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black history lesson. you're looking at the bank of oklahoma center in tulsa, oklahoma, where in a few hours president trump makes his return to the campaign trail. and after nearly four months of protests and pandemics, trials requiring actual executive leadership skills, this president is sorely lacking. he can get back to the part of the job he seems to prefer. riling up his mostly trump supporters. fox news has him 12 percentage points behind the former vice president. and as the summer of protests continues around the deaths of george floyd, breonna taylor,

rayshard brooks and others, the president is tonight looking to turn the page by invoking the saddest of histories, in addition to holding his rally hours after a black american holiday born out of delayed freedom for texan slaves. the stage itself is a stone's throw from one of the most brutal episodes of racial violence in our history. more on that tragedy shortly. i was in tulsa yesterday for a juneteenth rally yesterday. tonight the black community is not wondering why the president would make his return to the general election campaign trail in tulsa. despite it being an overwhelmingly red state, that the president soundly won in 2016, but why the president can be so forcefully counted by

criticisms from even with his own party and with less than five months to go and uncommon social upheaval still be concerned only with his base and his base only. let's go to tulsa, oklahoma, nbc. cal perry is standing by right now. tell us what you see right now. >> some of the people have made their way here where trump supporters are waiting to get into the arena. i want to show you here we have some heavily armed white individuals, they're wearing the hawaiian shoorirts, which is usually the boogaloo boys trademark. there's three gates can you enter. this one has now been shut because there was some kind of incident, there were black lives matter protesters who made their

way here and they had a very brief standoff -- they had a very brief standoff with the police, who were backed by the national guard and they were slowly moved back. they're still slowly moving that line back. but again, it's worth the shot of one of those three entry points. you can hear we're being surrounded by trump supporters who are trying to get their message out on haair. the situation is a tense one. you have three groups that now skro converged on the streets. we're seeing the national guard trying to move the crowd back again. the gates at the center, i don't know if that will be delayed. this entryway is now completely shut. >> now, you said national guard. there are national guard on the site now that's right at the scene? >> yeah, the national guard is there. they're sort of dr and i think we can try to get in a little

bit. you can see that line of people just beyond those national guard. we have taken a step back because there's no way to socially distance in this site. there's just no way to do it. just doing a rally. they want to carry weapons. all right. thank you. and be careful. kevin matthews a democrat of oklahoma. senator last night. as i was there and we stress

stressed -- the massacre in greenwood. and no one wants to see that,di presence of president trump. you, as an elected official there that represents a constituency, how do you feel about what you're seeing tonight and what are your hopes that comes out of this evening and last evening if you could in some way -- at first i'll tell you how happy we were to -- send a message so clearly to tell us

and remind us as all of our elected officials. after you left. not one county voted for. this is the place where 168 lives were lost. and we can't find tombstones. explain it's medicaid.

staying focused and staying intentional. >> and there was no violence at all right there in the middle of greenwo greenwood. we must do this focused, even though many of us do have anger, but it's anger that is discipline and focus. do you think, though, that the president was being helpful when he tweeted out this yesterday, talking about any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or low lives who are going to oklahoma? please understand you will not be treated like you've been in new york, seattle or minneapolis, it will be a much different scene. isn't that provocative language, almost like waving a red flag,

that is not the kind of tone and we went out of our ways not to have that kind of provocative and we would not want to see that language going into the juneteenth rally? >> not only is it provocative, it's incense at the and uninformed. we try to do what you talk about, to stay focused. it was insensitive to have it on this krweekend in the first pla and originally on june 19th, which it took a lot of discussion about moving it and then the other things that have happened since. it is a shame that six of his own people that have come here early to plan for have rally have already tested positive for covid. they're expecting 19,000 people in there. we think this is ridiculous. this is not the right time and

not the right place. >> six of his own advance team of president trump, advance team on this trip, have tested positive. the mayor for some reason maybe you can explain all of a sudden ended a curfew for this weekend, a curfew that in spite of the fact the number of coronavirus, people found positive in the test, have spiked up. yet he cancelled the curfew that was in place in putulsa. isn't that a dangerous decision and why do you think he did that? >> i can say our director of the health department said this is not a good idea to postpone the rally. people were happy that we had a curfew, but it changed all of a sudden. all i can say is this is an election year for our mayor and we're going to be having an election in august.

i don't know why he changed his mind. it feels like it was political. i can't say but it doesn't smell good. >> all right, thank you for being with us, state senator kevin matthews of oklahoma. joining me now is nicole hanna jones, an historian and staff writer for the "new york times" magazine. let me go to the history of this, nicole. the history of juneteenth is that two and a half years after the emancipation proclamation was signed, finally a union general went into texas and informed texans that slavery no longer existed and that the enslaved in texas was free. and in many ways it's a mixed feeling for many of us that have dealt with juneteenth down through the years. at one level we celebrate that finally all of those enslaved

were freed of chattel slavery. at another level they were freed two and a half years after the proclamation. but it also is a time that this was the first time in american history that after juneteenth occurred, that there were no league slaves in the country that claim to be built on we hold these truths to be self-evident, all men are created equal. based on that, some are saying senators harris and ckamala harris and cor cory booker, we to make it a federal holiday that this is the day that we stopped slavery. tell me or not whether i'm describing it right and whether what i'm saying is in lien hene. >> well, you've upgraded me a

little bit. i'm a journalist. you call me a historian. we should have emancipation day and juneteenth seems like it would be the appropriate day to celebrate the end of slavery. many celebrate emancipation day. they celebrate and acknowledge that this is actually a time to commemorate. but because we wanted to sanitize our history, because we've been unaibble to deal wit the hypocrisy, i think it is long past time that we have a federal holiday commemorating the end of slavery and the beginning of us actually living up to our ideals. >> now, also joining in the conversation is jameel smith, a senior writer for rolling stone magazine. i call nicole historian because if you look at the project she did, it is historic in a

project, therefore i associate her work and elevate her title, whether she's comfortable with that title or not. jamelle, you see there is legislation in the house of representatives, justice and policing act. there's counter legislation that tim scott and the republicans are preparing in the senate. we are still marching all over the country, civil rights groups, black lives matter group, all of it really under the banner of black lives matter, and we have the big national march august 28th. all of this really will be about what we can really change that will matter ten years from now, and that is whether or not we change policing, which will take changing of laws and changing of police policies locally and nationally. as we move forward and i think your cover story examines a lot of it and examines a lot of those that gave actual to this, but as we move forward, will, in

your mind, it be judged in the long run whether or not even in a pandemic under this president we were able to make fundamental change in how the criminal justice broadly and policing in particular was conducted in this country? >> well, reverend, i think that it's tough to judge a movement like this purely based on political consultants. i think certainly the political will is always going to be lesser than a phrase like black lives matter -- [ no audio ]

>> your sound is distorted. let me go back to nicole, while we try to fix that. nicole, what i'm really saying is as we all meet for various groups from whatever disciplines and one of the things i think is good here is there's been a lot of intergenerational movement is there must be perch marks, which is sort of what your project did that really say this happened and that happened and this is how and why it happened. >> i think we're all going to being looking for what is going to be accomplished from this movement. we're seeing some symbolic things and some actual markers of projects. it's hard to judge when you're in the middle of something how far it's going to go. those of us who have studied this for a long time have really

been impressed by how continuous these protests are, that people don't seem to be just venting anger over a course of days and moving on and it's applying that pressure off a sustained period of time, as you very well know, is the only way you're going to get the political results people are looking for. >> one of the things i learned being mentored by some of the leaders in the 60s and i grew up a teen-ager under the movement and grew up later into my own was that when they went to birmingham, alabama, i believe it was in '63, i was told that they looked for a city where they'd have resistance. and beau connor was the right one because they knew he would fight back. how much do you think, nicole, the fact that you have the inflexii inflexible president donald trump helps to also keep the movement going till we can

achieve some concrete results because he is not in any way giving ground that could soften and make people feel in some ways relaxed. but because he is so much reactionary in terms of some of these policies, he keeps people energized that even those of us on the front line may not have been able to energize ourselves. >> absolutely, reverend al. as you know, when dr. king went to albany, georgia and the sheriff there refused to arrest protesters, didn't engage in violence against the protesters, the media didn't care. it was very hard for dr. king to get traction there. they choose to go to birmingham because they knew that beau connor was going to overreact. americans who were very tolerant of civil abuses, as long as it came with a nice veneer, they

couldn't put up with that. we're certainly seeing that with this president. you just pointed out the tweet that some people thought seemed like he was calling for violence to be used against protesters in tulsa. we have a president who is not even allowing those who would be moderate who would be willing to band-aid things and move on, he's forcing them to choose a side. it has been helpful for this movement and it's why we're seeing such a sustained movement at this moment. >> nicole hanna jones, just recently minted as a historian on this show. as president trump is making his way tonight to the rally in s tulsa, lawmakers on both sides of the state and federal levels are pushing reform for law enforcement. but what should those plans actually look like? first, my colleague richard lui with today's top news stories. >> thanks, rev.

>> at this tour, there are more than 2.2 million confirmed coronavirus cases nationwide. the death toll now over 120,000. florida recorded more than 4,000 new cases in a one-day spike. texas, nevada, arizona all continue in addition to see an uptick in cases. a federal judge ruled former national security adviser john bolton, he can publish his tell-all book. the president's team argued classified information could be exposed. a judge said an injunction would be infective because the book has already been circulated widely and reported on by the media. and attorney general bill barr had said manhattan u.s. attorney jeffrey berman was being dismissed at barr's request. berman issued a statement after barr's announcement saying he had no intention of leaving his

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all is a massive shift. even if their plans seem watered down. joining me is one of the co-sponsors of the house bill, texas representative al green. congressman green, we have the house bill that you're a co-sponsor of, the bill -- i believe the bill is called justice and policing act. and we have the president's executive order. and that he issued a couple of days ago at a big rose garden announcement. and one of the differences that i saw in the executive order is that it made suggestions and had incentives, but he never mentioned race at all and he never really said that police would be subjected this violating federal laws. he was saying we'll give incentives for you not to have in various districts choke

holds, incentives for this and that but not saying this is the law and if a policeman violates the law, they're subjected to the law. the opposite is true of the bill you all are proposing in the house. >> yes, sir. thank you for having me on. the house bill intcentivized an the house bill literally bans. imagine if we had incentives to eliminate slavery. i'm not sure incentives would have caused the rebels to decide to allow us to be free. so the senate bill is a very weak bill. the house bill would ban the no-knock laws, so we have h

sisters such as breonna taylor would stel be wiill be with us choke holds. the president's executive order was nothing more than words. the legislation has to come through the senate and the house. and i would say this, even with that kind of legislation, there is still a lot more to be done. as you know, mr. floyd brought in a movement. those 8:46 created a movement, but that movement needs to move to a department, a department such that we can enforce laws when the movement is still making its way but may not be as strong as it is today. >> right. >> i have in the house a department of reconciliation with the secretary of reconciliation who reports directly to the president. this would be a presidential appointee. this would be someone who would

have as their responsibility each and every day to develop strategies and implement them to eliminate racism and insidious discrimination in all of its forms. [ no audio ] so it's funded, it's a great plan and a good many members are signing on to it. we need to have a movement to carry this on in years to come. in germany you don't see any statues of adolph hitler. there are no monuments to nazism. this is because they went through reconciliation. we have not reconciled this. [ no audio ] we haven't reconciled for it, we haven't reconciled where black people were put in the hands of

business people to work from dawn to dusk, many died working buried in common grades, which is the case here, 95 bodies found in a common grave. until we reconcile, we will continue to have these problems that we silo. it's my feeling we need a department of reconciliation and a secretary of reconciliation, just as we have a secretary of labor and a secretary of defense. >> i must ask you on another issue, coronavirus cases in texas are continuing to rise, but your state is reopening. are you worried, congressman? >> i'm exceedingly worried, worried to the extent that today i have in my hand where i have been tested and i'm grateful that i've been blessed to have a negative result. but that's not good enough. it's not good enough for me to be tested and get a negative result.

i was asked to do this and i did it on television. i'm worried because if we get to capacity in our hospitals, it will not only be the person with the virus who will suffer, but anybody else who wants to get into the hospital will suffer because the hospital is at capacity. i am also worried because i see many in my state who are not wearing their masks, they are not spatialing distancing in public. we've got to sanitize our hand and spatial distance as much as we can. more importantly, i'm worried about minority communities because we know minority communities compose a disproportionate share of the virus. we're not doing what we need to in these communities so we cannot only detect with testing but also trace the people who are tested positive and follow them to other people who may be susceptible to the virus. there's a lot more work to be

done and we really need to pump the brakes in texas. please, governor, let's consider pumping the brakes and not just open up given that we are on the way up as it relates to the virus. >> all right, congressman al green, thank you for being with us. coming up in just a few hours, president trump will speak at a campaign rally in tulsa, oklahoma, where one of the worst incidents of racial violence in history took place 99 years ago. he has already warned protesters not to disrupt the event. how black americans are reacting. that's next. reacting that's next. nderhydrated. if your child doesn't seem themself at times, they may not be hydrated enough. wabba wabba! all new, plant powered creative roots gives kids the hydration they need,

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it wasn't great for blacks when we were enslaved and then had to fight jim crow and then fight for the right to vote. it wasn't great for white women who couldn't even vote.

it wasn't great for those of latino and asian descent who were not welcome here. when was america great for everybody? >> as president trump returns to the campaign trail in tulsa, reaction to his visit is what many expected. his supporters revel in the moment while black americans see his visit as a slap in the face on such an historic and symbolic weekend. nbc news reporter janelle ross has been getting reaction from people in the area. many of those i spoke with felt it was offensive for him to come not only yesterday, as first scheduled, but even today, even this weekend given the historic nature of juneteenth and given how this president has handled race relations while he's been

in office. what are you getting on the ground? >> i think something very similar. i certainly heard from many people in the greenwood district where the juneteenth celebration that you mentioned was held. i heard a lot of people use words like disrespect and dog whistle in describing the president's decision first to schedule a rally on juneteenth and then to move forward with plans to hold any sort of rally here in tulsa amidst coronavirus cases rising and then also in a place that has a particularly violent history when it comes to racial discord. and that is of course a polite term for what has happened here. there was a racial massacre here in tulsa. i think that is perhaps foremost on the mind of the people that i spoke with in the greenwood district yesterday. i have heard similar things today. i think on the flip side when you speak to people who camped

out and really took up -- got up quite early to try to get in to see the president near the box center, there is sort of a deep, deep regard for the president and people just seem to see the choice to hold a rally here in tulsa and to hold it at this time in a completely different way. it's as if people are reading from two different books. >> i took note that last night a large portion of the audience at the juneteenth rally were white. so they're not all whites that are on the president's side on this or that disrespects juneteenth. do you think the president, given where he has chosen to make his new launch and given the history that you just described, do you think he will address the problem of racism and systemic racism as people continue to protest and rally around the country, do you think he'll address that tonight in

his remarks? >> reporter: of course it's impossible to predict the future or try to guess what might be on the president's mind. i think there are certainly people who would hope that he would, but if past is indeed pro l prologue, that is unlikely. the president has been very limited in what he has said that has led to protests around the country and around the world. he has been very limited in describing anything like systemic racism in the united states. so it would seem unlikely that that would be the message that he would come to deliver to his base, which is not particularly attuned to that idea or perhaps welcoming to that idea. so it seems unlikely but of course nobody can predict for sure what the president will say this evening. >> we are at a point where people are proposing in the

house of representatives new laws, people are proposing different, more watered down versions, in my opinion, in the senate. where and how do we establish this dialogue among the populous as we now move trying to make some legislative change? and talking to both sides in oklahoma, the state where this massacre happened in 1921 would be probably a place that you could test better than any public opinion of whether you think there is any way that we could bring both sides of this to some kind of common ground discussion. are we so far apart that he's going to just have to be one side beat the other and there can be no mutuality in terms of moving forward in the country? >> reporter: of course, again, now we're getting into the world of predictions and it's hard to

say. certainly without question we live in a very divided country. i will say that in my conversations with people who are camped out around the box center yesterday and this morning, i did encounter some people who expressed concern about what is happening with policing in this country. something about what happened to george floyd apparently clarified for many people some patterns that have been longstanding in the united states. so i certainly did hear from i'd say four or five people that i talked to that they are concerned. i do not think, though, that there is a strong level of buy-in to this idea that there is a broader problem and therefore policy is needed. how, it is worth noting that all of tulsa is not here. all of tulsa is not necessarily 100% in lock step with donald trump. there are parts of the city

where life is going on as normal where people are talking about everything except the president's visit. and where those people stand is probably much like where other people around the country stand. and then of course there are plenty of people here in tulsa who very much want to see some kind of broad policy level reforms. >> all right, janelle ross, thank you very much for being with us. the very fact that people are crowding together for a trump rally in tulsa is yet another example of the president's approach to governing. one set of rules for him and his cronies and one for everyone else. his own cdc is warning against gatherings like this and mens of his own task force tried to make him change the event. he made waves last night with the attempted removal. u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york.

his effort to bypass the normal rule of law was briefly delayed as jeff riff berman said he would not step down until the senate had confirmed a presidentially appointed replacement. not content with that, president trump personally fired him this afterno afternoon, at least according to attorney general barr. meanwhile the president claims he's, quote, not involved. joining me david jolly. congressman, the president decide to fire the u.s. attorney in the southern district in new york after they would announce that he was moving on, going to resign, he put out later, he being the u.s. owner, i'm not

resigning today. this is a u.s. attorney from reports was investigating people in the president's former inner circle, including rudy giuliani. how do you read this? >> that president trump is a corrupt president and attorney general barr is a corrupt attorney general and they should open an investigation into the attorney general. this is the southern district of new york. it's sometimes referred to as attorneys as the supreme district of new york. it is where some of the most sophisticated and complex cases arise, certainly within the financial sector but in this case in the back yard of donald trump. it's the district that's been responsible for the conviction of michael cohen, donald trump's attorney, a case in which donald trump was named as an unindicted

co-conspirator, in that case where cohen was convicted. it's also the district that had the epstein case. it's the district that has rudy giuliani, that has several of the characters around the president's impeachment. this is a move by donald trump to delay the investigative authority of the southern district of new york. it is corrupt. whether or not this was a direct call by barr or by the president doesn't really matter. this is a corrupt administration and the who us should open impeachment hearings into the attorney general. >> don callaway, this is a republican former member of congress saying he's corrupt and they ought to open up impeachment proceedings. let me ask you this. when we see the firing of berman and we see the moves to try and replace him and the reports are by someone who never even was a prosecutor, and then on top of that we see john bolton's book coming out and a federal judge

saying it can move forward and it has, among other things, said the president engaged the president of china into interfering with an american election by doing some trade that would help bolster him politically. is some of this kind of language is using about pro ttesters and other things trying to take away about what he was going to do with the u.s. attorney and have some kind of drama in tulsa and rev people up so people will forget and news media will not cover, that you have a book out that have said things that are absolutely explosive by his former national security adviser and you're trying to fire or in fact firing a guy investigating me members in your inner circle? >> corruption is the order of

the day. obstruction is a way of life for this president, as bolton wrote in his book. i don't know if the tulsa rally is taking the attention away. if your head explodes every day, you have no head left to explode. we are so far down the road of every day corruption with this administration, i don't know that coverage of it really yields any dividends for those who are opponents of the president and it's certainly not changing the minds of the people who support the president as we see from a packed crowd, nonmask wearing there in tulsa tonight. i don't even know that the president is trying to attract attention. those are with him are going to be solidly with hill. i do think it's another case that can be made about the rampant every day corruption. if anything, it helps suggest that joe biden should be president and it's just another straw on the weakening, ever weakening camel of this entirely

corrupt and, frankly, incompetent administration. they're not even that good, frankly, at being corrupt. i would like to push back on this whole notion that this was some type of racist dog whistle of a rally. it's far beyond dog whistle. we're at the point of bull horns. i've long stopped ascribing any strategy or thought strategy of president trump. i know who does know about it being so, avowed white supremacists who have the ear of

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>> yesterday when i spoke at the commemoration in tulsa, it

reminded me of the history. the history of slavery in this country where my forefathers were enslaved for over 200 years and finally when the emancipation proclamation was signed, they were freed from slave l slavery. it was two and a half years later before those in texas were known to be free and therefore released. this should be a federal holiday. not only to celebrate that this country had finally stopped slavery but to remind us of the journey we've gone from treating people by law less than human, by putting in the constitution at one point that we were three-fifths human and how we have to fight through those days to years of struggle to where we

are today, still struggling toward full and equal protection under the law and equal opportunity. if you understand the history, you'll understand that we are still going through a process. we are much further than where we were, but we are still a long ways to go. we can do it if we remember how far we've come. it gives us the energy to be further to where we need to be. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll be back here tomorrow for two hours of "politics nation" starting at 5:00 p.m. eastern. up next, we pick up our news coverage. make sure you don't miss the rest of msnbc's special coverage tonight. ♪

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