good morning. i'm ali velshi. the department of justice announced the replacement of the united states attorney for the southern district of new york who led prosecutions against and investigations into several trump associates. that attorney says he isn't actually stepping down just yet. amid the ongoing police reform and equality movement people celebrated juneteenth, the date a u.s. general informed people slaves were free. they were the last enslaved americans to get that message. it was originally scheduled to be the day president trump held his first campaign rally. following major partisan backlash the rally is being held tonight. the location is tulsa, oklahoma. it also fits into trump's desire to play the race game. 99 years ago tulsa was the

location of one of america's worst race massacres. tulsa's mayor said the campaign never consulted them about the rally. the mayor imposed a curfew for the area near the rally which caused officers to remove supporters. however, that curfew was lifted yesterday following what certainly seems to be political pressure from the president. speaking of trump, yesterday he directly threatened americans who are against his rally. any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or low lives, please understand you won't be treated like you have in new york, seattle or minneapolis. it will be a different scene. trump says the largest rally post pandemic era is going to be a wild evening. those words are likely what

members of the coronavirus task force wanted to hear. oklahoma is one of several states across the country which continues to see a steady rise in covid-19 cases and hospitalizations. rally attendees are not required to wear masks, nor is it possible to socially distance. >> this will be my 36th rally in 19 different states. >> we're here to support our president and people are trying to stop us from doing that. >> if i get it, i get it. if i don't, i don't. >> it's a slap in the face to the black community, the history of what happened back in 1921, the race massacre. you're on holy ground. for the president or his staff or whoever to plan or schedule a rally on a day that we celebrate

freedom and being the 99th year of the massacre, it's a disgrace. it's beyond bitter. it's hurtful. >> this all comes at the tail end of a bad week for trump which includes dual losses in the supreme court on gay rights and daca. the publication of john bolton's revealing new book. twitter and facebook removing several of his campaign ads and a fox news poll showing him down 12 points against joe biden. trump played to select corners of his base saying he's heard interesting things about roswell. that's the site of an alleged ufo event in 1947 which is odd considering he has access to all government intelligence. trump is putting 19,000 of his

followers in danger of catching and spreading one of the most contagious diseases in recent american history. morgan radford joins me from tulsa. morgan, what are you seeing there? it seems you're the only person wearing a mask. >> reporter: i think that's the case. there are hundreds if not thousands of people behind me. i can count one or two masks. i think you saw our reporting earlier in the day where someone said if i get it, i get it. if i don't, i don't. that's the theory here. people are excited. they've been calling for four more years. it felt like a tailgate since 6:00 a.m. this morning. this is the front of the line. the doors are expected to open in two hours. these are the first people waiting to go inside of the dok

center. then there's still going to be people out here in the overflow area. we saw some members of the national guard that just walked in. as they came into grew of the ground, the crowd began erupting into cheers and thanking them. we were also reporting in green wood, the historically black district yesterday. people felt the president's visit was ill-timed. here they cannot be more excited. the threat of covid is in the background. take a listen. >> i know covid is real. we had a friend who died from covid and his son was on a ventilator. he almost died. we know it's real, but at the same time, you know, you don't what's the facts. you feel like one side plays it

one way and the other plays it another. me personally, i don't know. i know this, even the ones very concerned about covid, when we spent time with them the last five days, they were interacting without their masks, normal. >> reporter: so, ali, a lot of people here, they have pledged their allegiance and commitment to president trump. that's what they say the focus of today is for them. ali? >> morgan, thank you for your reporting. morgan radford in tulsa, oklahoma. i want to tell you about the green wood area you heard morgan refer to. it was 1921, march of 1921 -- sorry, may. when a mob of white tulsa residents, many deputized attacked the black neighborhood in tulsa known as green wood. they destroyed homes.

they killed over 300 residents. they left nearly 10,000 african-americans homeless. 35 blocks of the area were did he vdestroyed. survivors say they rekoupcountee bodies of those killed thrown into mass graves. there's a stark contrast between the white and black sections of tulsa, oklahoma. life expectancy being lowered. unemployment higher on the black side of town. oklahoma law makers are speaking out. >> we got here through systemic racism. i'm glad the conversation is not just on law enforcement reform, but how do we close the achievement gap in schools, how do we create home owners in the black communities. here in green wood we burned

down businesses and homes. what has to happen next is we consider how do we dismantle systemic racism? >> joining me now is caucus vice chairman of the oklahoma legislature. he's also a commissioner on the 1921 tulsa race massacre commission. let me ask you what i was talking about, about green wood. you mentioned in your conversation with cal perry this is hardly something taught to people in oklahoma in public schools, in white schools, let alone the rest of the country. when mike bloomberg ran and named his initiative for african-americans, the green wood initiative, most people had no idea what he was talking about. unless you understand the history of green wood and black

wall street, you can't fix the situation we're in today. >> that's absolutely true. yesterday i talked about the issues around black owned businesses and homes and what was built in green wood and how that was taken away through systemic racism. when mike talked about it, it elevated that issue. you're right, until recently with the work of a lot of legislato legislators, it wasn't talked about in schools. now that we know what happened here, now that we know what was taken away from the community here, i think it's our obligation to apply that in how we think about, how we rebuild communities all across this country. the knowing is great, but the doing is even more important. >> the connection, though, is important. you make it through systemic racism. the tulsa massacre to a lot of

people, to a lot of white americans or immigrants who weren't here, they say the same thing -- i didn't do it. i didn't have any slaves. i didn't massacre anybody. i wasn't part of the tulsa massacre. how do we understand systemic racism is something that benefits everybody who is not subject to it? >> yeah, i mean, it's something that folks have to stretch themselves. they may not understand it. whether you think it or not, you know, you could be and may be a beneficiary of systemic racism, not because of intentionallity your part, but because of the privilege you enjoy because of the color of your skin. ali, i had a friend that was in one of the shops, took her little daughter, she didn't understand -- the little girl didn't understand what i can't

breathe meant. her mom said this is what it's about. this is because of the killing of unarmed black men. this little girl said, man, i hope they don't start doing that to white people. i think that's what -- i mean, her reaction to that was very telling, right? i think that's the struggle folks don't understand. you may not have done anything, but you don't have to worry about the same things. you talked about the life expectancy gap we have. there's a reason that gap exists, right? talk about the wealth gap. black wealth is 10% that of white wealth. it's not because black folks are less capable or lazy, it's because we have structures in place that kept it that way. it's really our obligation to dismantle those structures. >> you have done work to try to advance these causes. how do you have that conversation? people hear they have privilege and they think you're accusing

them of being racist. that's not the case. doesn't mean you're bad. doesn't mean you're deliberately contributing to it, but you're benefitting from it. >> that's true. one of the positive things is i've had more people reach out to me, my white colleagues, friends i haven't talked to for a while, parents from my son's school. they're starting to understand better. that's what's making the country feel different. it's not a moment. it's a movement. it's not just about equality and this vague idea of equality. it's really about everybody looking inside them. a lot of white men who have reached out to me and said i didn't understand privilege until now. you hear a lot of folks talking

about it. maybe it's time to listen and not talk. there's a place in tulsa that invested $6 million into the community and put a board together of solely african-americans to decide how the money will be spent. the power dynamics are starting to shift. people are really seeing privilege. we'll be better, but we have a lot of work to do. we're at the starting line. >> state representative monroe nichols from oklahoma is a commissioner on the 1921 tulsa race massacre commission. worth noting, representative nichols father was a houston police officer and his uncle is a dallas police officer. you bring a lot of personal experience. >> right. >> thank you for joining us, sir. >> absolutely. one of president trump's

greatest achievements, self-proclaimed achievements is his success with federal court us. >> every judge is so important. 252 judges, two supreme court justices. nobody's ever done things like this. >> fast forward to this week when trump tweeted you get the impression the supreme court doesn't like me? that's next on "velshi." usaa was made for right now. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members

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attorney general william barr announcing in a department of justice press release that geoffrey berman will be stepping down. he's headed some of the biggest investigations into trump associates said he didn't step down and refuses to resign. he said i learned in a press release i was stepping down. i have not resigned and have no intense of resigning from my position. barr's attempt to remove berman seems to be his latest attempt at politicizing the department of justice, which is supposed to be independent. the man announced as berman's replace is jay clayton. he has no prosecutorial experience. this would make him the first

non pros cu non pr non prosecutor to lead the southern district of new york. tom, give us -- the southern district of new york is different than other districts. >> reporter: that's right, ali. it's a district that because of its ties and connections to the financial markets here in new york, the fact that the stock exchanges are based within its district, the fact that the feder federal reserve bank is within its district they have the ability to bring cases of financing terrorism worldwide, worldwide financial cases. so i think it's an office that has typically prided itself as being the sovereign district of

new york meaning it has autonomy. it's an office that brought the cases they saw fit. oftentimes they do it and tell the justice department headquarters about it afterwards or just before they're about to announce. it's an office that has normally an awful lot of independence, ali. >> geoffrey berman, you described him as having a bag the size of a small car. rachel maddow asked if he said he has no intention of stepping down, who is making the decisions? >> geoffrey berman is still running the southern of new york. there's a lot of computer systems in play. you have the fbi which

maintaining its own evidence and case files. if anybody is concerned about a case being wiped clean here if geoffrey berman is pushed out -- and nobody knows what are the next steps here. we're in unchartered territory. his appointment is highly unusual. he was appointed by jeff sessions. then once his interim period lapsed, it was up to the judges to say we can keep him in office. he's the permanent u.s. attorney. so that's why he's there. this kind of power has been conferred on him or to him through the judges in the southern district of new york. what happens next? we don't know. we've never been here before. do the judges have to agree that berman can be replaced? typically the president has the ability to hire and fire u.s. attorneys. that's something that's -- he has the absolute power to do that. do we have a constitutional

battle? nobody knows. for anybody that's concerned, ali, as to whether or not -- will there be damage to ongoing cases, speaking specifically about the case involving rudy giuliani's associates, i want to be clear. nobody has indicated to me there's no major case that could have prompted this decision to fire berman. there's no major case, at least that's been described to me, that's out there, that was about to be made public and there's a lot of reasons why we would think we would know about that in advance. berman could speak about it. a lot more to come on this. right now there's a lot of questions that need answered. >> you just said something that you said in various different

ways over the last three years, which is a great title for a book. it's called "what happens next we don't know because we've never been here before." that's the description of what's going on today. tom, thank you for joining us. tom winter is a correspondent for nbc news. now to one of president trump's favorite subjects. >> the justices that i'm going to appoint will be pro-life. they will have a conservative bend. i've been through federalist societies, 11 supreme court justice. we'll add four more. all vetted. the biggest thing a president can do is supreme court justices. i've been there less than two years and i have two of them. we have judges that are very young. they'll be for 40 years. think of it. 252 judges, 2 supreme court

justices. nobody's ever done things like this. >> oh, the courts. trump added two justices to the supreme court and more than 200 federal judges. he's never going to let you forget that. he brings it up even if it's not germane to the conversation. briefing the nation on the coronavirus he talks about the courts. after witnessing the spacex launch he says how about those courts? he's now looking more like a court jester. two conservative judges decided with liberals that -- then the high court ruled 5-4 to suspend trump's bid to end daca. the justices declined appeals of ten second amendment related

cases, ten, that would have expanded gun rights for americans. as you might expect trump come pla complained on twitter. he said these decisions are shotgun blasts in the face of people that are proud to call themselves republicans. jeff rosen joins me now. he's a law professor at the george washington university. thank you for being with us. i want to start with the neil gorsuch decision about prohibiting people from discriminating against gay and transgender people in the workplace. we texted about this earlier this week. wasn't a liberal decision. wasn't a liberal interpretation of the law. it happened to align with the views that the liberals on the court held. >> it was a textual decision

that pointed in a liberal direction. it was completely consistent with justice gorsuch's decisions such as his dissenting opinion with ruth bader ginsburg. what was so inspiring about that opinion was it showed that the justice are not being political as president trump charged, but being guided by their constitutional methodologies. there was a fascinating debate among the conservative justices. justice gorsuch thought you should read the meaning of the words as they were originally written, but would be understood today. where as justice kavanaugh and justice alito said you should read them in context. it was a great debate. it had nothing to do with politics. it's an important reminder that

in this incredibly contested time, the courts are being guided more by constitutional principle than by politics. >> you have written a lot of bocks about the supreme court and supreme court justices. talk to me about chief justice john roberts. he continues to play an interesting role during the trump administration. >> what chief justice roberts did in his incredibly important decision, siding with justice gorsuch and the liberals in the lgbtq case and also in refusing to allow the trump administration to repeal daca is insisting that the president follow proper administrative procedures. this is what chief roberts did insidi in siding with the liberals last year talking about the immigrant

status on the census. chief justice in case after case -- we're seeing this in the obamacare case and cases this we week, he'll vote with the liberals when the constitution reminds us. in institutional liists like roberts, it's really important for listeners to be like constitutional law students and understand the methodologies because you can understand the courts as the justices themselves understand it. it's a remind that, although there will be plenty of conservative decisions coming up, we have the trump subpoena cases and religious liberty cases, those could be 5-4 splits. we don't know. it's not like this has become a liberal court. chief justice roberts is playing a crucial role.

he thinks the country is so polarized and he thinks it's important the courts not be viewed as a polarized branch of government. he's doing everything he can to persuade his colleagues to converge around decisions that different methodologies can accept. >> jeff, good to see you as always. the mayor of louisville says one of the officers involved in the shooting death of breonna taylor will be fired. that's next on "velshi." next on to installation. like way more vanities perfect for you. nice. way more unique fixtures and tiles. pairing. ♪

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want to show you live pictures coming in from paris, france. this is a large demonstration.

it's at the intersection of the 3rd and 11th and 10th acre area in central paris on the right bank. it's the scene of a lot of demonstrations including the yellow vests. i don't see any in that crowd. that's been the ongoing demonstrations against gas prices in france. this is a demonstration against racism and police violence which is a very serious issue, racism in particular, in france. it's a serious matter. france is a country of immigrants from a number of arab countries and african countries. this has been a brewing problem for decades in france. that is a demonstration, a large one, that we can see in paris.

we'll keep a close eye on that. back in the united states, some atlanta police officers have been calling in sick staging a protest in solidarity with the former police officer who has been charged with murdering 27-year-old rayshard brooks. if the police protesting are tone deaf enough to think calling out helps their cause, they would be mistaken. if you don't want to do the hard work of policing, quit, resign, give up your salary and benefits. protest is cheap if it doesn't cause anything. police do not consider themselves responsible to the public. in a normal world employees who pull stuff like this would be disciplined. police unions protect them. police unions are a big part of the problem. i typically stand behind unions, but not police unions these

days. putting on a badge and a uniform and gun doesn't make you part of a club. despite the outdate terms like brotherhood and fraternal that show up in the names of many police unions, it's not actually a fraternity. the loyalty of police is pledged to the public and to the law, not to each other. good police -- and we have seen many of you -- are being drowned out by a network of unions that silences those who speak out against wrong doing in their ranks. police who confront other police are os ra sized. unions should not support police officers who walk out because they've had enough. unions should not support rewards for cops who do not do their jobs. police unions should stand up for good police, protect their wages, keep working conditions safe. insist upon the highest levels of training.

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a no-knock raid ended the life of 26-year-old breonna taylor one of the three officers is being fired from the louisville police department. two other are on administrative reassignment. the kentucky attorney general have has people to remain patient while the investigation is ongoing. this has drawn more attention to

how black women are often left out of the conversation. joining me now is kimberly crenshaw whose organization started the saying say her name. kimberly, good to see you. thank you for joining us. we've had such a rush in the last few weeks to discuss the urgency of what's going on. let's pause for a second and tell me -- give me some context around why it's african-american women in my opinion do not seem to get the attention that african-american men get who die at the hands of police. >> well, let me first signify how significant the problem is. when we first started say her name we were at the rally for eric garner. we went to the rally with

pictures of fran caso's daughter who had been killed within the same period of time between the death of eric garner and mike brown. as we were saying their names, many people didn't know that black women were killed by the police. when we did say their names, some folks were shocked. other folks were irritated because they understand police violence to be an issue facing african-american men. this is partly because the frames that we have foray cy ra violence is typically lynching. police killing, basically lynching, is very close. sometimes police officers were involved in lynching. black women are also lynched. they're killed by police. driving while black. they're also killed in ways that

are sometimes dercifferent. they're more likely to be killed in their homes. they're killed in front of their children. they are killed in front of their parents. largely this killing goes on in silence, partly because the media don't talk about those cases. breonna was one of the only ones that was a high profile case. sandra brand is another black woman that people know. say her name is a demand we say their names to tell their stories. only when we tell their stories do we have an accounting of anti-black policing looks like. >> you talk -- you have coined the term intersectionality. that is part of this issue,

right? we sort of -- we have a built in disrespect for women anyway. if that woman happens to be a person of color, that's that much working against them in being respected and taken seriously even in their death. >> there's so much there. let me say some of the things that mothers who joined us this past wednesday told us. gina best's daughter, former navy vet, was killed when a s.w.a.t. team followed her and her 4 month old child. 16 officers were involved in this trailing of them for over three hours. they knew that she and the baby were in the car. it was the man with her they wanted to take down for reasons that were illegitimate. she was just collateral damage. they knew she was there. they knew the baby was there. they opened fire, 50 rounds went

into the car. that's egregious enough, but when asked what did people say about it, what she said was people in the community said what did she did to get herself killed? that's the product of patriot arrive ki. it sounds like rape culture. when something happens to the women, the tendency is what decisions did she make that put her in that situation, rather than asking what did these officers do and think that allowed them to kill an innocent woman. >> kimberly, i appreciate the work you've done. she's the executive director of the african-american policy forum. she's also the host of "under the black light." she of course coined the term intersectionality. coming up next women's

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rights. my next guest explores those intersections and what makes all of us american. >> the el paso border has become one of the the busiest border crossings in the country. but the bond between these sister cities is under threat. the drug cartels violence in recent years has made el paso residents afraid to go to juarez. on top of that central americans and mexicans are being increasingly vilified in the u.s. we literally walled off the two cities and families have been separated and jailed. america loves mexican food. in fact, we eat more salsa than we do ketchup. but what about the hands that make that food? there's been so much talk about the boarder and everyone has an opinion. >> joining me now, the host and

executive producer of bravo's top chef, she is the host of taste the nation, a new hulu original series and a goodwill ambassador to the united nations and padma, you were born in india and not so much as a food show but food as a way into cultural anthropology and a question that americans need to answer, we love food from everywhere in the world and we don't seem to love the people as much as we love the food. >> that is very true. i have been in food for 20 years. and i always thought that the most interesting and innovative places of our country in food have been in immigrant communities and what is the most exciting part of the landscape but that's the tip of the iceberg. people are speaking their language and i thought it could

be good to im bed myself into these communities and show on a very basic and human level what life is like for them. and the first episode, we show that, and i also wanted to look at policies handed down indeed at the federal level don't often jive with what life is like day to day for people on the border. and when you look at the effects of those policy decisions, on el paso, as well as juarez. >> and the point you make about el paso, unfortunately, we learned about this, with that shooting at the walmart, is that el paso and juarez are two cities that sort of share a heart. there's nobody in el paso and juarez who doesn't have some connection to the other place. and yet, between the crime, and the prejudice, and the border wall, and the view that we've taken on, on refugees and immigrants, we have separated something, we have separated a

people in el paso, and juarez. >> yes, i mean people often have families living on both sides. you know, the woman that i interviewed that is working at h & h car wash has been cooking at that stove for 36 years. every day, she crosses the border, walks over, and what used to take her 20 minutes at border patrol now takes her two and a half hours each way, and in between those two journeys, she spends ten hours on her feet in front of the hot stove. you know, i just, i want to say that in many case, the border, these people didn't cross the border, the border crossed them. we also look at indigenous mexican food, and what that looks like on both sides of border, before colonization, there seems to be a double standard in our country for caucasian immigrants and noncaucasian immigrants and you may have often heard our president speaks to that eloquently. so i just thought it was time to

give credit where it was due. i wanted to show what these people's lives are like and say that they are a very valuable part of our economy, our pop culture, our food, literature, art and music, and to negate that and not encourage that is really to be nongenuine and very much foolish. >> and one of the issues that we've been dealing with in the last several weeks in america is that of social injustice and the idea that people of color in this country, african-americans, are not respected by the law, they're not treated equally, and to some people, that conversation i just had with kimberly crenshaw, particularly african-american women, they're invisible and the way we look at immigration in some ways because sometimes we are very big on immigration in this country, depending on who the immigrant is and where they came from, but we make this invisible. it is easy to demonize people and put them in cages, if you can dehumanize them and not understand them and not respect who they are. >> that's true.

i remember a couple of years ago, when the separation of the issue was so hot, and i remember senators like ted cruz, voting for different policy decisions that i really found hypocritical considering he regularly goes to eat mexican food. i don't think that any lawmaker should be allowed to have a say in these matters unless they go and they imbed themselves like i did into the communities that are affected by the laws that we make. you know, there's such a disconnect between our daily lives and what we think of as correct policy. i wanted to show that it's all political, under all matters, and these are american, they are the life blood and the heartland of this country, they are the engine that allows us to have a varied labor force and they really are the future of the country tomorrow and thereafter. >> boy, you have combined the two things that i love talking

about, economics and food. padma, thank you for joining us, an immigration ambassador for the aclu the host of a new hulu original series "taste the nation." check it out. thanks for joining us. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i will be here again 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern and back tomorrow 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. eastern. coming up next, a.m. joy, and cory booker joins joy reid. tums versus mozzarella stick (bell rings) when heartburn hits fight back fast...

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it wasn't great for blacks when we were enslaved and then had to fight jim crow and then fight for the right to vote, it wasn't great for white women, who couldn't even vote, it wasn't great for those of latino and asian descent, who were not welcome here. when was america great for everybody? we are the ones, you are that marching in selma, you are that are marching all over america, we're the ones that will make america great for everybody for the first time. >> good morning, and welcome to a.m. joy, we have a jam-packed two hours this morning. including the breaking news that broke overnight during the rachel maddow show, a crisis emerging from the department of justice as trump attorney general and william barr,