ago. so we feel prepared in terms of our hospital capacity but that can be chewed up pretty quickly. in terms of testing, we have a good amount of testing and what we are addressing is these increases we are seeing is not due to increased testing. our positivity rate is currently about 8%, and a few months ago our positivity rate was at 1.5% and we were doing more testing then. >> sam stein, the truth is just that, the positive rates have nothing to do with increase in testing and i actually think new york state is testing more than ever and their rate is plunging, and more testing has the opposite affect of what president trump is alleging and dr. fauci was saying yesterday the bias -- just broaden the facts for us, and president

trump is going to risk infecting people and he knows it, and his public facing staffer is not going to wear a mask because it's not what her leader wants her to do? >> i think of it as something where they are putting their heads in the sand and denying the realities around them. about a month ago mike pence had a conference call with governors and he was talking about how this was on the downswing. donald trump in various interviews said, again, this would fade away and the administration has talked about how much of this is because of increased testing when we know the positivity rates are going up, and donald trump said we would be better off in some respect if we had no testing at all, and we are seeing spikes in covid not related to increased testing, that we have not

actually tested the first wave of the virus despite mike pence saying we are not going to have a second wave. yes, there's the politicalization of the health measures that can be taken, but i think it's almost weirder and more problematic that we are denying a reality in front of you in hoping that you can convince a portion of the population to deny it along with you. >> our thanks to two terrific guests. stay safe and well out there. we will be talking to you along the way. same to you, sam stein, another break for us. when we return, oklahoma isn't the only state seeing a spike in coronavirus cases. health officials, of course, are warning that florida could be shaping up to be the next epicenter in this pandemic on a delayed basis. we'll go live to florida after this.

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>> this is important. that is not an interview from the battle days in mid march and early april at the height of the coronavirus. that's from right now, today, her name is christina santana. she's a nurse in elcentral, california. her hospital, like many across our country right now, is seeing a increased number of coronavirus patients. here are the facts. the number of confirmed cases in the united states has now officially surpassed 2.2 million. over 119,000 of our fellow citizens have died from this. globally, more than 150,000 new cases were reported to the w.h.o, and almost half of the cases were in our country. here at home five southern states reporting their highest single day increases yet, including the state of florida

where officials added nearly 4,000 new cases just this morning hitting a daily record for the second straight day. concerns are also growing in florida over a short supply of icu beds. fewer than a quarter now available across florida as experts warn the state is well on its way to becoming our nation's next epicenter. we are happy to be joined live in florida by our news correspondent, sam brock. sam, i know the governor is not giving an inch and does not want to go back on any of the freedoms that have been granted. i also understand this morning it was announced the average age has fallen to 37 of positive cases. orange county, average age 29 and could this be true, seminal county, the average is 26 years of age. what is driving that?

>> the other numbers he listed were palm beach county around 40, 41, and miami-dade county, early 40s. instead of talking about the positivity numbers going up and we know they are going up, and 30,000 tests versus the 50,000 we had seen a week and a half ago, the governor is arguing the people testing positive are young and asymptomatic. what he said was that the median age right now for florida over the last week was 37 years old, and trending into this week he's seeing that coming down largely. as far as the numbers themselves, brian, no matter how you dissect this, it's concerning. 4,000 in just one day, and we are pushing 20,000 cases in a week, and that's a lot of cases. 17 straight days where the state of florida has seen 1,000 plus new cases, and this was a state watching the curve go down in

early may and then starting june it shot up and that's where we find ourselves right now. >> unbelievable situation. >> keep watching. nbc's sam brock, thank you for watching. and sorry about that, brian. remember the aircraft carrier that suffered an outbreak of coronavirus onboard, the navy found the ship's top commanders made poor decisions in response to the outbreak and the captain will not be reinstated to command the ship, and his boss onboard, admiral baker will have his two-star promotion on hold. and this is reaching into every aspect of american life today. >> unbelievable. what a broadcast it has been thus far.

a quick thanks to our producers and for our guests because we have learned a lot since the 3:00 hour started. we have talked to some terrific people. all they had in common was they are on the front lines. people are in the streets and we have an ongoing pandemic and i feel like we have gotten the freshest possible entail. i will be watching and thank you for having me, and have a good weekend. >> we will be watching you, too, at 11:00. thanks for joining us. up next, after a week of big losses president trump is heading to tulsa. new polling underscores the deep political trouble he's in as he makes his way there. that's next. - [narrator] the shark vacmop combines powerful suction

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with us is brittany cunningham, a former president of obama's 24th century policing. we are glad to have you both. i love your take on sort of the broader state of the sort of american sense of where we are and where we need to go. >> first, nicole, let me thank president trump for introducing juneteenth to all of america, particularly black america. >> that's right. yeah. anybody that missed that, we should remind them in the "wall street journal" he takes credit for making juneteenth famous. that really happened. >> despite his poll numbers are terrible. nicole, i don't think it's any coincidence you would have at the same time trump's poll

numbers plummeting where more and more americans are thinking we're off track, and as you get inside the details of this you see his approval numbers and his overall support numbers are in line with a percentage of americans that think donald trump respect racial minorities. i think, nicole, what you are seeing is particularly for white middle class america, and especially white college educated voters, they woke up with the floyd protests and said, oh, my god, racism does exist, and my black and brown friends are not making that up, and there's racism and we should do something about it. 6 i think more so than ever i think justice and equality and racism will be on the ballot in 2020. when that's on the ballot in 2020, i think a president who

mattis talked about, he has spent three years trying to divide us and that puts him in an awfully awkward position, and puts some of his senate friends in an awkward position also. >> let me follow-up with you about what you see in biden's poll numbers and in some of the exit polls from the primaries. it looks a whole lot to me -- it does not look anything like '16 and it doesn't look like '12, but it looks like the '08 obama coalition, and you have biden looking good and then bridging that age divide and then also picking up college educated white women and college educated white men and then really reaching into the kinds of voters that any republican that has ever had an electoral victory in the last 60 years has needed to be in their coalition, and it seems at this juncture,

and i will stipulate things can always change, but the biden coalition as it looks right now, it looks like the obama '08 coalition. does it look that way to you? >> well, one, i want to dampen some of the enthusiasm, we can't get too caught up in comparing what is happening in primaries to general elections, because they are apples and oranges. look, when you saw the turnout in georgia from the primary that just happened this past week, we tripled the turnout in a primary, and the most telling thing, i think, nicole about that turnout difference was before killer mike addressed -- and before the protests, before mike addressed the young pea

null -- people in atlanta and after, and the turnout portion of the electorate was younger, and after the protest happened and after killer than before. i think there is something there that we're seeing on the streets. i think that there is something that there that says we mayor be able to connect the energy up to politics. and to your point, when i look at those young people, those young black and brown and white people taking to the streets, they do very much look like the core of obama's coalition. so many of them who sat out in 2016 and so many of them who protests their vote and voted third party and in 2016. this they come bacan give biden 52%. because as you know, the

electorate to get two points browner. >> right. and it was my experience and it is worth nothing because things change and they change for the better, but voters are not -- and this seems to be the memo that trump didn't get. they are not judging you because a pandemic hit the world. they are judging you on how you responded to said pandemic. they are also i think trump may be different because of his response to sharmcharlottesvill saying good people on both sides of the kkk rally, but there was a window of opportunity where he could have jumped on the side where 76% of americans are standing right now today. and said, you know, what, i'm capable, i can get on the ride si right side of this. he is suffering because his coalition was very white and

very angry, but he is also suffering because the things that he has been asked to deal where, the things that have landed on the american president's desk are things that he has botched badly. >> well, before i start, let me say happy juneteenth. this is a day where we celebrate the miracle of black life in america and that meeof meerk be a cit is in the spirit of juneteenth that i remind us that the things that landed at president trump's desk were promised for come to a president's desk because of the his foreof this country. it has dictated that folks who have been oppressed for far too long, whether black, lgbtq, imgrni immigrants and even more have found their way to every television station and every

street to demand that the oppression that we have known not be the path of the future. what you hear from folks out on the streets is they are not just saying that this president, that this administration is below the floor, below the bar that we want to hold for ourselves. what you hear them saying we don't just need to get rid of president trump, we need to blond the old status quo. we quapt want a new now normal. there is no reason to believe that trump would care for low income folks, black folks, brown folks or any of the people that he has continuously abused during his lifetime and his career. so none of us are surprised by what we're seeing from this white house. what we are taking care to do is making sure that the future looks very different from the past and that we are actually reaching the point of our most

radical imagination beyond where we need trump to move out of the way. >> and two supreme court decisions were decided with some of the participation of theness conservative justices came go c on the same side of history that you are talking about. do you think this is a moment and that trump is just dramatically out of ten with it or is it more continsinister th that? >> look, i will be very clear in saying that bad week for trump, whether a compascotus ruling or polling, that is a good week for the rest of us. we see over and over again that these sinister actions. whether out front or behind the

scene, we see this administration consistently trying to put us backwards. we see it in the case of police violence where they rescinded the obama era ruling to begin to ban military equipment going to local police departments. we see it in the ways in which he tried to interrupt daca but the supreme court said no to that yesterday. we see it in the ways that he continues to try to marginalize women and move us to the places of society that we have fought so hard to emerge from. so i don't believe that this is accidental. i don't believe that this is just an experience of someone being out of step. i believe that this is someone being seen and found out for who he has always been and we need to keep the eyes on the prize, not just when it comes to the election in november, but about ensuring true equity and justice for all marginalized people in this country even beyond the next presidential election. >> cornell, let me come back to

you with a short question. are you surprised that 26% more americans now align themselves with the mission and goals of the blac "black lives matter" movement than did in 2015? >> i'm dog smacked. you don't see this type of -- this type of change and reaction and attitudes toward these sorts of issues. it kind of reminds me of how quickly we saw america turn around on gay marriage. we're in a different place. and all of a sudden you have a majority of americans for even -- you know, more white america americans saying that statues should come down. we are at a really special moment in america where i think the possibilities of america to not kick the can down the road on these issues of racism is better than than in a long, long time because you have in fact the majority of americans saying racism does exist, that police

are -- this is systemic and that some of these confederate, you know ghosts must now come down. >> and always exciting if you spent a career in politics, any moment will public opinion on anything shifts so dramatically is always one studied for a very long time. and obviously seeing large numbers of americans getting on the right side of these issues givens me hope. thank you both so much. dead line white house begins next. of scheduled carefree maintenance. 3 years or 36,000 miles of 24/7 roadside assistance. 4 years or 50,000 miles bumper-to-bumper limited warranty. 5 years of connected services. and for 6 years you won't have paid any interest.

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it is 4:00 in the east. 3:00 p.m. in tulsa which at this hour is bracing for a world wind. trump and his maga rally set to desend on t senscend on the cit. and daijuneteenth, a dana commemorates the end of slavery, a moment of reckoning for this country. and in tulsa, "black lives matter" now adorns the city streets. and a message about the moment in america that doubles as a message to the president. who has for weeks declined directly address or acknowledge

the systemic racism that has driven this historic demand for change. twruchl trump's rally had to be rescheduled after he had initially chosen june 19 and that sparked an uproar. and he declares i made june teen t teenth famous. it is an important time, but very few people had heard of it, end quote. and one line that speaks volumes about the president and his understanding of the country he leads. today crowds have been grath gathering for juneteenth. hundreds were killed during repeal and replaci racist massacre 99 years ago.

al sharpton will join us in a few moments. and in oklahoma, the supreme court struck down a lawsuit that sought to ensure the safety and that masks and social distancing were in place for trump rally goers tomorrow. that lawsuit failing. breaking news out of the white house though, where nbc news has just learned and reported that even top members of the white house coronavirus task force including doctors debra birx and anthony fauci against the holding tomorrow's rally in actu actual city warning about the risks which of course didn't deter trump.city warning about risks which of course didn't deter trump. trump acknowledged yesterday that people might get sick if they go. and of course his campaign is demanding everyone sign a waiver saying they won't sue the campaign if they do get sick especially as coronavirus cases surge in the state of oklahoma. which announced a record shattering daily increase in

cases just today. and carol lee, one of the reporters who broke that story, will join us. and also ron klain, and now an vazer to joe bid er adviser to joe biden. and also we're joined by a practicing physician and health policy director. and one of the lawyers in tulsa who was just denied the request to enforce safety measures at tomorrow's trump rally. let me start with you, carol, on the breaking news that the president's own coronavirus task force members, two doctors who have become household names because they stood shoulder to shoulder at those coronavirus task force briefings swrized the white house not to do exactly

what he is doing tomorrow. >> yeah, that's right. two people familiar with these discussions are telling us that they cautioned the white house against holding rallies, these large scale gathering indoors because of the health risks of that. we notice thknow dr. fauci says that he wouldn't attend the rallies himself, that absolutely not he wouldn't go. and the white house says that -- a white house official told us that they did discuss this with members of task force and south oig the sought their input say that oklahoma is in a phase three of reopening and the task force says that the phase three guidelines, and feel comfortable with where they are at. and this is part of a larger pattern that we have seen since the task force's inception and as the pandemic continued and the president started to push back on the closing up of the country.

and the tension has been there are you have members of the task force saying that they recommend one thing and the white house and the president saying that that is not exactly the direction that they want for go in. and that is what is happening with the rallies and happened behind the scenes. and it comes also at a time when we've seen the briefings from members of the coronavirus task information really go away and white house officials told us that we shouldn't expect them to come back anytime soon, one saying that that won't than unless there is some very significant event. there are clinical trials for a vaccine for instance or there is a very significant massive uptick in the number of coronavirus cases that for how, what you will see is not dr. fauci or dr. birks frx from the podium. they will essentially use the white house press secretary as the translator of whatever those folks are -- the experts are saying behind the scenes and that she can say -- give their message once it goes through.

obviously the white house's preferred filter from the white house podium. but the big headline here is that these experts have said that -- and advised behind the scenes that something like what the president is splis planning tomorrow is not recommended. >> and they will use the white house press secretary who today announced that she won't be wearing a mask which is what doctors birx and fauci recommend. paul, your lawsuit failed and all that it sought to do was to protect donald trump's rally goers. his own science and coronavirus task information might bes weem worried about being able to protect citizens at an indoor facility not socially distanced and not wearing masks. talk about the lawsuit and if there is any other recourse now that it has famed.

failed. >> thanks for having me and happy june tine ets. this is a big day for us. the virus won. that is who won. if you sat down to design a dwl delivery system for mass trabs mission of a virus during a pandemic, this is what you would come up with, this event.transma pandemic, this is what you would come up with, this event. so i don't think that the lawsuit failed. we raised the issues. what failed us with not the laurt a lawsuit and our courageous plaintiffs, but what famed us is our local leadership. that is what failed here.

it is not a matter of whether people get sick and die, but a matter of how much. >> those are haunting remarks. and dr. patel, if you could pick up from that sunl natimmation, e winner is the virus. >> absolutely. and he is right. this is -- this is just an attempt by the people of tulsa to actually try not only to protect their own health but remember that people coming to the rally are coming from other places and presumably going back to those places. so the ability for tens of thousands to then take this virus to other cities and towns and potentially vulnerable people, honestly, it is just indicative of this presidency. the cdc itself, the public health agency itself, has already classified this type of

gathering as the highest risk indoors, large crowds where you can't physically sgans, with people coming in from other places. it is by definition the highest risked place do anything. and why am i not surprised? but you weunfortunately, we'll health system already strained deal with it, we will have people that will get infected and sick and nobody taking responsibility because they have offered a waiver. and this isn't a ralbl rally too understand how where he ask improve the economy, it is purely for politics. it feels like a slap in the face. >> and it sfrnts juisn't just p.

this is also about his feelings. le washingtthe "washington post reported that he was feeling kooche e cooped up. a lot of toddlers are too, but we aren't plarnlging th marching them into areas where they are exposed. and they don't want to look at people with masks. and on the question of testing, he thinks that it is overrated. i mean, has he sort of passed this point of being competent and moved in to something more akin to truth eerism around the pandemic that others say is still very much on the ruse ais threatenings world population? >> it is not just on the rise around the world, it is on the rise in oklahoma. oklahoma had its peak day yesterday. and so even under the white house's own guide lines, even

under the lax guidelines that trump said you shouldn't expand activities, this flunks trump's own guidelines. so this isn't about politics, it is about ego. it is about assembling trump's follow followers. he is failing in the polls, because is he failing our country. and so he is calling his faithful together to offer praise up to donald trump and in a grand event. as i said, this isn't even about politics, this is good his personal narcicisstic desire to do that. and he is willing to risk his own health of himself andis his follower to the pump up his ego. >> and donald trump doesn't even deny in. if i could just read this to you, because it might mean

something different to you, the reporter says what happens if your supporters get sick at one of these rallies. and trump says that it is a very small percentage. what does it mean there on the ground if these are your neighbors or your business leaders, even he used the word tiny, very small percentage? we do obituaries every day and every person that loses their life is a part of that tiny percentage of people lost forever. >> well, that is right. and i chose to follow the science and not president trump's tweet. and if you look behind me, you will see a hockey stick graph of the axxlcceleration of covid ca in tulsa county. i have zero confidence is that there will be any social distancing measures taken at this event. and to give you a picture of the

strange world we live in, the courthouse is two blocks away from the bok center and we have suspended all jury trials for criminal cases and civil cases. that is the constitutional right to a jury trial. and a very important right. we've suspended that two blocks away from the bok center because we decided that 12 people are not safe to sit shoulder to 140u8d der shoulder in a jury box yet saturday we'll have 20,000 people chanting and crescreamin without any social distancing realities. i feel like i'm living in a zombie apocalypse movie. and again, this is not about politics. the only winner here is the virus, period. >> dr. patel, could you pick that up? do you think that doctor fauci thinks that he too is living in a zombie apocalypse movie?

>> it does -- i'll say this, at least we now have been hearing from dr. fauci a little bit more. but certainly we need more voices to try to help us. because i really have to believe that kind of science which should prevail, that if we understand what we can do, just practically speaking, we shouldn't be going for large indoor rally, but we can safely express our opinions with distance, with masks, i think that is the way to avoid kind of all these in-70s ahe was ables. and i hope that people listen to that before they fill that stadium tomorrow and think about what they are doing and the consequences. >> will joe biden hold any indoor rallies? >> he won't unless conditions i

can't pldramatically change wit regard to the disease. the vice president going to meet with small business leaders about the impact this had, and -- he did it with a mask on, listened carefully, took notes. wanted to hear what they had to say about how we had to fix the economy. we do need to fix it but the ride way. and the next day did a similar meeting. no mask. actually was busy tweeting white while the small business leaders were tweeting about their problems. joe biden won't put 19,000 people in an arena to get him sick just so he can get a bunch of applause. bottom line, oklahoma is not even in play in this preside presidential election. it is just good a party to honor donald trump no matter what the

cost of it is. so let's be honest about it. this isn't politics, it is just ego. >> carol lee, a great place to end with you and your reporting. why the heck are they going there? >> it is a friendly state. it is in phase three of their reopening, so they feel like they have more lee way to kind of do the kind of event that they want to do. but look, i traveled with vice president pence yesterday for instance and we were in michigan. and it is the same sort of playbook. it was a smaller group, but it was no mask, people at the events with yoevent s were not-46 their chairs were further apart but they weren't wearing masks. the vice president went into a restaurant and had to work his way through a narrow aisle because there were people on either si either side none wearing masks. and so this message will be that things are open for business and everything is normal, nothing to see here. and the problem that they risk

running into is that the virus is going to act how it wants to act and in-pictueffect the way do. and so they trying to control how people are thinking about it. this is about going to a place that is friendly territory where he feels like he can have the kind of event that he wants to have that he hasn't had in more than three months. >> so if you get sick, it was really for naught. it is not a place where he even has any political ambitions. carol, i want to ask you about another big story that i knknow fallen into your beat. john bolton masshas written thaw book and any sense on -- i've seen the white house really sharpen the knives for bolton,

but having been in the white house for a lot of books, those tricks, you only call the writer of book like that traitor if you are really worried about what they have written. how is the white house feel something. >> we know that the president is really angry about this and what is so surprising about john bolton's book is just how much when john bolton came into the white house, president trump welcomed him, he was considered the flavor of the month is what other aides would call him. bolton certainly felt very confident in his position at that time. and to see where that relationship went and where john bolton decided to take this relationship to reveal all of the stuff -- i've read through the book and it is so detailed. we learn things from inside meetings that really we could only have hoped to know as reporters.

and john bolton what is it all out there. there are detailitails that are remarkable and this is not where president trump would want something -- something that john ebobol boebola ebola done woulb. and he has not answered the question of why he keeps hired people that were not fit for the jobs. his press secretary today said he like as team of rivals and john bolton turned out to be one of those and that is an understatement. >> and got there when his

presented says sto predecessor needed to be dismissed. thank you all. and when we come back, president trump mass chasn to mark joouneteenth with a threat. how about no

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americans across this country commemorating the end of slavery with juneteenth

celebrations. against the backdrop of a nation reckoning with police brutality and many effects of systemic racism. one of daiof large celebrationse rally for justice in tulsa where al sharpton will be delivering little keynote address. and this is also the election of trump's campaign rally tomorrow. this morning trump did little to calm anyone's nerves writing that any protestors, an an,ists or low lifes, understand that it will be a much different scene. al sharpton is joining us. talk about this day and if it feels different from a year ago or two years ago or ten years

ago. >> well, i think the difference is we are in the middle of a real movement around systemic racism. and when you think about that the beginning of juneteenth was that people in texas who had been enslaved over two years after the emancipation proclamation were finally announced that they were free, it reminds us that we are still in a struggle. and it was energized by george floyd and saying that just as there was the strulgle struggle have the struggle in 20 2020

that we have to endure and win. it gives the country of where we have two come from and where we are.20 t we have to endure and win. it gives the country of where we come from and where we are. >> at a time where so many of us feel like from our basements we are enough, but you are not you radio , you are on your way to tulsa. what is your message tonight? >> i literally just landed in tulsa. my mess anlage is that the same persi persi persi persistance, and that those enslaved that never gave up, they were members of each other's units and families, they fought even though they were segregated. we can do the same today to

handle criminal justice, to handle policing. yes, it is hard but not as hard as it was in 1865. if they can hold out, we can't let them down. black and bhitwhite, we must fi the cause. this reoad to make america, we need to bring it closer to the end and make america not great again, but make america great for everybody when they say make america great, it was great for white males, not for blacks and the american indigenous, not great for even w450hite women. we need to make america great for the first time and we can do it if we keep doing what needs to be done. >> and it strikes me that some of the most helpful things that white people can do is shut up and listen. so can you tell me more about what is at stake in this

election coming up in november and when donald trump tweets about lumping peaceful protestorsageo you? to me it sounds like a zika virus thre virus -- it susounds like a thrf violence. >> suppose if i had said i want to warn people and call them names that we have something in store for them, they would be investigate being whether i was in-citing a riot. here you have the president doing it. but he told people if you rough people up, i'll cover your legal experience. one side of me says that is the kind of disrespectful provacative person he's always

been. the other thing that says is he is trying desperately to get john bolton off the front page. i will not get in the way of john bolton, i came to deal with ju juneteen juneteenth. i won't help cooperate with you trying to flip the script. >> yeah, we can ignore the shiny object. let me get back to tulsa and why tulsa. why do you think frumtrump is g to tulsa tomorrow? >> that is a very good question. i think that when he originally was coming on juneteenth day, at worst it was that he was trying to disrespect it. and then he pushed it a day back saying he will come tomorrow. one of his african-american

friends told him what june teen ths is, which is just as bad that you are the president of united states, 74 years ostates didn't know what juneteenth ways and you wonder why -- how could you not have known? you were not born somewhere that you should not have known the history of black american history and you were not born in a city where blacks were not populated. you had a black mayor, you had a black president. and you are the head of state and you did not know what this day june be teteenth meant? i guess we shouldn't be surpr e surpris surprised. but that is what 2020 says. it isn't about right or left, it is about someone we have the

capacity to be 3res. yes, we disagree with him on policy. bruh can but can you vavote for somebody don't know the holidays and celebrations of major population holders in this country? this is about confidence. how can we be confident that he can handle a national emergency? we are in the mid thsz of a pandemic and we have this kind of man with this level confidence sitting in the white house. that should frighten a lot of people. >> and there is a moment where most of us in our basements also are enough. you are so important right now to so many people that you are literally being moved from the hot spot of the day to the hot spot of the day to the next hot

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it is not an exact science, but you could certainly makes argument that as we sit here today right now, donald trump's re-election is more in question than at any other point in his presidency. the latest nags ci eest nationu him down 12 points. and trump responded to the poll

calling it a, you guessed it, phony poll and ending with this, fox is terrible, trump is losing among white women, in battle ground states and the vast majority of registered votes don't approve at all. but what does donald trump think is the biggest threat to his re-election? according to his own oval office interview with politico, it is mail-in voting. dr yeah, that. joining us now, mark leibovich and and the greatest threat is people voting? >> wri right. and the constant attacks on mail-in voting are unprecedented. this to me is a clear case of voter suppression. and if we look at what happened in georgia, we look at what happened in wisconsin a few weeks back, there are voters

that are all over the country, and i don't care what side of the aisle you are on, you want to be able to exercise your right to go ahead and vote. and if you are the president of the united states and you are basically telling folks to engage in some kind of voter in-tim tactic and not just in the southern region, but throughout the country, in the midst of this pandemic i think it is really reprehensible. but that is the trump tactic that we know so well. >> and knyou know, cornell beml is a smart poulter. and pollsters say you are not judged by the electorate but as much as how you handle it. and the new york times reporting

is the most devastating takedown of his conduct. and on this moment, this moment of reckoning, where public opinion has swung 26 points toward the mission and goals of the "black lives matter" movement since 2015, trump has done nothing to purge his own legacy of seeing good people on both sides. so it is the failure of the last 80s we eight weeks. >> yeah, you could argue that there have been a few pretty important opportunities in the last eight weeks or so where he could have if not turned it around certainly helped himself immensely. beginning of the covid crisicri

if he had taken a grave and serious tone, let the science people spoke mostly, you know, not 1257b in hstand in his own is a moment where people do want to open their hearts to a president that they might not have had much use to begin with. and so i think just as concerning for donald trump's team and people who are watching this, that the trend lines are bad. and he doesn't necessarily have any places in the next few weeks or next few months where he can turn it around obviously. because i think part of it is the covid numbers are getting scary in key states and states where they are problematic republican governors that are close in line with donald trump. but of course how you end the slide and how you [ inaudible ]

>> and baz and i twri try to lo trump side before fox news had to fire hosts at the beginning of the pandemic because they were spreading propaganda.side e hosts at the beginning of the pandemic because they were spreading propaganda. and the other one was elevated to white house spokesperson sflp. >>. >> and if we zoom out,built if t for peace. but donald trump is built for 234e9 neither. and it is reflective in a lot of the constituencies where leaving him. and we've seen democratic governors and mayors, particularly in san francisco,

chicago, laechatlanta, d.c., the showing real leadership. and even mc-- and that is reflective in how voters respond to their concerns about gorsuch flans in this country. so, you know, whatever traditional sources may have studented t assignmented t um assignme supported the president previously, voters are saying i don't like what i see and it is comfortable. and even if i may not agree on certain policies, i want there to be some normalcy, some end to the dchaos. and again, you are seeing democratic governors and mayors do from all officer tull over t. and even joe biden in his basement throughout this entire time. >> you know, mark, tru really needed to be able to set the

frames of the debate at every point. needed people to not believe what they saw with their own die of eyes inin, the video or what they hear are with their own areas. but once they did, those were just challenges that he couldn't rise to. he looks smaller than at any other point in his presidency. >> and the notion of isolation i think is relevance too. and i think that there are things that add on to this. with every bit of bad new, you will see republican, people loyal to him, eventually on the hill, they will slip away from him. and then with every john bolton book, you know, we've seen this movie before. there is some kind of memoir, all of a sudden the author is a liar, never liked this person, couldn't wait to get rid of him.

but the story gets a little tiresome. and i also think when you talk to a lot of the biden people, they say their message can be dws still distilled to the word enough. and so you are reiterating that in any number of ways. but the white house and donald trump himself seems to be taxing his supporters even to a degree that you sort of wonder where is this going to end, how will it end. and where will it go from here. >> to be continued. thank you both for spending time with us. after the break, donald trump has made a practice out of attacking former aides who criticize him. and there is one question he can't seem to answer. we'll tell you what it is next. volkswagen today.

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and he was never a fan don mcgahn. and john kelly was in over his head. and joining our conversation, frank vehic frank figliuzzi is back. they have decided that the only way to push back is to destroy bolton. i would argue that bolton didn't have a constituency before this was published. he sort of disappointed critics of the president. and he knew full well what i knew and what he put in the book. this is one with nothing to lose. he has no reason it lie at this point. >> right, it is hard to impeach a witness who is not going to be a witness.

and the book is in the hands of hundreds. when you get right down to it and you take away the fancy titles of the cabinet serktss a secretaries and presidential of their office and their expensive suits, what this all comes down to is essentially a gangster culture. the gangster mantra of, if you snitch, you get stitches. snitches get stitches. this is street talk. that's what we have witnessed. you just recounted a litany of examples of that. and so, why is it, at the heart of why gangsters on the street will lash out, and even kill snitches against them? because it's a threat to them. it's a threat to their power and their position, and it could put them in prison. and that's why you see the lashing out. so let's talk about this interesting argument the white house is making against the bolton book. that it contains national security, classified information that could pose grave danger to the united states. well, let's break that down.

so who is the grave danger being posed against? is it to the president, the head of china, who bolton alleges trump said, hey, if you get me re-elected and buy a lot of soybeans and crops. or i'll play with that telecom decision on trade and huawei. so, quid pro quo. if you tell that to china, is that going to be a grave danger? oh, china was in the conversation. not a grave danger. how about president erdogan of turkey? if it gets out to erdogan that trump was actually talking about intervening in criminal cases and lawsuits, and intervening at the justice department on erdogan's behalf. will that pose a grave danger to nation national security? oh, wait a minute, erdogan was in that conversation. same goes for putin. that ostracized him for interfering with the election. putin knows that already. so the argument that this is posing grave -- this proposes a grave danger to national

security falls flat. and what becomes apparent, at the end of the day, it isn't national security, it's gangster security that we are talking about. this is about protecting them, not about protecting the nation. >> and everyone that tried to protect the country from trump. i'm thinking of andy mccabe opening a full field investigation into whether trump was a russian agent. thinking about jim comey, refusing to shut down the flynn investigation. the people that try to stand up for the country, trump views, as a threat. that's indicative of something as well. we'll keep talking about day after day, frank, because there is always more fodder for that conversation. i'm sorry we ran out of time today. after the break, we saved some time to celebrate a really special, remarkable life, well-lived. how about no

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