peace talks. longtime media ceo tom rogers >> donald trump bashing his former employees, jeff sessions whose recent piece for cnbc's his former ag said, quote, he's website is entitled "how to not mentally fit to be attorney regulate social media when there is no good answer." >> well, the title, tom, begs general. on rex tillerson, his former the question. secretary of state he called the >> how? >> how do you regulate social

former exxon ceo, quote, dumb as media when there is, as you say, a rock. no good answer? on james mattis, who he picked >> well, i enjoyed your column in "the washington post" on the as his secdef. same subject, joe, and i think we agree. we've got a big problem here the world's most overrated with social media as to who is going to be the arbiter of general. and now on john bolton, his truth. and i think we also agree that former national security advisor, a disgruntled boring it shouldn't be zuckerberg's approach which is hey, not me. fool who only wanted to go to why should we be doing this or war. the man that trump picked dorsey's approach at twitter himself, a cbs reporter asked which is, yeah, we'll take this trump why he kept making these on sometimes or trump and barr's approach which is basically to terrible hires. >> why do you keep hiring people try to politically intimidate you feel are wackos and liars? platforms into doing what they want to do. if those aren't the good >> i wouldn't answer it either because there's no good answer. answers, what is the good answer? your column suggests getting rid as charles cook quipped on of the section 230 liability twitter, quote, we should shield which protects these social media platforms from any probably change our system so the president gets to pick his liability, from any speech on them. one way to do it, my approach is own staff. it's really not fair that this to say we should have an keeps happening to him.

independent arbitration process. a really fast one that gives us >> willie, who pushes these some ability to police what's going on there, but take it out wackos, these sickos, these of the hands of the social media platforms so we're not losers as donald trump would concentrating more power there and not giving them the ability say? we know it can't be donald trump to be the ultimate arbiters. because we know donald trump >> so how would that work in the said i'm going to only pick the case of, let's say for instance, best people, the finest people. this video that i discuss in my what's happened? >> that's his quote from the column which is a conspiracy campaign, the best people, which has come back to haunt him time video that's put together and and time again. claims the coronavirus is these are people respected nothing more than a money-making inside washington. people he will say he was told venture for people like anthony to hire. not exactly a profile in courage fauci and a secret kabal of when you stand up and say, wasn't my fault. i didn't know about this guy. shadowy figures who are going to get rich off of this hoax? i learned later he was a wacko and i ask this question because and then i fired him like a dog. i've had doctors, i've had family members, i've had friends that's the pattern that comes to call me up over the past several this. each one of these people down to months asking, could you take a general james mattis is someone look at this? this seems to be legitimate? that came highly recommended to is it true? him and he is now a victim of and my first question, when i those recommendations, according first thought, what, are you on

to his logic. facebook again? >> and he was very excited about and the answer was, of course, mad dog mattis and let everybody yes! because it's facebook that know. >> yeah. >> he was excited about rex allows these lies that are bad tillerson. said tillerson was right out of for american health that promote violence, that promote libellous central casting. was excited about jeff sessions. he and everybody around him said words that promote things that damage our democracy. it is facebook where this is jeff sessions is the most primarily housed. brilliant man in washington. they said it. >> and they have an economic the smartest guy in the senate. incentive to do it. the more controversy, the more he gets whatever position he people they bring in the more advertising revenue. and with that, very little wants, secretary of state, attorney general, they couldn't incentive to do something about it. we've got to do something about say enough nice things about it because there's a lot of terrible information out there jeff sessions until jeff sessions actually recused and we have got to have some mechanism to police it. himself because the law required so the answer to your question, him to do it. any lawyer, certainly the ethics how would this work, you have to of the legal profession, have a group of very diverse required him to do it. any lawyer, other than his roy arbitrators who were somewhat trained for this process. trump would get to pick one. cohn would have done it himself. >> two polls continue to show the side contending that it was donald trump trailing joe biden false and misleading information

would get to pick one and just nationally the latest quinnipiac as in the case of any arbitration, the two would agree on the third arbitrator. and arbitration is used all the poll has trubiden up 49% to 41%. time to have independent reviews outside of the court system. one of the problems i have with trump leads among men overall, just getting rid of the 230 white voters without a college liability shield is that you're left to the courts then which degree. biden also leads the president are slow and take forever. this would have to be a very in the q poll by eight points speedy independent process where among voters 65 and over. you could get immediate recourse and if somebody was found and a new fox poll has biden violating fairness or wrongful over trump 50 to 43%. information, three times they'd and the president is underperforming for key shares lose their privileges for 12 months to be on the social media he won in 2016, including white platform. arbitration with teeth that could be an independent process evangelicals by 23 points and but something that would create rural voters by 9 points. a real disincentive for irresponsible speech. >> you can look at these >> tom, it's willie. these conversations often come down to that debate over whether numbers, the white evangelicals outlets like facebook are publishers or platforms. and the rural voters, bad for

if they were publishing everything that appears on facebook, they would be responsible for that content. him. and same with black voters, only if they call themselves a platform, it means, hey, we just expecting 16% of black voters have a forum where people can just two months ago. come and say what they like. the number i looked at yesterday facebook last year banned white coming out of the fox news poll supremacist content on their that would be the most platform or whatever you are concerning to me if i were the calling it. and so they have taken some trump campaign is joe biden's responsibility in the past. favorabilities. so when do they pick and choose, joe biden at 53% approval how do they pick and choose what they feel responsible for when it comes on, on facebook? rating, 44% disapproval rating. he's plus nine. we've been doing presidential >> well, i think you are pointing to a real issue here elections for quite some time which is very arbitrary. and having any candidate plus we've seen in the last couple of nine at this point in a campaign days zuckerberg responding to is pretty shocking. his employee base, responding to especially if you look back and see what happened four years advertisers. going with the political winds. ago, and it's doubly difficult it's a very arbitrary process and you never know what they're when donald trump has raised going to police, what they're tens of millions, hundreds of not going to police. millions of people -- of dollars outrageous what twitter allowed to stay up involving the tweet from rich donors and they've on joe which is just absolutely plowed that money into ads disgusting that there isn't a trying to damage donald trump process for immediate recourse for the family affected there.

and at the same time trump even sometimes it's in their interest got impeached trying to destroy to claim they're publishers. biden's reputation. sometimes it's in their interest and yet, here we are, biden is to claim they're just a platform for other people's views. still at 53%. >> yeah, there's no way to sugar you have billions of people on coat it, the trump across the b these platforms, so much speech for them to be the sole other than his base of working regulators of what can or can't get on concentrates an enormous class white voters. amount of power in social media even the internal polling he's platforms that are already looking at trying to put it in unbelievably powerful. how do we take that power away the most favorable light is bad. from them but still have a policing process that's truly their theory of the case is he's independent. and i think we have the ability got to jack up the vote of the to craft something here. remember, when the broadcast working class whites. he thinks they can use facebook industry started and you have to go into the rural communities give scarce spectrum to broadcasters and pick and choose and there's a 4 to 5% hidden who had an electronic voice and who didn't, we had a fairness vote he can turn out. we did a poll looking at what doctrine. the existence of the fairness doctrine kept things reasonably his base thinks about the balanced on air. protest, what they think about the likelihood of getting found the debates we're having, 77% of in violation was the same as his base wants more force, more being hit by a meteor in your backyard but it created a degree police force to quell the

of policing. rallies, not less. >> one more big media story, on 50% strongly oppose the rallies. his first day on the job since being approved by the u.s. 5% strongly support. so he's in sync with his base senate, michael pack, president trump's choice to head the u.s. and he thinks somehow he can squeeze out more working class agency for global media which white voters to win an election. oversees congressional funded but the reason that you were broadcasting services fired the able to do your introis that he chiefs of those feels like the victim. government-sponsored broadcast he feels like the victim of the networks for foreign audiences. courts, of the staff, the victim npr reports that pack dissolved of rallies, the victim of virus. the advisory boards over each of the networks such as radio-free europe, radio-free asia and he's done this and he's gone placed his own aides above them through these phases which you guys talk a lot about, but i've never seen him more obsessed and also stripped his own with his victimization on a agency's senior leadership by stripping them of their sustained basis than the last two weeks. authority. every tweet, interview, meeting "the new york times" reports he's done, read the transcripts, pax's moves were criticized as an effort to turn the news it's striking. >> you look at his main organizations under the united justification for getting states agency for global media into partisan outlets. elected to evangelicals and the conservatives, it's the supreme the organizations received funding from the american court. it's all i hear from my friends government but operate

and my family members that still independently. support donald trump, yes, we pack is a close ally of steven don't like him but the court. yes, he's a bad human being but bannon who has long urged trump the court. yes, we'd never invite him to to take charge of the news our house for dinner, he's so organizations and reshape them disgusting he's a bad example to his purposes. tom rogers, your thoughts real for our children. but the court. and now this week, as we come to quick? >> well, the barr justice the end of the week, these same people are forced to face the fact that donald trump's first department put forward a legislative proposal to make pick for the united states them essentially speech police. supreme court did more to this is another example of the advance the rights of -- of a trump administration looking to insert themselves in speech and police it. we don't want the government doing that. the government has no role in doing that. community that evangelicals have what has succeeded here in terms been pushing against for of these foreign broadcast decades. this has been a remarkable week. operations is that they are viewed as a degree of >> it has been. objectivity holding up the it's also been a remarkable week american media as a source of for the law. as well as civil rights. free and objective press to the extent we lose that, we'll lose i understand what they're the effectiveness of these getting at, and this whole foreign broadcast operations. running on the supreme court, >> tom rogers, thank you so running on the justice system much. really appreciate your insights

this morning. that did work in 2016. all right. it's been quite a week. putting out that list that president trump did, was really appreciate you joining masterful, it gave people a us. that does it for us this rallying cry, all the people you're talking about, your morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. family members, joe. but just because you put someone who is constitutionally >> hi there. i'm stephanie ruhle. conservative on the supreme it is friday, june 19th. court, doesn't mean they aren't going to look at the facts in juneteenth. here's what's happening this front of them and decide what morning. crowds of people are lining up in tulsa, oklahoma, for the law intended, including what president trump's rally that is the role of the courts and doesn't start until tomorrow night. the trump campaign says a congress. million tickets have been donald trump still has that one requested. thing to run on, he has that's more than twice the entire population of the city of tulsa itself. appointed two supreme court it is, of course, happening against the backdrop of a pandemic. yesterday the state of oklahoma justices. that is as much his flag to saw its highest daily count of plant in the ground as it is new cases yet. the people lining up do not seem mitch mcconnell's flag to plant to be concerned, but the city in the ground but what else does is. tulsa's top health official he have to run on? wants to postpone the rally. what does your family say to you the editorial board of the that wants to vote for him that "tulsa world" says wrong place, wrong time. and right now, there's even a he wa they want out of a second term? lawsuit to try and stop it or at he's fulfilled that part. least make it safer.

i was looking at the fox news we're expecting that ruling from poll, you know what stood out to the state's supreme court later today. me? they will decide if people at it was the question, do you think donald trump cares about the rally will be required to wear masks and keep their people like you? distance. and yes, 37%. something that would seem impossible in a jam-packed arena. no 57%. president trump told "the wall and don't know 6%. street journal," quote, w so there were 6% of them who were like i'm not sure if he cares about people like me. that's striking to me. you want to believe, whether you agree politically with someone that your president cares about you. don't get me wrong, biden is not above 50% in this poll for that particular question. but 37% is sad. >> so when we had -- in congress when we had pollsters come in and try to explain why bill clinton defied gravity politically, willie, they would always point to that question, does he care about people like

you? and bill clinton always fared better in that question than any republican. and it always was his strength. people believed that bill clinton, despite all of his failings cared about people like him. donald trump, 37% for a president, he's minus 20 on the issue of does he care about people like you. take his name off the ballot. take biden's name off the bal t ballot, give that number to any pollster and they'll tell you a person with those numbers is going to lose an election. also, i'm really going to be looking forward to seeing what the evangelical number is again two, three weeks from now. because as we talk about lgbtq rights, again achieving the greatest advance in the history of their movement because of donald trump's first selection to the supreme court. this is not like a side issue

for conservatives and evangelicals. this is not like how gorsuch interprets the interstate commerce act. this is at the very heart, along with abortion, on why evangelicals have sold their political souls to donald trump. we will sell our political souls has been the bargain and this guy will fight for us. he will fight for what we believe in. he will fight for traditional values. he will appoint supreme court justices who will be conservative with a big c. and as we come to the end of this week, again this -- this ruling that gorsuch authored undercuts every argument donald trump has ever made to evangelical voters, you can trust me, i'll put the right person on the supreme court to

tamp down on what he would call alternative lifestyles and to tamp down on abortion rights. that's just not happened. donald trump has failed. >> yeah, i mean, how many times have we talked about it on this show, how many books have been written about evangelicals and their relationship with donald trump. and the line we've always heard, joe, is we elected a president not a saint. we elected a guy to stand in the breech for us in this culture war as we see times passing us by. he appointed a justice in judge gorsuch who as you said reversed discrimination against lgbtq people in this counted. a lot of people think this is a good advance for people in this country, a lot don't. so what will the evangelicals do? if you don't get that out of donald trump and you're left with the other stuff you don't like but you like the judges he appoints and he stands in the breech for you in the culture war, what are you left with with

donald trump? that will be an interesting number to watch. also look at these favorable, unfavorable numbers -- >> willie, sorry, we have a delay here. forgive me. also the other issue donald trump talks about all the time, second amendment rights. what was it, ten cases that the nra and gun groups wanted to be heard by the supreme court, and what happened to those cases? they weren't heard. the supreme court wouldn't listen to them. so all the things donald trump has been promising when it comes to guns not coming to fruition at all. they didn't get a negative ruling from donald trump's conservative supreme court. they didn't even get in the front door on guns as well. so if you're thinking i'm voting for donald trump because i'm going to get justices that are going to help on second amendment rights and make it more expansive and go beyond

heller and also going to be a champion for, quote, traditional families, well, those are two of the three main cultural issues where the supreme court this week, with two donald trump picks said, no. no. we're not going the way that evangelicals or conservative gun owners want us to go. >> yeah, and alicia menendez, we just showed the cross tabs the places where donald trump is doing so poorly except for among white people with no college degree, a big lead there. but a key number, a basic gut number, the favorable, unfavorable number that's different from now back to 2016 when hillary clinton, like donald trump, was upside down on how you felt about them, joe biden is plus nine on that number, donald trump on that fox poll is minus 13. yes, there are the policy questions that will be out there

as voters go to the booths but also how do you feel about the person? do you like them? and the question to fox news people, the people who responded to the poll, they were 13 points upside down on donald trump and plus 9 for joe biden. >> i go back to what jim said about the fact that president trump is in sync with his base. part of the challenge for the president is the base is often not in sync with the majority of americans. remember his support was strong among white evangelicals. so you take a variety of stories that have happened in the last few weeks and months whether it's the handling of the global pandemic and the conversation about when states should reopen, how they should reopen. talking about a pandemic that hit communities of color harder, that becomes a complicated conversation. you talk about the protests in in the streets right now over

police brutality, equality, the president so out of step with where the national conversation is. and most recently, look at the ruling on daca, this is popular among the vast majority of americans, including republicans. i would imagine there's strong evangelical support for that as well. all of these things complicate this picture when you ask do i like this person, does this person care about me. those are all things on voters' minds right now and show no indication of not being on their minds come november. >> speaking of the supreme court and daca, we're going to talk about that in more detail -- >> huge decision. >> -- a huge decision. another case that made donald trump very angry at the supreme court. in part, a supreme court that he's helped to shape and he'll also talk about the violent imagery that he tweeted talking about how the supreme court had,

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the supreme court yesterday ruled that the trump administration cannot shutdown daca. the deferred action for childhood arrivals program. chief justice john roberts with both the deciding vote and the author of the opinion in the 5-4 decision. that, for the moment, allows more than 700,000 undocumented immigrants brought to this country as minors to remain in the country they call home. but the roberts opinion joined by all four liberal members of the court didn't address the constitution constitutionality of the program. the decision left to errors in

the administration. roberts writes, dhs has flexibility in addressing any reliance interests and could have considered various accommodations. while the agency was not required to pursue these accommodations, it was required to assess the existence and strength of any reliance interests and weigh them against competing policy concerns. its failure to do so was arbitrary and capricious. in a decenting opinion justice clarence thomas writes, today's decision must be recognized for what it is. an effort to avoid a politically controversial but legally correct decision. the court could have made clear that the solution respondents seek must come from the legislative branch. among president trump's twitter reactions was, quote, these horrible and politically charged decisions coming out of the supreme court are shotgun blasts into the face of people that are

proud to call themselves republicans or conservatives. we need more justices or we will lose our second amendment and everything else. vote trump. he followed minutes later, do you get the impression that the supreme court doesn't like me? >> willie, shotgun blasts to the face of conservatives and republicans and then warning about the second amendment, of course, we just talked about how even with trump's two picks the supreme court is not even hearing second amendment cases that the nra wants them to hear. but the violent rhetoric is the sort of thing you would expect the from a totalitarian leader, from an autocrat trying to, it seems to me, if it's a stretch let me know, but trying to incite violence against judges.

>> well, of all the phrases he could have used, it's unclear to me why he chose that one. it's not like it's a common expression. i don't know if he's trying to incite violence. but what i do know is he can't imagine a scenario where this decision or any decision is not the supreme court doesn't like me? maybe it's not about a political question. maybe it's not about you, president trump. maybe it's about upholding the law. maybe it's about upholding the constitution. if you look at the president's positions on daca, just on the time he's been president, he's all over the place. in 2017 he wrote a tweet where he said, does anybody really want to throw these people out of the country, a lot of them good, young, some serving in the military. last year he came back saying a lot of these people are no

angels. so he has no core conviction about the daca program. he just believes it hurts him politically, lets down his supporters. and again, what happened yesterday was about him. >> not only did he say they weren't angels. he then alluded to the possibility they weren't criminals which couldn't be further from the truth. especially when you look at the rules and regulations in place. it's not easy to be a daca recipient when you look at the qualifications it requires. if the emphasis should have been on anyone yesterday, it should have been on the 700,000 daca recipients whose lives have been in limbo. in a moment of national uncertainty, we're feeling the uncertainty when do we go back to work, send our kids back to school, you have 700,000 people who don't know if they're going to be able to stay in the country they call home. if yesterday was supposed to be about anyone, it was supposed to be about them. people in the immigrants rights movement will tell you it's work

you don't get a lot of wins. so there was a lot of surprise yesterday, a lot of celebration, and there was for the first time in a long time the ability to take a breath and say, okay, we are going to be okay for now. if this administration keeps this program in place. that's why you now see advocates moving to the next round of the conversation. trying to put pressure on the administration to keep the daca program in place. to extend renewals for the next year and also to finally step up and support the american dream and promise act that passed through the house last year. but in as much as this is a moment of reprieve for these 700,000 people, 27,000 of whom are health care workers, who are doctors or nurses or emt workers who are going into work every day to fight a pandemic in this country to make sure that other people in this country are safe and while they can finally breathe a sigh of relief, but they also, most of them, live in

mixed status families, they have a mom or dad or sister or brother, whose ability to stay in this country is still very much in question. if you look at the -- at what the justices wrote, the big thing they keep circling back to is this idea that daca was never supposed to be a permanent fix. it was supposed to be a temporary fix until there could be legislative action. so that now becomes where the emphasis is, it now becomes the focus of the organization and in as much as there may not be the capacity to do that between now and november it becomes a rallying cry in the lead up to this election. >> absolutely. >> jim, here's one more example of an issue -- >> contrast. >> -- contrast, joe biden said he will make it permanent, donald trump going the opposite direction. it goes back to your poll, donald trump focussing on his base, whether it's on the marches, the pandemic, or whether it's, let's say, now on

daca. and yet, in instance after instance, he's picking a -- picking a side of an issue that overwhelming majority of americans are opposed to. i just -- i don't know, maybe you can give me a little insight from people you talked to around the president, i know there have been stories about the president, some of the white house fearing he may not want to get reelected. but why, as we're moving in closer to an election and his numbers are getting worse, why does he keep choosing sides that the majority of americans are opposed to politically? >> if you pull everything together that you talked about in the show so far, on almost every topic what alicia said is right, the republican party is in a place most of the country isn't, whether it's on daca, gun

control, whether it's on the virus, on the racial rallies. they're on the opposite side of those. can squeak out a me because he massive margin among white voters. go back to that conversation that paul ryan, mitt romney and others had of the election. if they do not change their view and do comprehensive immigration reform they're going to be out of step with the fattest growing population -- fastest growing population of american, they could become a minority party. a what they tell you inside the white house and you have to look at it through the happiest lens or most optimistic lens when you want to win re-election. they think if they can hit the idea i'm donald trump, i'm going to reopen the economy and give you the stock market you had six months ago and i'm the law and order guy, he's going the opposite of what everybody in the media thinks you should do.

he says, no, if i'm saying i'm the tough guy, there are a lot of working class white guys and others who won't tell you they like it, but they like it. and a rally -- they're turning it into a festival, flying people into a place you have a spike in virus infections. they're going to have music acts. they'll have things to the side stage. he believes that that contrast of him being in public. him being out there, being the tough guy, with joe biden having to do most things virtually. he thinks those two things will work to help him. yes, he's at a low at 38, 39% favorables but he'll bounce back up come election day. one thing you talked about a lot that you have to remember, michigan and wisconsin yes, he won those states but he won those with fewer votes than in one case mitt romney got and one

case george w. bush got. because a lot of democrats didn't come out to vote. could he do it again, obviously he did it last time and most of us thought he couldn't. but it seems now that people know so much more about him, the suburban women are going i like the policies, but i don't like him, i'll go with the policies. but now, love him or hate him, people know what you're getting. watch twitter, read the transcripts from the interviews and you know it. >> that's just it, if the president thinks the numbers are going up by throwing his version of maga coachella in tulsa tomorrow, we have data showing that's not working, the fact he's tried to wish away and saying this has faded away now, the fact that he says he won't wear a mask, he doesn't want

people to wear masks tomorrow, he'll hand them out if they want them, but they're not mandating them. that tough guy -- which is not most people's definition of touch guy -- that act hasn't worked in the last three or four months. his polls have gone down on his handle of coronavirus, have gone down on the protests in the streets and the way he's talked about them. you look at the cross tabs but one area, the one group of people, which is white male voters without college degrees, isn't he digging deeper into one subset of voters at the expense of the others he needs to win the election? >> yeah. that subset of voters is that strong 35% of the country that we've seen be with him since he was elected. he gets validation from them. that's part of why they are holding a rally, one they want to be out campaigning because it is a presidential election year and they want to get their guy

voted back in, but two we all know president trump likes the validation, likes the adoring crowds. it makes him happy. it's how -- i believe jim's staff has reported multiple times on this idea of you have to pump him up to get him to pay attention. so a lot of this is about ego to a certain extent and a lot of these decisions are about his ego. if we go back to john bolton's book, if what john bolton writes in that book is true, the president sees everything in relationship to himself. i want to go back to the daca issue and something alicia was talking about. the 700,000 people get a little bit of a break. they've been in this limbo, there's a little less limbo now. that's great. but there's an opening for joe biden politically here. the reason why we have daca is because congress, back in the obama days and the obama white

house couldn't get their stuff together to do something about comprehensive immigration reform. congress couldn't get its stuff together in this administration to do something about comprehensive immigration reform so we could not have the daca conversation again either. congress has to do this. clarence thomas' decent made that point as well. this is a legislative problem. the way joe biden uses this, if all of these polls are somewhere close to correct, and these state polls, that it's hard to understand and know that the polling in the battleground states is right or correct as we saw the last time around. but if he can bring on his coattails members of the senate and keep the house, there's a possibility they could do comprehensive immigration reform. that's the campaign joe biden needs to start doing going forward. he needs to speak to all of those individual people. there's an opportunity for him.

now on the other side for president trump, he gets to continue to be that guy who said i was going to get rid of daca during the campaign. i'm the one who's hard on immigration. while also being saved from the fact that 700,000 people aren't afraid of being deported today. there's a way to play this too. if he wants to slow walk dhs re-repealing daca, that's something he can run on too. i think joe biden has a solid, solid case for voting for voting in a lot of these states and for saying the importance of showing up to vote for members of congress. >> alicia and jim, thank you both. still ahead, janet napolitano who helped create the daca program under president obama will be our guest this morning. plus, social media sites tamp down on posts by the

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overnight, twitter marked one of president trump's tweets as having manipulated media. the president last night tweeted a video of a fake cnn report with the headlines terrified

toddler runs from racist baby and racist baby probably a trump voter. the clip shows a young white boy chasing a black boy before showing, quote, what actually happened in the viral video from last year of the two toddlers running toward each other, ending in a hug. the doctored video ends with the words on the screen, america is not the problem, fake news is. if you see something, say something. twitter said they labeled the video manipulated media to give people, quote, more context. okay. also yesterday facebook removed a trump campaign advertisement for featuring a symbol used by nazis to identify political prisoners during world war ii, the ad had an upside down red triangle, which the president said was used to invoke antifa.

facebook said in a statement, we removed these posts and ads for violating our policy against organized hate. our policy prohibits using a banned hate group's symbol to identify political prisoners without the context that condemns or discusses the symbol. before the ad was removed, however, it received more than a million impressions across president trump and vice president mike pence's accounts. it's not clear whether the trump campaign was aware of the origins of the symbol. but the campaign director defended the ad, writing the red triangle is a common antifa symbol used in an ad about antifa, pretty straightforward. he also pointed out the red symbol was not listed as a hate

symbol. the moves yesterday by facebook and twitter are in the positive direction. but the fact those are considered big news, shows you how deep a hole you're in here with social media. the latest op s-ed for "the washington post," saying zucker says he's disgusted by trump's rhetor rhetoric. it's just crocodile tears. the travels of sir john was suppos supposed memoir from christopher columbus used as a reference guide despite the book's fantastical tales of journeys across oceans and treks through

strange and beguiling, i was reminded of this when i saw zuckerberg's response. the facebook failed to shed a tear while russia based operatives posted on his site throughout the 2016 election and beyond. the social network admitted the russian propaganda it allowed on its website reached 126 million users even after the election. zuckerberg said it was crazy that any russian influence on his site influenced the vote. later, the chief operating officer was told facebook had yet to contain the russian influence. sandberg yelled at him for being

disloyal. three years later, zuckerberg remains unphased by warnings of his site's context. even when it's scientists funded by his own family's institute. in abook chief executive to stop the social network from spreading racial misinformation, incendiary language that harms people, special in our current climate that is grappling with racial injustice. zuckerberg responded to these pleas with little more than crocodile deals while claiming, the raw sewage his site allows to spew daily the ceo profits mightily off hate groups and conspiracy theorists whose

dangerous ideas are given a long reach on facebook. david patrick underwood was alleged murdered by a member of the far right group who used the george floyd protests as a motive for the killing. they said the suspect allegedly posted the group and that zuckerberg's website promoted the group to the other unsuspecting users prior to the killing. it also published a false charge that a 75-year-old man battered by the buffalo police was a member of antifa with the call for hunting down antifa members appearing on the same social network one wonders what awakes the peace activist when he finally leaves his hospital bed will the facebook founder shed a tear for the battered senior

citizen if a cruel fate is ahead of him because of the conspire theories allowed on the website. and will the facebook founder attend the funerals of those that fell prey to the lies of a conspiracy movie that attacked dr. fauci, and dismissed covid-19 as a plot hatched by a cabal of elites using the virus to make money and seize power? zuckerberg and facebook didn't act to remove the film until the blight on public health has been liked, shared and commented on by nearly 2.5 million viewers and was seen more office than a taylor swift concert. with more than 115,000 americans dead from covid-19, why are

facebook and its founder not responsible for the damage caused by spreading such conspiracy theories? the more critical question now is why congress continues billionaires such as zuckerberg, sandberg, and twitter's jack dorsey, whose company is likewise not liable for its reckless and damaging practice to rake in billions by publishing violent rhetoric, deadly disinformation, deranged conspiracy theories and foreign interference that debases america's culture and erodes our very democracy. congress still lets these conglomerates luckture rate in absolute immunity from the harm they cause to americans' life. citizens can hold car companies, airline corporations, restaurants and doctors and small business owners liable for

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welcome back to "morning joe" in an interview with "the washington journal," president trump spoke about juneteenth claiming he made the holiday, quote, very famous. the journal reports president trump told them a black secret service agent told him the meaning of juneteenth as the president was facing criticism for initially planning to hold his first campaign rally in three months on the day. the rally is scheduled to be held in tulsa, oklahoma where in 1921 a mob of white residents attacked and killed black community members destroying a thriving black business district. the journal continues quoting the president, i did something

good, i made juneteenth very famous. trump referring to news coverage of the rally date. it's actually an important event, an important time but nobody had ever heard of it said the president of the united states, mr. trump paused an interview to ask an aide if she heard of juneteenth and she pointed out that the white house had issued a statement last year commemorating the day. mr. trump's white house has put out statements on juneteenth during each of his first three years. really? we put out a statement? the trump white house put out a statement? okay. good. end quote from the president. joining us now, president and ceo of the national urban league. this morning they published a report entitled state of the 2020 census an accurate black count at risk, which looks at the underreporting taking place in black communities in this

year's census. thank you for being with us. >> good morning, willie. >> you can address the president's comments if you like but more broadly what you're feeling on juneteenth, that no one had heard of it but in the past couple months, many more americans have done homework and understood what this means. >> the president's fogginess over what juneteenth is should not dominate this day. let's not make this day about what donald trump did, knows or doesn't know. juneteenth, in this year, 2020, should really be about an opportunity for americans to reflect on that day in 1865 when enslaved africans learned of their freedom that had been provided by the emancipation proclamation two and a half years earlier and a day to remember george floyd, a day to remember ahmaud arbery, a day to remember rayshard brooks and all

the victims of police violence across the nation. we should make the day about that, we should make the day about that commemoration. not a celebration but a commemoration and a time when americans can learn. we at the national urban league made this a paid holiday for our employees. a number of american companies have done the same. i think that trend is going to grow and it's going to continue. and we should consider making juneteenth a national holiday. >> by the way, that idea is out there by people saying we should acknowledge this day every year. what's happening right now in this country? are we getting better than where we were based on the killing of george floyd under the knee of a minneapolis police officer. have we started to move toward a

better place in terms of of not just policing but in terms of understanding black america and doing something to change it and make it better. >> this movement we see on the streets of america, and it's now in the houses of worship, it's in every board room in america, every kitchen in america, this movement is the beginning of the beginning. it's not the end of the beginning. it's the beginning of the beginning of what i hope is going to be a time of transformation in american life to overcome racial injustice. the stain of slavery and segregation and its legacy and aftermath remains with america today, and if juneteenth is of great value to us, it is a value to help people learn to pique their curiosity about the truth of the black experience to understand the reality of racial wealth disparities, educational

disparities, health dispairties that exist in american life and recognize here we are, just six years away from the anniversary of the founding of this country and will our legacy be that this generation has turned the corner of racism and this generation decided to put america's regular sin behind it. we're at the beginning of the beginning, it's going to take substantial efforts for us to do it. it's not going to be a one time thing or one bill in congress or a few measures or gestures, all of these steps are welcome. it's more than taking down confederate statues or celebrating juneteenth. although those are welcome steps. we have to deal with economic disparity, health disparities. and it's within the power and goodwill of this country to do those sorts of things.

we have to see this for what it is. this is the charge and the challenge of this generation, willie. >> mark, let's expand the conversation. we have columnist and editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. professor at the university of texas victoria dee fran check a. and donny deutsch is with us. and shawna thompson is still with us. the latest quinnipiac poll has biden up eight points 4% to trump's 41%. biden holds sizable leads among black voters, women, white voters with a college degree. trump leads p among men over all and white voters without a college degree.

biden also leads the president in the poll by eight points among voters 65 and over. and a new fox poll has biden's new national lead over trump at 12 points, 50 to 38%. the fox news poll also notes the president is underperforming his share in key vote groups he won in 2016, including white evangelicals by 23 points and rural voters by 18 points. also this fox news poll biden fares better when it comes to favorability, a net positive by 9 points, 53 to 43. there you go. gene robinson, given the fact that donald trump says he's made juneteenth famous, i wonder where his numbers are going to go with black voters, given that he asked the question so prophet

cli almost, what do you want to lose? it appears a lot. >> yeah, an awful lot. i think his numbers among black voters are only going to go down. but i think, you know, you ran through all the polling data, i think the important thing is that if you look at those polls and you look at all the polls, really, that we've seen in the last couple of weeks, you see trump's numbers weakening. you know, but the same pollster shows, you know, if you follow the same poll over several iterations, you see that trump's numbers now are going down and biden's numbers are going up. and that trend is, right now, unmistakab unmistakable, so polls are a snapshot, but it's kind of clear from that suite of polling that we've gotten over the past

couple of weeks that the president's re-election is in serious trouble and that the american people believe there are very good reasons why the president's re-election is in serious trouble. and republicans are worried, and they ought to be, that this cake is getting baked now. that people are making up their minds, that this president for a variety of reasons, the handling of the pandemic, the protests, his cluelessness, its illegalities, for a variety of reasons, this president is not up to the job, not fit for the job, and we need a change. and i -- personally, i think that's a very healthy sign, and don't be overconfident but they're very healthy signs. >> those of us who follow politics maybe too closely look

for defining moments in campaigns, so many point back to 1980 when reagan was in that gym and grabbed that microphone, said i paid for this microphone mr. green, of course his name was breene, and that was seen as a defining moment. like cdue cab kis when he put te helmet on. and i remember june 1st a lot of us talking about that being a defining moment. donny you can go back and look at that day, at the numbers that followed a michigan poll that showed a collapse, biden up 16 points. that was taken right after that day. people were repelled by what they saw. but we're in june. i always remember i think there was an abc poll that had hillary clinton ahead by 11 points before the comey letter came

out. you never know what's going to happen in campaigns, but i am starting to get the feeling, like gene said, every day that goes by where donald trump doesn't change his trajectory, the cake is getting baked a little bit more. people have been drinking new coke. we've talked about new coke quite a lot here. they don't like it. and you know, you can keep going back and doing the same thing over and over again and it's not going to help. but as we look at all the numbers, shawna brought up a great one last hour that points to the real problems that donald trump has on the issue of cares about people like me. one of the most important questions asked in any political poll, across the past three, four decades, donald trump is minus 20. when it just devastating number, 37% to 57%. that's devastating.

and if he doesn't turn that around, it's hard to see how he threads the needle and wins again. also, after spending tens of millions of dollars trashing joe biden's character. after having him be the singular focus. after donald trump even got himself impeached trying to trash joe biden's character, joe biden's numbers just keep going up, and this fox news poll, his approval is plus nine. plus nine. and, of course, we're showing right now for people driving in their car, the cares about people like you number, donald trump yes, 37, no 57. joe biden 47 yes, 41 no. those two numbers right there paint a devastating picture in this fox news poll and donald trump's campaign team have to figure out a way to change those numbers, and it's hard to figure out how they do it when donald

trump's numbers have been set in stone for the most part over the past three and a half years. >> yeah, we are seeing kind of a baked situation. a few of the numbers in the cares about voters like me is a critical one. another one i look t at is the fear number. i think fear is the greatest motivator more than anything. when you look at the election, people who support joe biden, over 60% of them are doing it out of fear of donald trump. whereas people who support donald trump, only 33% are fearful of joe biden. that's reverse from what happened with hillary clinton. people were so afraid of four years of hillary clinton, they were willing to take a flyer, that's number one. second number from an ap poll i find stunning, 63% of republicans think we're going in the wrong direction. that's two out of three republicans think this country is going in the wrong direction. so when you start to look at those numbers, you go what is going to happen dramatically in

the next 140 days that's going to shift this. once again, these guys are pretty big. now what's going to be interesting to see is this weekend. you guys talked in the first hour about obviously the trump rally in tulsa, it's interesting that all of a sudden this is his first rally yet, they're starting to talk about bringing in musicians and side acts and up front acts. almost the feeling of going back to that same stuff is not going to work anymore. i find it interesting they need to dress this thing up. i really do think there is panic in the trump campaign and it is early but it is not that early now if you think about it. and the numbers seem to be getting more and more baked, not less and less baked. >> victoria, if you look through the numbers, the president in the q poll is down 16 points among latino voters but the decision in the supreme court on daca, the opinion was authored

by john roberts, a conservative judge appointed by george w. bush. that issue is about more than a latino voters, a majority of the voters, 61, 62% of americans, support the idea of daca. the president has suffered two big defeats in the supreme court on top of the handling of the coronavirus and the reaction to the protests in the streets in the country recently. what's the impact on his politics, yes but also the country? what does it mean for young people in america? >> i think it is a mobilizing force. i want to go back to what donny said and say, amen, about the role of emotion. i'm a social scientist, i love numbers. i think at this moment it's really looking at two emotions because politics is about emotions whether we like it or not. it's about empaty and it's about fear.

we see a deficit in terms of empathy and a tremendous amount of fear. fear from the pandemic. every american, every person in the world is fearful about the pandemic. black americans are hyper fearful in this moment of racial injustice. latinos, even though we had a win in a way yesterday's small win reminds us that we had a ton -- over the last couple years under the trump administration. from the muslim ban with regard to immigration, from the border wall, to the child separations at the border. so what i'm seeing is this fear coming together and pushing people to get involved. because the good thing about fear is that it mobilizes people to get off their butts, go register and go vote. so in looking toward what the effect of the last couple of weeks has been, it's been one of shock, it's been one that's

shaken us to our core, but i am cautiously optimistic that all of the things we've seen happen over the last couple of weeks in addition to the larger administration is going to push that fear panic pbutton and get folks to make good on what they're telling pollsters, that they dislike trump. >> in an essay for the new yorker entitled the history that james baldwin wanted america to see, which is from his forthcoming book, eddie glaude writes in part, in his reflections james baldwin wrote that we were witnessing the death of segregation and that the question was how long and how expensive the funeral would be. if only he knew. more than 50 years later we're still marching in the procession and on the streets.

the costs are mounting. how many of our loved ones are rotting in prisons and jails? how many are breaking their backs trying to make ends meet? and how many souls have been darkened from the effects of america's original sin. true freedom for all americans requires that we tell a better story, a true story, about how we arrived here. >> mr. mayor, just as americans were beginning to finally process the brutal murder of george floyd, atlanta happened. how do we explain this to our children? how do we explain this to our legislators that we need that police officers who still haven't got the memo, hold them accountable? >> joe, you're absolutely right. what do we say to our children? what we should say to our children is we are going to

change this. we're determined to change it. and in the congress of the united states, there's a bill, the justice in policing act. it's a strong comprehensive bill, it's not a symbolic bill, a voluntary compliance bill. it's a bill with teeth and it would be the most powerful gesture by the congress and the united states senate to enact that at this time without any delay. it does the things, it bans chokeholds, it creates a database of police officers, it puts in place a system of national standards, it modifies the civil justice rules and the criminal justice rules with respect to holding police officers accountable. we don't need a symbolic gesture. we need a strong step. and each city, each mayor, each council, each sheriff across the nation should be introspective, look at their departments, and make the changes. this is our time, our moment to address this. and we cannot continue to tell

our children, well, we can't do it. we need to tell our children, we will do it. and we need voices across the board. what the protests show. what the voices that have spoken in the last few weeks show is that the american people are aligned with change. aligned with that it? will the politicians hear it and make the changes necessary? for those that don't, these issues will be on the ballot in the fall. >> as eddie glaude wrote, segregation is dead but how long will the funeral procession be? here we are, half a century later, and minneapolis is still happening, atlanta is still happening, people have taken to the streets to say no more, but the question is, how much longer will we be talking about this?

>> well, i think, you know, i will be talking about it and other people will be talking about it for quite some time. i also think, to a certain extent, the news media will be talking about it, too. this is now a part of our presidential election. and it seems that the president is also not going to let it go away, either. you look at the video that the president tweeted. i don't want to give that too much credit or time or anything, but the video you showed earlier, that was doctored and had the black child running away from the wihite child and you find out, no, it was a way to hit back at cnn and fake media and all that stuff. i see that video, i see if the president is willing to retweet that, that he doesn't understand anything that someone like eddie glaude wrote, he doesn't understand the conversation about systemic racism, the conversation about cops if he

thinks he can use that fear and anger to make a point about fake news. it totally dismisses everything we are talking about right now. if that is the case, you know what that creates in a lot of people, it creates anger. victoria was talking about fear and donny was talking about fear, anger is also a motivator in the presidential election. in that motivation, i think you're going to find that people are not only going to keep taking to the streets, they're also going to take to the ballot box. that's what the president should be scared of. he thinks it's a lark to tweet something like that, and people see that and internalize that. maybe that riles up some of his base, i'm not going to say it riles up all of his base but it definitely riles up the other side and people on the streets. >> that's the problem for every person it riles up, there are three, four, five on the other side who it scares. and that's why fear is such a big motivator, that's also why

so many of donald trump's supporters have begged him from the beginning to ask him to stop tweeting, so many of his staff members, fund-raisers asking him not to tweet, but he ignores them. so i want to follow up on what donny said, gene robinson. this is fox news talking about the fear factor. biden supporters are likely to say fear trump might win is behind the vote choice, 63% than it is enthusiasm for biden, 31%. the opposite is true for those backing trump almost twice as many say enthusiasm is motivation, 62%, fear biden might win, 33%. fear is a factor when it comes to turnout. in 2016 more of those backing trump, 61%, than hillary clinton, 54%, said fear was the motivator. so here we have, again, again in

this hyper partisan age where it's really -- it's negative partisanship that drives people to vote, the fear of donald trump or the fear of hillary clinton or the fear of barack obama or the fear of mitt romney. that's been the primary motivator over the past 20, 25 years in this country. in joe biden you have a guy this morning, at least according to fox news, that's plus nine in his favorability ratings and only a third of donald trump supporters fear getting elected president. fear is not driving trump voters, but it certainly is driving biden voters. >> right. i saw those numbers in the fox poll too and was struck by the fact that they are very much -- the fear factor is very much right now in joe biden's favor,

and that was, as you noted, that was not the case in 2016. you know, i think back to 2008, when -- i think barack obama was -- toward the end of the campaign on a -- clearly on a good trajectory, i think it looked like he was -- he was likely to win but when the financial crisis hit, and his -- people were truly desperate and truly frightened about what could happen, we thought the whole financial system could just collapse and send us into a deep depression, and obama reacted with calm and logic and it was kind of a soothing reaction, and mccain did not. mccain seemed unable -- john mccain seemed not to be able to get his arms around it, not

really to understand what it was about, and i think that's when a lot of people made up their minds and they were fearful that we can't have john mccain running the country at this moment. and so it's very important, and you can trace it back election after election and right now it's in joe biden's favor. >> so donny deutsch, listening to the conversation and listening to you talk about the cake may be baked i'm thinking about the democrats watching the show screaming saying we thought we had the cake baked last time four years ago and being burned by that proposition as donald trump won not the popular vote but the electoral vote and became president of the united states. think about the world four and a half months ago, there was no coronavirus in our lives, that we knew of, we hadn't seen the protests in the streets, the

revolution changing the country before our eyes. so obviously these numbers, the trump campaign there's not a lot of good in there, there's not much to find to celebrate. he'll have a rally this weekend to get his spirits back up in tulsa, but what's your level of caution right now as a democrat who obviously supports joe biden about where this could go in the next four and a half months before election day? >> i'm glad you brought that up. if you look at the state polls, florida, wisconsin, pennsylvania, they're really just two or three points apart. we can't get head faked by the national polls that we know don't matter. one thing i would like to point the lincoln project, they are doing advertising hitting at the gut, whether it's the new one about china, whether it's about his health. you have to keep punching so hard at trump. there's so many places to go but

at a guttural leve challenge thd democrats, this is the definitive playbook. the thing i feel hopeful about is trump is not a good loser. he does not play well from behind, he's not a good loser. i think we'll see him unravel. i think trump as always is going to be his own worst enemy. i want the democrats to pay attention to the lincoln project. they're doing a superb job. >> whenever he unravels and is self-destructive it hurts many others as well. mark, are you hopeful during this moment? not just for significant policy change but societal change? >> i'm hopeful and there's a lot of -- there's a great deal of promise out there, mika. but it requires people in the media to keep the attention on this protest, on this movement,

on this moment of transformation. it requires protests to continue or to be carried right into the ballot box in the fall. it is an awakening because the protests -- i've been to protests in washington, others here in the new york area. and i'm enthused by the young people, by the breath and the diversity of those out there. and if this can be sustained, this will be a movement and not a moment. and that's the challenge before us. a movement to overcome racial injustice, to overcome the long legacy of slavery, segregation and discrimination in this country. if we can do it, we can make america an america for all, an america with the foundation of justice and opportunity. we also have to have a vision that provides justice for all. what's our north star in this

fight to overcome the legacy of slavery, discrimination and segregation. >> mark, thank you very much for being on on this important morning. don donny, thank you as well. joe, is it okay on this serious day to talk about donny's shirt. that's just -- >> here's the deal. >> -- so bad. it's like a baby's t-shirt stretched out to fit on him. >> donny right now, willy, he's resting, he's tanned, rested and getting ready, because you know the kids wherever donny goes, what are they screaming? they're screaming they want saturday night politics back and they want it back now. >> but not in that shirt. >> no, they want it back now. as we make that final run, you know, i'm thinking back, willie, all the times that i watched saturday night politics with you, remember the debut of the bay city rollers in '75 --

>> what are you taking donny? >> adelae stephenson. everybody you don't get to the presidency without going through -- without -- i'm not even going to talk about what v avril harman did in '61. >> be nice. >> donny needs to get out of the hamptons and he needs to get ready and start saturday night politics, the weekend after labor day, what do you say, willie? >> not in that shirt. >> i'm more acquainted with bill clinton on arsenio with the shades and the sax. but donny is doing well, you can see he's working the arms quite a bit, i don't know how the legs are doing -- >> please don't reinforce this. >> the guns are out.

he has the plunging neckline downfront and he appears to be h sitting on the show room floor of a high end furniture store. there's a lot going on with the shot. >> i'm left hander. i know the nation is callingherg i can do for the country because i am a patriot. >> wear clothes. >> the nation awaits, the world awaits and your neighbors in the hamptons await because they want you to get out of their neighborhood and stop walking around the block every morning in your baby gap t-shirt. saturday night politics coming back this fall. >> gene robinson we'll read your column in "the washington post" entitled john bolton is a weasel in a party of weasels. still ahead, the impact of the coronavirus, which has infected more than 8.5 million

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the supreme court yesterday ruled that the trump administration cannot shutdown daca, the deferred action for childhood arrivals program. chief justice john roberts was both the deciding vote and the author of opinion in the 5-4 decision that, for the moment, allows more than 700,000 undocumented immigrants brought to this country as minors to remain in the country they call home. but the roberts opinion, joined by all four liberal members of the court, didn't address the constitutionality of the daca program.

the decision rests instead on errors made by the administration. in the memorandum to rescind the program. among them providing no reasoned analysis for doing so. joining us now former secretary of homeland security, janet napolitano, and legal affairs correspondent for npr nina totenberg. >> thank you for being with us. this week reminds us again conservatives who select presidents to collect supreme court justices sooner or later find out they are not like nasa monkeys that you can feed and teach them to push buttons and once they get into that seat they will blindly follow commands from a republican president. talk about this week and what an extraordinary week it's been in the development of the court and john roberts specifically. >> it really has been extraordinary. i would be lying if i said that

i foresaw this. i did not foresee it after the oral arguments. there was only a little bit of a hint from justice gorsuch that he was thinking about the lgbt position from a very, as he would call it, textualist position, that the law says what it says. the daca argument, i think every reporter came away thinking, this looks like a dead duck to me. so it was really quite extraordinary. i think the chief justice's position, people say -- you know, they talk about the chief justice as if he were just any other justice. but he's not. he's the chief justice. and traditionally, a good chief justice tries to -- understands his position, of course, it's always been a his, understands his position, he tries as much as possible to, what they call, mask the court, get as much of a

majority as they can, and sort of pull the country in a direction that is not too harmful. do no harm is the first law of the law in some ways. and this chief justice, this is the second time he's done this to this administration, said, look, the law says you have to take certain steps when you change an administrative program. and if you don't take those steps, it's a violation of the law. and you have to go back and start again, and it happened in the citizenship case and it happened in this case. >> how interesting he is, at least i believe, and some of my former republican friends may disagree, but he's so conservative with a small c, in the affordable care act, he was not going to have his institution undermine a presidential election, undermine

legislation that came out of that presidential election. he said, don't ask me to do, on the supreme court, what you can take care of in voting booths next year. he had that same sort of approach yesterday in the decision we read when he scolded somebody, brett kavanaugh, who it seems he was trying to take under his wings by saying, wait standards out of whole cloth. we need to keep o down, we need to follow the rules. we need to follow scholars i ta, immigration scholars, said the d we be the bad from roberts guy? you be the bad guy and take the rap. if you want to undo the program, take responsibility for it, do the things you're supposed to do and say it's on us. instead you want us to do it because the administration consistently refused to say, we

want to undo this alone. they continued to say it was the obama administration's fault, it was an unconstitutional -- an unconstitutional program, an illegal program, and, therefore, it should be struck down. instead of saying we don't like it, everybody agreed on both sides, the administration could have said, we don't like this program, we're going to undo it, we're going to weigh this and that and the other thing, we're going to put our position forward. and they would have gotten away with it. instead they tried to put it on the obama administration. and the bottom line, as i said, is why should the court take the blame. >> secretary napolitano. >> close to eight years ago when daca was put in place, the talk

was it was almost a band-aid. i want you to tell us about the time lines that the administration had in mind and what the path forward in theory was going to be, and did you imagine we would be here, in your wildest imagination that daca would take all of these twists and turns over the last 12 years? >> no -- yeah, so when we created daca eight years ago, it was because we recognized there was this group of young people, typically brought here younger than the age of 6, who had grown up in this country, knew only this country as home, and it seemed particularly unjust and not necessary to throw the whole weight of the united states' deportation machinery against them. so that's the deferred part of deferred action.

and then, of course, with deferred action, you get work authorization and so, you know, now at the height, some 800,000 young people were enrolled in daca, were able to go to school, able to work. some 29,000 became frontline health care workers and have been providing health care services during the pandemic. and, you know, our hope was that when we created daca that at some point congress would act and it would, by statute, put these young people into permanent status and into permanent protection. and on a road to ultimate citizenship. congress, of course, has been stuck on anything related to immigration ever since. but i think the supreme court's opinion yesterday indicates that

really for a permanent fix congress will need to act. >> so that point -- it's willie geist, good morning. if you read the opinion authored by chief justice roberts he doesn't argue against the policy, he argued that it was poorly argued, poorly explained by the trump administration and why they want to unravel it and they say let's kick this back to congress. if you want to do something, do something about it. so what do you view as the future of daca? because this doesn't necessarily protect those young people forever, in fact, it does not. what do you believe to be the future of those 700,000 or so people in our country? >> i think yesterday they breathed a huge sigh of relief, because they at least have protection for now. and i think, in all likelihood, through the end of this term and hopefully we'll have a change in

administration and that will fix that issue. but really daca is just one example of why our nation's immigration laws need reformed. they just don't match up with our current economic situation and our country's values. and they really need an overhaul. >> so nina, let me ask you finally about neil gorsuch and what your take is on the supreme court justice, as this term draws to a close, you have someone who was seen as a loyal conservative justice, but immediately when there were escalating attacks on federal judges, even before the senate confirmed his nomination, he was critical of donald trump, donald trump talked about wanting to rescind the nomination, but it

moved forward. where does this week's ground breaking, stunning opinion -- where do you think it sits in terms of neil gorsuch's judicial philosophy and what we may expect from him in the future? >> well, he's always said that he's a textualist, if you want to put that another way, a literalist, the law says what it says, the words mean what they mean. and, you know, the 1964 civil rights act barred discrimination based on sex. there were no qualifiers. the qualifiers were for religious institutions, churches and the like. so he read the law, he said what it said to him, i don't think anybody should expect that he's suddenly going to become a more liberal quote/unquote justice.

he's a very conservative justice. he's one of the probably two or three most conservative justices on the court. but -- he didn't -- he was on the other side in the immigration case, in the speak d to what janet napolitano was saying, you know that 85% of voters who were surveyed most recently in gallup approve ofdaofd daca and at one point they had a deal, the republican leadership, mitch mcconnell, lindsey graham and the democratic leadership got together and worked out a deal on daca and literally in the last hours, the white house vetoed it and said, no, we won't go for it. this can be done. it is, in fact, an issue that the democrats have held back on -- sometimes in the past,

because they wanted a bigger deal and republicans held back on it because thought it -- they could have it be mainly the only thing as part of revamping immigration law. but if ms. napolitano is correct, and i think any normal human being would say she is, we have to revamp the immigration laws. this is where you start. and it's an easy fix. the administration thought they could use it as leverage to get money for the wall. it didn't work out that way. >> legal affairs correspondent for npr nina totenberg and former homeland security secretary, janet napolitano. thank you both. and victoria, thank you as well. >> just following up on what nina totenberg said at the end,

she said 82% of americans supporting daca. the numbers actually show more support for immigration than ever before. which goes back to an underlying question that we've been raising on this show for some time. will the last three and a half years actually make americans more open to people of different races? we certainly see examples of that not happening, but there have been studies, there have been pew polls that show people are more sensitive to racism in this country, white people, more sensitive to racism in this country ever before because they're being forced to look at m some of the uglier aspects of society that people like me thought -- and a lot of other white people thought were behind us. >> right. >> obviously they're not. >> no way. still ahead, one of our next

guests says when it comes to coronavirus, we need to stop talking about the first wave or second wave. it doesn't matter. what matters is we're seeing an increase in hospitalizations. we're back in a moment.

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. now to the latest developments with the coronavirus as hot spots continue to emerge in parts of the south and west. yesterday florida's department of health reported just over 3200 new cases, setting a record high for cases in a single day.

43 new deaths were reported, raising the statewide death toll to just over 3,000 so far. florida has reported nearly 86,000 cases. arizona, california, south carolina, and texas also reported record high single day increases as the state continues to ramp up testing and works to reopen their economies. joining us now president and ceo of the robert wood johnson foundation, dr. richard besser, a former acting director of the cdc and was appointed by new jersey governor phil murphy to a board that's coordinating the state's reopening. also with us emergency physician and public health professor at george washington university, dr. leana wen, served as baltimore's health commissioner. >> dr. besser, we have been watching in florida, numbers in florida, cases going up, we've been watching politician, we have been watching the

president, we have been watching people on twitter, at one point demanding apologies to florida's governor ron tee san tis, saying look, we've democravoided all ps and the cases are going down. some of my friends doing that, i shook my head. we are, as dr. osar said, we are in the second inning of a nine-inning game. no time to put up mission accomplished signs behind us and declare victory, because as we see in the state of florida the numbers keep going up. >> you know, joe, mike osarhome is correct there. we are in the early days of this pandemic and i'm worried about florida. i'm worried about a number of states not just seeing a rise in cases but they're seeing they're running out of icu beds, seeing increases in hospitalizations.

i have a lot of questions about the data and what we're not seeing. i want to know who is getting hit hardest in these states. we know in the pandemic that black americans, latino, native americans are getting hit hardest. what's happening in florida. break it down by race and ethnicity, by neighborhood, because what we're seeing play out is that those people who have to work, those people who if they don't work they're not putting food on the table and not paying the rent are bearing the brunt of this, especially in places where there's not attention to what kind of protections people have to have, are people wearing masks, how do you ensure all workers have what they need to be safe. >> dr. wen, what are some of the realities of coronavirus that worry you the most as we move forward? >> well, i worry about the urge is in cases. i worry about the number of icu beds that are left actually in many of these states. in florida, texas, alabama, arizona, among others, we're

seeing concerning patterns similar to what we saw in new york city back in march before there was exponential spread. we're seeing the same type of patterns happening now. unlike what happened in the northeast back in march, there doesn't seem to be the political will to even say, let's hit pause because reopening slowly, reopening cautiously, that's actually the key to us preventing another shutdown. i think -- i worry that we're just accepting this new normal where there are between 600 and 1,000 americans dying every day and saying it's inevitable. this is going to happen regardless, when actually, that's not the case. there's a lot that policymakers can be doing now to increase our testing, tracing, public health infrastructure. we could be preparing for the next surge. also individuals, there are things that we can do right now like wearing a mask that reduces transmission by five fold, being outdoors rather than indoors reduces transmission by 18 to 19

times. and we really need to keep up that physical distancing because these are the only tools at our disposal to rein in and contain this virus. >> it's good to have you back on. you sobered people up the other day when you said in an interview there's no guarantee we will ever have a vaccine. that kind of work generally takes years and years and does not always result in a vaccine. i think a lot of people, as dr. wen said, started to get comfortable going outside, restaurants, beaches, outdoor dining, but we have all felt like i guess since february we're biding our time until researchers develop a vaccine. if there is no vaccine coming, you're not saying that's going to happen, but you're saying it's a possibility, what are the long-term implications for the way we live? >> yeah. you know, it's -- i have faith in the science community that they will be able to develop a

vaccine, but yeah, there's no guarantee and no guarantee on timeline. as dr. wen was saying, the tools that we're using right now in terms of social distancing, wearing masks, washing our hands, those are the tools we have. what i expect we'll see is those measures of social distancing being dialed up and dialed down depending on what's going on in communities. in order for that to work, it has to be something that all the american people by into and recognize as the way forward. and without the messaging around this coming from trusted public health leaders, it's always going to be questioned as politics. you're going to see what's happening now where different states are doing different things in what appears to be largely for political reasons. we need to hear from our public health leaders to rally the nation around doing the things that will protect lives, that will protect the lives of those who are getting hit the hardest and those lives that we know are at greatest risk, the elderly,

those with underlying medical conditions. >> leana wen, families trying to figure out what to do, small business owners, is there maybe a criteria that they can go on looking at the cdc guidelines but also for themselves given every individual, what are you doing with your family in terms of getting back to work? >> i would recommend for everyone to evaluate their own values and then their own risks. what i mean is, think about the things that are most important to you. if the most important thing is seeing loved ones family and friends make that happen. you can do that safely. you can get together in small groups of family and friends outdoors in your yard, in a park, space the chairs at least six feet apart, and you can serve food and drinks, but ideally have people bring their own utensils, don't share food or drinks, wave instead of hug. if you have to hug do that

safely too, everybody wear a mask, sanitize in advance, turn your head away, have children hug grandparents legs instead of face to face and if you have to go back to work know that risk is cumulative. if you have to go back to work reduce risks in other parts of your life. we learn to live with the virus and still protect one another as much as we can. >> dr.s wen and besser, thank you very much. as president trump continues to lash out at his former national security adviser john bolton over his new book, one person asks the president why do you keep hiring people that you believe are wackos and liars? that's a good question. "morning joe" is back in a moment

good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, june 19th. along with joe, willie and me, we have nbc news and msnbc contributor shawna thomas, co-founder and ceo of axios, jim vandehei and weekend anchor alicia menendez. good to is you on board this hour. today is the holiday juneteenth which marks the official end of slavery in the u.s. we'll be talking about the significance of this day and the president's claim that he is the one who made the day, quote, very famous. >> nobody knew about it,

actually. did willie know about this. >> willie just got read in i think thanks to trump. >> yeah. >> also -- >> i don't know if anybody knew about it, joe. the white house, they put out for the last several years, donald trump's put out proclamations. president trump learned about that yesterday. >> i don't know if you knew this or not but abraham was a republican. donald trump will tell you that's something a lot didn't know. abe lincoln, who would have known, was republican. civil war. what was that about, donald trump once asked. you would have thought they would be able to figure that out. >> right. >> juneteenth, yeah. a date that nobody really knew about according to donald trump. >> the supreme court blocking the administration from shutting down the daca program.

it is the second surprising ruling this week from a conservative court. president trump also continues to tear into his former national security adviser who gets him, these people, john bolton in a series of tweets yesterday denouncing the bombshell revelations made in bolton's forthcoming book. trump called the book a compilation of lies and made up stories all intended to make me look bad. just trying to get even for firing him like the sick puppy he is. >> wow, who picked that guy? >> the president later raged on once again calling his former cabinet member a, quote, whack core for his handling of nuclear peace talks of north korea. >> the trend of donald trump bashing his former employees, jeff sessions, his former ag, said, quote, it's not mentally fit to be attorney general. said that while he was making

fun of alabama. on rex tillerson, former secretary of state, he called the former exxon ceo, quote, dumb as a rock. >> oh, good, yeah. >> on jim mattis, he picked as his sec spaez def the most overrated general, now john bolton, former national security adviser, a disgrunted boring fool who only wanted to go to war. the same man donald trump selected himself. cbs supporter asked trump while he kept making these terrible hires. >> why do you keep hiring people that you believe are wackos and liars? >> let's go, please. >> yeah. i wouldn't answer it either because there's really no good answer. quipped on twitter, quote, we should probably change our system so the president gets to pick his own staff!

it's really not fair that this keeps happening to him. willie -- >> yeah. >> how -- what -- who? who pushes these wackos, these sickos, these losers, as donald trump would say? who pushes these people on donald trump? it can't be donald trump because donald trump said i'm only going to pick the best people, the finest people, the greatest people. what's happened? >> yeah. that's his famous quote from the campaign. the best people, which has come back to haunt him time and time again. these are people who have been respect inside washington, people he will say he was told to hire. not exactly a profile in courage when you stand up and say it wasn't my fault, i didn't know anything about this guy, i learned later he was a wacko and fired him like a dog. that seems to be the pattern that comes with this. >> disturbing. >> these are -- each one of these people down to general

james mattis is someone that came highly recommended to him and he is now a victim of those recommendations according to his logic. >> he's very excited about mad dog mattis and let everybody know. he was excited about rex tillerso casting. was excited about jeff sessions. he and everybody around him said jeff sessions is the most brilliant man in washington. they said it. the smartest guy in the senate. he gets whatever position he wants. secretary of state, attorney general. they couldn't say enough nice things about jeff sessions until jeff sessions actually recused himself because the law required him to do it. any lawyer, certainly the ethics of the legal profession, required him to do it. any lawyer, other than his roy

cohn, would have done it himself. >> president trump continuing to trail joe biden nationally. the latest quinnipiac university poll has biden up points, 49% to trump's 41%. biden holds a sizable lead among black voters, women, white voters with a college degree and hispanics. trump leads among men overall, white voters without a college degree. biden also leads the president in the puew poll by 8 points. a fox news poll has biden's lead over trump at 12 points, 50 to 38%. the fox news poll notes that the president is under performing his vote share among key voting groups he won in 2016, including white evangelicals by 23 points and rural voters 18 points. >> jim there are a lot of numbers, losing 23 points out of white evangelicals, rural voters

being plus 9 right now, two very bad numbers for him, same with black voters, where black voters are expecting a 15 to 20 point percentage of black voters two months ago, that seems like a distant dream right now. the number i looked at yesterday coming out of the fox news poll that would be most concerning to me where i am the trump campaign is joe biden's favorabilities. joe biden at 53% approval rating, 44% disapproval rating. he's plus 9. now, we've been doing presidential elections for some time and having any candidate up plus 9 at this point in a campaign is pretty shocking, especially if you look back and see what happened four years ago. it's doubly difficult when donald trump has raised tens of millions, hundreds of millions of people -- of dollars from rich donors and they've plowed

that money into ads trying to damage donald trump and at the same time, trump even got impeached trying to destroy biden's reputation. and yet here we are, biden still at 53%. >> yeah. there's no way to sugar coat it. the numbers suck for donald trump across the board other than his base of working class white voters. even the internal polling he's looking at when trying to put it in the most favorable light is bad. what they're trying to do, if you talk to them, their theory of the case is, he's got to jack up the vote of the working class white. he thinks they can use facebook, going to the rural communities, and that there's still a 4 to 5% hidden vote they can somehow turn out. we did a poll we're releasing today and tomorrow that looks at what his base thinks about the protests, what his base thinks about a lot of these debates that we're having. 77% of his base wants more

force, more police force, to quell these rallies. not less. 50% strongly oppose, strongly oppose the rallies. 5% strongly support. so he's in sync with his base and he thinks somehow he can squeeze out more working class white voters to win an election. but, the reason that you were able to do your intro is that he feels like the victim. he feels like the victim of the courts, the victims of his staff, the victims of rallies, the victim of the virus and he's done this and gone through these phases which you talk a lot about, but i've never seen him more obsessed with his victimization at a sustained basis in the last two weeks. every tweet, meeting, interview, read the transcripts, it's striking. >> you look at his main justification for getting elected, evan fellcles and the

conservatives, it's the supreme court, it's all hear from my friends and family members that still support donald trump. yes, we don't like him, but the court. yes, he's a bad human being, but the court. yes, we would never invite him to our house for dinner, he's so disgusting, a bad example for our children, but the court. and now this week, as we come to the end of the week, these same people are forced to face the fact that donald trump's first pick for the united states supreme court did more to advance the rights of a community that evangelicals have been pushing against for decades. this has been a remarkable week. >> it has been. it's also been a remarkable week for the law. i mean as well as civil rights.

i understand what they're getting at and this whole running on the supreme court, running on the justice system, that did work in 2016. putting out that list that president trump did was masterful. it gave people a rallying cry. all the people that you're talking about, your family members, joe. but just because you put someone who is constitutionally conservative on the supreme court doesn't mean they aren't going to loo decide what the law intended as well as what is the role of the courts for what is the role of congress. this is complicated. donald trump still has the one thing to run on, appointed two supreme court justices. he has renamed the federal judiciary underneath the supreme court. that is as much his flag to plant in the ground as mitch mcconnell's flag to plant in the ground. what else does he have to run on? is what else does your family say to you that they're going to vote for him they want out of

him in a second term? he's kind of fulfilled that part. maybe people are taking another look around. i was looking at the fox news poll, what stood out to me, it was the question and i'm looking at my note pad, do you think donald trump cares about people like you some and yes, 37%. no, 57%. he cares 6%. about people like me. that's striking to me. you want to believe, whether you agree politically with someone that your president cares about you. don't get me wrong biden is not above 50% in this poll for that particular question, but 37% is sad. >> still ahead on "morning joe," back in 2016, donald trump suggested that gun right supporters could take matters into their own hands if hillary clinton is elected president. he just did the same thing yesterday about the supreme court. that conversation is next on

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the supreme court yesterday ruled that trump administration cannot shut down daca. the deferred action for childhood arrivals program. chief justice john roberts with both the deciding vote and the author of the opinion in the 5-4 decision, that for the moment allows more than 700,000 undocumented immigrants brought to his country as minors to remain in the country they call home. but the roberts' opinion, joined by all four liberal members of the court, didn't address the constitutionality of the daca program. the decision rests on errors made by the administration in the memorandum to rescind the program, among them providing no reason for analysis for doing so. roberts writes dhs has

flexibility in addressing any reliance interests and could have considered various accommodations while the agency was not required to pursue these accommodations, it was required to assess the existence and strength of any reliance interests and weigh them against competing policy concerns. its failure to do so was arbitrary and capricious. justice clarence thomas writes today's decision must be recognized for what it is, an effort to avoid a politically controversial but legally correct decision. the court could have made clear the solutions come from the legislative branch. among president trump's twitter reactions, quote, these horrible and politically charged decisions coming out of the supreme court are shotgun blasts into the face of people that are proud to call themselves republicans or conservatives.

we need more justices or we will lose our second amendment and everything else. vote trump. he followed minutes later do you get the impression that supreme court doesn't like me? >> shotgun blasts to the face of conservatives and republicans and warning about the second amendment, of course, we just talked about how with trump's two picks the court is not hearing second amendment cases that the nra wants him to hear. but the violent rhetoric is the sort of thing you would expect from a totalitarian leader from an autocrat trying to, seems to me, if it's a stretch let me know, but trying to incite violence against judges. >> well, of all the phrases he could have used it's unclear why

he chose that one. it's not a common expression. i don't know if he's trying to incite violence. he cannot imagine any decision is not about him. when he tweets and says, are you starting to get the impression the supreme court doesn't like me? maybe it's not about a political question. maybe it's not about you, president trump. maybe it's about upholding the law. maybe it's about upholding the constitution. if you look, alicia, at the president's position on daca just in the time he's been president, he's all over the place. in 2017, he wrote a tweet where he said, you know, does anybody really want to throw these people out of the country? a lot of them good, young, some is of them serving in the military. last year then he came back and said a lot of these people are no angels. he has no core conviction about the daca program. he just believes that this hurts him politically, it lets down his supporters, and again, what

happened yesterday was about him. >> right. not only did he say they weren't angels but the possibility they were criminals which couldn't be further from the truth when you look at the rules and regulations in place. it is not easy to be a daca recipient when you look at the qualifications it requires. if emphasis should have been on anyone yesterday it should have been on the 700,000 daca recipients whose lives have been in absolute limbo, who, you know, in a moment of national uncertainty, we're all feeling the uncertainty of when do we go back to work and send our kids back to school, you have 700,000 people who don't know whether or not they're going to be able to stay in the country they call home. if yesterday was supposed to be about anyone it was supposed to be about them. people were in the immigrant rights movement will tell you it is work where you do in the get a lot of wins. there was a lot of surprise yesterday, a lot of celebration, and for the first time in a long

time the ability to take a breath and say, okay, we are going to be okay for now. if this administration keeps this program in place. that is why you now see advocates moving to the next round of this conversation, trying to put pressure on the administration to keep the daca program in place, to extend renewals for the next year, and also to finally step up and support the american dream and promise act that passed through the house last year. because in as much as this is a moment of reprieve for these 700,000 people, 27,000 who are health care workers, doctors and nurses and emt workers going in to work every day to fight a pandemic in this country to make sure other people in this country are safe and well, they can breathe a sigh of relief. most of them lived in mixed status families. they have a mom or a dad or a sister or brother whose ability

to stay in this country is in question. if you look at what the justices wrote, the big thing they keep circling back to, daca was never supposed to be a permanent fix, it was a temporary fix until there could be legislative action. that becomes where the emphasis is and becomes the focus of the organizing and in as much as there may not be the capacity to do that between now and november it does become a rallying cry in the lead up to this election. >> we'll talk more about this with the director of domestic policy understand president obama. cecilia munoz, who had a key role during the creation of daca. "morning joe" is back in a moment.

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overnight twitter marked one of president trump's tweets as having manipulated media. the president last night tweeted a video of a fake cnn report with the headlines, terrified toddler runs from racist baby and racist baby probably a trump voter. the clip shows a young white boy chasing a black boy before showing quote what actually happened in the viral video from last year of the two toddlers running toward each other each -- ending in a hug. the doctored video ends with the words on the screen, america is not the problem, fake news is. if you see something saying

something. twitter labeled the video manipulated media to give people more context. okay. yesterday facebook removed a trump campaign advertisement for featuring a symbol used by nazis to identify political prisoners during world war ii. the ad showcased an upside down red triangle which the trump campaign claimed was used to invoke antifa, anti-fascist group the president blamed for vandalism during the nationwide police brutality protests. facebook said in a statement we removed these posts and ads for violating our policy against organized hate. our policy prohibits using a banned hate group symbol to identify political prisoners without the context that condemns or discusses the symbol. before the ad was removed, however, it received more than a million impressions across president trump and vice

president mike pence's accounts. it is not clear whether the trump campaign was aware of the origins of the symbol, but trump campaign communications director tim murta defended, writing quote the red triangle is a common antifa symbol used in an ad about antifa, pretty straightforward. he proceeded to point out the red triangle was not listed as a hate symbol by the anti-defamation league. coming up much more on daca with someone who knows the supreme court well, former acting solicitor general neal katyal has argued in front of the justices dozens of times and joins us straight ahead on "morning joe."

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entered phase three starting this monday. >> message -- i care. >> he is really -- got something on his mind. >> for the past three months -- be. >> he's entranced -- >> bothered by the presentation. >> with the ultimate hope -- >> listening now back to the twitter. >> and the scotus stuff. >> president trump little distracted by his phone. >> yeah, great job. >> oh, dear. >> oh, my god. >> all right. round table. >> willie, that was a round table on small businesses impacted by covid-19 as the president could tell you. >> oh. >> you know, we've all been there in a meeting but usually not in a meeting where a small business owner is talking about the hardship imposed on her by a pandemic with tv cameras focused on. not the finest hour for president trump. >> must have been pretty important to him.

turn back to the momentous week we've seen out of the supreme court. i wonder if that's what was maybe he was tweeting. so this is what we've got. joining us now former acting solicitor general, legal contributor neal katyal and vice president at new america, cecilia munoz. she served as president obama's director of domestic policy and worked closely in the creation of daca. there's the author of the book more than ready, be strong and be you and other lessons for women of color on the rise. >> we'll talk specifically about the daca decision amendment but as a former solicitor general what an extraordinary week as a court observer regardless of your ideology few could have predicted how this week was going to go. >> yeah. i mean, i think it is a pretty remarkable thing to see the supreme court and the supreme court at its best at a time when

most americans think everything is so partisan and views things through left/right lenses you have two reminders the supreme court doesn't work that way, much as donald trump wishes otherwise. first you had on monday the ruling protecting lbgt workers in the workplace, a 6-3 ruling written by president trump's first nominee to the supreme court neal gorsuch and then the daca decision written by john roberts, a george w. bush appointee, striking down trump's attempt to end daca. that's what the law is about. it makes me proud to be an american and watch decisions like that. >> it's interesting that john roberts, i would guess, you would consider 90, 95% of his decisions to be conservative decisions but he does have the decisions that have broken through this week, whether you talk about daca or talk about

the extraordinary landmark ruling earlier this week, the gun cases that didn't get to the supreme court or, of course, as you know, whether you talk about affordable care act upholding that. his message seems to be the same, we're going to be conservative with a small c. >> yeah. when he was nominated, i supported him and i said look he's a real judge and far more conservative than i am, he's going to reach results i don't like, but he's going to be fair and true in his heart to the law and not to some is over arching principle of what makes republicans do better or democrats or the like. i do think that we've seen that borne out. there's the potential for the chief justice to go down in history as one of the greats. he's one of the few grownups right now in washington, d.c. while everyone else is sniping at each other and, you know, i -- i'm really grateful to see

it. >> cecilia, it's willie geist. great to have you on. working under president obama you helped to craft daca. first your impressions of this decision, but also it's important to talk about what daca is and isn't. we talk in shorthand about what the 700,000 or so people are. what was the conceit of daca. why is it important to you and why do you believe yesterday's decision was so significant? >> daca is a use of the administration's enforcement authority that basically says these people who came to the united states as children who have grown up here are low priorities for enforcement, we shouldn't be expanding enforcement resources to remove them from the country and for that matter they should have the ability to stay and work. it's a temporary way of kind of lifting the weight off of these extraordinarily inspiring young people so that they don't have to worry about deportation and

so that they can go to school and study and work. we know that, for example, 29,000 of them are on the front lines of the covid response is in the health care industry and they're working as teachers, working as lawyers, they're working as health care professionals, and daca is about protecting deportation and giving them the ability -- >> neal katyal, it seems to me also this decision was sort of trump doing this to himself, to an extent in the explanations and think it was justice sotomayor who said the move seemed punitive toward daca and these dreamers, so it wasn't really based on necessarily right or wrong. it was based on how this administration treated these people is that correct? >> exactly. that's correct. exactly. so you know, basically the president we know is cruel, but he's also incompetent and you see both of those things coming out in the supreme court

decision yesterday. you know, if you've represented as i have the federal government before the supreme court, you know it's really hard to lose a case. the president has so much deference given to him in our legal system, you know, i say it's kind of like failing a class at yale, you really got to try to do it to accomplish it. here you've got the president who, you know, repeatedly is losing in the supreme court and the supreme court is saying we don't believe you. we think you're lying. that's what happened last year just about this week, a year ago today, with the census citizenship case. presidents generally would be able to have that flexibility but not in the cruel, discriminatory way he added in and then again with daca. what the supreme court is saying is look, maybe there's a way you can end daca. it might be cruel and undue, cecilia and president obama's work, but maybe there's a way with presidential power you can

accomplish it. you didn't even bother to do your legal homework and explain how you could do it or whether doing so wasn't arbitrary and capricious and in particular the court said there are hundreds of thousands of people who have relied on the daca program and you're just kicking it out from under them without weighing those costs in the equation. >> and for conservatives that are going to argue before chief justice john roberts, they should figure out there is a recurring theme, whether you're talking about daca or whether you're talking about the affordable care act. he's not going to do your work for you. if the trump administration is not going to do their work, if they're not going to take the legal steps required, john roberts is going to write an opinion i'm not going to do your work for you. so no, you're out of luck. same thing with affordable care act. time and time again he's approaching the affordable care act was i'm not going to do your work for you.

the supreme court of the united states is not going to do this year what you can do at the voting booth next year. cecilia, as we talk about voting booths and daca and the trump administration, we're really starting to see and this court case really i think summarized very well where america's moving on daca and on immigration. we talked last hour about how a gallup poll reported that 75% of americans think that immigration is a positive thing and the majority of americans believe that immigration is important for the united states economy to move forward and as gallup reported those are the highest numbers they've ever had in those categories three years into the trump administration. >> in a way that's something that this president accomplished by attacking daca and the dreamers, these incredibly

inspiring program that it effects. a poll came out and found more than 60% of people who voted for president trump believed the dreamers should be allowed to stay and there is no point in attacking them. you know, in a way the president's attempts at cruelty have really elevated how productive, how important these people are to our country and what a loss it would be if we were to spend the time, energy and money attempting to deport them. it's not just cruelty. it doesn't make sense for us as a country. >> well, and willie, it doesn't make sense for us also as we're looking at this presidential campaign and we say time and fen, fe again, we keep finding these issues where donald trump is wildly out of the mainstream of where americans are in the case of daca. the pew poll shows three out of

four americans support the extension of talk. what president in an election year would consistently put himself in a position, whether on daca, whether it's on the peaceful marchers, wearing a mask or returning to school, why would he put himself on the wrong side of a 75/25 issue? >> he's been all over the place on this issue as a matter of fact. as i said earlier in the show a couple years ago he was saying we have to take care of these young dreamers and then later saying last year that they're no ain fwe angels and some are criminals. he at least in the past has been able to blow with the political wind and read the right place to be. this year has been a season of him being out of step with the american public on immigration here as you've outlined but also

on wearing masks, on how the protesters are embraced by 75% of the american public, he's been off base on all of that. i'll give you the word on this, as a legal question, where do you see the future of daca because chief justice roberts said this was poorly explained and argued by the trump administration but didn't really comment on the policy itself. what's the future now do you think legally of daca? >> it does depend on what the president or future president will do. this challenge was narrow and the supreme court accepted it as a narrow challenge an so they isn't say a president couldn't end daca, that they were -- it was impermissible. they said the president here didn't do it in the right way and, you know, i agree with joe. the supreme court is saying look, we're not going to do your work for you and the chief justice in particular, but i think that underlying this decision is something more, it's starting to look like the chief justice just doesn't trust

donald trump. you combine this decision yesterday with the census decision last year and it is really remarkable the chief justice last year basically saying president trump's cabinet secretary and the trump administration lied in their rationale and yesterday's decision has similar tones and so that will, you know, if that trend continues it says bad things about, for example, president trump's tax returns case which the supreme court should decide in the next ten days. >> neal katyal and cecilia munoz, thank you both for being on this very important morning. we really appreciate it. up next, we've heard a lot about whistleblowers lately and a new complaint is raising serious concerns about how frontline workers went unprotected during the pandemic. that new report is next on "morning joe." aa was made for r. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do.

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