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♪ good evening. happy father's day. and welcome to "politics nation." tonight's lead, a sign of things to come. saturday night in tulsa, oklahoma, more than 6,000 people defied accepted medical guidance in the midst of a pandemic, at the invitation of the one person charged above all with their safety. president trump's first post-covid campaign rally was a return to his most comfortable form -- demagogue. and before a much smaller than expected yet overwhelmingly white audience with a conversation around black lives roaring across the country, he never mentioned george floyd once.

and just feet away from the site of a historic anti-black massacre there in tulsa. but in last night's turnout was an indicator, it may take more to rile the president's pace going into this pandemic summer, specially if the president expects to overcome recent polling that has him sefrt seve points behind joe biden in an election matchup. race will plajy a huge role as judicial actions pend in the deaths of george floyd, breonna taylor and others, as the president was making his return to the stage. this was the tulsa street saturday.

protesters encompassing the last four months of social upheaval, and always in background, the pandemic, which has now claimed more than 120,000 american lives. of course, the president not even wearing a bootleg mask, made no mention of that fact last night. preferring to throw doubt to his unmasked supporters while six of his tulsa campaign staffers were being treated for covid-19. joining me now is congressman ha weem je -- ha weem jekim jefferies, ch the judiciary committee. first of all, happy father's day. >> good evening. happy father's day. >> let me ask you, as i watched the president's speech in tulsa and i spoke there the day before, i took note of what he

did not say. he never addressed systemic racism, he never addressed the problems of policing and police law. he never addressed the social and political issues that's front and center in the american public mind at this time. he was just a few feet away from where he had the race riots, never referring to any of that. and it to me was not only a missed opportunity, but it was offensive by omission. as one that sits in the congress, that has helped to draft this justice and policing act, how do you respond to the president returning to the stage and crickets on these critical issues in his deliverance last

night? >> at best, it was a missed opportunity. and at worst, it was deliberate indifference to the pain so many people are feeling across america and what we've seen is people come together of every race for a national reckoning on the question of the continued prevalence of systemic racism in our society, of which we know has been in the soil of our country for 401 years. we've come a long way, but we still have a long way to go. and the president didn't have the heart or the soul to be able to speak to that in a meaningful way. he was probably thrown off, reverend sharpton, by the fact that it wasn't a rally as a living room meet and greet when you look at the number of empty seats that were there. but it was disappointing to say the least.

>> yeah, it was. and it was nowhere near the million that came to his inauguration. oh, yeah, that's right, that was disappointing, too. but let me go to another more substantive part of this question. he did come out this week in the rose garden, with this elaborate call that he was going to sign an executive order. now, when i look at the proposed bill before the house that you and others are pushing led by the congressional black caucus, you talk about outlawing chokeholds, you talk about other things that would become law. he talked about suggesting people not use things like chokeholds and that they would use funds to give incentives to police districts. now, am i missing something? but did his executive order talk at all about criminal penalties

to those policemen that break the law? >> not at all. that's one of the many problems with the executive order that the president issued. because the reality is, while a majority of the police officers i interact with here in brooklyn are hardworking individuals in the community to protect and serve, we also know that there are violent police officers, brutal police officers, and a abusive police officers who more often than not are never held accountable. and so the laws need to be changed, as we are proposing to do with respect to the george floyd justice and policing act by establishing a national standard for the use of force that would be anchored in deescalation in the first instance and the use of deadly force only as a matter of last resort. we expand the jurisdiction of the department of justice office of civil rights so that police

officers can be held criminally accountable when they cross the line. we address the issue of qualified immunity so when someone has the ability to bring a civil rights lawsuit against an abusive officer, there's a right and a remedy, which currently doesn't exist because of the manner in which qualified immunity has been developed. >> and i want to just push you on that one, because i think that's an important distinction, which many of us in the civil rights community have been pushing and supportive of. we're talking about how a policeman has to prove -- if this becomes law -- that they only had as a last resort, had to use deadly force. not where it is now where they can say i thought i was under threat, which means they can just say, based on my own imagination, i not a guy in the back or i had my knee on a guy's neck for eight minutes.

they would have to prove that was a last resort as the law, which is good for police and civilians. i don't understand this thing of giving incentives. i don't think most cops are bad. you're right, in brooklyn, most police i've known, most police i've known around the country are decent, hardworking people. but you don't give an incentive to people in the community, most people in the community are not thieves. but the answer to dealing with robberies is not an incentive is not to rob, but to prosecute robbers. the same should be with those that break the law if you are a policeman. you're not above the law. >> we need a national solution. the only way to wring that about is not to dangle some incentives where this jurisdiction over here, or that jurisdiction over there may choose in part to

follow it. but you have no national standard or national response, you have no national solution to the enduring problem of police violence. the only way to change things nationally is for there to be a national law. that's why we're moving forward with the george floyd justice and policing act, and we will pass it in the house this thursday. >> i'm out of time, but as a member of the judiciary committee, and a lawyer, how you feel about the firing of the u.s. attorney southern district in you and my home city, mr. burman, where there doesn't seem to be an apparent reason given, it doesn't appear he did something wrong administratively or ethically, so many people say it has to be political. what do you say? >> well, you're exactly right, rev. this is another example of a lawless and out of control

president who is probably trying to intervene in order to rescue rudolph giuliani two is under criminal investigation. we'll shine a spotlight on this on wednesday, where there will be a hearing on political interference with respect to the justice department, and that will only be the beginning. >> all right. thank you for breaking into your father's day and being with us, congressman hakim jefferies. president trump's rally in tulsa last night drew the ire of many, including our next guest, who called the event a divisive tactic. and that's in quotes. joining us now to discuss this is representative are jeregina goodwin, democrat of ohio -- i'm sorry, i meant oklahoma. why did you call it divisive? >> because first of all, happy father's day. >> thank you. >> and it's a divisive tactic,

because it's obvious. when you come into tulsa, oklahoma, where we're known for having the most horrific act of terrorism of black folks in the united states, when you come in here knowing what our history is, when you come in here during juneteenth and say you're going to talk about the confederacy and your particular heritage, we know that's counter to everything we believe -- black folks, right thinking black folks in tulsa. so that rhetoric is divisive. we're not going to be distracted by the division of racism, we're not going to be distracted by the foolishness of double talk. so absolutely divisive. it's strategy. >> now, on friday, i spoke with others at the juneteenth celebration commemoration there in tulsa. and the family of terrence clutcher was there. of course, his twin sister, dr.

tiffany was presiding. there have been cases of police brutality, police misconduct, right there in tulsa. none of that was address eed by the president. the massacre as you referred to of the black wall street that was leveled and killed almost 300 blacks, never referred to by the president. and he never addressed the national climate of dealing with systemic racism. as you, asen an elected representative in oklahoma where all of these issues are alive right now, front burner issues in tulsa, it could only be, in your judgment, political why he didn't say it or do you think the president is just totally unaware of what's going on in the world? >> again, let's understand that he knows exactly what he does. these are playbook tactics.

they work for him. oklahoma is a red state. this is the oklahoma that barack obama did not win one of 77 counties. so it's very clear that these are planned events. he's got smart folks on his staff, so let's not chalk it up to folks that are not unaware. but what we will say is reverend sharpton, i was with you there the other night. i heard your speech. racism is systemic. and for all the folks that are white privileged, that feel they cannot have that utterance come out their mouth, we say may god help them. but we've been dealing with the murder of black people. and derek scott, a year before we were told about george floyd and saw it with our own eyes, there was a derek scott that died the same death, and he also

died i can't breathe. racism is alive and well in tulsa, oklahoma. we have to have truth tellers and truth listeners. >> now, why do you think that the president failed to draw the crowd he predicted? he's saying that the protesters intimidated people, and i didn't see large amounts of protesters. he said the media did. why do you think it was such a flop in tulsa last night for the president? >> what we know for sure is that the protesters did not prevent his folks from coming in. they forecast a million, and that was not the case. we cannot really speak to why people did not show up. what we do know is we're going to continue to show up in tulsa, oklahoma. we're going to try to continue to get bills passed. on three bills i authored just this session as it related to excessive and deadly force, as related to hate crimes, a bill

related to body cams, those bills did not get a hearing with this oklahoma state legislature. so what we can tell you is that while those folks are doing what they did at that rally, we've got to get good right-hearted folks in oklahoma to rally around legislation that lets the world know we really do care about these issues and we're not just giving them lip service. for all the talk, when we get past that, reverend sharpton, we know it's got to be implemented. i've got bills that there will have to be consequences for police officers that abuse their power. those are the bills we need across this nation, and that's where our heart is and where we're going to be focused. >> all right. we'll be continuing to watch that and moving that around the country. thank you, state representative regina goodwin. let me move to the firing of u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. joining me now is hugh hewitt

and michelle goldberg, columnist for "the new york times." michelle, let me start with you. usually, we see u.s. attorneys removed in administrations, new administrations come in and a new president appoints or nominates new u.s. attorneys or if there's some discrepancy, failure ethically or legally, or if someone wants to retire. none of these seems to be in place here for mr. burman. in fact, he was investigating several of the people very close to this president, which has led to the open speculation of many of us that this may have something to do with the removal of mr. burman, particularly the way it was done and the way mr. burman had initially responded. i am a avid reader of your columns. i can't wait to hear you explain what you think happened. so i won't wait. i'm going to ask you now.

>> well, i mean, one of the -- it's difficult, because this president is corrupt in so many different ways. there are numerous cases that he could have wanted to shut down coming out of sdny. obviously, sdny has been investigating his personal lawyer, giuliani. we don't know where things stand with that. in you read the john bolton book, john bolton talks a lot about trump trying to quash an investigation into a turkish bank as a favor of turkish president erdogan, and that prosecution is also coming out of sdny. there's other reasons -- sdny is the prosecutors that put michael cohen in jail. the president expects members of

the justice department to be lap dogs, anding? that's worth keeping in mind, the justice department and the fbi has an internal poll we learned about with hillary clinton that you don't open an investigation or you don't make any kind of moves within 90 days of an election that could affect an election. so if there's going to be anything coming out of this office, especially with giuliani, we would really expect it to happen in the next two months or so. and so i'm just speculating that's a reason you would want to do something like this abrupt w ly, but, again, because the president has so motives, it's hard to identify which one would have been at play at this attempt of a friday night massacre. >> you and i usually have exchanges on the show, though we

respect each other, we disagree on a lot. and on a father's day, i was trying to get you an autographed copy of the john bolton book, but i was unsuccessful. how do you respond to the president's dismissal of burman and the fact he did not get the crowd that was purported by his own campaign last night in tulsa. >> well, the real story of the dismissal of mr. burman, al, for those interested in facts, is that jay clayton is the chairman of the securityiies and exchang commission. he's leaving the administration. and the job he wants is that of united states attorney for the southern district of new york. it was considered to be an attempt to get mr. burman a job at main justice. the attorney general met with him friday. mr. burman wanted to go out with a splish, maybe get a gig on msnbc or elsewhere.

somehow impress people. the fact is, there is no ongoing investigation that's going to be interrupted. and bill barr has the right to dismiss via the presidential authority delegated him all of the 93 u.s. attorneys at any time. as for the 6,000, al, i think you should look at the 4 million people who watched it online and ask yourself could joe biden get 40,000 people to watch online? because last night was about joe biden not being out of his basement and the president being out on the road. i also -- >> wait a minute, they did not predict how many people were going to watch online. they predicted that they were going to have 100,000 people there, overflow of audience there that the president and vice president was going to address, the overflow lot that was empty. and a packed house, which was at lest 6,000 people, as you said yourself. on theline could have been people like me watching to see what he was going to say.

that does not mean they were supporters. >> al, i hope you were watching, but i don't think so. >> i was watching. in fact, i was on this station talking live. i had to watch it in order to discuss what he didn't say. >> i believe that the reason there were only 6,000 people last night is covid. i know you're having a big march march 28th, and i hope you get a million people to that march. but most people are making judgments based upon their own health and their own risk assessment about whether or not to go to a rally. so i'm amazed that 6,000 people went there. most of the demonstrations we have seen over the previous three weeks have been younger people. these are older people. it's a diverse crowd, though, as the shot just shows right now. i do think they were disappointed last night. i don't think it means anything for the fall campaign. i do believe that the number one theme of last night is silent majority. and silent majority versus joe

biden's low energy in the basement campaign is going to be the theme of the next 4 1/2 months. >> let me go to you on that, michelle, before we run out of time. joe biden is doing well in the basement, he's up in every poll, including fox news by 12 points. the people knew about covid when they were predicting that they were going to have 100,000 people there last night. covid didn't happen last night. >> right. >> we are looking at a flop. i mean, let's deal with it the way it is, michelle. >> obviously, i'm astonished by some of the things that hugh hewitt says with a straight face. he reminds me of sean spicer explaining after the flop of an administration, how more people watched that than any other in history because so many tuned in online, when it was visibly a low energy and sparsely attended affair. certainly, i think it's right that people stayed away because

of covid. it shows i think the president's utter contempt for the people who so adore him, that he would put their health and their lives at risk in this way. but obviously, this was a humiliation for them. and it's a humiliation of their own doing. they were the ones that went around and said that the overflow crowd would be such that they had to build a second stage. i'm not sure what this says for the next election. except that the silent majority is -- is and has been throughout the entirety of this presidency, the majority of the people who have opposed donald trump every step of the way. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. you will be back in the second hour of "politics nation" at 6:00 p.m. i'm going to right now take a text and tell everybody.

coming up, the supreme court has ruled that the trump administration cannot abruptly end the daca program, which is a big win for the so-called dreamers. but the fight over their legal status is far from over. more on that just ahead. but first, my colleague with today's top news stories. richard? >> thanks, rev. i'm richard lui with a news update for you. in data we just got in, confirmed cases of coronavirus in the united states now reaching almost 2.3 million. also within the last hour, the death toll now more than 120,000. florida set another record high for daily cases, adding more than 4,000. the state's governor saying average age for those cases is now 37. that is down from the 60s. as a result, major league baseball shut down all training camps in florida and arizona. this comes after several players

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following the supreme court's decision thursday that the trump administration cannot immediately end the daca program, dreamers and their supporters took time to celebrate in washington, d.c. but their fight for legal status will continue. as the trump administration plans to continue trying to end the program. the president followed the decision by tweeting, we will be submitting enhanced papers shortly. this despite the political and morning polling that shows majority support for daca among registered voters and each am amorning those w-- among those for trump in 2016. caitlin, this was a victory, but it is not one that is over. they won the battle, but the war is still in -- is still taking

place on this issue. can you give an assessment of what this decision meant? because it was not saying that the supreme court was supporting daca, but it was saying they were not going to allow the trump administration to end it in the manner that they are proposing to end it. explain that to our viewers. >> i think one example we can look to, to understand what this decision means and where it might go is the travel ban. so president trump's first travel ban was struck down by courts and found to be illegal. the administration continued to work at it and retool it and did so several times showing an unwillingness to let go of the commitment to a travelimately c that the courts came up with. and what was seen by so many

activists for years to protect daca, it was seen as an interim success story. the supreme court also in granting them temporary protection, kind of laid out a pathway to ultimately e lilimin daca. >> now, many feel this was also a civil rights issue and many feel that the impact of -- if the court had gone the other way. it could have impacted in a serious manner tens of thousands of people who would have to go back to countries they knew very little about. >> absolutely. when you say civil rights issue, that's why you see 2/3 of

americans supporting the idea of a pathway to citizenship for daca rezip yencipienrecipients. there are about 600,000 people who has one parent who has daca. 1.5 million people in the united states who live in a household with at least one daca recipient. so there would be a huge impact if daca recipients were stripped of their legal status and deported. the reason they're eligible for this status to begin with is they were brought to the united states either illegally or overstayed legal visas when they were children. so the idea president obama has when he created the policy, if you didn't make this decision on your own to violate law, you shouldn't be punished for it. even if daca goes away, there's still a question as to what the trump administration is going to do.

>> now, following the decision, the president tweeted that the court had "given the president far more power than ever anticipated" and said they will "start the process all over again." what does that mean for dreamers? >> i think that means another long waiting period. i mean, what we're hearing from experts on the courts, including our supreme court correspondents is it's going to take time for this issue to continue to be it will galted. that means an ultimate response that the trump administration does try again to eliminate daca may not come until after the 2020 election, which means a change in administration could change the fate of daca recipie recipients. but if president trump does remain in office, i think he and his administration have made very clear that they are going to keep coming up with justifications until they can find one that will allow them to

get rid of the daca program and take legal status away from those people who are part of it right now. >> were you and other observers of this legal battle in the media surprised that justice's robert vote, and do you think that is a vote that could change if the proper proceedings or procedures leading up to the refiling by the administration is adhered to? >> i do think that his vote could change. i wasn't terribly surprised by it when i learned of it, because we know that there were so many skeptics in the trump administration when it did finally come forward and try to get rid of daca, that the legal justification for doing so was almost intentionally made weaker by people in the administration whose hands were kind of forced and they were required to make a move to get rid of this program

that many people, we know from our reporting, did not want to do. and so the justification was pretty weak. it's not terribly surprising the way that justice roberts voted, because there were glaring problems with the legal reasoning that the trump administration came forward with. i think if those problems are addressed, they didn't make clear, the justices in their opinion one way or the other, the legality of the daca program itself. but i think it's certainly -- there's a strong possibility that votes could change with a new legal justification, just as they did as a reminder with the travel ban. >> all right. well, the battle continues, but this latest battle won a win for the daca supporters, as well as those that are impacted directly by it. caitlin dickerson, thank you for being with us. just ahead, a look at what father's day means in this era of civil rights activism.

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and the next for a few moments on those fathers that gave up a lot to their families, in their own way of dealing with threats, and rul kiall kind of unfair sc. what it was like to be a child of a father that helped to fight all of this. joining me now is cheryl lowery osbourne, the daughter of the late civil rights icon, reverend joseph lowery. reverend lowery passed in march in the midst of this pandemic. but i knew him well, and knew him sense i was a teenager in the northern part of the southern christian nation chapter. in fact, he chaired the board of it when it began all the way till the end of dr. king's life. he was dr. king's chairman. and always looked to us that were young. in fact, he honored me, had me

do the eulogy at his late wife, evalyn. i wanted you to give a sense of what it was, the pressuh deprese pain a civil rights leader has to go through and what your father had to deal with and how he explained it to you and your siblings. >> well, first, i want to thank you for inviting me. i think i told you when you called, my sister karen and i were probably going to have dinner together, which we did, and kind of fast forward through this day as the 28th is the day when we lost him in march. you know, i just want to say since you mentioned it, we worked through this covid deal with our incredible mayor to make sure that we did mod tell safest behavior during that time, which left us for a ten-person service. so pray for people all over the globe who are separated from loved ones, their support systems as they dwroogrieve. because i can promise you it's not easy.

i want to thank you so much as to the rest of my family, because you kept up with him so much over these years since my mom passed. you know, if you didn't get him, you called me. so i appreciate that. i knew you loved him. very much. you know what i'm about to say, but at the core my dad was a preacher and his social -- i've lost you. are you there? >> i'm here. >> his social activism with the natural extension of his ministry, point-blank, period. while he was a pastor of churches he saw the world as his parish, and so equal rights for him was a moral question. it was an ethical question becau because he felt like all of god's children ought to have shoes and if it's not good for my neighbor it's not good for me and so those were not sound bites. that's the way we lived our lives working for the common good.

fear was something i always say that if mama's not scared, nobody's scared and so having a partner in movement like my mother made it possible so when people were sitting on our front porch sleeping on our front porch because of bomb threats or otherwise, it was mama who made it all right because she wasn't scared, we weren't scared. and so it was just a way of life that we dealt with, but it's something that now i hear his words and his words ring so true now. right now they're so relevant no matter what the lowery institute is currently creating a virtual platform where we are looking at his words and combing through his speeches and his words and everything must change and nothing must change. everything is so relevant to today that it just really,

watching you, he's given us a road map and he's taught us well and he's given us the words and the thoughts and the hearts. dad was a brilliant orator. >> oh, yeah. >> because his mind and heart was in the right place and let's not forget his humor. he could poke a joke that would poke your consciousness. >> yeah. >> and give you -- give him an opportunity to then teach. so, of course, you've got that style, as well. so we are appreciative. >> i learned it from your father. i did want to say this, though, on father's day i would always call him. i couldn't call him this year, but i wanted the nation to remember a great father to you and your siblings, but a father to all of us in america, and a lot of what we're doing today in the streets he did it when it wasn't popular and --? absolutely. >> when you would sleep on the porch because of bomb threats. thank you, cheryl lowery osborne. thank you for being with us and thank you for reminding the nation of the father of the movement reverend joseph lowery.

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