the stadium itself isn't full. in fact, it's -- there's a lot of empty space on the inside. >> i think that heads will roll over this. i mean, you couldn't have had worse and more disastrous opening to this campaign. good morning. happy father's day and welcome to "a.m. joy" and quite a father's day it will be in america. for families like george floyd's and rayshard brooks' whose killings have put people in the streets for 26 days and counting. not that the president of the united states seems to have noticed. instead, donald j. trump decided to throw him a self-esteem party in tulsa, oklahoma. the saturday night return of the trump rally was meant to boost not just his sour mood as he sits in the white house longing for the crowds and the applause and the lock her ups, but also to reenergize his campaign which

he's losing to joe biden according to every poll even fox news. but it didn't work out the way he and brad parscale planned. they led up to the rally touting huge numbers and more than one million ticket requests. but the day of the vast majority of whoever requested those tickets were nowhere to be found. in fact, the 19,000 seat capacity center was visibly empty in some areas and now forbes is reporting turnout was only a rather humiliating 6,200. the events the campaign boasted about for the overflow of guests were canceled because there clearly was no overflow. there was so much extra space in the arena the mostly maskless trump crowd actually could have social distanced. though they did sign waivers in case they catch covid. reports of k-pop fans and tiktok

teens soon flooded twitter, with claims they purposely ordered hundreds of thousands of tickets as a prank. recognizing the flop, trump allies rushed to twist the narrative and most likely anticipating the fury, parscale blamed radical protesters for the poor showing. the reporting from our own cal perry made it very clear, there were no radical protesters disrupting anything, except for the far right, boogaloo boys who are on trump's side and also on the side of a second civil war. trump did serve the tiny lit crowd that he did have, some of the greatest hits. he attacked the defund the police movement, he praised confederate monuments, rolled out the favorite anti-ethnic slur name for the coronavirus which i won't repeat and he suggested slowing covid testing down so the numbers wouldn't look so bad, something that the

white house had denied he had done. oops. the rally which has been labeled as a potential super spreader of coronavirus also comes the same week that the united states hit the grim milestone of more than 120,000 deaths from covid-19. and after six members of trump's own campaign advance team including two secret service members tested positive for the virus. but at least he got his applause, just from a really tiny number of applauders. joining me now is dr. cory abeer, cochair of the covid-19 minority task force. and the president and the ceo of vote a latino. jonathan capehart, msnbc political corrector. david jolly, i'll start with you. here's a drudge headline last night. that could not have been pleasing to the trump campaign and probably got brad parscale screamed at. here it is.

it says maga-less mega. maga-less mega. it shows the whole empty top part of the arena. there were only 6,000 some odd people there. somebody going to get fired? is this the kind of thing that somebody gets fired over, because this was a complete -- a complete bollix. >> it was. look, joy, this was a disastrous night for the president because it was framed as kind of the launch to his summer campaign going into november. nothing about the event worked. we saw the poor attendance, the sparse crowds. we know how that damages donald trump's ego. but it was also a president who was off his game. he had lost his stride, he was off message. you know, there really was no core message until the very end when he went to the teleprompter for the last five or ten minutes. there was some kind of distressing elements, the notion of delaying covid testing.

frankly i think bringing up ilhan omar's somali heritage is something we'll hear more. the bully pulpit of the presidency is an awesome force and in a year in which the nation has suffered from a health pandemic, from an economic collapse, and now what should be a very constructive national conversation on race and race relations in america, the president either ignored those themes, punted or outright misled on them for his own political purposes. it's a reflection on the moral failings of this man who will be ultimately judged by voters in november. >> you know, jonathan, you have covered campaigns. i mean, i have worked on campaigns, i can tell you these were basic advance team mistakes. you know, there was a whole thread last night tweeted, you never announce how many people are going to be there because it's like throwing a party and saying it will be full and then

it's empty and you're humiliated. you never do that. but here is kayleigh mcenany and brad parscale, boasting in advance, 1 million ticket requests for donald trump's rally on saturday. right? like $1 million, brad, just past 800,000 tickets and biggest sign-up of all. saturday is going to be amazing. here is donald trump himself talking about what was going to happen. >> and we expect to have, you know, like a record setting crowd. we have never had an empty seat and we certainly won't in oklahoma. >> jonathan, i can just tell you that the obama campaign never did things like this and they were always capacity crowds and they didn't have diamond and silk opening for them. they had like jay z, okay? the opening acts were not -- he didn't need his kids to open. these were basic mistakes.

>> yeah. >> he's the president. >> yes, he's the president but this is what happens when everyone in an administration, when they speak they are only speaking to an audience of one. they are speaking in ways that they know the boss is listening, the boss cares about numbers. the boss cares about spectacle. the boss cares about looking big, grand and tough. and so as you said, before the thing even started they put out a press release saying, oh, radical this and radical that kept people away, threatened people, kept people away from the arena, no. people didn't go, because they didn't want to go. you can tell when he walked out -- i watched so you didn't have to, america, almost two hours of this thing. and you could tell when he walked out, he was not happy and even in "the new york times" they talk about the fact that he was mad. and so here's the thing to keep in mind about president trump that i learned during the

debates in 2016. brother man keeps talking until he gets applause. until he gets cheers from the audience. and that's why we heard basically a retread from 2015, 2016. all the greatest hits, plus the new -- plus some new stuff from the current administration. he talked about thugs. he talked about the slur on the coronavirus. we're the elite, we're the elite, they're not the elite. i have nicer apartments, i have nicer things, i have nicer everything, fake news, build the wall, socialism. bad hombres he even said and then the tangents into the west point speech and ticking off, you know, defending himself over the rant, drinking of the water. saluting. and then the whole -- you know, air force one. it was -- >> we believe you. i can drink water with one hand and look, i didn't fall down the ramp. you're bringing it up when you do that, man.

you're bringing it up yourself. you're reminding us that you can't drink water with one hand by saying it. i mean, marie teresa, even the screaming, when you do advance work you try to frame behind the president. but there were only like maybe eight black people there, so they kind of festooned them around and tried to get them in the frame. they didn't do that right. it was really weird, weird, weird. your thoughts, marie teresa? >> well, you know there was a rumor on craigslist they were doing an open casting call for people of color, so perhaps those folks answered that call. >> i hope the checks clear. >> seriously. but to take a step back, most presidents that are incumbents come out of the gate saying this is how i'm going to make america great again, but instead he went back to 2016 going after immigrants, going after trade, going after law and order,

making sure that we wanted law and order and didn't offer solutions in the greatest opportunity to provide real policy solutions to americans who are suffering from health, suffering from the greatest unemployment. talking about civil rights. he missed that opportunity and instead he went after joe biden saying i'm not joe. joe's never been president. we actually do not know what his policies are. it's so curious. and instead, he framed it -- he frames the campaign, us versus then and we talked about nuanced policies, how do we address health care and student debt. there was no policy agenda for his magna 2.0. do we want make america great 2.0 because it's not looking so great right now. he sputtered and he failed. he failed to address the principal challenges of our

time. you saw his trial balloon. this is what he's going to try to pivot away from. he kept talking about how the virus was not his fault. it came from china. he talked about how immigration is still a very bad thing and the kids in cages wasn't his fault. that was all obama and biden. and then he said how unemployment wasn't his fault either so i would encourage the biden campaign to make sure those things stick stick stick because all three are under his watch. >> i think his campaign theme should be it's not my fault. like that should be -- because he's like, that's not my fault. that's not my fault. so i just happened to be in the white house when that stuff happened. it's not my fault. let me bring in the good doctor, dr. abeer. the poor little 6,000 people, the sad little group -- you know, he won this state with 68% of the vote.

hillary clinton only got 28%. if you can't fill up a 19,000 seat arena, you have problems, man. but anyhoo the people who showed up had to sign waivers if they got coronavirus -- because they didn't have masks on, most of them, it's not his fault. since of his advanced team tested positive for covid. the 19 -- so he already sickened six of his own people. harvard university tweeted this is consistent with everything i have heard in conversations with folks at the federal government, the concerted effort to reduce availability of testing for americans while ramping up testing of white house staff. it's amazing to me the president admitted this policy. he's talking about the quote i'm about to play now. here is trump talking about testing. >> testing is the double-edged sword. when you do testing to that extent, you're going to find more people, you're going to find more cases. so i said to my people, slow the

testing down, please. they test and they test. we have tests of people who don't know what's going on. we have tests. we have another one over here. the young man's 10 years old. he's got the sniffles. he'll recover in about 15 minutes. that's the case. >> doctor, that's a hell of an as administration, a damning, damning admission. >> yes. joy, just let me say, these super spreader events are so problematic because they're like a combination of science and setting. you really have to be infected at that point and this you either have symptoms or you don't. you don't know if you have covid-19 when you walk into their door. you could have covid-19 and not have a temperature over 100.4 or be totally infected and have a temperature over that. the problem is you have an event like this you are not using

masks, you're not physically or social distanced, you're chanting all ridiculous things it's a set-up for disaster. what i'm worried and it makes me sad because of the 6,000 people that were there, granted, they made that choice, but when they go home to their children and to their grandparents and parents they are going to be giving out this virus in a way that can cause the numbers to go up in tulsa, whether you check the numbers and do the testing or stop the testing. at the end of the day, the numbers that -- that will really matter is the amount of people in the icu. the amount of deaths that will happen because of the super spreader event you can't hide that. the point is that when you start saying things like this, i think even his base is going to start to say, you know, this guy may not know what he's talking about as far as the science. we know that, but i think his base may be shaken because of this now. i'm not trying to be political here because i'm a scientist but

what i do know is that anybody out there who wants to have an event like this, please think about it because it's not the people that are going to be there that are going to be the problem. the science and the setting, that's disaster and death and that's what i want you to think about. >> last word to you, david. at least it's not that many people, but the fact is, you know, it is -- there's this almost religious fervor for donald trump among the people who did show up. but you know the point of a religion is that your savior dies for you. they don't ask you to die for them. because that's another kind of religious-like experience. what is that about and do you think that it's clear from that tiny crowd that trump is losing his grip on the bulk of the people who would -- maybe they voted against hillary clinton, they didn't like hillary clinton for whatever reason. but is that a winning campaign? they looked bored. it was -- i don't know. >> you're right. to use donald trump's own words

it was a low energy crowd and a low energy president who failed to muster the enthusiasm that we have seen in this campaign and also to your point, to the doctor's point, you know, something that's a hard conversation to have, but it must be said about our president's leadership and about those who attended last night and all of us. wearing a mask is an act of selflessness saying you'll protect the people around you, and that includes people who are compromised or elderly and that includes your neighbor and the person next to you. so when donald trump fails to use the leadership of his office to suggest mask wearing protects others he's showing himself to be selfish and people who adopt that same philosophy are doing the same thing as well. you wear a mask to protect the people around you and those you love. donald trump showed selfishness and many of the attendees followed his leadership in making that same decision. >> yeah. i mean, you know, you can really feel the loss of the culture there because donald trump -- that is not going to attract

independents or new people to him, but i'll tell you a whole lot of people are going to get attracted to k-pop and tiktok. they won last night. they won big. thank you all, i really appreciate it. david will be back in our next hour and coming up, we know william barr fired the head of the sdny. we don't know why. we'll dive into that next. know. we'll dive into that next. wayfair has everything outdoor from grills to play sets and more one of a kind finds. it all ships free. and with new deals every day you can explore endless options at every price point. get your outdoor oasis delivered fast so you can get the good times going. ♪ wayfair. you've got just what i need. ♪

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it's been a wild weekend for the southern district of new york was the top prosecutor was fired on saturday after a late-night duel in the press conference in which barr said geoffrey berman had decided to resign. barr said he asked donald trump

to remove him from his post. but shortly after, donald trump had this to say about his role in berman's so-called firing. >> why did you fire geoffrey berman? >> that's all into the attorney general, attorney general barr is working on that. that's his department. not my department. but we have a very capable attorney general so that's really up to him. i'm not involved. >> yeah, that's not what you're supposed to say. berman then said that he will in fact leave effective immediately but only because barr appointed his deputy as his replacement. not a chosen flunky as he planned. i would like to bring in former federal prosecutor cynthia alksne and noah wyle. cynthia, it seems like berman won this round with barr because barr was going to put in a person who had no prosecutorial

experience, currently working at the sec, meaning he would be the southern district of new york? because he failed, right? am i reading that right, as a win for berman? >> you are absolutely reading that correctly. what he's done in what disaster of an attempted firing, he's gotten rid of somebody -- although well respected, he was a trump supporter and giuliani law partner, now he has one well respected who is completely protected in the job. because nobody can get rid of her and he's admitted he can't get rid of her. he's inspired 200 federal prosecutors who are working overtime. he's made lindsey graham so mad he won't help him out and he's highlighted the corruption at the department of justice. from the beginning to the end this was a complete disaster. >> it was -- he tried it though. here was geoffrey berman on saturday saying in light of the decision to respect the normal

operation of law and have deputy u.s. attorney audrey strauss become acting u.s. attorney, i will be leaving effective immediately. does that mean now he's free to testify because i'm quite sure the house judiciary committee would like to talk to him? >> yeah. berman is absolutely free to testify and if he believes there was interference in any ongoing investigations by attorney general barr who has been the donald trump defense attorney then he should absolutely do that. he will have to be careful because one thing he wouldn't want to do and no current or former prosecutor will ever do is undermine an ongoing investigation by talking with too much detail about the investigation itself because that undermine obviously the investigation. but the issue here is fundamentally about whether the

department of justice remains independent in any way from the trump defense team. we have already seen that william barr has made clear as an attorney general where he stands. i think what we have heard from mr. berman is i'm not that guy. i'm actually someone who took the oath of office even as a trump supporter. even as someone who gave to his campaign and fund raised for him, even as someone who was the law partner of rudy giuliani, who is the person who suggested him to donald trump in the first place for a u.s. attorney seat, even though i am all those things i draw the line at justice and i think if that's what happened here, which his statement seems to make clear to me at least that was his view of it, then he should share that view publicly with congress and with the american people. >> yeah. and i mean, right. you know, donald trump puts people in place i think that he thinks are corruptible because of their associations with his friends and sometimes they are

and sometimes they're not. the original statement, when barr said he was fired, renamed a replacement, jay clayton. he said, no, i have no intention of resigning my position. i'll step down when a presidentially appointed nominee is cleared by the senate. so that was a nope nope. here are the investigations that we know of into trump associates by the southern district. michael cohen, rudy giuliani, igor fuhrman and lev parnas. you made the point about lindsey graham. he said he'll uphold the democratic veto power over the influential u.s. attorney nomination. because they can blue slip it and both have called on clayton to withdraw. why would they want him to withdraw? he's a former corporate lawyer,

he's represented financial institutions like goldman sachs and ding ding ding deutsche bank which could be one of the things under investigation and most importantly he's never been a prosecutor a day in his life. cynthia, can you think of an innocent explanation for why william barr would be determined to put a man in office that has zero prosecutorial experience but lots of experience representing deutsche bank? >> i cannot think of a good reason. not only prosecutorial experience, but as a criminal defense attorney he doesn't have any that meets the requirements. this isn't the first time that barr has done something like this. this is essentially what he did in d.c., my old office. he wanted to get stone's sentence reduced and he did -- he pushed out the u.s. attorney there with a sleight of hand by offering her another job which is what he tried to do here. he then pressured the new u.s. attorney flunky he put in to

dismiss the flynn case and the local prosecutors wouldn't even sign the paperwork. his corruption is on magnificent display again on this weekend. i can't imagine given that the president had this disaster of a rally and the covid numbers are so terrible and even his own staff is turning up with it that what he really wanted to see was that barr had not only ruined and destroyed any semblance of normalcy in this firing, but also made lindsey graham made and didn't succeed in getting what he wanted in the first place. the only thing i can say is there's got to be something that barr is afraid of in those investigative files at the united states attorney's office and he knows that come november there's a new sheriff in town and they're afraid of it and they should be afraid of it because they have made a lot of smart people mad. >> absolutely. and maya, you know, i think

about the fact there's still supreme court cases out there, one of which involves donald trump's taxes so it feels like some chickens are coming home to roost and maybe that's why william barr is rushing of to get his own people into place. >> that's certainly the appearance. i would say two things. one, we don't even know all of the investigations that are under way at the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district. they have so much material there could be many different investigations that touch either directly on donald trump or on his associates and partners and allies that will make him look bad. it's really unknowable by us without being on the inside. but certainly what we do know is such a long laundry list of investigation that does directly implicate the president that it is very hard without any alternative explanation for why you would remove a u.s. attorney who's been in place since 2018

without any -- any statement or any visible reason for his removal. in the last year of your administration, when he has a four-year term, it usually doesn't happen that way. usually u.s. attorneys are removed because a new administration comes in that wants to put in its own people. that happens on both sides of the aisle. this is highly unusual. it is not normal. and the only last thing i'll say is i'm not so sure lindsey graham is angry because donald trump did something wrong. i think lindsey graham who has spent so much of his time as a defender of the president in the face of what can only be called gross abuse of power is much more worried about the political optics than his moral compass. but because this is a republican senate that has essentially since donald trump took office said, you know that blue slip, you know where we looked for senators to say, you know, good things or indicate that they had

concerns about a judicial nominee, the thing that we had been honoring, the thing that we had defended when barack obama was president, yeah, that's out the window for donald trump. so now all of a sudden he's concerned about the blue slip? why now? why not in 2018 or 2017? >> yeah. i have -- very quickly. yeah, we're out of time. >> very quickly, i just think we need to recognize that this is a skirmish and it's not over. barr has a lot of ways to try to influence that investigation and it's not like oh, we won this one, no problem. they have it in the southern district of new york. no, he has a lot of control over what happens there. in tax cases, wiretap cases, security clearances, in emails, the computer system. everything. so this is -- my guess is this pressure point as he's trying to influence whatever he's so afraid of that's coming up, that

pressure will continue and i want to agree with maya that i think that lindsey graham is political. i think mostly he was embarrassed that he wasn't even relevant enough to be included in this discussion. >> well, we are going to have one of the reasons he might be nervous coming up at the top of the next hour because he has a real race coming up in november. cynthia alksne and maya will be back in the next hour. ber. cynthia alksne and maya will be back in the next hour. how about no no uh uh, no way

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this has been a century of work, over 200 times this legislation has come up to ban lynching. so one person right now is stopping what would be -- for this country, not only establishing law for the future, but actually acknowledging the grievous, heinous, vicious wretched past and the failure of this body, the united states senate, to protect its citizenry. >> more than 100 years after pioneering and as of this year, posthumous pulitzer prize winning author ida bae wells, fought for the anti-lynching in the senate, cory booker is

leading the charge. it's a fight that's been re-ignited since george floyd's death and after the killing of ahmaud arbery. the push comes after the hanging deaths of black and hispanic men across the country. the fbi is monitoring into the deaths of two black men found hanging from trees in southern california. ten days apart. though the family of one of the men now says they believe his death was a suicide. there have been at least five indents of hangings in public places in recent weeks that have all been ruled suicides. but some of the families of the victims are not convinced and are demanding thorough investigations. joining me now is jim kavanaugh, msnbc law enforcement columnist. i want to show you a brief headline of the recent cases.

in california, two black men, california hanging death of black men summoned a scrutiny. in new york, a death of a man found hanging in the tree in manhattan, that was ruled a suicide by the medical examiner. in houston, a teen said to have hanged himself and on elementary school property. a man found dead outside of a store in shady acres. a lot of people -- it's all in my twitter feed and in my text messages a lot of people don't believe these are suicides. what goes into deciding whether or not a case like this is a suicide or a homicide? >> well, it's the complete circumstances, joy, that surround the violent death. and it takes a trained investigation to go in there and look, get all the facts and you know, these are cases when black men are hung from trees in public places that the police, law enforcement, has to step up more than say a death in the private apartment, with the

locked door, with a note that, you know, it's pretty clear it's suicide. they can tell the family members here you have a history of over 4,000 lynchings in america of black men in public places. and this is just another case in my view of law enforcement just not in tune enough with our histo history to understand the angst, whether they're murder or suicide. they need to be thoroughly investigated on the separate merits and a good homicide investigators and medical examiners can usually tell the difference. if it's homicide, they really need to put a lot of resources on it and go after it heavy. >> yeah, i mean we know that, you know, on record, there were more than 4,400 lynchings

through the early 19th century and we know at least 2,000 black people, men, women and children were lynched which white mobs according to new research. historians have struggled to figure out how many blacks were lynched and the numbers are coming into clearer focus. 6,500 lynches have been documented between 1865 the end of the civil war and 1950. including 2,000 attacks that weren't even tallied in recent reports. we're just talking a lot about tulsa, which is a mass murder. i remember covering with my producer -- we went down to mississippi to cover the case of otis james byrd, found near the property of the woman he alleged to have murdered. he winds up dead and we never could get any clarity on it and a lot of the black folks didn't believe it was a suicide.

there was another case of a guy called kendrick johnson whose body was found rolled in a gym mat in a high school. his family wants a new investigation. they have always claimed that he didn't kill himself. the thing is that when it's a black man or a woman and they're killed in a strange way, particularly hanging, it is suspicious to a lot of black folks. is there something that law enforcement should be doing to communicate differently on these cases because people are afraid that lynching is back, given the atmosphere in the country right now. >> yes, it should be suspicious to not only black citizens but all americans when anybody suffers a violent death like this. and law enforcement has to aggressively investigate it. let's go back to the last documented lynching probably not the last one, but the last documented one in america was michael donald in mobile, alabama, in 1981 where as a result of a murder of a

policeman -- a white policeman, the united klans of america in tuscaloosa ordered the killing of a black man and two of the members, you know, kidnapped him and slit his it through. i was over alabama operations, thank you took the headquarters gave it to the family. why that was so important they were responsible for the deaths of you know, the freedom rioters, they beat them and they were behind the faction of the

bombing of the 16th street church. >> you know -- >> the police need to get aggressive and give the facts out. >> yeah. there was a noose found in the park. before i let you go, when you look at the ahmaud arbery case we know there were shootings, burnings at the stake. is that the kind of a case that you would class as a lynching, three men chasing hum down? >> yeah. yeah, the only thing missing is a rope. arbery, it's a license they can

do that. what should have happened in the case, joy, the shotgun should have been taken. that should have been the beginning of justice should have started that moment. >> yeah. wish -- never forget back in the day, many of the lynchings weren't in law enforcement. the man was a former law enforcement officer which gave him a break. more "a.m. joy" after the break. him a break. more "a.m. joy" after the break. (burke) at farmers, we know a thing or two because

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comic books, that's how i learned to read. being born to a 16-year-old mom and raised by my grandparents, we made due with the opportunities we created for ourselves, because that's all we had. i learned a lot from them, too. that real heroes help people, value honesty and loyalty. my story is my story. lindsey graham's story, is just comical. >> wow. jamie harrison making the case not all heroes wear capes. in what was once considered a safe gop seat, democrats are

seizing the opportunity to try to retake the senate. one popular tactic is to expose the hypocrisy of the republican opponents who have left so many americans behind. charles booker, who had been considered the underdog in kentucky's democratic primary tuesday, has this to say about the man that he wants to unseat. >> you know the name of the man i'm talking about. but he doesn't know your name. doesn't see you in the hospital bed or in the check outliout li. doesn't see you at all. without paying a living wage. he denies climate change and denies us a knfuture. this man knows how to work the system. he is the ar architect. he is not your brother. he seas he isn't from here. >> joining me are five democrats running for the senate.

this is historic. if you look at these box, take a picture of your tv, because this is the thing that the barack obama presidency promised that you would see a surge of african-americans running for office. what i love about this story is that this is happening in the south. pay attention, democrats. it's in the south. this is where the game is going to be played. let me start with jamie harrison. your ad -- your comic book ad shows lindsey graham flip-flopping -- here it is. graham as a comic book villain, flip-flopping around. what is your core case against senator graham? >> thank you so much, joy. happy father's day to my brothers on the show today.

listen, my case is that lindsey has been an absentee senator. it's like watching a live version of "invasion of the body snatchers." what 2.0 do is represent the people of south carolina. he hasn't done a town hall if almo in almost three years. people are suffering. two years ago, 14 of our counties had no ob/gyns. 38% of south carolina has no access to wi-fi. the state is falling apart. this guy cares more about his tee times with the president than the people of south carolina. that's why we are building this movement. telling folks, join usjam jamieharrison.com. it's about closing a chapter on our old south and starting a new

chapter. i'm so happy to be with all of my brothers to do this. >> yeah. you trumped me on happy father's day. i should have started with that. by the way, you are an experienced guy. you came up under jim clyburn. you were raising a lot of money. you used to be the democratic party chair in south carolina. that's how i got to know you. a poll showing you tied. is it realistic for black and white south carolinians who are tired of lindsey graham's, as you say, tee times with trump, where he flip-flops from saying trump -- >> we are going to do it. last quarter, he raised $5.6 million. we raised $7.4 million.

that's more than any democrat or republican, black or white, has ever raised in the history of south carolina. we have done it not because we are getting $2,800 from corporate, but we are doing it at $28 a person. there's an energy on the ground like i have never seen before. lindsey should be scared. you see him tacking back to the middle. he is the king of flop flip-flo. we will not give him any room. people are tired of him and they will give him a ticket back home or to mar-a-lago. whichever he wants. >> he probably wants mar-a-lago at this point. let's go to charles booker. no offense to jamie. charles, i think your opening statement ad in the state of kentucky was -- it was the best i have seen this cycle. a lot of people saw you as the

underdog in that race versus amy mcgrath who has the military background. she's the person that the democratic senate committee seems to be favoring, even though they are not supposed to take sides. here you are in a poll. i had a celebrity text me and say, what about this charles booker fellow? how would you go about unseating mitch mcconnell? >> we're going to win this primary. we're standing up as regular people, fighting back for our future, fighting to end generational poverty, to say that outside consultants will not dictate our future. we deserve more than a pro trump democrat. we deserve more than lukewarm responses on ensuring health care for all, when folks are rationing insulin. we are in the streets demanding justice for everyone who has

become a hash tag. we have to get to the root. a lot of people are struggling in tennessee. regardless whether you are from the hood or from the holler, you have been left behind. we have been left behind. we have been getting screwed by mitch mcconnell. we will beat him to transform our future. we don't care about big money. we're building this for people. folks fired up saying, my life matters. no lives matter until black lives matter. we want a brighter future for all kentuckians. by leaning into that, we have raised nearly $3 million many this month alone. we are building the movement. we have the infrastructure. we're going to win and get rid of mitch mcconnell. >> i think one of the things that you did, you have been a part of the protests. amy mcgrath i don't believe has been a part of it. i don't think she's been as present as you have been. is that motivation enough to beat back the thing that we heard about this week, which is the potential for massive

disenfranchisement in kentucky? kentucky is bracing for huge voting problems in tuesday's primary with signs of high turnout. fewer than 200 polling places will be open, down from 3,700. that's the reduction they have done. are you concerned that the vote for you will be restricted because of the slash in the number of polling places? >> i'm concerned that kentuckians who deserve to be heard are going to have to face a lot of barriers. we are not surprised. we're used to unfortunately because kentucky has been one of the most disenfranchised states in the country. my granddad shared about having to guess number of beans in a jar before he can vote. we are ready for that fight. as much as it will be difficult, we are resolved, we are ready, fired up and we will not be stopped. we have shuttles going all over

the commonwealth. we will have food, drink, whatever we need so folks can be heard. then we will get him out of there and put the changes in place to make sure we restore voting rights, we expand democracy for all people. we are fired up and we are building the movement to win. >> let's remember that, don't think that a democrat can't win kentucky. the governor is a democrat. his daddy was governor. anything is possible. anybody can win. let's go on to mike espy. people will remember your name, those who have a good political memory. you were the former secretary of agriculture. let me ask you what your strategy is. cindy h where hyde-smith said she would show up for a hanging, she's up ahead of you right now. stewart stephens, mississippi

republican operative, said if democrats put real money behind you, you could be her. he believes it. he said that to me. how would you do that? how would you do that in a state like mississippi? >> thank you, joy. good morning. thanks for having me. i want to say hello to my brothers. i wish them well. joy, we're going to win in november 2020 because we have run before and we have won before in mississippi, in the district that was not majority black. you remember, we started, i was secretary of agriculture, but i was from congress. we stitched together a majority vote in the district. then we went to the white side and that was an agricultural downturn. we went to the leaders. we said, invest in us. he wi we will listen to your concerns. they trusted me. they elected me. we won. let's project forward to current days.

we have had a dry run running for this seat in 2020. we ran 18 months ago. we were the last senate race in the united states to come on board. we had six months to run. we did exceedingly well. we got 47% of the vote in state of mississippi. we did it in two ways. not by taking the black vote for granted. we have more black voters in mississippi than any state in the nation. we spoke to them about issues, lifting their income, better health care outcomes, greater educational attainment. they invested in me. we found out that mississippi is changing. it's not that same old stereotype demographically that we are used to. we have white voters who are in suburbs, they are in college towns, they are in the mississippi gulf coast, areas that are becoming exceedingly purple, even blue.

our task is to organize the greatest, widest, deepest black vote are turnout in mississippi's history, something we just did not have time to do 18 months ago. then marry that with college age voters who are passionate about the murder of george floyd, marry that and stitch that together with white women of a higher income, higher educational attainment. stitch them together to create a winning coalition and a mississippi for change and a mississippi that they deserve. >> i have to say that mississippi was the hardest state to try to register voters in in the entire country back in the 1950s and '60s. the heart of darkness for voter terrorism against voters. >> yes. >> is there enough of an infrastructure for black voters in mississippi to come to the polls or mail-in vote? >> two things.

first of all, we have been doing our homework. we never quit after we lost 18 months, we never quit. we have uncovered 100,000 black voters who didn't vote 18 months ago. they are very infrequent. many haven't voted since obama in 2008. we know where they are. it's our job to get them and encourage them to come out to the poll. speaking to your question, i have been able to give stacey abrams props. we now have a fair fight mississippi chapter. we are here, we have been working since february to improve the voter affidavit ballot to make sure that on election day everyone gets a chance to submit a fair ballot on time. >> okay. you called up georgia. let me go to reverent warnock.

you are the pastor. let me put up some numbers. this poll that i'm going to -- this is from march 31 to april 1. this was conducted by the doug collins campaign, something called battleground connected. it showed doug collins at 36%, and kelly loeffler at 13% and yourself at 16%. georgia is a concern when it comes to voter suppression, needless to say, given who your governor is, your secretary of state, what we have seen in election after election. where would your confidence come from you would be able to win in a state that seems to rather routinely deny black people their full right to vote? >> thank you so much, joy. it's wonder fful to be here wit you and with my other brothers running for the senate. happy father's day to everybody.

when i think about father's day, i can't help but think about my own father who was a preacher and a businessman. really, a junk man who spent his days picking up old cars that other folks had thrown away. sunday morning, he would preach to people who themselves felt thrown away. his vision and commitment for a more inclusive humanity helped to drive me into this race. we can win in georgia. the other side knows it. that's why they are engaged in such shameless forms of voter suppression. it will not stand. remember that, yes, this is a state that is not embarrassed to participate in voter suppression. also the home state or the state now of congressman john lewis. i'm proud to be his pastor. he is my mentor and supporter. he fought so we might have the right to vote. what i saw last tuesday was

georgians who are willing to stand in line even if it took hours and hours in order to vote. as a result of that, we saw a million people show up for the primary. in 2008 obama defeated hillary clinton. so the momentum is with us. the wind is at our back. the other side knows it. that's why they are engaged in voter suppression. stacey abrams really laid the foundation for the work that we are going to finish come november. in spite of all of the tricks the other side played, she came within 55,000 votes of winning. that's less than a point and a half. we have registered over 700,000 new georgians since then. about half of them are people of color, people under the age of 30. the other side is afraid. they should be, because come november, we will take this

election. >> would you want to see stacey abrams on the ticket, on joe biden's ticket? would that help your race? >> stacey abrams is one of the most brilliant people i know. she certainly would be a fine candidate. she's being considered for good reason. we will see what the vice president does. this is a change election. this is a moral moment in america. we are going to pivot from this moral moment to a transformational moment. these are dark days. we are seeing two pandemics that a nation is wrestling with. we are dealing with covid-19. too many people are dieing, people of color, african-americans in particular, disproportionately represented in small cities like albany, georgia, a city with 70,000 people. it was a hot spot for covid-19.

it's challenge d by republicans have fought against medicaid expansion. i got arrested in the governor's office staging a sit-in, arguing for medicaid expansion. i say that not so you can feel sorry for me. you can't be afraid to get arrested. it's an occupational hazard. we're going to see a big change. that change starts in the south. as goes the south, so goes the rest of the nation. it was true civil the civil war, the civil rights movement. i submit it will be true in 2020. we have a president who stood in the rose garden and used police in order to remove peaceful protesters from in front of the white house so he could stand in front of a church and hold a

bible upside down. he should read the bible, love, walk calmly with your god. that plaza has been changed to black lives matter plaza. it's a signal to donald trump and those who enable him, including the two on other side that i'm running against, that come november the people are coming back to get their house and the united states senate. >> all right. let's now go to royce west. you can thank jamie harrison. he alerted me to your run in texas. let me show you the polling. in late april, mj hager leading among democrats 32-16. 44% remain undecided. how do you get them to decide your way? how do you win in a state like

texas, which has pretty significant voter suppression? >> i want to say, happy father's day and happy papa day to all of you. when you begin to think about texas and that particular poll, that was taken after the primary and i had to become a state senator and making certain i dealt with issues concerning covid in my particular district. that's exactly what i did. it wasn't around until mid april when we began to focus on the election and focus on the election we have. when you think about the momentum our campaign is starting to generate, it's awesome. you look at who has been out there in front and working with the protesters in the state of texas, it's been royce west and it's recognized by them. they will be voting and they will be voting for royce west. when you think about juneteenth, where did it start? in texas. my grandfather in tulsa, oklahoma, lived right there by

black wall street. i have a history of participation and also advocacy in the state of texas and in terms of my heritage and my roots. from that vantage point, i will make certain when i look at laws that have advanced the causes of all people in this country, one of the first laws was adopted here in texas and you see now it is becoming a staple across this country and it should be. look at other criminal justice reforms i have changed. racial profiling, hate crimes those have been a part of my leadership in texas. education, the same way. health and human services. we dealt with those issues. we will continue to deal with them, continue to develop momentum in terms of our campaign. we see it every day in terms of the number of people that are liking us on facebook and other social media. the money is starting to come into our campaign.

>> well, voters often complain that they don't really know who is on the ballot. you have a name on the ballot. you have to choose. we have tried to give you an opportunity to see who some of the great candidates are. next time two years from now, we want more women running. we love that you guys are all running. we wish you all luck. i hope the democratic senate campaign committee goes south. that's where the game is this year. the game this season, it's in the south. pay attention, democrats. >> one other thing. you can go to roycewest.com. >> none of the rest gave out your -- >> i did. >> jamie did. thank y'all very much. everybody gave them out.

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everybody is trying to shame us. the legislators, the press, everybody is trying to shame us into being embarrassed about our profession. you know what? this isn't stained by someone in minneapolis. it's still got a shine on it. stop treating us like animals and thugs and start treating us with some respect. >> a few days after a police union leader in new york made those angry comments, alleging it's the police who are under

attack, another new york police union took it further. tweeting three officers were, quote, intentionally poisoned in lower manhattan. it turned out not to be true. the accusation was debunked by an nypd investigation. in atlanta, another sign of pushback from police. officers called in sick last week after two police officers were charged in the shooting death of rayshard brooks. joining me now is ceo of the center for policing equity and member of president obama's 21st century task force. the blue flu is what we have heard of. police officers get angry about some action taken against one of their members. we're not going to do our job if we can't do what we want. what do you make of the fact that given the anger, 26 days of protests, this is the way police are reacting to that?

>> i think like most americans, i look at that and i'm confused and disgusted. i also want to say that, it's actually kind of a good example of the way that our lack of education gets in the way of us having anything like row duck e i productive discussions. there's concern that firings because they are charged with murder, that they haven't gone through a due process internal to the department. imagine that you have had no ppe, a higher rate of covid contraction, you are out there dealing with folks in the hot sun, you are called names and you feel like there's no due process. that makes a little bit of sense. many would have that reaction. if you read history and you have an understanding what's going on is not just a labor dispute, this is, again, us reckoning

with the history of racism and policing, then that's why you end up with folks in law enforcement -- not everybody, but many in law enforcement with responses that are so out of touch and ring in a false tone to the rest of america. america is watching history. many folks within those unions are watching contracts. >> there is -- taen an it's an profession. there's a thing police are doing that is i think troubling to a lot of people. here is a "washington post" piece. police keep using twitter for rumor mongering about protesters. the language that's used is incredible. these two unions immediately alleged it was a deliberate attack. groups jumped to criminal

wrongdoing, not allowing it to be an accident or any other explanation. accusing low-wage workers, hourly workers of committing a felony against officers, it's a weird place to go as a reflex. what do you think ? >> it unfortunately is reflective of what we know from police unions. police unions are not set up to serve and protect the people. police unions are set up to serve and protect police officers. i am a former union teacher. i believe in the importance of collective bargaining. however, we have seen police unions throughout time from ferguson and on and even before that continue to bully communities, continue to bully and falsify the truth about protesters, continue to endanger so many of us because their concern is not us. their concern is their membership. they are doing what they were paid to do. often are operating more like the nra and getting in the way

of justice and accountability instead of a union that's a part of a broader society and community that's concerned with public safety. i have to say that not only what my friend phil said is so important in that these responses are out of touch with history, the irony is also so thick, i can hardly get through it. joy, imagine -- imagine walking around every day and wearing a color that gets you attacked, judged and where you cannot engage and enjoy due process. that happens to black people every single day in this country at the hands of police. the difference is blue is something you choose. black is not something i can take off. >> it's a reflex into a problem i think, phil, with a reflex when it cop comes to shootings incidents. police back each other up. sometimes what they are saying

isn't true. it's one thing to have your union argue you have the right to have ppe. it's another saying we have the right to kill whoever we want and nobody can question us. that's a different thing. they talk about the shake shack debacle. here is a quote. the most cynical view of the situation would be the police benefit from being the victims, therefore, have no interest in chaining their mindset. by portraying themselves as under attack, the force maintains legal leeway when things turn violent. they can say, i feared for my life, i thought he had a gun. they are so used to always being able to get away with whatever -- if they kill you, they get away with it. there's an incentive to use those magic words and not be honest about what you have done. >> it's absolutely true. you have folks who benefit from -- they are able to maintain their leadership within unions because they will say, i will protect everybody. it doesn't patter how terrible you are, how racist you are, it

doesn't matter how much you put the rest of us in danger, i'm protecting everybody. it's hard to win for union leadership if you say i will protect fewer people. i do want to point out as much as this is cynical and disgusting and allows for folks not to trust law enforcement, you will hope everybody is not reducible to the words of their leaders. as an american who deals with people overseas, i wouldn't want that to be done to me. i don't want that to be the case for law enforcement. i talk to law enforcement who are disgusted by these comments. a couple weeks ago we were a little surprised at the universal condemnation of officers. it came from a couple of unions. what's happened since has been an eroding of that unity and that clear voice. that's not just unfortunate,

it's dangerous for the rest of us. i want to get clear on who is saying what and how we hold them accountable as opposed to this is the whole thing. there are going to be communities that can't be safe in the face of that. >> absolutely. i talk to police officers who are horrified and disgusted by what happened to george floyd as well, just as much as everyone else. it's not every single police officer feels the same way. when you have 57 cops resign because two were suspended for shoving a 75-year-old man and you are mad there's accountability, i will gfive yo the last word on that, you are seeing unions rush to try to get ahead of the reform push. you saw it in california where a couple of unions said, we have ideas for reform to get ahead of it. is that a good sign that some are realizing we need to get ahead of this before it gets imposed on us? >> it's a hopeful sign. my hope just like phil is that

we can actually move forward in such a way that keeps folks safe. andre was 18, working a security job in california because his dad's hours were reduced because of covid-19 and was shot by police. this is not an unfair or unsound request to be able to ensure that young men can live and live fully. my hope is that not only do we see reform but we see true rere-imagination and true transformation of the systems. i'm worried that some of the reaction and behavior like the blue flu from certain people is actually there to in a sinister way intentionally pervert what de-funding mean. we are talking about reinvesting that in communities that keep us safe. unfortunately, some people want

to enforce the idea that this is going to be like gotham without batman. we are not talking about lawlessness. we are talking about the white suburban experience, schools that don't have police officers, no excessive traffic stops used to raise money for a department that keeps harming people, and we are talking about making sure people can feed and house their families. invest in those things. that demand is not unreasonable. >> those people do not have the power of life and death. it's not a bad tlihing to inves in things that don't have the power to kill you. just a thought. you are great. thank you very much. i'm greg, i'm 68 years old.

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china created this pandemic. they hid the virus, they created that virus and they sent over hundreds of thousands of chinese citizens here to spread that around and around the world, whether they did that on purpose, that's an open question. that's a fact. that virus was a product of the chinese communist party. until we get some information about what happened in those labs or what happened in the market, we know that that virus was spawned in china. >> wow. okay. racist conspiracy theories are nothing new for the trump administration. peter navarro didn't stop there. he trivialized the president's

statement yesterday that he ordered his staff to do less covid-19 testing. >> come on now. you know it was tongue in cheek. come on now. >> i don't know that it was tongue in cheek at all. he has said similar things for months. he said similar things for months. you think it's tongue in cheek. >> that was a light moment for him. >> back with me are david jolly, maya wiley and david corn. you win the door prize of getting to respond to that, david. >> well, you know, making light of this, it was a light moment for donald trump, we have 120,000 dead americans because of the pandemic, we are heading towards 200,000. he won't talk, he won't mention a victim when he discusses this.

it's about china, china, china. it's horrific. i don't know what it takes to get more outrageous. we have been on the show for years talking about his offensive remarks. it's hard to think of anything more dumb and offensive and horrific than have the president of the united states making light, making a joke if that's what it was -- not sure it was -- about 120,000 americans dieing on his watch. what else do we need to know about this man? >> yeah. it's weird, according to john bolton's book -- which i hope everyone will get at the library rather than paying money for it. he says that donald trump begged that same country, china, who his trade guy is accusing of a conspiracy to send people here to infect americans, he begged him to get him re-elected. he wanted to throw help to erdogan by telling him, we will

get rid of the prosecutors that pre president obama put in and it will be fine. here is jerry nadler on whether he wants to hear from mr. bolton who wouldn't be bothered, couldn't be bothered to testify during impeachment because he just wanted to get paid. >> we're not interested in bolton's testimony. >> do you think the new revelations are impeachable? is the door closed on impeachment for 2020? >> i think the president has done a lot of impeachable things, including what bolton is talking about. we have an election coming up. we know the republicans will not entertain an impeachment. that would at this point be a waste of time and effort. >> staying with you for a second, david, you know i love books. i'm for books. the idea that this guy is cashing in on a book, as a fellow author, how do you feel about that? as some who writes about

national security things. >> the interesting thing is in the book, he complains that the house democrats focus the impeachment on the ukraine abuse of power and not on the other things they could have done. he notes trump committed impeachment offenses, he asked china for help. he gave a green light to china to build concentration camps. john bolton, if you wanted them to impeach the president on other things, why did you not come forward and testify and tell them what these other things were, let alone what you knew about the ukraine matter? it's an action of a scoundrel. this is not going to go down well. i hope he doesn't make that much money from it. i want authors to make money, but this was a cynical ploy on his part. >> he didn't come forward

because the senate couldn't write him a book advance. let's go on to hakeem jeffries. we have more that i want you to comment on. >> it's my hope at some point the judiciary committee will hear from the former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, mr. berman. i think he has a lot to say about a continuing pattern of chaos, crisis and corruption that we have seen from the trump administration. we have a long tradition in this country of there being no political interference between the white house and the department of justice. which is the primary vehicle at the federal level for ensuring that there's equal protection under the law. >> based on what you have seen him do so far, the man who has been called the coverup general based on his past actions, do you think he has a richard nixon

attorney general problem? could he face legal problems of his own once donald trump is no longer president of the united states? >> quite possibly. we don't know enough to say whether he will or won't. the primary concern we have is what representative jeffries said. we have a department of justice acting as the department of just trump. we have a department of justice that has lost so much credibility in this country despite having career attorneys who care very much about the rule of law and doing the job neutrally. the american public has no problem believing that this was simply a corrupt act by the coronavirus convention president. his droplets he is spreading of hate from his convention is also about his corruption and his self-interest. it's all about donald trump. it's not about the rule of law. it's certainly not about the

public, our health or our unity. >> well said. let's go to tim scott. we did invite him on the problem. he did appear on abc to talk about the de-fund the police effort and his response via legislation he put forward. take a listen. >> it's important for us to use the resources we provide to law enforcement to get them to compel them towards the direction we think is in the best interest of nation. we believe that you need more resources, not less resources, if you want officers to be trained effectively. you have to give them the tools called training to get there. that requires more resources. we know if you want more information on the federal level that requires more resources for record keeping and for data collection. >> david, congressman al green of texas made the point that incentivizing by giving more resources would not have work e.

you can't incentivize people -- sometimes you have to legislate to make people comply with the law. what do you think is the resistance of republicans, including mr. scott, to just legislating some things like banning chokeholds? things most americans want. no knock warrants to be gone, that kind of thing. >> look, i think there's authentic concern about legislating use of force provisions because they do want law enforcement to have the tools necessary in the most critical situations. their default will be the federalism of tieing training to federal funding. at the end of the day what we are seeing an inadequate response from republicans. i say the president and republicans talk about law and order. they want to come down on the side of law and order. law and order's cousin is justice. what republicans should take about is swift justice for the family of george floyd and others, because that in itself is law and order. if they are going to take a soft

approach on police reform, they should be taking a much swifter approach on justice and come down on that side of law and order and let the american people know where republicans really stand. >> maybe they should listen to, david jolly. "russian roulette" comes out tuesday in paperback. up next, a different look at father's day. how about no

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i have other children who want their dad and miss him dearly. >> the children of rayshard brooks and george floyd are facing their first father's day since their fathers were killed by police. in an essay from his upcoming book, my next, kevin powell, writes this to his future child, quote, i am scared of bring iina black child into this world with them having to deal with the same racism your mother and i encounter daily. it's the sinister cancer in america. awe u thor of when we free the world, can he hakevin, thanks f here. >> thank you so much. >> of course. these little kids robbed of their fathers, you know. you saw george floyd's daughter saying daddy changed the world. she's too young to understand

the full tragedy of it. can you just talk about it as a future father, how you think about that. >> it's painful. first of all, thank you for the opportunity. you have so many fans that text me personally, say hello to jordan for me, so thank you for the great work you're doing. >> thank you. >> it's traumatic. i've been an activist for a long time so i can't tell you how many dead fathers, dead black fathers, i've had to represent through the years. see theto see these men be a vi very problematic. i've put together things i want to talk about, the me too movement, black lives matter but also personally, do i even want to bring a child into this world. although i'd love to be b a father but what does that mean when you have to tell your child, doesn't matter if you're a boy or a girl, breonna taylor,

what do we tell our children about the world they're going into? how they navigate the world, the uglyness of it all. >> you write in the article, if some openly express hate and venom towards you, my child, you must respond with love always. you must never become hate or fear or violence or division or ignorance. you must be the highest example of humanity of not what the world should be, but what the world is. i think about the video that went viral of the kid playing ball in the driveway then they see police car go by and they hide. little black kid just hides. it hurts as a parent not being able to tell your kids, my kids are grown, you can't tell them there's no reason to be afraid of police. we can't tell our kids that. >> one of the things i talk about in the book is that i was brew u tallized by a police officer when i was 15 years old

and up until that point, we had the image of officer friendly. we're not antipolice. we're antipolice brutality. antiracial profile. the kind of terrorism mentally you described where a child at an early age begins to think that the police officers are the enemy because of the lack of reform in the system around the country. that's why people are out there protesting every day. people are saying enough of this. i never thought i would see something like this. here we are. between this and the pandemic and this administration in the white house, people realize that all of us are at jepopardy. not just black people when we see this kind of thing happening. >> yeah, absolutely. and that is a hopeful thing, right? you saw this white woman who's a teacher get arrested wearing her black lives matter shirt in front of the rally in tulsa. look at these polling numbers. pew research found, have you discussed race with family and friends in the past month?

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. good day, everyone. just about high noon on the nose here in the east and 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to weekends with alex whit. the president and the prosecu prosecutor. back on the trail with a lot of empty seats. what the president did and didn't say in a critical time for this country. ready to reopen. whi cases are surnling in the south. plus fathers and families. the gatherings about this historic moment in america. we have two big stories this hour. new reaction to the president's first covid era campaign rally. last night in tulsa, where there were