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♪ ♪ welcome back to "politics nation." while the president's handlers and the class fixate on his half-empty rally in tulsa, oklahoma, saturday night, the activist community is at once unhappy and unsurprised that in this time of uncommon strive he never once mentioned george floyd or any of the other unarmed black citizens whose police-involved deaths have inflamed the nation, the world. instead, he went back to hugging the flag and shooting the me messengers. >> we will never kneel to our national anthem and our great

american flag. we will stand proud and we will stand tall. the unhinged left-wing mob is trying to vandalize our history, desecrate our monuments, our beautiful monuments. >> try as the president might to throw water on the protest summer, it shows no sign of abatement and as judicial actions penned in the death of george floyd, breonna taylor and other, the legislative forced to curtail police violence is under way with generational momentum. joining me now is chairwoman of the congressional plaque cause black caucus, madam chairwoman, the bill that you and the congressional black caucus has pushed through and has from posed to the house ofyou and th caucus has pushed through and

has from posed to the house of representatives has real penalties for police when they commit a crime. how do you compare the bill that you and other members of the caucus in the congress has put together and hopefully will get passed through the congress, through the house with the bill that is being from posed in the senate by senator tim scott and others. >> sure. it's great to join you this sunday and happy father's day to you. >> thank you. >> i will tell you that our bill will be voted on on thursday, and i know that it will pass because we have more than enough votes, but the bill that senator scott put together mimics our bill in the sense that he takes up certain issues such as choke hold and no-knock warrants. the problem is that he doesn't outright ban them and we think they need to be banned. i can't think of a reason in the world why i would have a choke hold and too many people have died over that.

and the no-knock warrant, we have a ban for drug arrests and what senator scott is calling for is to collect data on no-knocks and to study choke holds. we don't think that either one of these things need to be studied or data needs to be gathered. they just need to be banned outright and what you've seen since we've engaged in discussion around this bill and we voted out a committee last week, you've seen a lot of states and you've seen a lot of cities and now just outright ban this, and so that is the momentum that the streets are demanding. people want to see substantive change. they do not want to see symbolic change. >> now what we are going to probably then see, if the house passes it thursday as you say they will, there will be some negotiations in the senate around the scott bill which does not ban the choke hold and does not ban the no-knock laws. where is the compromise, in your

opinion, where it would go too far? what is something senator schumer and the democrats in the senate ought not give up in their negotiations with having a bill passed in the senate? what becomes a deal breaker for you? >> well, i think what's most important is there needs to be the ability for communities to fire police officers, sue police officers and prosecute police officers, and our bill addresses those key areas. now the other part of the bill which makes it very bold and transform ti tran transformative and other things that help police and we want the standards for policing raise, we want police to be a credited like any other profession and in terms of community and the whole call as to looking at whether or not we spend too much money on our budgets on policing versus services, our bill provides

grants to community-based organizations to reenvision public safety and that is also one of the cries from the streets. i mean, you know, rev, you and i have been involved in this issue for decades and i don't think either one of cuss sus can say seen the type of momentum we have seen now. there have been protests every single day in cities all across the country, and i think it would be awful for us to move forward with the bill that has no teeth in it and we would be disrespecting the momentum that is out there and frankly, it's the type of momentum that's out there that we need to sustain for the next 130-plus days until we get to november and we can deal with the real issue which is a new administration. >> now you would think that in this atmosphere, in this climate, that the president in his first campaign appearance

and rally would address these issues in some substantive way. he put an executive order out which i said was toothless and lacked any substance. he met with some family that would not stand with him, family members of people that had died at law enforcement and he claimed sympathy, but didn't really say anything about therefore we ought to deal with police that commits crimes, but he not only didn't deal with the issue at all last night and not only did he not suggest laws. he actually defended confederate statutes like we are messing with the heritage of the country to say that we don't want slave owners and those that fought for slave owners to be saluted and these statues maintained with black and white and others

taxpayer dollars. these statues in front of courthouses and in front of places, legislative halls like the speaker pelosi just took some down in congress, we paid for people to maintain these statues. literally paying for somebody to be saluted that advocated me being owned and my great-grandparents being owned. >> well, i feel like the fact that he went to tulsa at all on the 99th anniversary of a massacre. he was right next to where the massacre took place. i view that as an act of aggression against african-americans and he was trying to be provocative and frankly, most of the time i'm fine with him not saying anything because anything he would have said we know would have been bad and the fact that he's going to defend traitors, traitors to the country, people who tried to break up the union so that they could keep human

beings enslaved and that's who he chose to defend. that's not a dog whistle. that's a bullhorn, and he essentially gathered his own supporters that he also doesn't care about because he made them sign waivers to even be there. he could have done social distancing in that arena because no one showed up. they had plenty of space. they could have spread out, but he also has expressed no concern for the 119,000 americans that have died in the last three months. >> i'll leave it there. strong point, congresswoman karen bass, thank you, madam chair lady for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> joining me now is ohio senator brown. happy father's day and thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> the senate now if the house passes this bill on thursday and goes to the senate and we deal

with senator tim scott's bill. you heard the chair of the congressional black caucus say that that bill has really no penalties, no incentives and how will the democrats be able to get that bill strengthened and get it to pass a republican-controlled senate. >> that's a good question and representative bass is exactly right and this is the executive order and the republican bill coming out and they're just not serious proposals and the real point from what congresswoman bass needs is you need enforcement and accountability for police. you need more dollars for training and you need to do all of that, but i think that the fact that there are more than three dozen democrats and co-sponsor, ooi'm one of them,

course, on the booker harris bill and they're identical to what would pass the house materiels you how serious democrats are and she and you are both right in saying that this is the moment. we've never seen a national effort and a national sentiment and seen this in justice and policing. we've never seen theed pandemic has shown racial disparities in housing and health care and education and income and all of that with the passing, and you talked about over the years. we've never seen public support like there is now for dealing with this, and if mcconnell won't do it we get ready to do it in january and we moved dramatically because racial disparities and wealth disparities and they're the two great moral issues of our time and it's time to move on. >> now, and you are right.

the studies and all, it is not only to me something that doesn't deal with the issues and when we talk about crimes here now. it is insulting. if it was the other way around and there were these consistent attacks that was disproportionately against a group of people by blacks and they came to us and we're not even elected, but came to those of us that in civil rights leadership and we said oh, no, no, no. we're not talking about penalties. let's just study this, build a database. they would call us all kinds of names. it's offensive to me to act like when somebody chokes somebody to death we need a study or shoot somebody in the back, we need a study. >> well that's reverend sharpton, why i said this is not a serious proposal coming from senate republicans or the white house that they want to gather more data, more data collection, more studies and not actually do

anything. not actually enforce penalties when police commit murders or behave in behavior they haven't engaged in and that's why it's not a serious proposal. >> in your reason, i'll bet in the wall street journal you take large corporations to task for taking advantage of front-line workers. many of whom are black and brun. wh brown. what action can we take to hold these companies accountable. >> thank you. i was speaking to a cincinnati grocery store worker and she said she's going to work every day and she gets to work from home safely and she said i'm not essential and i'm expendable. we know essential workers what we know from this pandemic essential workers are more likely to be women than men and

disproportionately people of color and they're moderate wage, low-wage workers and bus drivers died of coronavirus, grocery store workers and food service workers, custodians. in my letter to corporate america and the wall street journal where an open letter said raise wages to $15. diversify your boards and bring more people of color into management and all of these things and the sick days and all of the things that we should be doing and my hope is that this pandemic is the great revealer. it shows america who is doing most of the work in this country. if you love this country, it will make it work and that should be our mission come january to begin the change. i'm asking corporate america to do what president trump won't do. begin to pay your workers as if

they are essential because they are. your thank you ads are very nice and it's taking care the way you should. you criticized the president's executive order calling him a bigot. explain. >> i called him a racist and i called him that in the '16 campaign. i certainly called him that once he took office and engaged in the racist talk he does and it's divisiveness. miss lowery's daughter and all of you pointed out that he didn't mention mr. floyd. he didn't mention ms. taylor. he didn't mention 118,000 americans dying and he didn't mention those kind of things and clearly, he wants to just -- in essence, he lost interest in this virus when he realized it wasn't his friend, his wealthy friends that might be vulnerable. it's a lot of people of color

who are getting sick and dying and that's why he lost interest in dealing with this, and all of that says to me that his values are based in racism. >> senator sherrod brown, thank you for being with us this father's day. >> president trump tweeted his frustrations about big losses this past week with the supreme court on both the lgbtq protections and on his promise rollback of daca. joining me now is the radio show and michelle goldberg, columnist for "the new york times." it was a bad week for the president in terms of the supreme court on both decisions as well as his less than fulfilled projection on the attendance last night in the city of tulsa, oklahoma. explain now the next steps that

the president has to deal with with these two supreme court decisions and why this could be very much an energizer for his opposition? >> well, i think you've got to look ahead to this week. there are a couple of cases that will be the same this week. one is called our lady of guadalupe and the other is louisiana a brgz statute. his base, the president's base, my audience is primarily concerned with religious liberty. our lady of guadalupe case will also impact, by the way, ame churches across the united states, episcopalian churches across the united states. that's the big case of the term that will be decided. i frankly, am not that upset with last week's decision. i think justice gorsuch is contextualism and his ordinary meaning of what sex means is not unreasonable. it's not the way i would have voted, but it is not unreasonable. i was happy with the daca decision, and going into the campaign you don't want to

deport the 200,000 kids and i do think it puts the court front and center in the election cycle again, and if there is a retirement of the court, and i'd love the campaign on judges again. justin walker to the d.c. circuit and that makes 52 circu circuit judges and he's got a great ridiculous on the court and that's an interesting sidebar and let's see what happens this week. >> michelle, isn't that also a concern with many that disagree with the president's policies that while we are doing a lot of things in the streets and need to do that and while we are doing things in terms of raising a lot of public issues he is stacking the federal courts. many of them lifetime appointments and i don't think enough focus is put on that and we will in the national march in

august and they are stacking the courts and there are decisions that you referred to that are yet to be announced or decided by the supreme court. >> i think hugh hewitt is right. the courts have been ruined for a generation and will be a serious impediment to progressive legislation even if joe biden becomes president in november. one of the cases that i'm looking at most closely is june medical, the louisiana abortion case and this is essentially a re-run of the texas abortion case of just a few years ago, and in that case the abortion restriction was struck down and louisiana decided that they could because the composition of the court has changed in just a few years, and if the court rules in favor of these

restrictions in louisiana, roe versus wade might still exist as a hollow shell, but you will have the ability by regulating clinics in many states to eliminate abortion provision in many states so that we can imagine going back to a sort of patchwork situation like we had before roe versus wade where abortion is available in blue states and want available in red states. >> so do you think that this election, as we get into the summer and then the fall is going to be around various cultural wars? you're talking about religious liberty. you're talking about women's rights in many ways in these court battles, do you think that the cultural wars and clearly, the president is raising them will be a major factor in the november election? last night when many of us felt he was going to address racism he praised confederate statutes.

what are we talking about here, hugh? >> on the statutes, i want every confederate down and i drove down a.p. hill and i can't believe we have any fort name for a general who turned his back on the union. however, i don't think we should have torn down junipero serra which is offensive to me as a roman catholic. the president built the economy once and you're voting for a recession and you're voting for regulators and a complete climate bill. i think that every one of every part of the spectrum can vote for donald trump on the basis of jobs if the recovery is under way. it's that simple to me. so i'm not worried. >> michelle, i see you smiling. >> i think this is the second time in not that many years where a republican administration has left the economy a flaming rec for the next democrat to come in and

clean up. i remember the end of the george w. bush administration, and i'm old enough to remember a time when republicans had this eerie cultlike adoration of bush and it collapsed and the war in iraq was shown to be a calamity. i don't know if that will happen with donald trump, but his own administration is projecting double digit unemployment through the end of the year, maybe 9% unemployment next year if there are no other -- there are very few other countries that have handled coronavirus as cat strofblgly as we have. there is no cogent argument that the mass death, suffering an economic dislocation that we're experiencing right now is not because of this president's mismanagement and so it just -- it's astonishing to me. i guess they've got nothing else, but the argument is that

the economy was pretty good before we let it completely collapse in flames. so maybe we're the ones to rebuild it? >> you -- i'll give you the responding last word on that because how does the president deal with the pandemic and the fact that it is documented? he was told in january and didn't make a move to march and that affected. >> and the economy and the job, jobs, jobs and the second wave, and new york. and the most of the country realizes that the economy was cooking and that the flu, the virus came from china and destroyed the economy. >> wherever it came from, he knew in january he knew it was coming. dr. fauci told us on this show i told the white house in january. >> shut the border to china al

and so while the chinese government did lie to us and it made our response ineffective -- >> fauci wasn't lying. fauci told him in january. >> i don't believe there's any american outside of the 5% that would blame him for the virus, al. >> i'll say for the third time. dr. fauci said he told him, not the chinese. he said he told the white house in january. we're going have to leave it there. hugh hewitt and michelle goldberg. thank you both for being with us tonight. >> coming up, the blame game is under way. president trump is on the hunt for scapegoats to explain away the disappointing crowds that are rallying in tulsa, oklahoma, but first, my colleague richard lui with today's top news stories. >> i'm richard lui in new york with the news update for you. the latest on the coronavirus cases nationwide. our latest data at 6:03 p.m. eastern updated. the number of deaths right now

over 120,000 and the number of new cases on the rise in florida and arizona hotbeds for a rising number of new cases. florida reporting 3500 new cases and new york moves into phase two of reopening tomorrow one the epicenter of the pandemic, and a city will now allow outdoor dining, barbershops, salons and retail shops also will be open and protests against police brutality continue today. this one in the nation's capital. this was the march of dads, a peaceful demonstration highlighting racial injustices. the march honored fathers who never made it back home to their families. protests have been going for nearly a month. i'm richard lui "politics nation" with al sharpton after the break. "politics nation" with al sharpton after the break.

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now to breaking news of a questionable incidents. this time between new york city police and a young black man. we want to warn you, the video you're about to see is

disturbing. in the cell phone video you see four officers wrestling a young man to the ground. this is along a beach boardwalk in queens, new york, earlier today. if you look on the right it appears one of the officers is using a choke hold. onlookers recording the event tell the police they're choking the man. at one point you hear the crowd say "he's out." however we do know the condition of the man was examined by medical personnel and he is in good condition. a source within the police department tells nbc news that police were called to the scene regarding several men throwing debris and harassing bicyclists and pedestrians. joining me now is mark claxton a former new york city police detective and now he's the current director of the law enforcement alliance. mark, i knew you when you were a policeman in new york.

we've been in these battles a long time in new york. how do you view that tape we just saw? >> it really is a clear demonstration of the resilience of a toxic police culture and it really is a festering climate even with everything going on in the world and everything going on related to the criminality and people and it's a lack of situational awareness and it's a demonstration about the depth and the reach of the problems we face and it's how police build walls around their membership just to keep the realities of the world on the outside so that a police officer would actually at this day and age during this time engage in conduct that has led to the death of countless black and brown men is just unbelievable, but it also shows the desperate need we have for real, substantive, practical

reform. >> and laws. i keep saying to people we are not anti-police. we are not antimost police, but where you have people disobeying the law. governor andrew cuomo signed a bill on this. this is law. police that engage in acts that are against the law must be penalized, not studied and not given incentives. they must pay for breaking the law. they, above everyone, they're supposed to be enforcing the law. >> right. and until we get to the point where we hold police accountable there has to be the high level of accountability but until we actually see that the police see that the penalty is served upon them and if that means incarceration, that's what that means and that's what is necessary for it to have the impact that would cause the reform and the change of mindset and the change of conduct

because rev, as you see, and you will continue to see, i suspect, absent the heavy duty accountability there will be minimal, incremental gradual change in police conduct that places black and brown communities at risk. >> and the fact is then and you have said this, and i've been saying it for decades, this is how you protect that everyone is subject to the law, and it is -- it is bad police that give good police a bad name. >> absolutely. no question about it, and you saw in the video that one of the police officers for a second gained some kind of situational awareness and tapped his partner as if to tap out the choke hold that he was applying. now what will happen over the next several hours and days is that we'll have a debate about what actually constitutes a choke hold and that discussion is coming and that's when we get

caught in the weeds of trying to weave out the abuse that we see on a regular basis that has to be changed. we're talking about saving lives. >> right. we're talking about the demonstration of humanity by professionals whose main objective is to serve and proteth. >> mark claxton, thank you for being with us. >> just ahead, a look back at the tensions outside of the president's rally in tulsa last night. m line. crest gum detoxify, voted product of the year. it works below the gum line to neutralize harmful plaque bacteria and help reverse early gum damage. gum detoxify, from crest. 'remember when any footlong was five dollars?' hit it, charlie. ♪ oh, you're five, ♪ five. ♪ five-dollar, ♪ five dollar ♪ five-dollar footlong. ♪ it's freshly made ♪ with veggies. ♪ it's back. five-dollar footlongs are back when you buy two. for a limited time.

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president trump's tulsa rally drew a smaller crowd than expected last night. his campaign is now placing blame squarely upon, quote, radical protesters and the media. for the event's low turnout. joining me now with the very latest is nbc's calipery in tulsa, oklahoma, cal, i watched

you last night as i was doing different shots with nicole wallace and ali velshi, i didn't see a large, intimidating crowd of protesters. did i miss something? >> reporter: no, you didn't miss anything. first of all, happy father's day to you rev. an honor to be on with you sir. they were surrounded by trump supporters and they were outnumbered 10 to 1 and the black lives matter were in the hundreds and certainly not in the thousands and one entryway to the blk arena, and protesters and trump supporters got close to it, and police slowly walked them back and they re-opened that gate and also worth noting that the tulsa p.d. tweeted out that the protesters were peaceful in the city and maybe they were snarling traffic and the p.d. was allowing trump supporters to get through the entire time and it was standard for security reasons and it

opened again and everyone who was waiting was able to get in and if you wanted to get in the rally you would have been able to do so, and i have to say we didn't see anyone outside who even voiced any concern about wanti wanting to get inside and not being able to do so. >> the overflow pod that they had expected tens of thousands to be it was empty and they literally stopped taking the stage down. so all of this that people couldn't get in and there was some trick with the ticket, the fact is that we didn't see people in the overflow pod at all and maybe -- maybe 6,000 or 7,000 people in the arena. >> reporter: that's right. there were plenty of empty seats in that arena. so there was no practical need for that overflow area. the trump campaign has been contradicting themselves on the tickets saying that no, the younger generation and k-pop, they were able to weed through those sort of people wanting those fake ticketers on tickets

that they didn't plan on actually showing up for the event and i don't quite know what they're saying because they say on the one hand, they handled it, if that's true they weren't able to fill the seat which is seems more likely and the other strange thing about it was for four or five days you had a couple hundred people camping out as if the arena can be pull and you look at these rallies and you compare them to four years ago and it seems like a smaller and more hardened crowd and the numbers are aren't compared to what we were two years ago, and the other part of that is this country is going through an incredible uprising and historical proportions and tulsa, as you know, celebrating juneteenth felt like they had to -- numbers's calipery, thank you so much for being with me tonight. >> father's day 2020 arrives during a new era of social justice. after the break, my conversation with one of my mentors, reverend

jesse jackson. make sure you tune in next hour. my colleague casey hunt talks with doug jones who has unique insight into the legal fight for civil rights. jones previously prosecuted two members of the ku klux klan, responsible for the 1963 bombing of the 16th street baptist church in birmingham. that's at 7:00 pc.m. eastern right here on msnbc. more "politics nation" after the break. msnbc. more "politics nation" after the break. stress less and live more. with stressballs. some companies still have hr stuck between employeesentering data.a. changing data. more and more sensitive, personal data. and it doesn't just drag hr down. it drags the entire business down -- with inefficiency, errors and waste.

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we've heard from a wild of the movement on this father's day show and now a father of one of the great fathers of the modern civil rights movement coalition and one of the great father figures that i've had in my life as an activist. my mother brought me to him when i was a 12-year-old boy preaching in brooklyn, him and reverend william jones and he's been a father figure to me and others in the movement like mark moore of the urban league and the reverend community like bishop mackenzie and he's a great father to his children, the reverend jesse jackson. reverend jackson, happy father's day. we don't hear reverend jackson. >> al? >> i hear you now. >> happy father's day.

>> god bless. >> thank you, sir. >> let me ask you this before i ask a policy question. i have to ask a policy question or it won't be me and you talking. you were on the staff of dr. king where you were older than some of us, as i mentioned and you were 12 years younger than dr. king. he and reverend lowery and then were father figures to you in the movement, fathered you in the movement and in fact, you and john lewis, you were around the same age and you were on dr. king's staff and you weren't just one in the movement and you were on his staff. explain how it was a family thing with they being father figures and mentoring people like you who later mentored people like us. >> thank you for recognizing reverend lowery last program. he played such a huge figure within the movement.

secondly, i think the last -- 1968 we had a meeting in atlanta, and -- [ indiscernible ] and it was a family affair. the fact that he was putting that crusade together and the fact that he fought all of the way to the end, you were there when he was assassinated. one of the things that you've raised that now is being raised in the senate and you brought it forth about four years ago is anti-lynching legislation. explain why in the climate of all of the social protests, why this legislation is important. >> after slavery, at least on

slavery we were the plantation owner. they protected their property to produce and once we had the right to vote all hell broke loose. the terror set in. 4,000 blacks were lynched. rosa parks, 1923, and we were driven out by bloodhounds and it was a very violent season, al, and i'm glad that somehow we came out of that scarred, but came to fight back. >> how do you view this social movement that is now going on that many of us talked about for a while and now seems to have had a real mobilization in the last several weeks since the killing of george floyd and others? reverend jackson?

have we lost him? >> i think -- i don't think he can hear me. i think one of the things that i wanted to get out in this segment was that clearly movement around racial profiling and around policing is something that has come of age but many afford a long time. martin luth martin luther king junior mentioned police brutality in the march on washington in '63. mentioned it in the last book where do we go from here, which was published in 1967. sometimes movements take awhile. sometimes it takes decades. but if you believe in it, you keep going until it catches the public imagination and public attention it deserves. nelson mandela did 27 years in jail before the world turned around and dealt with apartheid.

he became president. we have to keep going. that the why we're saying people are protesting every day and we must go until we win what is fair and just for everybody and i want to say on this father's day that i'm grateful that i had fathers, my father and mother broke up when i was 10 but i had fathers like a james brown the god father and like reverend jackson and william jones that stepped in for me and i want to solute those fathers that have stepped in for others because we have great fathers in our community, even those fathers that may not have been ours physically but they helped to make us what we are. and what we can become. happy father's day. whether it is your father by blood or father by spirit, it's a father that helped make you and this is a day we solute

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