>> they're going to arrest me. i am not going. they've asked you to leave. can you leave? ma'am, i'm just here -- here's the deal. >> ma'am -- >> you're going to arrest me.

>> we don't want to put hands on you. >> good evening. welcome to a special edition of what we like to call "p.m. joy." hours from now, president trump will hold a rally. earlier a protester sitting near the arena was arrested by tulsa police at the direction of the trump campaign. the spectacle of police acting almost as trump's security force to prevent a protester who had a ticket for entering at this point is not unexpected but d disturbing in a democracy. on juneteenth weekend no less. a lot of you believe the media plays too much attention to these trump rallies, and

honestly, i don't disagree with you. the significance of this one is the sitting president of the united states has compelled tens of house his supporters to gath indoors, mass optional, during a pandemic that he backed down the state and local officials from issuing orders that would protect their own residents with up to 100,000 people in total converging on a state that's not even in contention in the november election. and the fact that this president, acting more like autocrats we see in brazil and russia use these spectacles to commit violence against other americans. >> you know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? they would be carried out on a stretcher, folks. it's true. i would like to punch him in the

face, i tell you. in the good old days, they would rip him out of that seat so fast. if you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously. knock the hell -- i promise you, i will pay for the legal fees. i promise. >> on the subject of the pandemic, make no mistake that the dangerous in tulsa tonight is not just outside where we hope no violence occurs between trump supporters and protesters and where we hope that police react with calm, while the national guard has already arrived, the danger is to those supporters backed into that arena and to everyone they come in contact with over the next two weeks which is the incubation period for the coronavirus. already as of today six members of trump's own advanced team in tulsa have tested positive for covid-19. joining me now from tulsa is

calipery. gi -- calip perry. give us a sense of what's going on here. >> reporter: i'll show you where police are facing off with demonstrator demonstrators. black lives matter pushed their way to one of three entry points into the trump rally. police moved them back slowly. now we're in this very weird, very strange standoff. add to that, if you want to enter the rally now, you have to go to the far side of the street. the photo journalist is going to show you that spot. you have to walk down that sidewalk and tulsa police are trying to sift out who are trump supporters and trying to get to the rally and who are protesters. add to that, a few minutes ago the police announced this is now a federally protected zone and they issued an instruction, a warning really, that anyone who has a firearm needs to leave the area. i bring that up because we have seen here, joy, the far right ring extremist white armed

movement whose stated goal is to prepare for or push for a second civil war. police are making another announcement now. police are reminding the crowd if you are trying to get to the rally, you have to go to the far side to the sidewalk. all of those elements that you laid up in that thorough intro are happening now on this street. the question is as the night develops as trump gives his speech and especially after the supporters end up leaving this sort of trump discovery zone, are they again going to clash with protesters who are now refusing to leave this area. again, these black lives matter protesters are who we saw yesterday in the greenwood area in downtown tulsa, joy. >> very quickly before i let you go, cal, are you saying that you're seeing armed members of this far right wing group that wants to have a race war, a second civil war? >> reporter: we saw half a

dozen. they wear those hawaiian shirts. that's the giveaway. heavily armed with the full tactical gear, helmets, rifles, long guns. i think, though i cannot confirm, that's what prompted police to give that warning about firearms in this area. listen, i spent a lot of time traveling it around states where it's a constitutional right to carry where you don't have a permit. there's something about the whole costume and tactical gear that's off putting and it's o off putting to the black lives matter protesters, joy. >> can you hang around for a little bit? >> reporter: i'm here. let >> let me keep you. i'm going to bring in a writer for "the new yorker" and also a bishop co-chairman of the poor people's campaign. i'm going to start with you bishop barber. you have done a lot of protests. you know what that looks like in the street. the fact is that donald trump is

a particular kind of person. this is a threat he put up threatening protesters in advance. any protesters, looters, lowlives who are going to oklahoma, please understand you will be treated not like you have been. he didn't mention the armed militants. that worries people. he is coddling the kind of people who cal is reporting are the people showing up armed. >> well, he is, joy. he did that in charlottesville. i think we also have to look at this historically. now, a hundred years ago similar thing was happening. woodrow wilson was lying about a pandemic. a lot because he denied he was promoting racism, the birth of the nation. he was rolling back civil rights laws. so in a sense what we're seeing in trump we have seen before.

my question always when he does this is what is he trying to hide? we know yesterday he fired all of the people at voice of america and took over those public radio stations and put some extremist in charge of that. we know if this wasn't happening, these rallies weren't happening, we would be talking about the hundreds of thousands of people that died from covid and talking about the economic problems. so he's doing the same thing that george wallace and others do. they stir up this emotion and try to create a situation and come in and be the law and order savior. also to distract to push away. i'm glad to see protesters that will protest him and will stand strong. we have to recognize what is this man doing and he doesn't care. he doesn't care about his own people. not only doesn't he care if they get sick tonight, he doesn't care period because he tried to take health care from the people and many that voted for him. so this is a sick man and a sick

situation, but it has been -- it has happened before in america. >> and just to that very point, the trump campaign required attendees tonight to sign a disclosure. we know that other events that wanted to happen around the country you have to get permits and insurance. they have already had their campaign attendees sign a disclosure basically saying if you get sick or you get sick or even worse than that, that's on you. that's the disclaimer they made people sign outside of that rally if they attend that rally. i want you to listen to -- this is a gentleman who is a black wall street gallery owner. he had comments about this rally. take a listen. >> we really didn't want trump to be here in the first place because the city of tulsa is still grappling with its dark past. we're still trying to have some racial healing. we're searching for mass graves given the 1921 tulsa race massacre. so his coming here and the type

of rhetoric that he uses during the rallies isn't helping at all. >> and, you know, as you are speaking, i want to note for the audience that we're looking at pictures there on the other side of the screen of new york and that's in front of trump tower. the protests are nationwide. to that gentlemen's point, donald trump must know that the black community in tulsa don't want him there. he is not only maybe hiding something as bishop barber said, hiding the covid situation, hiding the unemployment situation, but he's also saying something. what do you imagine that is? or do you think he thinks he's attracting more people to his movement? >> i mean, it's hard to know because it defies logic. what we're talking about is not certainly a political calculation. the last poll i saw had him 19 points ahead of joe biden in oklahoma in a state that only has seven electoral votes.

the states that are much more valuable and really essential to his campaign he's not fairiring well in. wisconsin, pennsylvania, he's behind in those states. the reasonable political thing to do would be to sure yuup you base in those places. the places that gave the margin of victory in 2016. we're left with the psy psychological calculation or the behavior that meets the mental and emotional needs of a narcissist. wos you go off th-- once you go road, it's unmapped terrain to understand the logic. i will say that i'm highly suspicious about this being a product of donald trump's thinking alone. i don't think that he's the type of person who knows what juneteenth is. i certainly don't think that he's the person to grasp history to know what happened in tulsa

in 1921. i think this is in collaboration with the parts of the reactionary right, far right, operation that is within the white house within his administration. >> absolutely. he had steve bannon in. we don't know if he still talks to him. the alt right is a cleaned up version of white nationalism. it's hard to believe anything is coincidental with those people around. do we tistill have cal? >> reporter: i'm here, and can you hear me? >> these are hardcore people for trump. it's very, very white. it's people who are already voting for trump. do the people that you've talked to today, do they think that they are adding to donald trump's support or are they just

there to revel in this kind of religion of trumpism? >> reporter: revel. they're here to revel in the religion of trumpism and the crowds are at a bigger fever pitch than they were four years ago, but there's fewer of them and i think a bit more hardcore. this visual that you sort of laid out of the police separating donald trump supporters from protesters is happening. it's happening in front of our eyes. i can see -- see the guy with the alex jones shirt there? you have members of what i think is info wars media standing behind the police line. it's alienating the protesters here. there is nothing that would widen the support of trump at these rallies right now. he's playing to his base. his extreme base. and these pictures, these visuals are only upsetting the people who live here in tulsa and when you look at the history of tulsa and a fight for basic

human rights after a jealous white population firebomb eed a economically successful black population, it's infuriating to the folks that live here. the juneteenth celebrations were supposed to be called off in tulsa. they said we're risking our lives to fight for equal rights during a pandemic. these pictures don't help. it's narrowing trump support. he's playing to his base. and he's alienating the folks who live here during a pandemic. >> it is remarkable. it looks like what you're showing us in your camera and our great cameraman at msnbc, are the police protecting the info wars people or just separating them from the protesters? >> reporter: it's not clear to me. i don't know if they maybe had a stand set up behind the police line. it's possible that they're not officially members of info wars so they are definitely some kind of right wing media. they have media equipment. they are starting to move that

equipment. again, it's just -- people here are upset about how the police are trying to filter in the donald trump supporters who are headed to the rally and allow them to go. people here are trying to stop people from attending this rally. they're trying to make it difficult. they are trying to protest on behalf of black lives matter. i can't breathe 8:46. this is a continuation of the protests that we've seen across the country and impeded now by the local tulsa police who are trying to facilitate the rally on behalf of the u.s. president. it's got to be a very difficult situation for the local police here, but they've clearly made a decision that they'll try to facilitate this rally instead of allowing people to peacefully protest and scuttle up the entryways, joy. >> this is remarkable. the visuals of this alone. i wish we had more time but a commercial break is upon us. thank you all very much. coming up, trump's man at the justice department turns the eye on the sdny.

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>> i have nothing to add to that this morning. i'm just here to do my job. >> just hours ago attorney general barr announced that is berman refused to resign. shortly after the announcement, donald trump had this to say about berman's supposed firing. >> why did you file geoffry berman?

>> attorney barr is working on that. we have a very capable attorney general so that's really up to him. i'm not involved. >> wrong answer. as the u.s. attorney for sdny, berman oversaw the investigations of several trump allies including michael cohen, rudy giuliani, and other associates. moments ago geoffrey berman released a statement. joining me now, a msnbc analyst and a former watergate prosecutor. the normal operation would be if barr wanted to get rid of the u.s. attorney he would appoint the under u.s. attorney. that's what happened now. ornl originally he wanted to put in the head of the s.e.c. who is

not even a prosecutor. did that strike you as corrupt, nefarious, suspicious? >> all of the love. above. every single one of those would apply here. this is an example of what john bolton wrote in his book about donald trump practicing obstruction of justice as a way of life. what has happened here ironically is the same thing that happened back in 1969 when there was a refusal to resign by nixon's attorney general and did so until they agreed to put someone in as u.s. attorney who would be independent and would not be politically motivated. so i think what happens here is exactly what happened back in 1969. mr. berman saw that strauss is

going to take his place so he's pulled the same thing many years later. history has repeated itself. what donald trump was trying to do in the beginning by obstructing the investigation into rudy giuliani and into the investigation surrounding his inauguration, has failed miserably and unlikely he'll get the head of s.e.c. to be confirmed. anyone that's up for election this time is not going to want to jump on this bandwagon of obstruction of justice. it's just not going to happen. >> that's very optimistic. we've seen that the behavior of republicans has been -- there's none that have courage to stand up to donald trump. whatever it is they're afraid of, they're afraid of it. it's hard to believe that mitch mcconnell will not rush the

s.e.c. guy to the floor of the united states senate to try to get him put in. you know, whether or not that happens, what do you make of the fact that barr did this. it's hard to believe it's not for some reason to protect donald trump. maybe it's deutsche bank. whatever it is or that donald trump said he wasn't aware of it. did that strike you as weird? >> donald trump is a person who thinks he's above the law, who was angry at jeff sessions for recusing himself when it came to the russia interference investigation and then faced ten different instances of claims he had obstructed justice including asking his white house counsel to lie for him. and in that, we also saw him say on air force one when asked

about $130,000 payments to stormy daniels, he said ask michael cohen, i know nothing about it. we find out he was writing checks to pay michael cohen back for paying stormy daniels. we should not believe what donald trump says when he's feeling heat because something has just happened that may, may be about obstructing justice in a way that helps donald trump. at least it appears that way. now, the reality of -- nick mentioned what we heard in john bolton's book is what we've seen in his behavior. this is a president who wants to help people who he feels can help him hold office and win election. so for all we know it's about helping somebody else. we have no idea. the only thing we do know is there was nothing normal about this and that mr. berman himself believed that this was about interfering with investigations.

his statement last night was pretty bold in saying the investigations of the office would move forward without delay or interruption as long as he was there. now he's stepping down without a fight. now that he knows audrie strauss who is independent and not someone who will delay or interfere with investigations in the office is still in place. i think that tells us everything we need to know. >> nick, you know, a republican friend of mine said to me, we were talking today and said if donald trump was able to replace this experienced prosecutor with an s.e.c. guy with no experience as a prosecutor, especially william barr would be the sdny u.s. attorney. he would be -- basically he would act through that person. what makes me suspicious, you have prosecuted financial crimes. we're waiting for the supreme court to rule on whether

congress can get held of donald trump's taxes. that is coming. does it seem suspicious that barr takes an aggressive action, a saturday night massacre but instead a friday night massacre with those things coming down, with the deutsche bank questions out there. could this be about the president of the united states and his own finances more so than a friend like rudy giuliani? >> i think it's all about donald trump. i mean, that's the only reason barr did this. this was not something that barr suddenly did on his own like donald trump tries to portray. this was a conspiracy to obstruct justice between donald trump and attorney general barr. there's no question about it. the fact that donald trump comes out when he's questioned about this and plays stupid and lies about his conversations with barr is just so obvious. i mean, there's all kinds of reasons why donald trump is concerned about the southern district of new york.

this is where he resides. this is where trump tower is headquartered. this is where all of these financial crimes occurred. he's got every reason to want to scuttle this office and this investigation. this is pure unadulterated obstruction of justice. >> i have to ask this question, if you were berman's lawyer would you say to him defy whatever the white house says to you and go and testify before the house judiciary committee immediately? >> absolutely, yes. no question. given his statement last night, what he is suggesting is that we have the criminal in chief in the white house. >> very well said. very succinctly said. you guys are great. thank you very much for coming on tonight. coming up, more from tulsa.

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okay. i want to bring in back live from the ground in tulsa msnbc correspondent cal perry. you have a lot going on around you. what's the update? >> reporter: that small group of black lives matter protesters are facing off with trump supporters. it calms down and grows and calms down and grows. the other thing that's happening and not just today, people are wearing their political affiliations on their faces in the face masks. this has happened at the trump events where majority of trump supporters are not wearing masks and protesters are wearing masks. it's easy to decipher who is who though in the age of the pandemic it's confusing. that's what you see is this face-off. everything is peaceful. we saw a minor scuffle. the thing that made a big difference is when police announced if you have a weapon, you need to clear the street.

half of the folks that were on this street left, joy. >> very quickly, what is the attitude of police? are they peaceful? are they being, you know, calm? >> reporter: they're peaceful. they're being calm. they're giving instructions via these megaphones and priority looks to be to get trump folks with tickets off to the side and into police lines into the center. >> all right. thank you very much, cal. don't go anywhere. we'll come back to you later. with kentucky primaries around the corner, voting advocates fear that tuesday may be a very messy day marked by long lines and frustrated voters. former nba star is joining in the effort to prevent suppression of black people. joining me now is kendrick perkins. thank you for being here. here's what berman tweeted about

what's going on in kentucky. kentucky cut the number of polling places for tuesday's primary from 3,700 to 200. there will be one polling place for 616,000 registered voters in louisville's jefferson county where half of the state's black voters live. this is going to be a disaster. what do you make of the fact that it's 2020 and you still have that kind of blatant voter suppression going on in an american state? >> you know, it's very disturbing and it's hurtful. this is why we formed more than a vote. we basically formed our own white house for the voting process. a great president in lebron james and a powerful congress in all of the powerful athletes and former athletes behind him. here's why. one reason is because, you know, we are heavily -- we are

invested into our communities. yes, we have given back money and given back to school programs and build schools, et cetera, et cetera, but now it's time for a change. and with our powerful group, we don't want a temporary change. we're in it for the marathon, for the long haul. how can you do that? as an african-american, we work off emotions. we go off emotions. i'm an emotional guy. you also have to be a smart guy and think this through. how can we make change? can we change racism? no. but what we can change is the system. how do we change the system? by voting. but the problem about voting is that the african-american communities don't trust the system, and they shouldn't. we developed a powerful group where they could trust us. they could come to us for information about where to vote, how to vote, information about voting, who you're voting for, and don't let the system or

so-called -- you have a so-called system tell you lies, give you disinformation, and intimidate you. that's why we formed this powerful group more than a vote and we're standing up for it. we are in it for the long haul, and we're here to give back to our communities to educate the african communities and let them know that their vote is powerful and if you want change, this is the way we got to go about it. >> just for those who have not heard of it, i'm sure you have seen it over instagram it's formed by lebron james and bringing together nba stars, nfl stars, film and tv stars. on instagram lebron posted it. it's yourself and alex felix and lots of different people. i heard someone say that one of the biggest concerns that civil rights groups have is that african-americans don't typically vote absentee.

donald trump is going after the post office. there isn't a long history of that. is one of the things more than a vote going to do is focus on people getting their absentee ballots and mailing them? >> absolutely. we're focusing on all areas. that's why we want to be that group that the african-americans trust. you know, they can lean on. they can reach out to us for information about whether or not something is true or should i take this step. that matters. like, we have to get the right people in office and the right people in those seats. we can't keep rotating seats. listen, they have people in the congress and white house that have been there for over 50 years. so it's time for a change. at the end of the day, we have this powerful group like i said before that's right here with open arms that's willing to give the right information and not let them distract us, lie to us,

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>> if i played 400 rounds of monopoly with you and for 50 years every time i played if you don't like what i did, you get to burn it like they did in tulsa and rosewood, how can you win? how can you win? you can't win. the game is fixed. >> as we have watched protests persist across the u.s. for 25 straight days in the wake of the killing of george floyd and others, president trump holds a gathering in tulsa. we're reminded that voices like you just heard is what keeps the pressure on national and local governments for literally

centuries to make actual change. joining me now is the woman in that viral video, an activist, writer and filmmaker. we also have host of the podcast into america and co-founder of ba black lives matter and joe is here as well. kimberly, i have watched that video of you like it's a mixed tape. i keep watching it over and over and over again. it was so profound. it was so perfect. it was exquisitexquisite. i have to say that to you. what is the reaction? everyone has played it. john oliver, everyone. what's the reaction you've gotten to those powerful words? >> predominantly the feedback that i've gotten has been positive. of course we all have our share of trolls. for the most part i feel like people really understood my message and the point that i was trying to make in that we

haven't really taken an opportunity to dig into the why we've gotten into this place and why we find ourselves at these milestones like l.a. riots and ferguson and now we're here. it gave people an opportunity to unpack what this looks like. i'm not surprised it happened on the back of a pandemic where people had to slow down and grapple with this subject. >> and to stay with you for just one moment, we're looking at donald trump rallying and the arena is not even full. we've seen pictures of it on twitter. he's trying to pack an arena with people who would be enraged to hear what you had to say. you made what i think is the most coherent, clear, current case for younger people to understand reparations. is that what you think needs to happen in a place like tulsa, in a place like rosewood? as you said, the monopoly board was cleared off and people can't win. do you think reparations is what needs to happen? >> i definitely think that's

what needs to happen. the interesting part about it is since that video went viral, i've done more research myself and people have continued to send me links and information and books and right now i'm up to about 35 cities in which you have instances similar to tulsa. tulsa was most brutal of all of them, but you had the killing of 865 share croppers in florida and similar incident in nova scotia and the move that pushed people out of central park so this has happened throughout this country and history where people were put in a position to build economic wealth and they were pushed out and that wealth was destroyed. the list is never ending. you also can't forget that there is economic wealth that was built from slavery that people still benefit from. so if you discuss that, then you have to discuss the economic debt that has been put on black people and i think it's time we had some form of restitution for

that. >> you know, joe, there's been a lot of talk -- i believe our good friend has a piece out right now saying maybe it's time to think about the way this minority rule is taking place in the united states. wait we thought about south africa's minority rule. and that if this continues, let's say there is another four years of trump, that the rest of the world, which already pities us, maybe you ought to think of things like sanctions. is that something people should talk about at this point? >> well, at this point i think that people ought to be talking about what your last guest was talking about and that is making folks understand that we control this and we control it at the ballot box. everything you're saying is possible. it has to be public policy. and the people who make public policy are the ones who get elected on the state, local, or national level.

so i would not disagree with your question and what you're asking. but we have to understand we control the ballot. we control the politics. we can control public policy. i tell you the thing that i so admire is that i saw a sign that one of the young people held up that said you have messed with the wrong generation. i couldn't be more prouder of this generation and the one thing we have going for us is the social media. we don't have to wait a week or a month to hear about what happened in tulsa. reparations is an example. there's also legal reparations because remember, joy and others, no one was arrested or charged in the tulsa riot.

now, think about this. it was the only city bombed from the air. how many people do you think in those days owned an airplane that you couldn't find? so the reparations have to be not only financial but it also has to be legal, and we've got to hold these people accountable legal and that's going to be difficult. don't let this rally today distract you from what donald trump just did in new york. this is nothing more than a distraction from what he just did in new york. >> we remain undistracted because we're paying attention to both things at the same time. you have me obsessed with can't stop, won't stop is how i feel about this generation we're talking about. you showed in the activism that you have led that even in a

state like alabama, which a lot of democrats have written off, they've written off the south in a very big way, that a democrat can win. a democrat is the governor in north carolina and kentucky. democrats should not write this out. and kentucky and to the points that have been made made, something like, for instance, changing police reform. look at the state where we've seen changes since the killing of george floyd. all the iowa democratic states. so it does matter who's in power. >> i think part of what we also have to recognize is while racism is alive, it's not -- what i mean by that is there is a generation of people in this country led by the black

organizers and activists and when i look at the front lines, i'm looking at a multi-generational, multi-racial group of people who are saying black lives matter. that is a major shift in kr think and where the possibility and potential. when the people say well, the south is red and the south is republican, ultimately i like to say that the south isn't red, it's not organized. it's been underinvested. when you look at the expansion of voter suppression, that's because they know the numbers are on our side. if we imagine a different kind of america and as though young people become more empowered and more physically engaged, we're seeing these major shifts happen. it's not about just even when we talk about policy, it's not just about policy.

we got to have people power. an example of that to me is brown versus the board of education is 1954. most schools were desegregated in had the early 70s. you've got to engage and inform people. that's what this organizing does. this is a moment when i think amazing organizing is happening in the midst of this traumatic racism we're seeing coming out of the without. >> we're looking inside this arena and a handful of people have masks on. those people will go out into the world and interact with shop owners and restaurant owners and people.

the state had tried to pass some things to maintain the health of the people who came to rallies. they backed down to donald trump. what have you heard from people there in those kinds of communities where you're lochte into a ruby red state, where you can't get heck, you can't get heck expansion and you can't get reparations for what they've done in tulsa?

imagine what you'd get if you are actually seeking vengeance? holding this rally in tulsa, oklahoma, so close to juneteenth, knowing what it means, it's another cut and more salt in the wound, joy. >> it absolutely is. i wish i had more time with you people. you are some of the more impressive people i've got to talk with. if you're not aware of what we're seeing on the other side of the screen, to entertain the crowd are diamond and silk. they're there to do their act for that almost entirely white crowd. you can make of that what you will. they have added i guess what would be called diversity to the proceedings by having at least

two black people there who are there to entertain. let me bring back in cal perry as they do their act, diamond and silk. cal? >> reporter: i'll give you the ultimate split screen moment, diamond and silk there and the corner of boulder and fourth belongs to black lives matter. they are now in charge of this street corner, joy. >> diamond and silk actually began as youtubers who actually were black lives matter at one point. they switched sides and now they're doing their new act with their new friends. cal perry and everyone on our panel, they going to be back? i don't think so. i think we're done. let me come back for a final

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that is our show for tonight. i'll be back tomorrow morning bright and early at 10 a.m. eastern for "a.m. joy" as ali velshi takes over. ali! >> do i have bad information? i thought you were going to be with me a little bit later on. are you going to leave this entire spectacle to me? >> am i coming back?

i'm here for you. >> i'm glad diamond and silk of adding some diversity to the event tonight. but the one thing, joy, you and i have been looking at for the last several weeks in the streets of america with those protests is actually real diversity. those marches in the streets of seattle, in the streets of minneapolis, in the streets of chicago, in the streets of new york, that is diversity in action. so if we're going to play a diversity game tonight, the protesters are going to win. >> absolutely. talking with civil rights leader, talking with rev sharpton, bishop barber, to a person what activists have been saying to me and i'm sure to you, ali, is that what's been remarkable about this 25 days of consecutive protest all over the country, really all over the world, is how diverse it's been. it hasn'tn and