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politics over pandemic. >> i would take a chance. i get that virus, but i'm not going to get that virus. one night of chaos at the department of justice. attorney general bill barr says the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york is stepping down, but here's the catch. he says he's not going anywhere. and 800,000 dreamers got a reprieve this week, but is the supreme court's decision really the final decision? velshi starts now. good morning. it is saturday, june the 20th. i'm ali velshi. overnight the department of justice announced the replacement. united states attorney for the southern district of new york, an attorney who led prosecutions against and investigations into several trump associates. but geoffrey berman, the head of new york's southern district, fired back saying contrary to what trump and barr said, he

didn't resign and he won't step down until the senate confirms his successor. quote, until then our investigations will move forward without delay or interruption. i'll have much more on that stand-off in just a bit. but we begin this morning in tulsa, oklahoma, where donald j. trump, the 45th president of the united states, finds himself on the wrong side of history once again. trump is simply turning a blind eye to the major events around him. surging coronavirus cases in a handful of states and nationwide protests against racial inequality made even louder by the celebration of juneteenth which marks the end of all slavery in the united states. instead, trump is putting the well-being of his constituents and his followers at risk by asking them to turn out for a campaign rally in the age of coronavirus. this is the first major gathering of its kind in the united states, potentially in the world at a 19,000-seat indoor arena in tulsa as that

state continues to experience elevated covid numbers. nbc news reporting that doctors anthony fauci and deborah birx vocalized concerns about the safety of holding a rally in tulsa at this time. lest we forget, the campaign forced attendees to sign a waiver in case they get sick. >> given that the campaign had attendee tess rally on saturday sign a waiver to indemnify them if they get sick, would the president contributing to a fund if we see sickness coming out of it? >> i think it's a hypothetical and speculative question. >> all of this comes after trump consistently found himself on the wrong side of history. this week was a disaster even by trump's standards. he faced a fair of defeats before the supreme court. the high court that he touts for stacking with conservative

justices, well, it ruled against him twice. the first decision that gay and transgender individuals cannot be fired from their jobs because of their sexual orientation. that majority ruling authored by justice neil gorsuch, a trump appointee. the second decision, a rejection of the trump administration's efforts to end the program that allows nearly 800,000 daca recipients to remain in the united states. then trump faced an onslaught of criticism surrounding the release of the upcoming book by his former national security advisor, john bolton, who painted a picture of a dangerously ignorant and uninformed president. >> i don't think he's fit for office. i don't think he has the competence to carry out the job. there really isn't any guiding principle that i was able to discern other than what's good for donald trump's re-election. >> and last but not least, several polls released this week, including one from fox news, showed the tides of the

2020 presidential election continuing to turn toward joe biden. all of the polls showing donald trump behind by 8 to 12 points and behind in all swing states. joining me now, phil rucker, white house bureau chief with "the washington post" and michael steel, former chair for the republican national committee. good morning to both of you, good to see you. michael, let me start with you. this rally today, this is the kickoff, it was planned for a while. the kickoff to donald trump's campaign because he is really tired of being stuck inside and not being at these rallies that he really feeds off of. but boy, the timing is interesting because it comes after, as i just articulated, a very, very, very rough week for the president. >> yeah, and that's really the only timing that matters. the president has been taking a number of shots recently as a result of the depression in the economy, certainly the civil unrest on the murder of george floyd and of course covid-19,

which has been an underlying thread since january or february. so for him, this is a matter of how he begins to turn the narrative around, how he begins to shape the stories that you're going to be reporting on, ali. and that's what the president's main goal here. he's not concerned about whether someone gets sick two weeks from now, he's concerned what people think about him two minutes from now. so he's trying to focus and refocus the discussion around the things he wants to talk about. so his tweets have sort of been a precursor to that leading up to the rally today, and i think you're going to see donald trump in all his donald trumpness because the energy in that room, 19,000 people, no masks, screaming and yelling at everything he says, will be more for him in that moment than anything else that's happened over the last six months. >> donald trump in all his

donald trumpness. phil rucker, that's something you know because you've co-authored a book on donald trump. but i'm curious, given the book that came out from john bolton, what's new to you about it? a lot of it is reinforcement of things we already know from your book. what surprised you in what john bolton had to say? >> you know, ali, just the breadth of the alleged misconduct by the president was striking in bolton's book. you know, all of these anecdotes that bolton unspooled in his memoir which were carefully recorded in his notepads in realtime speak to broader things that we already knew about this president, but there were specific moments in particular, the president's conversations with the chinese president, xi jinping, in which trump asked xi for assistance in winning re-election in 2020. that is against the law. remember, that's what he got impeached for as it relates to ukraine. here we have from his own

national security advisor an example of the same conduct and behavior happening with china. so that is striking. i don't know that there are going to be any actual legal ramifications for the president. you know, it's up to the democrats in congress about whether they would want to bring impeachment charges again against him, although certainly that's possible. but it does five months before an election paint a very troubling portrait of a president who believes he's above the law. >> i just want to show you, we've got a shot of tulsa, oklahoma. people already lined up. people have been up overnight waiting to get into this rally. you can see virtually nobody wearing a mask. i see a guy in the front row on the right side of the screen with a mask on. the guy behind him has a big beard so that doesn't actually counting but no masks at the moment. michael steele, donald trump, regardless of what reporters often ask him answers with a couple of questions, right? he'll often say the economy or the courts. he uses it as shorthand. he doesn't even sometimes

describe the whole thing. >> right. >> we now have a situation where the economy is in big trouble and the courts didn't work for him this week. that's the stuff that keeps his base with him. >> yeah, it is. but, you know, it's interesting. i think that with respect to the economy, what i've been hearing from various folks is they don't necessarily hold the president responsible for that. they think that there were obviously other factors like covid-19. a lot of folks sort of fall into the view that, you know, this is because the democrats wouldn't cooperate, democratic governors in particular didn't cooperate with the president, et cetera, et cetera. so he's got a little bit of a space there that he works with on the economy. the supreme court is a different animal, which is why he came out this week and reiterated that i'm going to -- i'm creating another list and we're going to have really true conservatives on a list because there's some concern about the two appointments that he's made and

whether or not a roberts court really is a conservative court. so they're going to use this as a motivator, an energizer, for his base going into the fall to re-elect him, to give him the opportunity to make the court a 7-2 conservative court or something like that. but they haven't fallen off of him yet on this. we'll see as the economy -- the summer rolls out -- the economy rolls out over the summer how that plays when you get to september. but right now the president still has a little bit of room. thus, 19,000 people standing outside waiting to see him. >> phil rucker, we have got 8.6 million, almost 8.7 million global coronavirus infections, 460,000 people dead around the world, 2.2 million infections in the united states. so almost a quarter of all cases in the world are in the united states. 119,000 deaths in the u.s.

that's more people than died in the first world war. you tweeted out that public health experts are warning that mike pence, who is ostensibly in charge of the coronavirus battle, is not taking this seriously. >> well, ali, he's certainly not taking it as seriously as he did in the beginning of the pandemic because we no longer have public briefings. there's no longer guidance and recommendations coming from the white house to the public. if you were to let the public health officials and infectious disease experts within our government address the public, they would tell you that the footage we're seeing right now on our tv screens is wrong, is unsafe, should not be happening in american cities. people should be social distanced, they should be wearing masks, they should not be gathering at rallies. but that is inconsistent with what the president wants to do politically and so what you have in vice president pence, chairman of the coronavirus task force, is somebody compliant who's going to go out there and

execute what the president wants done. right now the president wants to be returning to the campaign trail holding large rallies and so you have pence writing an op-ed as he did a few days ago in "the wall street journal" basically refuting the predictions that there's going to be a dangerous second wave and that it's safe now for americans to get back to some sense of normalcy. >> and we're still looking at those live pictures of tulsa where there is no social distancing going on. thanks to you, phil rucker, white house bureau chief for "the washington post" and my old friend, michael steele, former chair of the republican national committee. overnight chaos at the department of justice. the administration tries to oust the attorney for the southern district of new york who oversaw the prosecutions of multiple trump associates, including michael cohen. but geoffrey berman says he's not going anywhere. his message to the white house after this. you're watching "velshi." [♪]

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a stand-off overnight at the department of justice. attorney general william barr announcing in a doj press release that geoffrey berman, the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york will be stepping down. berman has held some of the biggest prosecutions against trump associates, including that of his personal lawyer, michael cohen. roughly an hour after barr's statement dropped, berman, this man, fired back writing i learned in a press release from the attorney general tonight

that i was stepping down as united states attorney. i have not resigned, and i have no intention of resigning my position to which i was appointed by the judges of the united states district court for the southern district of new york. the attempted removal of berman seems to be president trump's latest effort at bending the justice department to his will and to corral the most independent u.s. attorney's office in the country. the man announced as berman's replacement is jay clayton. clayton is currently the chairman of the securities and exchange commission and has never served as a prosecutor, surprise, surprise. another unqualified trump loyalist. if confirmed, clayton would be the first non-prosecutor to lead the most important district, the southern district of new york. joining me now, mimi rocah, a former u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york, a candidate for district attorney in neighboring westchester county. mimi, good to see you again,

it's been a while. let's just remind our viewers of the relevance of the southern district of new york in general and specifically as it has to do with donald trump. >> hi, ali, great to see you. yeah, so the southern district of new york, as you said, has historically been the most independent u.s. attorney's office in the country. and in fact we know through reporting over the past several years, but particularly right before kind of the covid crisis hit, there was a lot of information coming out about investigations of trump, the trump organization, michael cohen, as you mentioned earlier was actually prosecuted in the southern district of new york and pled guilty there, and i think most recently the reporting was focusing on rudy giuliani and the possibility of campaign finance and possibly

fraud schemes with some other individuals, you know. so it looked to me, it sounded to me just from public reporting like the southern district was circling the wagons, as we say, on rudy giuliani. and so the timing of this does, of course, obviously raise the distinct possibility that the southern district was getting ready to act on something and that's why this came in the middle of the night seemingly out of the blue. >> so here's a question for you that you and i have discussed in the past. clearly the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york in some fashion works for the executive branch and serves tez pleasure of the president, and that would make this possibly unseemly. but if this speculation turns out to be true, that they were circling the wagons around something that had to do with donald trump or rudy giuliani or some -- one of the trump businesses or the trump family

or something like that, does it cross a line from unseemly into improper and possibly illegal? >> absolutely. and let's talk about the circumstances of what happened here, right, because this is what barr is going to do, try to do his executive power, the president -- the people serve at the will of the president. first of all, barr did this and lied. we can't just skip over that. last night bill barr, the attorney general of the united states, lied in writing and said that u.s. attorney berman had resigned. thank goodness that geoff berman has the integrity and the courage, which is short supply in this administration, to stand up very quickly and say in writing i did not resign and i'm not going anywhere. so why -- first of all, why is bill barr trying to get rid of him and why was bill barr lying about it? he knew he couldn't get away

with just firing him. i don't know if he thought berman would just be quiet about it, but thankfully -- and i think this has to go stated, because it's unusual for people to stand up and speak the truth in this administration and geoff berman did. and the other thing that's really notable to me about this whole situation is not only that it, again, was done abruptly in the middle of the night with bill barr lying about it, but why are they in such a hurry to get rid of berman? because even if there was some legitimate argument that he could be replaced, why are you not waiting until a senate confirmed u.s. attorney can come in? why are you putting in an acting u.s. attorney from another district, from new jersey. that's what they did. they said temporarily until someone else can be confirmed we are putting in the new jersey u.s. attorney as an acting u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york.

that is unprecedented. normally what would happen is that the deputy u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york would become the acting. that's what happened when preet bharara was fired. that's what happened every time that any other u.s. attorney has stepped down voluntarily. so this tells me that there's some time pressure here. they needed to get berman and his staff out quickly, and that is deeply concerning. >> so this is the kind of conversation, mimi, that you and i would be having about an authoritarian regime, right, where they replace people with loyalists. here's a question, rachel tweeted last night, who's got control over the files and the office right now? and tom winter, who's going to be joining us in the 9:00 hour, says that he knows that geoff berman walks around with a bag, he describes it the size of a small car. this guy carries his stuff around with him. this becomes a real issue. who's got the files? who controls the documents? who controls the office right

now? >> well, fortunately in this day and age everything is basically on the computer. i mean there are not a lot of paper files, though i saw rachel's tweet and i appreciated the thought and the question. she's right in a different sense, which is are they going to attempt at some point to lock berman out of the department of justice computer system? i mean it's not like anyone can just get into that. look, that would be the equivalent of steealing files. they can't lock out all of the prosecutors in the office, though. geoff berman is very popular in that office because he has tried so hard to maintain the independent of this office of the southern district of new york throughout the trump administration. so i think if something like that is attempted, there will be plenty of people in that office who will make sure that the information somehow gets out.

but that is -- that is what the equivalent would be, it would be locking him out of the computer system. >> what a remarkable set of developments. you've been -- yeah. >> i was just going to say, i do think it's important, as you note, to use the right language here, right. this is dictatorial style conduct by bill barr. and again, the fact that he lied about it and that he's trying to push him out so quickly and berman's staff is what really has alarm bells going off for me. >> yeah, there's so much that we've been reporting on in the last few months that cal perry and i were saying the other night, we would use different language if we were reporting it on a different country. it's kind of fascinating that it's happening in our own. mimi, thanks for joining me again. mimi rocah is the former united states attorney for the southern district of new york and a district attorney candidate in new york's westchester county.

after a months-long hiatus because of coronavirus, president trump is back on the campaign trail today. he's holding a huge rally in tulsa, oklahoma, which will probably be the biggest event in the country if not the world since coronavirus. nbc news reporting that doctors anthony fauci and deborah birx both vocalized concerns internally in the last week about the safety of holding this rally at this time. let's go to nbc news reporter janelle ross who's outside the bok center in tulsa. good morning, janelle, what's the situation there? there are a whole lot of people and not a whole lot of masks i see around you. >> reporter: yeah, that is true. there certainly are some people with masks on. i think probably about a thousand people who have lined up at or near the bok center to try to secure a spot. it is a 19,000-person facility. certainly there's a healthy showing already this morning. i think there -- i spoke with

many people yesterday who had lined up, some who planned to camp out overnight, and i think what you have here are people who are real trump devotees. in addition to that, many people who really sincerely believe that the coronavirus epidemic has been blown out of proportion or discussions of the epidemic have been blown out of proportion so they are perhaps not adds concerned adds other people might be about gathering in an indoor facility. >> and they're going to be out there for several more hours, right? this rally is tonight. >> reporter: yeah, they're going to be waiting for several more hours for many reasons. in addition to the time of the rally, there are understandably several layers of security here that one has to pass through, so this is going to be quite a wait. those who are gathered up closely together are going to be in this position for quite a while. >> janelle, thank you for joining us from oklahoma. janelle ross in tulsa.

as demonstrationins and protests against police brutality continue, the issue is front and center on capitol hill as the house and the senate each take up their own police reform bills. tactics like the use of chokeholds and no-knock warrants used in the death of breonna taylor in louisville seem to be two areas where the bills have yet to find common ground. the democrat-led house bill would altogether ban chokeholds and eliminate no-knock warrants in federal drug cases. the senate republican version only discourages chokeholds and at the bare minimum requires agencies to report when no-knock warrants are used. the senate bill also leaves in place something called qualified immunity which largely protects police from being personally liable for their actions on the job, no matter how egregious they are. joining me now, illinois congressman who's been outspoken about the need for police reform and is a co-sponsor of the justice and policing act.

congressman, good to see you this morning. tell me what the road forward looks like because this is not as partisan as some things. it's kinds of surprising that there's bipartisanship on the idea that something has to happen, there is simply disagreement on what that something looks like. tell me what this looks like going forward. >> i think the road involves votes. next week we're going to be voting on the justice and policing reform act on the floor. there's about 230 co-sponsors, so almost the entire caucus on the democratic side is supportive, so i imagine it's going to pass. and so the question is whether this would be taken up in the senate and what mitch mcconnell is going to do. >> you know, in the senate, congressman tim scott of south carolina is leading the charge. he actually said, he was talking about his own fear as an african-american of police. he said even today when i have the privilege as serving as a united states senator, i'm not immune to being stopped while

driving at home or even while walking onto the grounds of the capitol. each time i hold my breath and each time i've been able to exhale and go about my business, thank god. he wrote this. there seems to at least be in tim scott someone on the republican side -- >> yes. >> -- with empathy about what african-americans go through. >> i think that's right. i think senator scott brings an important perspective in the republican caucus. i think our big concern, ali, is that the proposal that's been put on the table by the republicans led by senator scott, it seems toothless. it encouraging reform but it doesn't mandate it. and i believe that we're in a moment where the american people are demanding that these reforms be mandated. no chokeholds, no no-knock warrants, that there be a national registry for police misconduct and that, you know, we finally do something significant and substantive with

regard to ending systemic racism and its manifestation in terms of police misconduct and brutality toward people of color. >> congressman, i want to ask you one thing about the conversation i was just having with mimi rocah about the sudden, strange removal of the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york overnight. he says he has not stepped down and he's not stepping down and he's not relinquishing these files. you're a member of the house intelligence committee. you've been directly involved with some of the things that have overlapped with what the southern district of new york continues to look into. what do you make of this development? >> i think first, they don't have the right to dismiss him. as you know, he was appointed by the southern district of new york to fill this position. but secondly and more interestingly, i think the reason why they're trying to terminate him is because he is hot on the trail of several allies of president trump who have engaged in misconduct.

for instance, he's pursuing a case against rudy giuliani. we've already seen the southern district go after lev parnas and igor fruman, remember those folks from the fall. and the fact that they have made these tremendous contributions to the president's super pac and engaged in a lot of other misconduct, conspiracy violations and campaign finance violations, i think that is the reason why the president wants to get rid of berman, because berman is hot on his trail. >> congressman, good to see you this morning. thank you for joining me. a member of the house intelligence and oversight and reform committees. coming up next, bombshells in john bolton's new tell-all book fraught with claims of impeachable offenses. what the former national security advisor says is the driving force behind each and every trump decision. you're watching "velshi" on msnbc. msnbc. you'll get 2 years or 20,000 miles

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one of president trump's several former national security advisers made major headlines this week with his account of trump's white house. john bolton's book "the room where it happened" contained all the salacious details we're accustomed to hearing from some of the many former members of the trump white house but he cranked them up to a 10. not one known to hold back his views, bolton had a lot to say about trump's foreign policy, including that he has a, quote, penchant to give personal favors to dictators he liked. putin plays him like a fiddle. kim jong-un made him ill. and trump's handling of venezuela was, quote, painful to watch. trump's last-minute decision to call off a retaliatory strike against iran, bolton called the most irrational thing i've ever witnessed any president do. bolton also discussed the ukraine scandal and how trump's fishing for foreign re-election

help was not a unique event and included china. in the end, bolton says trump is a national security threat who committed impeachable offenses and that he, quote -- he is, quote, hard pressed to identify any significant trump decision during my tenure that wasn't driven by re-election calculations, endi quote. but if that's all the case, why did bolton wait until he could take his information to the bank before going public? joining me now, foreign affairs columnist for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst david ignatius. he writes that john bolton's book is full of startling revelations that he should have told us sooner. joining us as well, malcolm nance, former senior chief petty office in the united states navy who spent three decades in the intelligence community. he's also an msnbc terrorism analyst and author of "the plot to betray america, how team trump embraced our enemies, compromised our security and how we can fix it." david, good morning. let me start with you.

>> good morning. >> not everything in bolton's book is a surprise. some of the texture and detail is new and interesting, but he says that he thinks donald trump committed more impeachable offenses than he was tried for in the united states senate, and he's actually a national security threat. fascinating that he had all this information and he didn't come forth with it when the entire country was clamoring to hear from him. >> fascinating is one word. shocking is another. i argued in reviewing bolton's book that he had a duty to share the information that he had about the president's misconduct and just general abuse of his office when it was being investigated. an impeachment proceeding is the most serious constitutional remedy we have for presidential misdoing. it is disturbing that bolton wasn't part of that. the reader asks now he tells me

after all the trielals are over? even though, ali, the detail that you cited in this book is extraordinary. as much as you think you know about donald trump's behavior in the white house, you're going to learn a lot more reading this book. >> malcolm, this is like the liars and the truth tellers. you don't really know who to believe. mike pompeo, secretary of state, has tweeted about john bolton's book, i've not read the book but from the excerpts i've seen published, john bolton is telling a number of lies. john bolton is not a widely liked fellow but he's been in the foreign policy circles for a while, national security circles for a while, and his accounts line up with other things we know to be true about donald trump. but how do you evaluate something like this as a guy who did this for a living, evaluating intel? >> well, to be quite honest, i think that bolton has come out and he's written this bombshell book and he is going to give us all these wonderful salacious

details that bob woodward's book had before and other books had before him and it will make for wonderful polite conversation at georgetown salons. it did not help this nation one bit. i mean why would he have kept things that were clearly violations of the law to himself? in my position for anyone else, anyone else who held a top secret sci security clearance for three decades, if you saw a crime or you saw activities which were damaging to the national security of the united states, you had a personal obligation to call that in. this man is without all honor. the only word that can come to mind that can characterize what he's doing is grifting. he literally is selling what he knows when he could have saved the nation. he decided to choose to get some money for himself.

>> david, what do you do about this at this point? the information is out there. it's information that could have been used in the impeachment but wasn't. what is meant to happen next? is this just something that is left to voters to figure out in the election? >> well, the question of the book's distribution and where the profits from the book will go is in litigation and that will take some time. my simple answer is that citizens of the country ought to try to read the book or read extended excerpts of it. the book is going to be out. it's in the hands of distributors around the country. and i'd urge people to make every effort to read about what the president has done and said over these three years affecting foreign policy. john bolton is a very self-interested person, but he kept meticulous notes. he's one of those people who

just never let a phone call, a memo, an aside in the corridor go by without jotting it down. so it's all there in the book. and i think people have a responsibility really to read it, think about what it's telling them about this president's leadership. the impeachment process is past. we now have been election where we'll decide whether this president continues in office. we get to decide. and people should read the book. i think it will be helpful in making the decision. >> i have to read a quote from your review of it. you say bolton is the hero of nearly every anecdote. for a memoir that is candid about many things, his lack of self-criticism is one of the book's significant shortcomings. malcolm nance, for republicans, law and order republicans, national security republicans who under normal circumstances would be very troubled by the idea that the president is making deals with adversaries or holding others with threats,

this book, as david says, should embarrass them. >> it certainly should embarrass them. and i have to give great props to david's review about that book because he's calling out these characteristics are not just john bolton but of all the republicans. they are in it for themselves. they are not in it for this nation. you know, it should be embarrassing in the sense that they used to believe that the united states was exceptional, and now they believe that the united states can make exceptions. we can make exceptions to talk to the north korean dictator who mass murders his civilians. we can make exemptions for the ex-kgb officer who literally tried to engineer or did engineer an american election and corrupt our fundamental principles. they no longer care. what you are looking at is not patriotism. you are looking at tribalism. and donald trump is the leader of their aryan tribe and they don't seem to have any problem selling the flag of the united

states out. >> thank you to both of you for joining us. malcolm nance is a career intelligence community official and author of "the plot to betray america, how team trump embraced our enemies, compromised our security and how we can fix it." david ignatius, has a new book out, part of a saeries he's written. thanks to both of you for joining me this morning. america's economic systems are plagued by racism causing debilitating poverty. what one group is doing to fight poverty today. >> how is it that you can say the war on poverty failed when it is politicians who defunded that war? funded th at war

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i've been saying that the rally in tulsa tonight is going to be the biggest gathering in the world in the time of coronavirus, but actually there's a bigger gathering today. it's just not going to be in a hall with 19,000 people. the poor peoples campaign is holding a virtual march today to bring attention to poverty and racial injustice. the march, modeled after reverend martin luther king's last organizing event in 1968, will live stream speakers talking about living in poverty in some of the nation's most rural and deindustrialized

areas. for too long the accepted thinking has been that fixing poverty or education or health care would cost too much. but since the 2008 financial crisis, we've seen that we do have the resources to spend. i spoke to nobel prize-winning economist joseph stiglitz who wrote a book about the price of inequality about this very topic. >> obviously there are limited resources, but the point is what we do with those resources is a matter of choice. and there are enough resources for us to deal with the major problem. if we wanted to win the war on poverty, we could win that war. if we wanted to win the war to have a safe environment, we could win that war. so it's not the lack of resources, it's the lack of political will, the lack -- the wrong prioritization. >> with a country in a recession right now, we aren't likely to

see poverty decrease any time soon. we know we've got the money to solve these problems for the long term so why aren't we choosing to use those resources to end poverty? with me now is the dr. reverend william barber and dr. liz th theoharris. reverend dr. barber, dlet me start with you. the argument that it's too expensive to fix this doesn't hold water but it requires a shift in our mentality about how poverty is solved. we've thought about it as charity, we've thought about it as throwing good money after bad. what is that shift required to get us to solve this problem once and for all? >> well, we have to, first of all, stop lying about the scarcity and tell the truth that we have all the money we need. secondly, we have to loose ourselves from this neo liberalism argument that if you

fix things at the top and fixes the middle class and realize you lift from the bottom. then we have to realize that it costs more for poverty to exist than for us to fix it. right now if we instituted a $15 minimum wage, for instance, we could a $15 minimum wage, we could lift 49 million people out of poverty. if we did a housing wage, we could lift 83 million people out of poverty and pump millions of dollars into the economy. one of the things we've been do is measurements. what we found out is it costs more in terms of economics and costs more in lives. we could save lives and save the economy if we lift from the bottom and fix poverty. today we have more than 200 facebook streams going out, nearly 150, 160,000 people who

rsvped and said we're going to be a part of this mass movement moral march on washington today. >> i'll be streaming it today. we have a health crisis in this country. we have a social justice crisis in this country. they're linked to pofverty. if people earned a living wage, it would contribute to social justice, to fewer people dying of coronavirus. >> this is so true. we know there were 62 million people that make less than a living wage in this country. if those folks made a living wage people wouldn't have had to go to work sick with the coronavirus, infect others. we know we have 11 million people homeless in this country. when they were told to shelter in polilace and had no place to

shelter, all that happened was the inequalities were the fissures that spread this pandemic further. the u.s. has more deaths from this virus than any other nation in the world despite paying more for health care. it doesn't have to be this way. we could invest in health and raise the living wages. we could, therefore, not just be more equipped as a nation to handle the pandemic, we could improve lives for the majority of people in this nation. just one military contract would pay for expanding medicaid in 14 states across the country. you can't say that we don't are the resources to do it. right now we have a lack of political will. that's why people are rising up together in the thousands, in the millions today as part of the moral march on washington.

folks can find it online. please join us in this fight for justice for everyone. >> reverend dr. barber, when you add it what it would cost to give everybody a $15 minimum wage, the numbers pale in comparison to what we have spent in emergency aid. i want to put a map up to show where poverty exists in the country. a lot of the states are rural. how do we deal with that particular problem? look at those dark colored states, the deep purple and the slightly lighter purple. how do we up lift the rural and industrial parts of this country? >> we gave 84% of the money responding to coronavirus giving to corporation and not to poor people and the people who were working.

we know the money is in our military. if we cut one military budget, we could provide 945,000 jobs in fixing infrastructure and a lot of it would be in rural areas. look at that map again. it's rural, but it's southern. let me connect it to systemic racism. everyone of those states that has the highest poverty rates are the states with the most voter suppression. people get elect through racist voter suppression. they get elected and once they get elected they block health care, they block living wages, they block the things that would lift people out of poverty and they hurt mostly white people in rural numbers. it proves racism is targeted at black people, but it's ultimately against all people. we have to have a new political imagination. we have to expand the electorate. everyone of those states, if you

organize poor people around an agenda, they can fundamentally shift the political calculus. that's why we have to put a face on this problem and show every day people who deal with it. we're changing the narrative. building power. registering people to vote. we can shift the south, the rural areas, black and white people working together, and brown people. we're seeing that happen. a movement has to do it. when we do that, we can change the country. that's what we're focusing on in this movement. >> i want to remind everybody out there who has been participating in these demonstrationings for social justice, today is a big one. reverend dr. william barber, thank you for what you're doing. i'm involved in this. you can watch the national call

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good morning. i'm ali velshi. the department of justice announced the replacement of the united states attorney for the southern district of new york who led prosecutions against and investigations into several trump associates. that attorney says he isn't actually stepping down just yet. amid the ongoing police reform and equality movement people celebrated juneteenth, the date a u.s. general informed people slaves were free. they were the last enslaved americans to get that message. it was originally scheduled to be the day president trump held his first campaign rally. following major partisan backlash the rally is being held tonight. the location is tulsa, oklahoma. it also fits into trump's desire