it is not shocking. recognize me, swae. i had about 400 people just it is the same thing where you marching with me feeling like my saw them take the martin luther gang, black people, white king holiday and turn it. people, asian people, stay with swae. it was such an uplifting you know, one last thing i'll feeling. say about this just in the point but we all just want the same thing, equality. of tulsa is that if you remember >> yeah. >> do the right thing. >> i love that. i'm running over my time limit back when the building was bombed in oklahoma city by to pass to the next show, but i love you saying that, that notion of juneteenth, uplift. timothy mcvay and there were 168 we have the two lees here. casualties in that terrible swae lee hooking up with incident. this is the reaction. this is how history works. there is a reaction where they trymaine lee. i hope slim jim doesn't get talk about this immediately as jealous. the worst event of terro happenn >> i'm ready. man, i'm ready. i'm ready. soil. let's go. this is prior to 9/11 of course. let's go. >> me and slim jim on the way, they didn't realize that that wasn't even the worst in terms too, reality check. of casualties, the worst act of >> reality check is the new terrorism that happened in the song. and i'm sorry i ran late on the state of oklahoma. hour but it was important. thanks to both of you. tulsa exceeded that, as many as >> we have time. >> good night, everybody. 300 people could have died in that massacre that happened there.

and, so, again, it's meant to give a kind of one-sided exculpatory view of the past if the inexpressible that implicitly shapes how we cruelties of slavery could not stop us, the opposition we now see the present. face will surely fail. >> scott, it's also, as leader good evening and happy emancipation day to all. jim clybourn said the other day i'm joy reid. in an interview with nicole and those words written by dr. wallace, this was also the first martin luther king jr. and his time -- it wasn't 9/11 that was letter from a birmingham jail the first time that planes were also expressed the spirit of juneteenth. used in committing terrorism the holiday celebrating the date in 1865 when the last enslaved against americans. tulsa was the first time that happened. and it's almost been written out black americans learned of their of the american memory. freedom, two years after lincoln signed the emancipation >> absolutely. proclamation and union troops ended the civil war. and, you know, the issue of this year's celebrations were airplanes is something that gets especially poignant across the a lot of attention because it's country particularly in the city so outlandish. of tulsa, oklahoma, which is but let's also remember we had bracing for a perfect storm more than 1,000 african-american tomorrow thanks to none other than donald trump, president of homes and biusinesses were the united states. in tulsa this afternoon black destroyed that no white american lives matter protesters marched in celebration of juneteenth. went to jail. the white city fathers told the while the maga crowd lined up

city afterwards that tulsa is for trump's return to the ashamed of this event. we're going to rebuild. campaign trail tomorrow at a instead, they tried to steal the rally originally scheduled for today until trump backed down. end. it was black tulsa who denied them and rebuilt anyway. and with his supporters trump brings another crisis in the there is a much larger history making, a massive crowd at an that happened during the riot that's not been told. indoor rally during a pandemic. let's see, it's not well known as it should be. cases of coronavirus are already not only in tulsa or in spiking across the country, oklahoma, but this is a national particularly in the south, and event and it's something that oklahoma had its record number should be taught across the of new cases yesterday. nation. >> yeah, absolutely. something like 60 years after the end of slavery. nbc news has learned trump's own public health officials called so not even that long after the end of slavery. the rally a bad idea. doctors anthony fauci and birx "watchm "watchmen," people thought that was made up. expressed concerns internally about the safety of holding a no, that was real. i appreciate both of you. rally with as many as 19,000 up next, the legislative push to people in an enclosed arena. make juneteenth a federal but team trump is pushing full holiday. stay with us. as a struggling actor, speed ahead after a particularly bad week for the white house including not one but two crushing defeats at the supreme court which, of course, meant i need all the breaks that i can get. wins for equality and for daca at liberty butchumal- cut. liberty biberty- cut. we'll dub it.

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like they fought and had to wait two and a half years before it you've got the power, we've got the tools. was proclaimed in texas that make a website with godaddy they were free even though the and put what you want out there. emancipation proclamation had been signed two and a half years before that, they fought that struggle into reconstruction, into the era of jim crowe and kept fighting. we're in the era of dealing with policing, with dealing with disproportionate health services in the middle of a pandemic, and we are the children of those that have to deal with juneteenth, and we have the strength to fight and win that fighting with threats, with violence. we're fighting with pride and dignity to finish the route and to finish the trail our forefathers set, and that's how you celebrate juneteenth. in this city in particular, joy, the biggest massacre of that time, 1921, when they leveled off this area where i am and killed hundreds of blacks in what was called black wall

street. that is why it is of particular importance that i come spend a few hours with them as they asked me to come, the family of a man killed by a policeman. they were acquitted and then went to another neighboring county and became a member of law enforcement again in the sheriff's office. that is indicative of why we need bills passed where you cannot go with people that have a record of bad policing and continue in law enforcement. so there is ground zero here in terms of showing the massacre together with my colleagues that came after many decades corey booker and tina smith, we after juneteenth, but many decades later we're fighting to are proposing that juneteenth make sure that police are become a national holiday, and subject to the law and not above the law and the president we are dropping that bill. coming -- i think one thing, >> welcome back. quickly, that i would add, it is that was senator kamala harris breaking the news to me last amazing to me that he is saying night that she was planning to he done know what juneteenth day was. he grew up in new york, which is introduce a bill officially declaring juneteenth a national two-thirds black and latino. holiday.

if he didn't know, it showed his today as americans celebrated, that bill was officially insensitivity and him being out announced. in a press release harris said of touch. so either he did know and is not that on juneteenth, we remember the millions who suffered, died telling the truth or he doesn't and survived the rushing reality know, which shows that he is of slavery in america and culturally deficient and shouldn't be the president of recommit ourselves to continuing the united states. in the fight for equal justice for all. without question it should be recognized with the respect of a >> well said, rev. federal holiday. claire, donald trump has a the day which began as a texas holiday in 1980 is now particular attitude toward protests. recognized by 47 states and the he's fine with rallies where people punch people in the face district of columbia. but not with protests. here he is talking about if the bill passes, it will be a remarkably short turn around. protesters who showed up to his 2016 campaign maga rallies. it took 15 years of effort for take a listen. >> you know what they used to do dr. martin luther king's holiday to guys like that when they were to become a national holiday. in a mrplace like this? i will be right back here they would be carried out on a tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. stretcher, folks. eastern as well as 6:00 p.m. it's true. here's a guy throwing punches, nasty as hell, screaming at eastern for a national broadcast. everything else when we're "all in" with chris hayes is up talking, and we're not allowed -- the guards are very next. tonight on "all in." gentle with him. he's walking out big high-fives, our reckless president.

smile, laughing. i'd like to punch him in the face, i'll tell you. donald trump moves ahead with a in the good old days they'd rip potential super spreader event. him out of that seat so fast. we're live in tulsa. so if you see somebody getting then documentary stanley ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, seriously, nelson on this moment. would you. just knock the hell -- i promise plus, jeff charlotte reports from inside the cult of trump. you, i will pay for the legal fees. i promise. and why our coronavirus cases >> you know, claire, he's very just keep growing when "all in" george wallace. you go back and look at videos starts right now. of his rallies in new york, that's how he sounded as well. what do you make of donald trump good evening from new york. i'm potentially bringing that energy to a place like tulsa that has the history that tulsa has, you know? what do you make of that? >> well, he specializes in being combative and confrontational, and obviously he doesn't feel any need to lead or unite in this incredibly painful moment in our country's history we are all coming to grips with how

badly we have handled systemic racism in this country and, you know, add to that, joy, the rally where he was talking to police officers and encouraged them to physically hurt the suspects they were putting in their police cars. so not only is he embracing a physical confrontation, he's embracing police officers abusing people under their custody and control. and it is outrageous and the fact that he has called off the curfew, it's almost like he wants there to be a problem, that he wants there to be physical violence, that somehow that will justify his rally. it is discouraging. i am really proud of all the people that were there today celebrating juneteenth. they were socially distancing in a state that is really dangerous right now in terms of

coronavirus. you won't see that kind of social distancing at the rally. you'll see people gleefully putting other people at risk. >> it is strange, and i'll go to you next, donna, because both you and claire have run for office, reverend sharpton has as well, there isn't -- it is a weird thing. the candidate creates the vibe that they want. they create what they want reflected back to them in the audience. donald trump seems to luxuriate in creating atmospheres of violence. that's what he enjoys at his rallies. as somebody who has been an elected official in the south, people leave maryland out of the south but it's the upper south, what kind of message do you think is being sent to black americans by donald trump holding this rally a day after juneteenth, so close to the greenwood section in tulsa? what do you think he's intending to say to us?

>> well, you know, i think it's not a secret what donald trump is intending to say to black people but also what he's really saying to his hard core white supremacist base, and that is that he's willing to sow chaos and destruction even as he's running for president and in terms of race to win this election. and so i don't think that is a secret. it hasn't been a secret since he descended the escalator at trump towers. it strikes me that on this juneteenth, of course it's not an accident that, one, he wanted to hold it on the 19th, but that he is so near the greenwood massacre. he pretends not to know anything about this history, but he does. and what i would say is he's trying to sow chaos on the

streets, and he wants the threat of that so that he can allow his trumpian base to come out in the worst way. and so i get worried for us that we have a president of the united states who has no regard for human life, who has no regard for our history and who is willing to go to the absolute lowest common denominator, not even a common one, in order to sow his political seeds and for his own political gain. >> you know, orville rucker has a quite clear knowledge of our history and wants to pull at the worst threads of it because in his mind his base lives in that space. i mean, but there's a lot of contradictory stuff. i want to get your reporter's take here. you had trump tweet out this video that they stole from a user who tried to put up something positive, probably years ago this video went out, that got pulled down.

not only can they not spell toddler, whoever made it, but a weird thing where they were almost trying to portray trumpism as a love cult. so you have that. but then you have donald trump threatening violence at his rally, essentially. do they honestly believe inside the white house or inside the campaign that they are increasing his base in a way that can make it more likely that he will beat joe biden because it doesn't seem likely that any sane person with any campaign experience could think this is helping him. so why is he doing these things? >> well, joy, a couple of things to answer that. first of all, that video literally by definition is fake news created by somebody, perhaps the trump campaign, but nonetheless distributed by the president's millions of followers on twitter. to speak to what the president is trying to do with this rally, the sources i talked to in the white house say he's been cooped

up and frustrated and angry that he's not had the outlet, this ability to get on stage in front of adoring fans and speak to all of his grievances, which he likes to do. this has been a season of turmoil, of crisis, a really disastrous stretch for him politically. he's been so itching to get out there that they're willing to do this rally and take all of these risks just to give him this outlet to do what he wants to do. >> phil, are you saying to me that he is simply bored, the reason he's doing this and risking the health and lives of his own supporters and risking violence in the streets of tulsa, because he's bored? >> well, i don't know that i would say bored, but these rallies have been his life blood throughout the five years he's been a presidential candidate and president and he's now gone three months without them. and he clearly, we've seen, based on his social media

presence has difficulty maintaining attention and focusing on these substantive issues. it's one of the reasons he goes down all of these rabbit holes on twitter which he did with that video last night and with protesters this morning. it is self-destructive behavior, according to some of his advisers, but there's not really anything three and a half years into the presidency that they can do about it to change it. so they have to try to figure out a way to win this campaign with donald trump being donald trump. >> it's hard to understand how anybody sticks around for this. rev, you've known donald trump for quite a long time. you know what he's about. do you get the sense this is a man who thinks that he can win this way or who is just lashing out not even with a plan? do you think that he honestly believes this will work? that saying mail-in voting is the biggest threat to his election and this weird, violent behavior, does he think this will work? >> i think several things that

he thinks. i think that he thinks that he's playing to a base that's bigger than it is. america has moved beyond the rhetoric of a george wallace. you see whites and blacks and asians and native americans and latinos marching together all over this country this is a new kind of manifestation of people wanting to see families. i also think that donald trump is trying to get the john bolton book off the front page, and if he can get a little distraction by people fighting and taking all kinds of rhetorical shots at each other it gets him past the day. he deals with the day. he doesn't think long term. he doesn't think history and he doesn't think as head of state. if he can get a book that accuses him of trying to cut a deal with the president of china off of the front page, we're not talking about john bolton's book and the seriousness of that charge of what he was going to

try to do with the president of china, we're not talking about how a supreme court led by a conservative john roberts defeated his move on daca. he wants us to talk about people fighting over him and fighting in the streets and people on juneteenth in tulsa are not biting the bait. a fish would not get caught if they didn't bite the bait. that would be my message tonight. don't bite the bait. this isn't about trump. it's about moving america forward. >> claire, you have been in governance in a quite conservative state, missouri. how much does this work? do these shows of violence, these shows of force against the majority of the country this is a minority view now, do these shows of force work on a substantial enough number of voters that this could help him in some way?

>> no. the short answer is no, especially women voters. he is really behind with women voters right now. suburban voters are tired of this nonsense. and if you look at the polling, joy, getting technical just for a minimum, if you look at people who feel very strongly about donald trump one way or the other, when you look at polls, those are important numbers to look at. right now his very strong approval is about 21. and his very strong disapproval is like 49. that is catastrophic for a campaign. it leaves few voters in the middle that don't feel strongly and more importantly that drives turnout, how strongly you feel. the fact that he is so down in terms of strong disapproval right now in the country, this is not working for him. in some ways i'm kind of glad he hasn't figured that out because

he continues just he's in the hole and keeps digging making it worse. i don't think there's any way the campaign can save him from himself. >> digging with a pitchfork. reverend al sharpton, thank you very much. really appreciate you coming tonight. we will see more of the work you're doing tonight. former senator claire mccaskill, former congresswoman edwards, we appreciate all of you. as thousands of trump supporters gather in tulsa, a new warning from health officials. the global pandemic is getting worse. plus, the legacy of juneteenth and tulsa's horrifying place in the history of systemic racism in this country. ♪ limu emu & doug

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indoor gathering since the pandemic began. the white house says it is up to each rally attendant to decide whether or not they wear a mask to protect themselves. >> we are administering hand sanitizer, masks to those in attendance should they decide to wear them, and taking temperature checks. >> well this comes as the world health organization announced today we have entered a new and dangerous phase of the pandemic. >> the pandemic is accelerating. more than 150,000 new cases of covid-19 were reported to w.h.o. yesterday, the most in a single day so far. almost half of those cases were reported from the americas. countries are understandably eager to open up their societies and economies but the virus is still spreading fast. >> that warning comes as a number of u.s. states are seeing record numbers of new coronavirus cases including

oklahoma where 100,000 people are expected to be descending on trump's rally. none of that seems to worry trump supporters who have been lining up outside the venue since monday. >> reporter: how concerned are you about the virus? >> i am concerned. i really am. but i really want to see this man speak. i think a lot of him. >> i'm not scared of the coronavirus. i'm not saying it isn't real. the numbers do not add up. it is not as bad as people say. >> what if in world war ii they stayed home for threat of a virus? where would we be? we condition live that way. >> are you kidding? the coronavirus dies around me. >> well, all righty then, i'm joined by dr. fair and the associate professor of

infectious diseases, msnbc medical contributor. so when you hear donald trump supporters talk, they're getting a lot of that from watching right-wing news which reflects what he thinks and from what donald trump himself has said because they see him as a more reliable source of news than the news. in politico trump said it's heading south, meaning it's leaving. in a d.c. interview, it's dying out. in a hannity interview, it's fading away. that seems to be more influential over his supporters than reality. here's dr. fauci sharing his concerns. >> the best way to prevent the spread of infection is to avoid crowds. avoid crowds. if, in fact, for one reason or other you feel compelled to do that, which we don't recommend, then wear a mask at all times.

so when you see situations people aren't doing that, they are in crowds or aren't wearing masks when they are outside, of course that gives us concern about the increased risk of spreading infection. >> what are the chances that the virus could widely spread in that enclosed space? >> you can't put a numerical risk factor on it, but it's very clear the risk exists. >> doctor, i'll start with you on this because a lot of trump supporters say, well, you all aren't saying that about people who are marching about police reform. is there a difference between being in marches outside with masks and being inside an arena with 20,000 people? is the risk different between the two? >> joy, any gathering of people carries a risk. but an indoor rally, particularly one where masks are not required is the epitome of the highest risk activity.

a lot of people, an ability to not keep the physical distancing, people not wearing a mask and people potentially yelling and speaking loudly all of which puts the virus in the surroundings and the virus stays in the air for a couple hours after people have spoken and you sterilized the virus in the air. you have this whole group of people that is just gathering up a concentration of the virus in one place and they're going to all then split apart and go all over the country and who knows how many cases that will cause. we can't put a number on it. we hope it won't be high but chances are a lot more cases than if the rally hadn't been there. the question we're going to ask after this, was it worth it? was all of that worth it? >> you know, dr. fair, you have the w.h.o. warning that the americas are where we're seeing the spikes, that, of course, includes the united states. i can't imagine during ebola or

h1n1 the president of the united states, then barack obama, encouraging people to do the very things that would get them sick. how do we get out of this pandemic if you, depending on what state you live in, what kind of governor you have and what kind of politics are ruling your state you either are getting safe practices or you're not. how do we get out of this? >> i honestly think it's come down to a point it's just going to be our personal responsibility to take care of ourselves because you even see the governors retreating on the safety measures under pressure from the people that want to open back up completely and not wear masks and things like that in certain cases. i think it's going to come down to the individual. i think dr. bhadelia tweeted something about consciously or subconsciously most leaders are trending to the path of herd immunity for us, just letting us experience the virus and get over it or take our own safety

measures and not get it. for me personally i think it will come down to those individual safety measures, if you see a business that is doing business unsafely and you choose not to do business with them anymore. the same with airlines, with everything else in your life. that will have to be life until we get a vaccine or we have some abatement of the pandemic. >> would you advise or do you support what new york state is doing saying, hey, if you're coming from florida, seeing spikes and has a governor who is trumpian and i don't want to do too much to stop it, they're saying you have to be quarantined for 14 days if you come to new york. is that the right thing to do? >> i think it's probably an appropriate measure. new york got upset when florida did that to them early on in the pandemic. that being said it's not going to be a perfect system. it is good. it helps you watch over for people, make them aware that there is a system in place and you're trying to keep track of them. it still comes down to personal responsibility.

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trump will land in tulsa, oklahoma, the site of his first rally since the start of the coronavirus pandemic. nbc's calip perry is in the greenwood. he has a report for us. cal, take it away. >> reporter: 100 years after the massacre this was an economic center of power for black america even though segregation was taking place and you had a jealous white community coming here and massacre the community. now on the backdrop of that plus the black lives matter movement plus juneteenth the president is holding a rally tomorrow. i'm joined by jerome whamt do you think about the president choosing to hold a rally tomorrow? >> they have the right to do that. everybody that supports him in my personal opinion i think he's just doing it for the votes. they said it was about the covid thing but i think that was a n bunch of bs. we're celebrating.

look at the turnout that we're having. nothing but positive. >> reporter: do you think he personally pick tulsa? >> of course. but with him you never know. he's so unpredictable. one minute he's this way and the next another way. at the end of the day he is who he is. we are who we are. we're excited about being out here in the historic greenwood area, we're out here having a good time. that's what it's about. we're excited to be here. >> reporter: thank you very much. be well. joy, it's an absolutely celebratory atmosphere, lots of families and kids. tomorrow the concern is we will see counter demos to the trump rally. it's only about 0.8 of a mile from where i am. the national guard will be on the street. people will wait to see how that shakes out, joy. >> all right, thank you very much, cal perry. i think the elbow bump survives the pandemic era. a d

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welcome back. amid the national outcry over racial injustice we've been reminded of two important lessons from america's past that you may not have learned in history class. the first is the lesson of today, juneteenth, a holiday celebrated by millions across this country each year. it commemorates the day that all african-americans in every corner of this nation were officially free from slavery. the date itself marks the occasion in 1865 when the last remaining enslaved african-americans in the country then living in the most remote slave state, texas, were finally granted freedom by the union army. it came more than two years after the emancipation proclamation. that's the historic significance of this day. and it's why senator kamala harris and others are introducing a bill to designate juneteenth as an official

federal holiday. but it's also why so many were shocked to learn last week that donald trump had initially planned to relaunch his campaign on this day in a city known for one of the worst racist massacres in american history, and that's the second lesson and it's coming up next. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do. we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can take care of things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. right now is the time to take care of what matters most. like we've done together, so many times before. discover all the ways we're helping members at usaa.com/coronavirus

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rescheduled it for tomorrow. but the date of the rally isn't the only thing sparking outrage during this time of racial tension. it's also trump's choice of location, tulsa, oklahoma. a city that still grapples with a dark past. it was there almost a century ago a hostile white mob unleashed violence on the district of greenwood, a prosperous african-american enclave known as black wall street. the massacre at that ensued ranks amongst the worst in u.s. history with white rioters looting and burning it to the ground. martial law was declared but according to the tulsa historical society law enforcement only contributed to the violence that unfolded. churches, schools, and more than 1,000 homes were torched. 35 city blocks were completely leveled leaving the surviving residents to pick through the rubble of hollowed out home. that day of violence left only the charred remains of a once vibrant neighborhood.

and while historians today are still picking up the pieces they believe as many as 300 people were slaughtered. the search for victims continues to this day with the excavation of a cemetery there. i'm journal by a professor and staff writer at the new yorker and scott ellsworth university of michigan historian and author of "the groundbreaking: an american city and its search for justice about reckoning with the tulsa massacre." professor, i'm going to go to you first. scott ellsworth, i want to go to you first. the thing so striking is the extent to which this tulsa massacre was erased even from the history books in tulsa, that people aren't conversant with it. i am curious to know are there oral histories of what white residents said about this era? that kind of violence lives and exists in the hearts and minds

of people on both sides of it. >> well, absolutely and i think it's important to note that the massacre was absolutely suppressed, actively suppressed for decades. neither of tulsa's white newspapers would public an article about the massacre. official records disapoerd and individuals who tried to bring it up or research it were threatened with their lively hoods and at least in one case with their lives. historically they have been reluctant to talk about it. i started doing interviews in the 1970s. it was rare to find any whites that would talk about it. only recently, the last 30 years, a few will talk about it but it's often handed down stories. but certainly never a single one of the looters or murderers speak with anyone on record. >> and to stay with you for just a moment, the fact that you had

the air force bomb this area, that they came in not to help to save these people's lives but to bomb the city, that you had churches burned, supposed christians burning down churches and that insurance companies wouldn't even look at those claims and wouldn't pay back -- has there ever been any restitution to the families of those black victims in tulsa or by the state of oklahoma? >> no. no serious restitution. 20 years ago during the era of the tulsa race riot commission there was an effort to try and win reparations, more than 100 massacre survivors alive at that point. politically we failed and there was a lawsuit launched as well by professor charles ogletree. it made it through the united states district courts, a split decision and court of appeals, but the supreme court would not

accept the case. so, no, no serious restitution at all for either the survivors or their descendents. >> let me bring you into the conversation. the tulsa riot has been something fixated in my mind. my mother was born eight years after it so it's not ancient history. and i wonder how you reckon with this idea people who are probably the children or grandchildren of enslaved people build this place that is affluent, has of this, doing what the reconstruction republicans said this is what you should do, build your own thing. the fact it's burned to the ground and gone and it's just gone and gone from the memory, what is wrong with the way that we look at our history that we can't face that? >> well, joy, there are a few things happening here. one of which is that in the united states people have typically confused and conflated

history with a resume. you think the resume talks about all of your virtues and all of your achievements and history is supposed to be a much more candid assessment of what's actually happened. and there's a great deal of reluck tans to do that. when the country is the exemplary nation, it can't talk honestly about what it has done in its past. now one thing that i do want to make sure that we understand is that tulsa was typical, so it happened in the context of many purges like this, many racial grounds that happened in the united states. the same thing happened in chicago. the same thing happened in elaine, arkansas. the same thing happened in rosewood in florida. the same thing in washington, d.c., in the same time period, in east st. louis. and you can go on and on. in atlanta there were about 15 years earlier similar attacks

that was targeting the prosperous black business community there. if you went back to the 19th century the famous crusading b. gets her start because some african-american friends of hers were lynched. so there is an actual pattern here. this is not something we look at as a one-time event and say, we don't understand how this anomaly took place. no, this is actually the norm, not the exception. >> it is also the heart of the lynching era. you had this reclamation period after the civil war where there was this bloody vengeance taken out on world war i returning soldiers for daring to wear their uniforms. there is also this wave that memory is used for politics on the other side of it, that white memory is used to flip even

horrible events to say, no, no, this is how we're looking out for you. i'm going to give you an example. ronald reagan, who was elected 12 years after martin luther king was murdered. he goes to mississippi. he goes to philadelphia, mississippi, the same place where those civil rights workers were murdered. i think we have some b roll of that and he talks about believing in state's rights and he rallies to this all white crowd. here is just a little bit of his speech. >> for trying to reorder those priorities and to restore the state community those functions which go on there. >> it is very hard for me to believe, jelani, that it is accidental that donald trump surrounded by the quote, alt

right people around him accidentally tried to plan a rally in tulsa on juneteenth because that is the history that the republican party -- they have used it before. the dixiecrats have used it before. >> sure. it is a knock off of the reagan.