good morning out west and a good afternoon here on the east coast. i am chuck todd. the white house will hold a press briefing any minute now. we will monitor any developments within that for you. iet n right now a federal judge is holding a teleconference hearing

in the john bolton bookcase. the trump administration is trying to block the distribution of bolton's book, the contents of which have already been widely reported on national security grounds. a hearing is being held today for former atlanta police officer garrett rolfe. he faces 11 charges including felony murder for the death of rayshard brooks. meanwhile, the mayor of louisville fired one of the three officers involved in the shooting death of breonna taylor today as calls grow for the men to be charged with a crime. and for a second straight day florida's reporting a record high number of daily coronavirus cases. the state added more than 3,800 new cases to its tally today. and almost as if perhaps as a poke at florida new york governor andrew cuomo said he's considering a quarantine for anybody traveling from florida to new york. president trump is brushing aside concern from one of his coronavirus experts. the president tweeted today that the nfl is planning a very safe and controlled opening. this after dr. fauci yesterday expressed skepticism that

football will resume this year unless players are put into a bubble, isolated, if you will. joining me now is my co-anchor for the next two hours, katy tur. katy, another one of those days. what else are we looking for today? >> so today as you know, chuck, is juneteenth, and across the country demonstrations are being held to commemorate the day when all black americans finally learned of their emancipation from slavery. there is a freedom march under way in our nation's capital this hour, along with demonstrations outside the martin luther king jr. memorial near the national mall. in atlanta where rayshard brooks was killed by police one week ago there are a number of marches as well and there are gatherings taking place. we'll continue to follow these events throughout the hours and bring them to you as they come. chuck, back to you. >> that's a great scene there in washington already. president trump is still refusing to listen to the experts. dismissing dr. anthony fauci's concerns about the nfl starting up again this fall.

again, dr. fauci didn't say they couldn't. he just suggested they needed to do it in a bubble. this of course as the president's former national security adviser john bolt bonne's challenging the administration's attempt to block the release v his memoir. mick mulvaney took issue with bolton's history in the administration earlier today. >> i think if there was one criticism that i would level against the president, is that he didn't hire very well. he did not have experience at running government and didn't know how to put together a team that could work well with him. >> joining me now from the white house nbc news senior digital white house correspondent shannon pettypiece. and that from a former acting chief of staff, from a former budget director that was hired by president trump, i don't know how else to react. it's just sort of i guess that is one way to react to all of these folks that have quit the administration and have some

harried things to say about it. >> and he's echoing what we've heard from a number of the president's other defenders who have come out, particularly current administration officials, peter navarro, kevin hassett a few moments ago was telling me that he never has heard the president bring up politics in any of his conversations about the economy. but on this question of why the president keeps coming out and attacking people who were part of his administration, who were brought on by him and criticizing their character and calling them sick puppies and why did you hire those people, it is one thing to say maybe in the early days of the administration a rex tillerson, for example, being brought on and the president now having regrets about that. we obviously know, it's been well documented there was a very chaotic transition period. there was not a formal transition plan. the president was sort of hiring on a seat of his pants type of style, to say the least. in the early days. but john bolton was someone who

was brought in well into this administration who the president had had several years to get to know and familiarize himself with and knew very well where he stood on a number of issues. so as more and more people who were deeper into this administration speak out, that defense is going to become a lot more difficult. >> well, and shannon, when he was considering bolton, plenty of people asked him, are you sure? you know, you and he don't see eye to eye on sort of big picture things like the use of military force. >> reporter: right. and the president when bolton was there would acknowledge that at times, that he almost liked having a contrarian view in the room sxrngs that is something i've heard other administration officials say. and that the president likes to some extent except when it grows public but he likes someone who has a different point of view and that's something bolton certainly brought in this perspective. now that has turned against the president, so he doesn't like it that much. >> and very quickly, he chose to

i guess target anthony fauci of sorts for that nfl comment. i guess we have more explanation why we haven't seen anthony fauci at the white house in a very long time. >> reporter: and as of last week i believe it had been several weeks since the president and fauci had spoken. there's a task force briefing today. i'm not sure if fauci will be there but we saw dr. birx show up. we know these public health officials are still around and talking to people in the administration. but particularly criticizing this comment fauci made about what circumstances will be safe for the nfl to play and fauci saying he'd like to see something similar to what the nba is doing. i would note the president is a big football fan. he's also close to many football team owners like the kraft family, who talk to the president regularly. so he's also going to be getting feedback on that end as well. >> shannon pettypiece getting us started at the white house for us. shannon, thanks very much. and katy, going on the fauci

criticism in the nfl, just today, as you know, our colleague mark murray's a huge texas longhorn fan. he is following every inch of what's going on with as they brought that in. this morning we're already i think at 14 texas longhorn football players have tested positive. the point is we're seeing this as college football is sort of the canary in the coalmine here as they've been inviting people back. this is what dr. fauci's responding to. we're seeing what happens even in a fairly protected bubble of campuses. where they have tried to make the athletic departments they have created isolation. they're still having pretty bad spread of the virus. so this is fauci the scientist, not fauci a trump critic. >> well, fauci and trump are responding to two different things here. fauci's responding to the health crisis and to the science that's coming out. the statistics and what he's seeing.

donald trump is responding to electoral politics and what he needs to win again in november. and he believes it's presenting this idea that we are okay, that we can reopen, that the virus is behind us. chuck, going back to bolton, though, and all of the long list now of those he has hired for his administration and then have either resigned or he's fired, then he's gone on to criticize very public ly i think it's worh reminding people that part of the message he sent to his voters in america in 2016 was he had an uncanny ability to hire. and when i spoke to people on the campaign trail, this was something they brought up a lot, especially because he didn't have any governmental experience. they would say he knows who to hire. i'd ask them why and they'd say, well, because he says things like this. take a listen. >> we're going to deliver. we're going to get the best people in the world. you know, we have the greatest business people in the world. we don't use them. >> cabinet, we're going to have

all the best people. we're going to find out who they are. and it's not going to be a politically correct choice either. >> we're going to use our smartest and our best. we're not using political hacks anymore. >> we want experts. our finest people. we don't want people that are b level, c level, d level. we have to get our absolute best. >> so he said this a lot and people would say they know he has the ability to do this because they saw him do it on "the apprentice," it's part of the legend that he built for himself. i've spoken to a lot of people in the trump world today, yesterday, and going back about all of these times that he's ended up having to trash somebody that was in his administration, and there never is a good explanation for why he hired them in the first place. what they keep on saying is oh, that person was part of the swamp. that's their fallback. >> katy, i know we've got to move on -- >> let's go over to capitol hill -- go ahead. >> very quick, i know we have to move on, but this is not just limited to him as president. this was the atlantic city

experience. after atlantic city, early years of the trump organization. he basically uses people up and when he thinks they don't work for him anymore it's gone, all these relationships end explosively in the trump world. and this goes back to the '70s. anyway. >> look at roger stone. look at sam nunberg. look at corey lewandowski although he still has a good relationship with him. look at michael cohen. we can go on. but let's go to capitol hill. there are a group of senators, chuck, that you know want to make juneteenth a federal holiday. included in that list is senator kamala harris, who announced the proposal last night with msnbc's joy reid. >> together with my colleagues cory booker and tina smith and ed markey we are proposing that juneteenth be a national holiday, and we are dropping that bill to say that juneteenth should actually be a national holiday. >> not just democrats.

texas republican senator john cornyn says he also plans to advance legislation to make juneteenth a federal holiday. joining us now is msnbc's garrett haake. not cake. he's covering juneteenth celebrations today in the nation's capital. so garrett, what are you seeing out there? and just on this legislation -- don't laugh at my cake mistake. what are you seeing on this news that legislation is now bipartisan, the idea behind it? >> reporter: yeah, look, it sounds like john cornyn is getting on that same bill that ckamala harris and the other democrats had originally put forward. marco rubio tweeted his support and said woe do the same. stop me if you've heard this one before but the effectiveness of that effort will depend on the president ultimately. if you see republicans getting on board with that legislation. in the senate it's a very good sign. but as we've learned time and time again it's hard to keep the president's attention on any kind of major legislation and the majority of republicans in the senate probably won't sign on until they know that the

president is for it. but nevertheless, a good positive step. this comes after the speaker ordered some confederate portraits taken down thirngsz that were still up in the speaker's lobby, that were taken down last night in advance of juneteenth. we're across the street from the african-american history museum here in downtown d.c. on the mall, where a crowd is starting to gather here. this is probably going to be the largest demonstration in d.c. when it's all said and done today. the freedom day march. it's expected to start sometime in the next hour or so and go from here to the mlk memorial and finish with speakers at the lincoln memorial. this is i think important to think of as part of not just the celebration of juneteenth but also a continuation of the protest effort that's gone on in d.c. since late last month to the deaths of george floyd, the killings of george floyd and breonna taylor. this is all part and parcel of that same effort. and i'm hearing that same spirit purveyed the start of this march again here today, expected to get really going here in the

next half hour, 45 minutes or so. katy? >> garrett haake in d.c. garrett, thank you very much. and chuck, back to you. well, as we mentioned, juneteenth marches, rallies and demonstrations are under way across the country in places like atlanta, thork, washington, d.c., l.a., chicago and detroit to name a few. commemorations are also under way in tulsa, oklahoma. the city is also honoring the hundreds of black lives lost in the black wall street race massacre of 1921. meanwhile, supporters of president trump continue to line up just a few miles away for what's expected to be a massive campaign rally tomorrow. morgan radford is in tulsa, oklahoma for us in the greenwood district, the site of that 1921 massacre. and morgan, it's my understanding there is calls for a curfew tonight? >> you know, chuck, there is a lot happening. because there's a lot happening at once with the president's visit as you just mentioned. and right now we're standing here in greenwood, which is a historically black district of

tulsa, oklahoma. and today juneteenth it's about joy, it's about celebration, it's about fellowship, and you can see the people behind me to support this area and to support black businesses. but of course this joy is tempered for many people by the president's visit. a lot of black residents, a lost black business owners feel like the president's timing couldn't be worse. some of them essentially describing it as a slap in the face, especially given the history of that tulsa race massacre that happened back in 1920 around this time, chuck. so i want to introduce you right now to mr. cleo harris jr. he is a business owner here in the greenwood district. mr. harris, explain to us how do you feel about the president's visit? how do you feel about the timing? and what message do you receive? >> well, first, again, as you stated, it's a slap in the face to the black community, the history of what happened back in 1921, the race massacre. here you're on holy ground. a lot of people died.

men, women, children burned. white mobs. st. clair oil dropped bombs on businesses, on homes, churches. and for the president or his staff or whoever to plan or schedule a rally on a day that we celebrate freedom and being the 99th year of the race massacre, it's a disgrace. it's beyond bitter. it's hurtful. and a lot of the businesses are very disappointed in his decision-making to have a rally right here in tulsa, oklahoma which a lot of people don't know that there is -- i mean, let's call it what it is. this is a racist state. and we dealt with that. i'm from here. i was raised on greenwood.

i first heard about the massacre when i was 9 1/2 years old. >> reporter: do you still feel like there's a race problem today? >> oh, yeah. it's big-time. a lot of things down here in tulsa, oklahoma is whitewashed. we don't get the fair treatment. it's a lot of red-lining down here. i mean, look at what we have left of black wall street. this was greenwood historic district. and so incidents -- this highway here was deliberately put here to divide the community, to push the black community out of greenwood. >> reporter: and mr. harris, that's kind of what you're hearing, chuck, what mr. harris is explaining is the pain and really the sense of frustration a lot of black residents are feeling here. >> yes. >> reporter: especially ahead of the president's rally when many are saying he hasn't done enough to protect the black lives here as they exist every single day. >> and let me add this. let me add this. you want the black vote, but you don't want to accept us as, you

know, the black race. >> reporter: so there you have it. mr. harris can explain this feeling even better than i can, chuck. >> absolutely. morgan radford in tulsa. thank you. and katy-i think we're going to stay in tulsa, but back to you. >> we are going to stay in tulsa. we're going to go to reverend robert turner of the historic vernon a.m.e. church. reverend, thank you for being with us. i'd just like you to respond to what you were hearing from mr. harris there, that was with morgan radford. he said it was a slap in the face to have the president hold a campaign rally in that city a day after the anniversary of the tulsa massacre. what is your take on it? >> i'm totally disgusted with what the president has done. i agree with mr. harris. and in addition to what he is doing to tulsa, as we try to celebrate juneteenth, just look at what he's doing to the

country. we right now, people across this great beautiful nation of ours, are protesting in the street, calling for change in policy, calling for action from washington, d.c. and what does our president want to focus on? his re-election. that is narcissism at its best. we do not need candidate trump. we need president trump to take some action. and never mind the fact that you're putting people's lives at risk. i mean, this is the most unpresidential act i've ever seen in my life from a sitting president of the united states of america. >> what about, reverend, the news that there's going to be the national guard there tomorrow, that there will be a curfew in place during the rally or after the rally? what do you make of that? >> i think that this president, the crowd that he attracts, he knows how abrasive they are. this crowd that he attracts are the same folks who protested the

shelter in place. i mean, they went with guns to county courthouses and harassed health care workers. so i hope that if he is calling the national guard in that he has them watch the crowd that's attending his rally. because we're going to be peaceful over here. >> reverend turner, there's going to be -- i think reverend sharpt sharpton's going to be leading a juneteenth commemoration today. and we now have this -- you have more senators calling for it to be a federal holiday. it certainly seems to me we need a holiday like this because a lot of people need a lot of education about juneteenth. a lot of people in president trump's orbit clearly didn't know a lot about tulsa's history, a lot about juneteenth. is that one of the better reasons to have a federal holiday for juneteenth? >> i think that not only should we have a holiday for juneteenth, it's about past time that we pay reparations to those

descendants of slaves who were liberated during that wonderful day of juneteenth 1865. so yes, i wholeheartedly agree with that. i pray about what the president's response will be because he has shown no sensitivity to african-american history. i mean, he still has refused to change the names of military bases in america named for confederate generals. i mean, these guys committed treason, and we are training our soldiers, who are supposed to uphold our constitution, in facilities named in honor of folks who rebelled against that constitution. >> reverend robert turner, it's a very logical argument. it's always amazing to me when logic doesn't seem to win the day. reverend turner, pastor of the historic vernon chapel a.m.e. church in tulsa, oklahoma, thanks for spending some time with us. >> thank you so much. and i love your show. >> thank you. katy, over to you. >> that's good to hear. and coming up, there is a

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with more. so katie, by waiving his right to appear just his lawyer will be standing in his place? >> reporter: actually, chuck, we thought his lawyer would be standing in his place. we were just in the courtroom a few minutes ago and the judge said that both of them will actually not be appearing. they both waived their rights to appear. basically, at the first appearance what would happen is the judge would essentially read the charges against rolfe out loud and gave him a copy of the complaint. it's really more of a procedural step but usually happens very quickly, in the next business day after someone's taken into custody. the judge did mention he's not in any position to grant bond because of the seriousness of the charges against rolfe. so there won't be any bond granted for him. he will remain in custody. he is in custody right now in gwinnett county because he was moved from fulton county after there were some security concerns. so we had expected perhaps to see one or both of them on video conference this morning. but no visuals on the attorneys or rolfe this morning for the

first appearance. >> katie beck in front of the fulton county courthouse. katie, thank you. katy tur. and chuck, today our atlanta affiliate wxia is learning more about former officer rolfe's disciplinary records. specifically a firearm discharge in 2015. joining us now is brendan keith, chief investigator at wxia 11 alive in atlanta. brendan, what did you learn? >> well, we learned this, katy, that the current investigation of garrett rolfe is his third for firearms and use of force in his seven-year career with the atlanta police department. and the department reprimanded rolfe in writing back in 2017 after a year-long internal affairs investigation for use of force involving his firearm. and then there's this 2015 incident. in 2015 rolfe and other atlanta police officers were accused of a cover-up by both the defendant and a judge for failing to mention they fired multiple shots into a stolen truck,

hitting the driver. rolfe fired three shots into the vehicle according to fulton county court records. two other officers fired one shot each. and jackie harris, the defendant, the suspect, was hit in the center of his back. the police incident report was full of details including a minor injury to an officer's finger but made no mention of the shots fired or that the suspect was hit. judge doris downs said from the bench, "none of the police put in the report that they shot the man, none of them. and they sent him to grady hospital with collapsed lungs and everything and the report doesn't mention it." she said, "i am going to have to turn them in." ethically you're required to do that. now, the summary of the disciplinary report that we got from atlanta police for that internal investigation is blank. it doesn't say what the disposition is for that particular investigation. we're waiting for the details of all of this. georgia's one of only a dozen states where we can actually get full investigative records from internal affairs investigations. 23 states keep them secret. not georgia.

but the atlanta police say we're not going to get those till july 3rd, the friday before a holiday weekend. >> i'd be very curious to find out what the reasoning was to keep him on the streets still after something like that. brendan keith with wxia in atlanta. brendan, thank you very much for bringing that to us. chuck? up next the tulsa arena where president trump is holding tomorrow's rally continues to ask his campaign for a detailed health and safety plan. does that mean this thing's still up in the air? this as the oklahoma supreme court is considering whether to delay the rally altogether. volkswagen today.

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at least 20 it's a have seen a rise in coronavirus cases this week. here are the facts as we know them at this hour. 2.2 million americans have now contracted the coronavirus. there have been 119,000 deaths from the virus in the united states. we're seeing a spike across the country here. there's a spike in cases. it's not slowed in -- even though it's not been slowed, has not slowed florida's reopening. they have 3,800, over 3,800 cases today alone. and a new study shows this surge "has all the makings of the next large epicenter." scientists from the children's hospital in philadelphia and the university of pennsylvania are warning things could be even worse in florida than their projections show. the world health organization warns that the virus is ak sell raitting worldwide. 150,000 new cases were reported to the w.h.o. yesterday.

it is the most in a single day so far on this globe. and guess what. almost half of those new cases are coming from one hemisphere. ours. the western hemisphere. and 450 amc theaters are reopening around the u.s. but ceo adam aaron says he won't require moviegoers to avoid masks to avoid being, quote, drawn into a political controversy. aaron says he will wear a mask when he goes to the theaters, leading by example. so katie, he picks one side of a political argument and then claims he doesn't want to get involved in a political -- not accepting the scientific recommendation to me is taking -- is taking a step into politics, not away from it. but an interesting decision there by the ceo of amc. >> wearing a mask is not political. it is common sense. it is recommended by health officials and the cdc. anyway, coronavirus cases continue to surge, chuck in

oklahoma ahead of president trump's planned rally tomorrow, which is expected to attract a crowd of up to 100,000 people near tulsa's bank of oklahoma center. the arena itself can seat 19,000. the venue requested information from the trump campaign asking for its health and safety plans. the campaign said it will have temperature checks and offer masks at the event. meanwhile, the oklahoma supreme court is considering a lawsuit to delay the rally entirely because of concerns about a potential large-scale coronavirus outbreak. earlier oklahoma governor stitt defended the rally. >> my response to those folks, the naysayers, is when is the right time? the coronavirus is in the united states. it's in oklahoma. we have to take precautions. but we have the freedoms to stay at home. you have the freedoms to come to this rally. >> joining us now from the bank of oklahoma center in tulsa is

nbc's morgan chesky. morgan, what are you hear from folks out there? anyone concerned about signing a waiver to get into that rally? are they going to wear masks? does anybody fear their safety whatsoever? >> reporter: katy, it absolutely depends who you asked in this crowd, some of whom have been camping out for days on end in order to see the president for his first rally back in three months. some people will be wearing a mask inside. others will not be. however, the campaign assures me they will be handing those masks out to everyone who walks in. and joining me now is one of the many who are awaiting that big rally. blake mornell. you flew in from san diego to be here today. >> yes. >> reporter: we're talking about the precautions with covid-19. i'll ask you right now, blake, will you be wearing a mask come tomorrow night? >> when i get inside i'll assess the situation and where i'm standing and how close people are in proximity are and i'll make my choice then. >> reporter: obviously with the new numbers coming out here in

the tulsa area we have 450 new cases statewide. 120 of those here in tulsa county. does that give you pause seeing this many people converge on the city? >> well, since the pandemic started i've been in a business where i've been public facing, i've been working continuously since then. so i've been assessing the rhys, factors personally. there's more data than we had in february. so yes, i take that into account. but i think it's important that everybody have a chance to decide for themselves whether or not it's worth the risk. for people who are elderly or maybe have some other complications probably not the right place for them today. >> reporter: and i'd be remiss if i didn't ask what message you're sending here with the suit choice here. kind of speaks for itself. >> yeah. it's a brick wall suit. and it signifies my support for strong border barriers, which support for two main reasons and that's interdicting illegal narcotics entering our country

and reducing human trafficking across our southern border. and that's really why i support the border wall. it's not going to be completely effective in stopping any of those, but it will be partially effective in reducing it and that alone is worth it for me. >> reporter: all right. blake mornell from san diego. blake just one of the 100,000 people expected to descend on tulsa this weekend. those numbers only rising throughout the day. we'll be keeping a close eye. we'll send it back to you. >> morgan chesky in tulsa. morgan, thank you very much. chuck, i've been talking to some trump allies asking them if they would go to this rally, if they would if they'd wear a mask. and a number of them say there's no way they would go. they were worried for their safety, worried for the safety of their families, they would not put themselves in that position. some at least. >> look, i think katy, if you live in the new york or d.c. areas over the last three months, right? and a lot of the trump allies, there are many trump allies that you and i speak to that are locate on the east coast, i think that doesn't surprise me. i do think where you live, what

your personal experience has been with the virus is going to have an impact on you. i understand if right now in the middle of the country in some parts where they didn't see firsthand maybe they're a bit more nonchalant about it, shall we say. all right. let's move forward. facebook announced that it has removed 88 ads posted on its site by the trump campaign. president trump and the vice president. all of these ads targeted antifa and featured an upside down red triangle. it was a symbol used by the nazi party during world war ii to identify political dissidents in concentration camps. the communication director for the trump campaign said that antifa had used the inverted red triangle symbol and that facebook has an emoji of it. however, that symbol is not commonly associated with antifa, which usually features a red and black flag or three arrows. katy, it is amazing how often some trump-related social media

feed seems to dabble in some of that. i buy that some of the folks on the campaign don't know what that symbolism is, but my guess is they're taking it from reddit and some other place that's make these memes and those people do know what they're doing. >> well, let's go back to 2016, and let's look at another instance of this. we'll put it up on the screen. this was an image used of hillary clinton over a pile of cash with "most corrupt candidate ever" in a star of david. so this was another instance where they were accused of using anti-semitic imagely. this was after the president had retweeted white supremacists, one of whom said he lived in jewmerica. this isn't the first time. and you'd think a campaign that had been accused of this in the past would be hypervigilant going forward. i guess not. okay. coming up next, we are live in brooklyn, where a large crowd is gathering for a juneteenth

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the freedom of african-americans from slavery. right now the crowd that you see behind me is hundreds of bikers. they call themselves -- they're about to go on what they call a freedom ride. maybe it's a little take from the 1960s and the freedom rides that went through the south all about promoting civil rights. but that's what they want to do here in essence as well, promote civil rights and also rights for black people. the thing about the celebration that's been very interesting to me is as they are celebrating history they are making history in fact. so many people have told me that they also did not know about juneteenth. and so this is an awakening for them as well. crowds gathered here in brooklyn at this location at brooklyn museum. an important thing to remember is tuesday is primary day here in new york and just on the bottom floor of the brooklyn museum is a voting place and people are doing early voting today. organizers here have been telling people it is not enough just to celebrate, it is not enough just to protest. you also have to vote for change if that's what you're looking

for. chuck? >> very interesting. mixing in a little primary politics in there. i'm sure some candidates themselves are also probably walking around there as well. rehema ellis in brooklyn. thank you. katy, over to you. and up next, chuck, our temperature checks and the option to wear a mask an effective way to keep the tens of thousands who will be gathering for tomorrow's trump campaign rally safe? we're going to pose that question and many more to our medical expert right after this quick break. you're watching msnbc. chicago! "ok, so, magnificent mile for me!" i thought i was managing...

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moments ago white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany said she will not be wearing a mask at tomorrow's rally in tulsa. others will be wearing some. we heard from other trump administration officials saying that. meanwhile, amc theaters has said within the last few minutes that it is now reversing course and will require that customers wear face masks when reopening its theaters next month. considering that many theatergoers are over the age of

60, you would think that that's probably the right call. meanwhile, there are spikes of coronavirus cases in some states that began reopening earlier than others. florida saw another record number of cases today with nearly 4,000 infections, bringing the state total to tot. in texas where daily cases hit record highs twice this week, today's numbers are not much better with 3400 new cases infections. arizona, 3200 new cases reported. in total, 26 states, puerto rico as well, are seeing an increase in cases over the last two weeks. of those 21, considered a spike. we had 27,000 new cases yesterday. you know, we had been getting to 20,000 but pushing it down and trying to get below 20,000, and now we're getting close to where we were when new york was an epicenter. >> yeah. and new york is no longer an epicenter because new york shut down. new yorkers stayed inside. new yorkers were locked down. and when they go outside, they

practice social distancing. for the most part. and they're wearing masks. let's bring in dr. michael osterho osterholm, director for disease research and policy at the university of minnesota. good to have you. i know we have had long conversations about mask wearing and the research on masks is not definitive. when you are holding a rally inside with 19,000 people, is it -- is it safe if at the very least people are all masked inside? is it more safe, is it less safe? what can we say? >> well, first of all, let me just start out by saying anyone who wants to go to a large indoor rally right now, i think they have to think twice. if i had the chance tonight to go see the four original beatles live in an indoor rally of that size, i wouldn't want my loved ones or me to be there. so i think that's the first thing. that's the thing we must emphasize, distance, distance. if you're going to be there, we

don't know how well masks actually protect you, but i think we've gotten to a point where it's become such a divisive political issue. and it shouldn't be. it just shouldn't be. so i would say if you're going to go to it, at least wear a mask. >> "the washington post" did a study sort of comparing europe and the united states. our original spikes were basically within a week of each other. it's a very disturbing graph because literally, we went up together, they went down. and we haven't. and one of the observers in there just looked at and it wondered, has america given up? essentially, are we -- is this endemic now? >> well, we don't know what this virus is going to do. if there's something we need to do right now, it's be very humble, and you led the program with this. if you look at the 50 states and the district of columbia right

now, 20 states are seeing cases increase, 10 are level, and 21 decreasing. why is that happening? even to the extent that we're all focused on numbers in the states that opened early, there are complex epidemiologies of what's happening. in some cases it does involve, for example, certain workers in congregant areas and so forth. it's not just straightforward, it's in the whole population. what you're highlighting is, yes, we're going to be living with this virus for many, many more months to come. as i have said to you on multiple occasions, we're at 5% to 7% of the population having been infected to date. we're going to have to get to 60% or 70% before we see the virus slow down its transmission. i don't think we have given up. i think actually america will have another awakening when we see many of our loved ones themselves become infected and dying. but i am afraid we're going to have to pay that price before we

get america to understand what we're up against. >> i have heard both governor desantis and kevin hassett, an economist out of the white house, both sort of rationalize the current spike by saying this, dr. osterholm, you have younger people going out more because they realize that even if they get the virus, they won't die. so that is -- that explains the good news in the current spike is it's of younger folks. i guess that's one way of saying there's condensation in the water glass, but i guess we'll find out in the death numbers in three weeks if that is truly the case. >> and again, another critical point. we have said all along, the only way we can stop the virus from being transmitted in our society is go into a lockdown. we know that, you know, if you do what they did in wuhan, china, for 18 weeks and shut down everything, you can actually really slow this virus transmission down. we also know not just what that

would do to our economy, but what it would do to society in general. on the other hand, we just can't have willy-nilly transmission. we will have many people die from this, and so our real challenge is how do you thread that rope through the needle in the middle? how do you in fact if younger populations become infected and they're not dying, they're not being hospitalized, then that's helpful. the problem we have had in the last two weeks, we have seen in a number of areas where some of the worst cases are in people under age 50 and oftentimes one of the risk factors they have is being a person with obesity. that's 45% of our adult population in this country. that's not just a few. i don't think we have any plan at all to really understand how we're going to get from here to hopefully one day having a vaccine. and that's what scares me more than anything. we're not even talking about such a plan. >> dr. osterholm, what are you going to do? how are you going about your daily life until we have a vaccine or a successful

therapeutic? >> well, let me put it very bluntly. i'm still on the same tank of gas i had in march in my car. okay. so that tells you how i'm not moving around. okay. i think the second thing it says is i'm struggling too. you know, i want so padly to see my grandkids this father's day. i have young ones under age 5 who don't get distancing and they want to wrestle with their grand grandpa, and i'm saying no, we have to figure this out, we can't do that. it's incredibly painful for me. it really emotionally is painful. so we're all struggling with this issue, how to best do this, but i do know that, again, we're going to see most of us become infected with this virus over time. if we don't try to do what we can to distance ourselves. that's really the challenge we have, katy, how are we all going to do that personally and professionally. >> yeah, and i know my son really misses his grandparents as well. i certainly miss them. dr. michael osterholm, thank you

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good afternoon. i'm chuck todd. it's still morning out west, but it is 2:00 p.m. in the east. we begin with news out of louisville where one of the officers involved in the shooting of brianna tyler will be fired. it police chief has started terminate proceedings for the officer. the decision comes more than three months after the no-knock raid. basically to the wrong apartment, ended up ending taylor's life. >> also, the department of justice is in court in what is a

last-ditch attempt to stop the distribution of former national security adviser john bolton's new book. but bolton's lawyer says that more than 200,000 copies have already been shipped or printed around the world. i can vouch for that here. i have one, actually, we have two copies now in this household. and with the president's tulsa rally set for tomorrow, he has issued a warning to those who do not support his re-election. this as a spokesperson for the facility hosting the rally says it asked the trump campaign for a written plan on its safety measures for the event. it is still waiting for the written plan. >> and last hour during the white house briefing, kayleigh mcenany has was asked if the campaign had any reservations with going forward with the rally. >> behind the scenes are there any white house officials, you know, just expressing a bit of reservation about going forward 24 hours out. >> so we're all onboard with going to oklahoma. we're taking appropriate measures like hand sanitizing and temperature checks and masks being provided at the door.

and from coast to coast, americans are celebrating june te juneteen juneteenth, which are expected to be the biggest celebrations in recent history. juneteenth which dates back to 1865, marks the end of slavery in the united states. we have got reporters in the field covering these events. msnbc host yasmin vossoughian is in new york, where andrew cuomo signed an order recognizing juneteenth as a paid holiday, and jacob ward sin oakland, california, where attendees tell us this year's celebrations carry a special meaning. jacob, i want to start with you. what are you hearing out there in oakland? >> you know, this holiday has extraordinary meaning, especially with the folks that we are talking to today. this is a port shutdown. a peaceful and planned shutdown of one of the largest ports in the t ilw local 10

which runs this, its members ar sight behind me. and now, a huge crowd. i'm thinking perhaps 3,000 people, are now gathered at the entrance to the port where the work would normally be going. every imaginable form of goods is imported and exported through this place. and so as a result, you can imagine that the symbolism of a holiday that celebrates the emancipation of black people is extremely important to a traditionally very black local 10, the history of antiracist action here is very strong. these people refused to load the boats that were headed for peen o'sheas chile in the '70s. they refused to load the boat for africa. 90% refused to show up for work on the day donald trump was elected. they have strong feelings. the feeling here is the sense that being free to work, band together, make a living wage, those rules are incredibly

important to this longshoremen warehouse union. >> wow, jacob, jake ward, thank you very much. yazman, you're in brooklyn. the have been marches, rallies, demstraz onstrations here now i brooklyn for weeks. talk to me about the crowd you're seeing today and are they the same people we have seen on the streets every day or a lot during the last few weeks or is this a new group? >> i mean, it's the same people, katy. you were out here, you know well, thousands of folks out here. we just got here 30 minutes or so ago. i am not kidding, maybe there were 30 or so folksute there, but in the time we have been here, miguel, let's swing around this way. this crowd has grown substantially. this is actually a group called united ny 2020. they're going to start here, katy, and they're going to march over the brooklyn bridge to city hall, and guess where they're

going? all the way up to central park to the great lawn where we'll have another set of speakers for the entire event for the rest of the day. think about the distance of that. i think it's about a five-mile stretch or so, but it's a bittersweet moment for a lot of individuals here, as i have been speaking with folks when i arrived, in that while it represents the freedom of so many black men and women that gained that freedom some 200-plus years ago, it's also on the heels of the killing of george floyd, of rayshard, of breonna, and i have two folks i want to talk to and bring into the conversation. thank you guys for joining me today. and thanks for coming out. appreciate it. let's talk about what this means to you today. why is juneteenth this year so different than other years? >> i mean, if you look around. there's so many people who last year didn't know what juneteenth was. you know, so if we're looking around and seeing the unity and seeing everyone standing up and saying cliche, like enough is enough, and understanding that we're trying to eliminate or dismantle not a broken system.

i strongly believe the system has been working exactly how it's supposed to. it's the way it's been designed. people are here understanding systemic racism. people are here understanding implicit bias and want to change it and be part of enforcing the change we need. >> a lot of the feeling i have been hearing is are we really here again? do we have to deal with this again? why have we not made enough changes by now? are you hopeful this time around? do you think it's different this time around? >> i'm hoar phoneful than i have been previously, because again, this has been on repeat, and it has been every year, every month, every season another one of these. i'm more hopeful because i think people are understanding the history that occurs on days like this, on situations like this, where people are able to look back on themselves and what they have done to help set the system up. and pay attention to the important days like juneteenth, like martin luther king day, like the days we have celebrated but haven't been widely acknowledged and celebrated and the history understood. >> what about the changes that

need to be made? the policy changes. we have seen changes on the local level. there are changes on the federal level, with regards to police brutality in new york, we have seen significant changes by the new york city council, but what about addressing systemic racism that permeates every part of our society and every social system the. >> it's a part of everything. part of the infrastructure that's been designed. we're talking about -- on the large scale, if you look at us going to work, disrupting whiteness, disrupting, walking into a space that's predominantly white and not addressing that that's an issue, mobilization is key. so whether political, whether it's local grounds like we have to be a part of doing that in every encounter possible. >> and both of these guys -- thank you, guys, by the way. and i think overall, katy, and what have been hearing, they're going to keep coming out every single day. he's nodding his head as i say

that, because they want to see changed made. so long as they're in the streets, the changes will come. and they're hopeful this time around, which is good news on a holiday like today, katy. >> thank you. and chuck, she makes a good point. you and i have covered a lot of moments in this country that feels like inflection points, but the sustained energy we're seeing with these protests is unlike anything that i have ever seen in my time covering news events both here and abroad. >> it is. and you know, it is one of those that i was not alive in 1968. you talk to folks about what the '60s were like and the feeling. and one of the things, though. in the moment, people weren't sure if it meant anything, either, for what it's worth. i think sometimes we truly won't fully be able to know how important or big this moment was. we'll know in about five years. right? whether this moment led to something meaningful, as those two gentlemen were telling

yasmin there. that one gentleman, i think this is different, but you could hear the nervousness in him going, boy, i hope -- it felt like he was saying i hope this is different. and it's better to have hope on this front. but it does feel as if we're turning perhaps a page and going to a new chapter in america. but we'll see. president trump appeared to threaten protesters today ahead of his rally in tulsa tomorrow. quote, here's what he wrote, any protesters, anarchists, looters, or low lives going to bam, please understand, you will not be treated like you were in new york city or minneapolis. it will be a much different scene. last hour, kayleigh mcenany said the president was referring only to violent protesters despite the language in the tweet. appearing on his son's web show last night, he said there would be chaos if the democrats win. >> there will be tremendous bedlam all over the place. there won't be law and order.

you'll have a seattle, you'll have a minneapolis like you have never seen before. the whole country will be minneapolis. >> joining us now, nbc news senior digital correspondent, shannon pettypiece. shannon, talk about going back to law and order imagery of sort of what i grew up with in the '70s and '80s. that statement there felt very much like a throwback of politics that i thought were 50 years gone. >> yeah, i mean, this law and order candidate and the democrats being the soft on crime party, i mean, it's a tactic that politicians have used for decades. sort of been this recurring theme. but you're right. when we haven't really heard of in recent years, but certainly, even before this, this has been a theme of the president's, going back to 2016. that's when i talked to white house aides and advisers, particularly over the past few weeks. they see this tough on crime,

law and order president, as a message that worked for him in 2016 on immigration, on ms-13. you remember him talking about the police roughing up people as they were being arrested. something that worked for him in 2016, and falling back and seizing that again. they're falling back on a lot of the 2016 tactics. particularly as they see themselves in a similar position as they were in 2016, where they're far behind in the polls and demographic groups and states that were supposed to be safe aren't anymore. the counter to this is painting democrats as soft on rhyme. aides and advisers have been enthusiastic about trying to seize on the defund the police movement and link that to joe biden, who has said he doesn't support it, but factions in the democratic party do, and try to tie that to biden to present this dystopian view of the world under a biden presidency of lawlessness and crime and, you know, disorder in our country if biden were to be elected. that the tactic here.

>> right. i mean, we'll see. it's just interesting in that there hasn't been a lot of evidence that it's going to work in the way it has in the past, but we'll find out. shannon pettypiece, thank you. >> and katy, we should remember again, that comment came from an interview between donald trump, sr. and junior for his web show. >> yeah. he's not sitting down for any major interviews with the networks any longer that are not friendly to him, at least, and now he's just confining himself, it seems, to his son. it reminded me of the convention speech that he gave in 2016, also his american carnage speech that he gave on inauguration day. a lot of doom and gloom. with a number of polls trending in the wrong direction for the trump campaign, the president is stepping up his attacks on mail-in voting, also something similar to what he did in 2016, calling it the biggest threat to his re-election. in an interview with politico, president trump said his campaign's efforts to block democrats from changing voting

rules could determine whether he wins a second term. joining me now is the president and ceo of the naacp, derrick johnson, also principle black futures lab and black lives matter cofounder, elysia garza. welcome, both of you. derrick, i want to start with you. the president is going after mail-in voting. he's going, in 2016, he went after voters in philadelphia, and he told people to watch polling places in philadelphia. what's the message you're getting from the president? >> well, this president is trying to loot our democracy. he has agitated most of us in this country. that's why people are in the streets. as naacp, as all of our organizations, we have to be even more watchful to insure he is not allowed to try to steal this election. our democracy is at stake.

he is a problem, let's be clear. when you look at the protesters in the street, it looks like america. it's white, black, young, old, and they're all saying the same mantra, black lives matter. a mantra that the three women, one of whom is on the show now, who started several years ago to bring attention to the fact that we are citizens. we should be respected, and equal protection under the law should also be afforded to the african-americans across this nation. >> very quick, since we're bringing up the mail-in voting, one of the things i think people aren't familiar with but you at the naacp are very familiar with. this will be the first presidential election that the republican national committee will not be under a consent decree. which of course, had been sharply limiting the rnc's ability to challenge voter qualifications and target what they believe is fraud. what does that mean, and how is the naacp preparing for what i

think is going to be a slew of poll watchers this year in ways we have not seen in decades? >> well, we are in the midst of launching the campaign to also recruit poll watchers. this level of intimidation is something i'm very familiar with living in mississippi. it is unconscionable that the justice department would not be positioned to provide the necessary support, and unfortunately, our state governors will be aligned with this tactic. it's not an approach we should be looking at in this moment. so now, we must count on the many protesters across the country to now march to the polls in november to insure that all citizens are able to cast a ballot. from protest to power, from power to policy. that's where we need to go in this country, and what this president represents is a myopic view of what this country should

be and a very racist posture. that's why we're fighting against facebook to remove the racist ads off their platform because that's the type of culture this president is trying to fan. and we must fight against it, not only as naacpl of us if we want a stable economy, if we want a true democracy, if we want to respect the lives of african-americans and everyone else in this country. >> let's stay on voting for a second. what is black lives matter movement doing to motivate people to go to the polls in november? >> well, i think one of the things you have seen over the last couple of weeks is that the uprisings in this country have actually mobilized the amount of power that we have needed to have congress go back to work. and to start legislating again. and so one of the things that i know our organization is doing at the black to the future action fund is working on a few things to try to strengthen our ability to participate in this

upcoming election cycle. we know that congress is considering a heroes bill, which is essentially trying to look at a range of changes to help make communities powerful in this moment of a global pandemic and economic crisis. and a crisis in our democracy. but it has to be strengthened, particularly if black communities are to be powerful in this upcoming election season. so that's why we have been pushing for congress to strengthen the vote by mail provisions, to insure that every single american, but in particular, black americans who are systematically disenfranchised from our ability to participate in the decisions that impact our lives, we want to make sure that every american is able to vote by mail. we want to expand same-day voter registration and make sure that anybody who wants to weigh in on the decisions that are impacting our lives are able to do so. and then finally, we need to make sure that we understand

across the board that the reason that this president is so scared of mail-in voting, the reason this president is attacking the u.s. postal service, the reason that this president is attacking protesters is because we are shifting not only culture in this country but also policy. and that has to be taken very seriously. i agree with brother derrick here that our democracy is in crisis. and it's at stake, but we have an opportunity to change that before it's too late. so we need congress to go ahead and strengthen the heroes act. >> let's talk about who is going to be on the ballot in november. we know it's donald trump and mike pence. we also know it's joe biden and somebody else. last night, on lawrence o'donnell, amy klobuchar took herself out of the running saying that she thought it should be a black woman as the second person on that ticket, as the vice presidential pick. what do you make of that, and who do you want to see as vice

president under joe biden if he were to win? >> well, let's be clear. again, this movement has had incredible impact on the political landscape in this country. i was one of seven women who represent millions more who actually called on joe biden to not be considering amy klobuchar as a vice presidential pick. and you know, while it's important that she, you know, said that she thinks that a woman of color and specifically a black woman should be the vice presidential pick, we should just be reminded that there was pressure that was placed in order to make this campaign understand that black communities will not stand for being disenfranchised or sidelined in this election, and that decision is a result of power and not one's own initiative. i do want to also make sure that we're clear that everything is at stake in this election cycle. and we need to make sure that

all candidates are able to clearly articulate what they will do to meet the moment and provide leadership where this president and his administration has left an entirely too huge gap. this president is not fit to lead this country. that's a fact. but the other thing that we need to make sure of is that the people who want to lead this country are very clear about what it is that our communities want and need to drive that forward. that's why we developed the black agenda for 2020, where we talk to tens of thousands of black people across the country who represent millions more. and dug into what are the things that our communities want to see so that we can live full and dignified lives. all of these campaigns need to adopt that agenda as their platform to demonstrate to black voters that we do matter in this election cycle so that we can all be powerful together and change the trajectory this country is headed on. >> derrick johnson and alicia

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coronavirus cases are not subsiding across the country. here are the facts as we know them this hour. nearly 2.2 million americans have contracted the virus since the start of the pandemic. 119,000 people have died. we had over 27,000 new cases just yesterday around the country. florida is showing no signs of slowing down its reopening even with another 3800 new covid-19 cases reported just today. meanwhile, the governor of california is now ordering everyone to wear a mask, both indoors and outdoors, when social distancing is not possible. the state had more than 4,000 new cases reported yesterday. and in ohio, republican governor mike dewine is deploying national guard troops to help with rising cases in his state. >> we have a spike that we're

worried about in about five counties in southwest ohio, sot cincinnati area. we'll bring in the guard to assist as far as actually swabbing and getting more testing. >> oklahoma is also seeing a spike, as case numbers continue to rise across that state as well. and of course, that matters a lot given what's coming this weekend, katy. >> absolutely. tulsa is preparing for president trump's campaign rally tomorrow. and many in the city's greenwood district are not exactly encouraged by his visit. local officials expect up to 100,000 people to attend the event, which was originally scheduled for today. it was rescheduled after a backlash over holding a political rally on juneteenth. joining us now from tulsa is nbc's cal perry. so cal, you had spent a lot of time talking to those lined up for the trump rally.

now you're in greenwood talking to folks out there. are you getting any reaction to specifically the president saying that he made juneteenth famous because nobody knew about it before he started talking about it? >> yeah, the people we have spoken to here are angry, and they're angry for a variety of reasons. there's really pour stories. we'll show you the grounds starting to fill up. four stories now that are converging here on the city of tulsa. the juneteenth commemorations, the continued protests about police violence and black lives matters tshirts out here in force. you have the commemoration of the race riot that occurred 99 years ago in just a few weeks. people still talking here about how this city has changed. about how this used to be an economically vibrant black area under segregation when whites came into this town and massacred the people who lived in this area. and since then, this area has been dilapidated. it has through the government

policies you see a result where you have two times the unemployment here in this section of town as you do on the other section of town. the systematic racism that has occurred in this city and cities around america, which is now culminating in these protests around the country. all of that to the backdrop of the fourth story, which is, of course, the president of the united states now coming here tomorrow for his rally. the question that that raises, will there be protests? will the groups here meet the groups outside the center? that's the question everybody's mind here. for now, we'll see speeches, people registering to vote, that kind of thing, katy. >> people registering to vote. cal perry, thank you very much. chuck. the centers for disease control and prevention are updating their covid-19 forecast. it predicts that deaths in the u.s. will total between 129,000 and 145,000 by july 11th. my next guest says we could see as many as 200,000 deaths by the fall. let me bring in the doctor, director of the harvard global health institute.

that cdc projection is not exactly a brave and bold projection, sadly. they have been very -- they have been very careful with their projections, almost meager with them, doctor. i mean, how have you felt -- is the relationship with the cdc and public health experts gotten any better in the last month? >> you know, chuck, i think most public health experts understand that the cdc scientists are still there. they're still doing great work. and they're trying their best. but obviously, they have to run all this stuff by the white house. and their ability to communicate effectively and directly with the american people is limited. and that's why they put out meager things like projecting where we will be in two weeks. that's fine. that's helpful. but it is not nearly enough. >> so we're still a long way off from a vaccine.

what should states, local leaders, federal government be doing in order to insure that americans can be as safe as they possibly can while trying to live with this virus as we wait for a vaccine? >> yeah, so that's the key issue here. we have even at the most sort of optimistic scenarios, we have about another year to go before a vaccine is safe and effective and widely available. so we need a plan for how to get through the next year. and what we need to be doing is all of the stuff that we know so far, the wearing of masks, the maintaining social distancing, not having large gatherings indoors, as is about to happen this weekend. and then the testing and tracing. if we can do all of that, we can get through the next year without a lot of loss of life. but i just feel like we haven't focused on how to get through it. >> you just wrote an op-ed about the difference between, you're saying the demonstrations we saw

are safer than people might think with the virus. explain. >> so people look the black lives matter demonstrations, and they talk about the rally that president trump is holding. and people try to equate them. and then when public health officials like me push back and say they're not the same, they say, well, you're bringing palmticinize to this. i want to be very clear i'm not. whatever my personal political views, the bottom line is being outside is safer than being inside. wearing masks is safer than not wearing masks. and crowds that move along over time better than crowds that are stationary over time. so the rallies really are dangerous, and if joe biden were holding those rallies, i would say those are dangerous as well. whereas the data so far suggests the protests have not caused a big spike. now, it's early, but so far, the data on protests have not shown a big spike in cases. >> doctor, always glad to have your expertise on this with us

today. thank you, sir. katy, over to you. certainly anecdotal, but i spent hours with those crowds, and i got a test for covid, and i came back negative, wearing a mask. everybody outside was wearing a mask also. most everyone, ate least. >> next up, we'll speak to the eldest son of a civil rights icon, martin luther king jr., about today's juneteenth celebrations and what his father would think about this moment in american history. you're watching msnbc. i have moderate to severe pnow, there's skyrizi.

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the louisville metro police department is firing one of the three police officers involved in breonna taylor's death. a termination was issued today. the louisville police chief wrote that he displayed an extreme indifference to the value of human life when he fired ten times during the execution of a no-knock warrants. taylor was shot eight times while she slept. this is the first significant action taken in the case after

widespread protests, and remember, she died before george floyd. this was a couple months ago that this took place. demonstrators want to see charges brought against the officers involved. the other two officers involved in the shooting have been placed on administration reassignment. katy, to me it goes beyond there. there's a whole chain of command. throughout this whole process, and i get that may be complicated the attempt to find charges, but it seems as if not just those officers. there was a lot of errors made along the way in that decision. >> every time we say that she was shot eight times while she slept, it's a punch in the gut. it's worse than that, just awful. awful to think that could happen to anybody. yeah. it's terrible. senator amy klobuchar, chuck, took her name off the list of possible joe biden running mates. she also says that she thinks joe biden should pick a woman of color for the job. she said it last night on

lawrence on msnbc. >> america must seize on this moment. and i truly believe as i actually told the vice president last night when i called him, that i think this is a moment to put a woman of color on that ticket. >> klobuchar, a senator from minnesota, was once seen as a possible front-runner, but she's recently drawn criticism over his prior record as a prosecutor in the minneapolis area, where george floyd was killed. other high profile women of color who have emerged as contenders include kamala harris, val demings, and keisha lance bottoms. biden has said he wants to make his choice before august 1st. joining us now is human and several rights advocate and the eldest son of martin luther king jr., martin luther king iii. thank you very much for joining us. i want to talk about juneteenth, but first, i want to get your

thoughts on who joe biden should pick. do you think it should be a black woman? >> i certainly think that a black woman could help the ticket at this point. because of all that is going on. and in our nation right now. so absolutely. i think that could be helpful to his ticket in terms of turning out not just the black vote, but i think the vote universally. and very clearly, all of the individuals who he's looking at are very capable. >> mr. king, i'm curious what your father would be thinking. it feels like over the last couple of months, a lot of black history that got erased by white america is being surfaced and america's getting a lesson, whether it's americans learning the significance of juneteenth, americans learning some darker days, ax handle saturday in

jacksonville, the race riots in tulsa. i'm curious, what do you think your father would make of this moment of this reckoning that's taking place in america right now? >> so i think my father would very clearly be engaged in the forefront of this movement, because this is an evolving movement. dad, of course, brought together a coalition to create the leadership changes that also focused on policy. but he would also remind us, which is why this is so important, of people who do not remember their history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past. and so the fact that this history is being exhibited, however painful and tragic and negative it is, it's history that everyone needs to know. and ultimately, we can become a better nation. a nation that we ought to be.

>> martin luther king iii. we're a little tight on time, but on this juneteenth, nice to have your voice a part of our programming today, sir. thank you. katy, over to you. let me second that. next up, in a week full of defeats, brand-new polling is not giving president trump much to be happy about. steve kornacki is going to lay out all of the most recent numbers for us. stay with us. you're watching msnbc. when you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more. so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one. for small prices, you can build big dreams. spend less, get way more. shop everything home at wayfair today. while the future of work

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with just 137 days until election day, there are more troubling signs for president trump as new polling shows him continuing to trail the presumptive democratic nominee, joe biden. here to help break down the latest numbers is national political correspondent steve kornacki at the big board. and steve, this has been a precipitous erosion when you look at it over a three or four month period. >> if we go back in time to the middle of the winter, middle of february, just as we were starting to hear about covid, take a look at how the biden/trump poll has moved. this is february 19th. we were starting to hear about it. there hadn't yet been any deaths here. the matchup, trump v. biden, was biden by 4.8 points on average over donald trump. let's look at the traject raw now month by month. a month later, this is march 19th, we're starting to get deaths.

it was 185 and starting to rise. this was also the month, by the way, when everything turned around for joe biden. suddenly, he won south carolina, won a bunch of primaries. those two things are happening here simultaneously, and biden goes from 4.8 to 6.4. there was a bump there in his advantage over trump. but interestingly, over the next couple months, show you this, to april 19th, that death count has gone over 40,000. the whole country is shut down now. it didn't really do a ton here to change the presidential race. 6.4, 5.8-point lead for biden. you go to may 19th, 92,000, again, the shutdowns continuing. there's biden actually down to 4.9 points over trump. and now you get to june 19th, today, you see where the death count is, but this is the month when the george floyd protest, the issue of racial justice, trump's leadership on race. these have become centerpiece issues and this is the month when you have really seen movement in the polling here. from that 4.8 to 6.4 range. this is the month when suddenly

it gets up in this average to nearly nine points for biden. is it just floyd, is it covid eventually sort of catching up with trump, is it the economy? come up with your own theory, but it is notable, as covid took hold, the presidential numbers weren't changing that much. this past month, they did. >> i guess what you're saying is suddenly, there's a spike in the curve if we're going to talk covid here a little bit. and a spike in biden's support. and how much of this is a spike in biden or a drop in trump? >> yeah, that's the interesting thing, because when you go back to this biden lead earlier, biden's been over 50% a couple times now in the average. he certainly is now. but i think right now, you are seeing a bit of that decline in trump, and one of the theories on this is you have seen this throughout the trump presidency. charlottesville was a very good example. in the trump campaign in 2016, the judge curiel comments. when he touches race and there's a big controversy there, it sees

some of their supporters back off. will they come back and tighten it up? that's a question here. >> right. steve kornacki, fascinating trend line watching there. thank you. katy, over to you. and experts say this year has a 50% chance of being the warmest year ever on record. climatologists at the national oceanic atmospheric administration say they're, quote, virtually certainly this year will rank in the top five out of 141 years of climate records. here you can see temperatures so far this year. the shades of red are areas that have been warmer than average. the darkest red are the areas that have seen records. chuck. >> yeah, sadly, it feels like every year it's a new record, which is not a good sign. >> up next, former dhs secretary jeh johnson with us. daca was implemented during his tenure. you can imagine he has a thing or two to say about the supreme court decision and the president's new attempt to try to dismantle it.

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. president trump is suggesting his administration will continue to push to end daca. today he tweeted in part, quote, the supreme court asked us to resubmit on daca. nothing was lost or won. they punted much like in a football game where hopefully they would stand for our great american flag. joining me is former united states secretary, jeh johnson. what do you think about the administration trying to relitigate it. >> first, it was good to be followed by my college classmate and friend of 43 years, marty king. when i was in office i was in

honduras at the embassy and i met a young man that came to the united states when he was about three years old with his mother and brother way before daca. when i met him it struck me he was american in every respect. he looked, sounded and acted like an american. he was a new york giants fan and one day i.c.e. came along and scooped him up and sent him back to a country he didn't know at all and expelled him from the country he knew, and that shows the harshness of the immigration policies if exerted in a wrong way, and yesterday's decision by the supreme court in my view was a correct one. this administration, frankly, even if you are a hardliner you have to recognize that they have bumbled the way in which they handled daca. in part, i believe, because there's a divided point of view

within the administration. i know there is within dhs about the future of the program. when jeff sessions came along and said it's not legal, they said well the attorney general said it's not legal and our hands are tied and we have to end the program, and it turns out when you hang your hat on just the legal point of view you are inviting the courts to second guess that decision and that's exactly what happened. >> the whole point of the executive order, and correct me if i am wrong, it came about out of frustration with congress, right, and frustration that everything was at a roadblock, a bit of a brick wall and you guys do the executive order in the moment because you wanted to do something in the moment to protect these folks. i don't think you thought the program was going to be living this long. it was supposed to motivate congress to get its act together and here we are where even the

supreme court ruling seemed to say, look, you don't get to do it out of technicality, go and do your job. >> correct. it was deferred action and intended to be temporary in two-year intervals in the hopes congress would act, and we know the immigration issues become incredibly polarized. in the meantime, these people are here and they are not going away. they are a remarkably responsible group of young americans. i have met dreamers at yale law school, for example. it's a policy and this administration could continhoos continue the policy as long as they want now. >> we spoke earlier today about juneteenth and you shared a picture with me of your great, great grandmother. i want to put it up on the

screen. tell us your story. >> thank you for showing us, my great, great grandmother, she was born and lived in southwest virginia in about 1848. she was born an enslaved person and she was an enslaved person through the civil war and obtained the freedom after the civil war and continued to work for a white family her entire life and to show you how history can be complicated, she's buried in an integrated cemetery in lynchburg, virginia, just a few feet away from the head stones of confederate soldiers. i am proud to say her great, great, great granddaughter, your msnbc colleague is now marching across the bridge on juneteenth. >> and her great, great, grandson was the secretary of

homeland security. jeh johnson, thank you for coming on and talking to us today and we appreciate your insight and family history today. >> thank you. >> chuck, i don't think i knew that. >> well, he has brought the history to everything and in that case it was his personal history, and it was a treat for sharing that with us. that's all we have today and nicole wallace will pick things up after this quick break. we'll see you next week.

good day, brian williams here with you. 3:00 p.m. in the east and 12:00 noon on the west coast and nicole wallace will be along with us momentarily. we begin this hour with the celebrations to mark juneteenth. it's the day slaves in our country learned they were free. we have celebrations taken place at the lincoln memorial in washington. juneteenth, of course, has taken on a greater significance this year as americans reckon with the past and push to address systemic racism that still exists today. in detroit the city unveiled a street mural with the words power to the people, and there

were celebrations in galveston, texas, where on june 19th of 1865, a union general gordon granger announced all slaves had been freed. >> the people of texas are informed that in accordance with the aproclamation from the executive of the united states all slaves are free. this involves an absolute equality of personal rights and rights of property, between former masters and slaves and the connection heretofore existing becomes that between paid labor. they are informed they will not be allowed to collect at military posts, they will not be supported in idleness either there or elsewhere.

>> here's the part of juneteenth that will always speak to a national embarrassment and shame. that announcement came just over two months after the civil war ended and almost 2 1/2 years after abraham lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation. slavery was officially abolished when the 13th of the constitution was ratified in december of 1865. texas was fittingly the first state to recognize juneteenth as a state holiday in 1980, and today 46 states and the district of columbia recognize it as an official holiday or observance. there's a renewed push to push the prominence of juneteenth, and texas republican center, john cornyn, says he plans to

introduce a similar bill on his side. later today there will be a juneteenth ceremony in tulsa, oklahoma, the site of one of the worst race massacres in u.s. history nearly 100 years ago. also where president trump will hold his first campaign rally since the start of the coronavirus pandemic tomorrow. hundreds of people already lined up outside the arena where he will speak. the line first formed last weekend. it was supposed to be held tonight but was pushed back because of the backlash over the date of its original schedule. i am joined now by friend and colleague, nicole wallace, and nicole, sometimes timing works out. that juneteenth appears on the calendar now, 24, 25 days into protests and our cities and towns, perhaps this will mean more people learning its under

pinnings and its meaning. >> yeah, there are a lot of things happening in the news these days that make you feel good putting a child in front of the tv set, but the idea that senator kamala harris and actually a republican, senator john cornyn agree on making it a holiday is a glimmer of good news. i think you are right, probably more people are taking themselves to school and digging in and learning some of the significance if they were not aware of it already. that's a little bit of good news. and let's go to rehema ellis who joins us and i see a lot of masks behind you and that's good news. >> reporter: we are closer than we want to be or should be, to be honest, but for the sake of giving you information we will do this for now. we are celebrating history here

today. this has never happened in new york city where you have had crowds come out to talk about juneteenth. let me talk to some of the folks out here to find out why they are are? >> i am a latina educator, and i am amplifying the call. >> reporter: thank you so much. why did you come out? >> i came out to celebrate my ancestors and celebrate the black community. >> reporter: this young lady is a junior in high school. did you celebrate juneteenth in high school? did you read about juneteenth in high school? >> nothing was ever taught in my u.s. history classes, i never learned much about black history. we learned about one side of history, aspecial l.especially . for younger people, it gives us a chance to not only start making the changes we want for

our people in looking forward to the future, but being here and knowing our history, and learning. >> are you trying to get people to vote? >> yes, please, register to vote. it's in your power. >> why did you come out? >> i wanted to celebrate juneteenth because i want to flex the freedom we have and we should be able to share everything equally if we want to be equal people. >> one of the things that is happening out here, you get a diverse crowd with common goals. i want to play off what brian mentioned. andrew cuomo says as of next year he will present legislation to make juneteenth a state holiday here in new york as well. nicole and brian? >> thank you so much. i believe we are at another juneteenth rally in new york, this one in brooklyn, and are

you there? >> reporter: yeah, take a look at this, guys. when we are in front of the brooklyn bridge. in the matter of an hour or so since we arrived, thousands of folks have gathered and we are going to talk lower. they are going to take a five-mile march over brooklyn bridge and head to city hall and then head up to the lawn in central park and with what you were talking about with regards to the historic regards here, it's important, because you think about the strides that have been made and the civil rights movement, but amidst all of these folks are out here because they want racial justice because of george floyd and brionna taylor, and they are seeing these small changes on a local level but they want to

address systemic racism federally, and that's why you guys, they keep coming out every single day to march on this juneteenth. it's incredible to see what they have been talking about throughout this march as we were getting ready to walk. it's a sense of community. there was a response where they said who is community, and they said, we are the community. it's about a unification, it seems, as they are making this five-mile or so march up to central park, brian and nicole. >> thank you so much. we're so lucky to have you both out there. thank you for bringing us those reports. joining our conversation now, msnbs correspondent, and he is also the host of nbc's "into america" podcast, and also we have a reporter for nbc news covering race in the country,

and the nation's changing demographics. tremaine, just pick up on any thread, anything from our live reports or brian's setup, point our attention to where you think it should be today. >> i will tell you what, nicole, one it's amazing to see this kind of awakening. let's call it an awakening. not too much different than what it took for those enslaved people in texas to get word of their freedom, and it took 155 years for america to wake up and know what it means, and as far as the systems that has beaten people back time and again, and it's good to see people embracing this piece of history, and there's a commemorations of not just what folks have gone through enslavement, but years

after, where you had the redemption period where white violence and racial terror swept across the country and black folks had to pull themselves up through jim crow laws, and super babies, and crack queens and all of that history, there's a direct line from the out grove of enslavement until now, so it's wonderful that people are getting time off work and states are considering this moving forward, a state holiday. it's policy people are calling for, and police reform, and access to health education and food. this is an amazing show of support in so many ways, across racial and cultural push and movement to finally recognize black people as full citizens because as of yet i don't think we reached that moment yet. so the question is are we free yet? are we on our way towards

freedom is the question. >> just to pick up on that, janelle, and i know you are at the epicenter of every big story happening in this country, and i want to ask you what it feels like there. first i want to read you what president obama tweeted, and it's not the celebration of victory but the celebration of progress. quote, juneteenth has never been a celebration of victory, but it's a celebration of progress and an affirmation despite our history, change is possible and there's still so much work to do. does he have it right? >> reporter: it does, it certainly sounds like a lot of the gatherings i have attended much of my life. i grew up in texas so juneteenth was always a celebratory occasion, and it was where there was conversation about political and social issues and here in

tulsa it's not tremendously different, and the event was scaled down because of covid, and there's a lot of people here for a period in the pheulgtmidd the pandemic, and i certainly have met many, many people who have a lot to say about the social and political conditions in our country. there are people here registering people to vote. there was a group that came through earlier carrying a coffin draped in an american flag and this is a group called black men will vote in 2020. >> janelle, it's impossible to overstate the importance of the massacre and its anniversary in tulsa. i have been there and i have visited what i believe are the only two surviving headstones after a mass casualty event due

to the fact that most were mass graves. i have visited the only surviving structure from the businesses and homes that were trashed. it's a quickly available third rail for all those in tulsa, oklahoma, so if folks didn't understand the instant reaction to the president naming the date today to hold the rally, tomorrow gives the people of tulsa 24 hours more distance, i guess, and that's some comfort. >> i think that's a fair assessment. i certainly have spoken to people who said plainly that they thought the president's initial plan to hold his rally here was openly disrespectful. another person described it as a dog whistle.

there are certainly many people, and let me be frank, who are supporters of the president and there are many people lined up outside of the rally in hopes of getting in. we're six minutes away from the box center in the greenwood district, where black wall street once stood. you are right, there are certainly many people here that have a palpable sense that this is an area of people that have been wronged. over my left shoulder there was a church that was apparently the only structure standing after the massacre, and in that case it was the basement. people here were so determined to try and rebuild and return that they held services there the sunday after the massacre. >> tremaine, talk about the teaching opportunity. i was struck by the high school junior that was interviewed in

new york, being so hyperaware of what she has been taught and not taught in school. i was struck today and have been all day by the historian michael beshwalsh, and he was tweeting about subjects in a different time in our country, but for the benefit of people who may not have had the benefit of knowing what he stood for at a different time. >> that's right. this moment offers a great opportunity to re-educate not only our children but ourselves. so many of the moments are treated as side notes opposed to central of the american story. we had to have black history to remind black folks especially that we were integral in part of building part of america, and this is american history.

there's no tkaef natideviation. it took black and white and every corner of america to create who we are. you think about the 1619 project, when america came to be, and you think about the confederate statues now being torn down by the people across the country and they were erected well after the civil war and that was to remind folks of their place, and now again it's an opportunity to sensor the narrative on those that paid so much and always forced america to be a greater version of itself, and always held that mirror up and recognized the kind of democracy it says it loves and believes in. this opportunity, again, i do want to caution us. if we are students of history, every time there's great progress that pendulum swings back. if there are moments from now and we are focused on juneteenth and grappling with race and

racism, the pendulum may be swinging back and there are forces and powers that don't want us to understand and come together, so it will be interesting and shameful if we miss this opportunity. again, if you study history the pushback will most certainly come. >> some contemporary wisdom about our shared history and our thanks for their reporting. janelle, we are wishing you fair skies and good weather out there. a break for us. when we return, president trump descends on tulsa as the state of oklahoma sees a record rise in coronavirus cases. tulsa county, the number one county for infection in that state. we'll talk with a doctor there who is calling for tomorrow night's rally to be canceled. later, the secretary of state labels the former national security adviser a traitor, just a normal day as the president

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we're back and we have a bit of breaking news to bring you right now. the oklahoma supreme court has just denied the request to foresee the cdc health measures on the thousands of people on

president trump's controversial and large-scale rally in tulsa tomorrow. the city's republican mayor have been increasingly alarmed by the plans to move forward with the event as cases spike in tulsa and around the state. oklahoma reported another record one-day total just yesterday. 450 new confirmed cases bringing the total number to more than 9,700. 120 of those cases reported in tulsa county where people have been sickened more than in any other county in california. a short time ago in the briefing home the white house press secretary announced her intention not to wear a mask while accompanying her boss, the president, to the tulsa rally. >> will you be there, for example? >> i will be there. >> will you and other white

house officials bewaring a mask? >> i will not bewaring a ma wea. >> would the president be disappointed in you? >> i am in compliance with cdc guidelines which are recommended but not required. >> we have that and among the medical experts in tulsa voicing concern about tomorrow's rally is our next guest, an assistant professor of medicine at the oklahoma university school of community medicine. this week he was in the news because he wrote a letter urging the mayor of tulsa to call it off. we're also joined by the politics editor over at "the daily beast." reasonable people can agree this is the definition most dangerous public health event we could

have is a indoor mass gathering of people drawn from desperate directions and put together. it appears the of the united states is providing over the biggest mass gathering we have had during the pandemic, and are you confident people will exert best practices to avoid a hot spot from getting hotter in tulsa? it leads all the counties in the state already. >> you know, i am not terribly confident and the reason is, you know, living in tulsa, going to the grocery store, going to work, we have observed that many of our community members are not practicing social distancing. they are not wearing masks.

so when you are looking at a situation when you are going to have tens of thousands of people who may not be following the cdc recommendations, you can understand the concern that many of us in the health care field have. >> sam stein, we mentioned before the break the president saying the quiet part allowed, and he said a lot in the interview with the wall street journal but the passing comment he made about the wearing of masks in his view may just be a visual signal of people who are against him politically and think of the meaning of this gathering tomorrow, sam, as we mentioned, largest mass indoor gathering that we know of since the time of the pandemic. >> yeah, it's obviously a medically risky gathering, and

very different from outdoor protests that have their own risks but this is of a different level, and it's made worse by the open defiance the president and his aides have towards the very sane and basic measure of wearing a mask. for them it's become a political symbol of defiance really against the virus, and it's a way to say we believe this thing, this pandemic will fade away without taking proactive steps. for everybody in the community it's lunacy. we talked to dr. anthony fauci this week and asked him straight up, would you go to the rally? he said absolutely not. and for good reason, there are risks involved here, and the president makes these cultural moments, in this case obviously a public health moment and he

tries to break it down on partisan lines, so now we have the debate on masks when virtually all the evidence says this is the smartest way to contain the pandemic. >> you know, we came in with the breaking news that the state supreme court there struck down any requirement that people protect themselves from covid-19 or from spreading it to one another, and having covered president trump's president scyr 3.5 years, and there are a lot of things that could not be imagined, there are so many places where norms have protected the citizenry. is the medical community at a loss when the leaders refuse to do things like wear masks? president trump is the convener

for the -- >> most of us health care officials is something that is a public health issue has become a politicized issue. i am not here to politicize anything. i think that is what has gotten us into the position we are in. this is a public health issue and if we are going to give ourselves the best chance to really stay ahead of the virus we really have to be everybody onboard. it's an all or nothing sort of thing. if you only have certain people willing to follow the guidelines and stay safe that puts everyone at risk and that's why it's particularly troublesome. >> are there any extra preparations at the hospital for increased testing on the other side of this event? i mean, i know that cases are on the rise there. you have people coming in from other places where cases seem to

be on the rise according to the cdc. is there a health -- a public health plan in the aftermath of this large scale indoor event where masks won't be worn by the press secretary or the president himself? >> sure. we have been planning as a community since the beginning and we had a little bit of a peek in april when things kind of settled out across the hospitals, and right now our numbers are relatively low compared to some of the surrounding states, however with the increases we have seen the rate is actually pretty concerning. just about a week ago in tulsa, our increase was about 30 cases per day. now you have heard we have had over 150 new cases yesterday and across the state we have had 450, which is almost a 2.5 x from what it was several days

ago. so we feel prepared in terms of our hospital capacity but that can be chewed up pretty quickly. in terms of testing, we have a good amount of testing and what we are addressing is these increases we are seeing is not due to increased testing. our positivity rate is currently about 8%, and a few months ago our positivity rate was at 1.5% and we were doing more testing then. >> sam stein, the truth is just that, the positive rates have nothing to do with increase in testing and i actually think new york state is testing more than ever and their rate is plunging, and more testing has the opposite affect of what president trump is alleging and dr. fauci was saying yesterday the bias -- just broaden the