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prosecuted bombings in birmingh birmingham. last night the president left the white house heading to oklahoma where his campaign said there were hundreds of thousands of ticket requests and he would give an address to the arena and an overflow crowd. >> the events in oklahoma is unbelievable. the crowds are unbelievable. they haven't seen anything like it. >> but this is what he found instead. the overflow area where his campaign built a stage was almost empty. inside the arena, there were thousands of empty blue seats. the tulsa fire department said fewer than 6,200 were inside the 19,000-seat venue. the trump camp claims it was twice that. in his campaign speech, he spent more time talking about walking down a ramp than he did on george floyd's death. he repeatedly attacked joe biden drawing boos from the crowd but none of the chants from when

trump rallied against hillary clinton. president trump said this about his strategy for fighting coronavirus. >> when you do testing to that extent, you're going to find more people and more cases so i said to my people, slow the testing down, please. >> with that comment that he made decisions about testing for his own reelection he seemed to prove the accusation the former national security advisor john bolton makes in his book. >> i don't think he's fit for office. i don't think he has the confidence to carry out the job. there is no guiding principle i was able to discern other than what is good for donald trump's reelection. >> after last night's rally, the president walked off marine one at the white house with his tie undone. you can see it there. and tonight, my nbc colleagues report that he said to be

furious about how it all went down starting with the reports ahead of the rally that six members of the advance team tested positive for the coronavirus. quote, this was a major failure one outside advisor told nbc news. with that i'd like to welcome in my panel, political reporter jonathan swan, washington post columnist eugene robinson. he is the author of "and an msnbc contributor john much m, the author of "jon lewis" his truth is marching onset to be published in october. very timely, as always. thank you-all for being here tonight and jonathan swan, i'd like to start with you for the latest reporting out of the white house in what has to have been a turbulent day for many staffers who were involved in

planning for this rally. i mean, the expectations were set so high based on what his campaign manager was saying publicly about tickets. obviously, there has been some suggests perhaps they were punked by a bunch of teenagers on the internet, but between the actual substance of the speech, the optics, the number of people in the arena and now our reporting that the president is furious about this, where do things stand behind the curtain and is there any chance the president is going to fire his campaign manager? >> well, i have no reporting that the president is going to do that, but i can confirm that he was not pleased with, as you can imagine. i interviewed the president on friday. i was with him in the oval office on friday. he was very excited about this rally. he put extreme importance on this rally as his comeback rally and they had set sky high expectations.

that was the major problem. they had built this not as a rally but a festival with an indoor stage and outdoor stage the president was supposed to speak at. they constructed this outdoor stage with musical and tens of thousands of people. and of course, when you have an empty outdoor area that you have to shut down and then you have an indoor area with 6,000 arena with the capacity of 19,000, that by any measure is a fiasco. so i expect there will be recriminations. i don't know what they look like but as for where they go next, i'm told they are going to make some changes to the way they do these. i don't know what they look like but i expect you're probably going to see more outdoor events and more of an acknowledgement, i think from the conversations i had today, people on trump's

team recognize they don't really talk about the trolling, the left wing trolling. i think a number of them really recognize that some of trump's supporters, he's got a lot of supporters in the elderly age group, which is vulnerable to the coronavirus that they simply were concerned and didn't show up and i have heard that acre nol leknowledge -- acknowledgem within trump's advisors. >> gene robinson, that does give us a note of caution interpreting this from a political perspective. the way trump can draw crowds was certainly in 2016 what distinguished him from his republican rivals and then was obviously an intense focus of coverage. that the partly of course, because president trump himself made it so. what is your take away if you're the joe biden campaign having watched what unfolded as well as a broader context of this rally in tulsa. they had moved it off of juneteenth. what is your take away in terms

of where the biden campaign stands based on what we saw last night? >> well, if i'm a biden campaign, i've just witnessed what has to be considered an unmitigated disaster, this typed festival, this sort of trump stock that he had promised in tulsa. totally failed to materialize. here is what else i'll thim thi if i'm the biden campaign. first of all, i'm going to guard against drawing too many conclusions. and then possible conclusions. these rallies, this crowd size and enthusiasm is oxygen for president trump. that's nourishment. that's what sustains him and believes him and tells him that everyone loves him and that he is going to go on and win and to

have had such disappointing event is really deflating and so i guess the question that hapgs in the air is whether the mojo he had in 2016 and he had since in his rallies is john, whether he still has that it factor that he had that's so -- that created these vents that are a highlight of the trump years and of the trump presidency. so you don't draw conclusions, you don't jump ahead of yourself but you do have to wonder. >> john, we've been thinking through we in the media of how the 2016 election played out as anyone who was involved or

worked on that, but since then, i think there's been this on going conversation about whether what we're seeing from president trump and what americans said they wanted is an aberration in our history of some sort of, you know, step into a new version of america that is deeply pollizard and many view in a very dark way. what do you take away from what we saw on screen last night from this very different feeling rally from president trump about trying to answer that broader historical question? >> yeah, trump is not an aberration in the sense of the forces that he represents. i think we can make ourselves feel better if we tell ourselves that but history can't be a narcotic. gene and i talked about this before. forces in america.

nationali nationalism, racism, anti immigrant feeling, these forces ebb and flow and they for flowing pretty substantially over the last four years or so. what i thought when i saw the image there were two things. one was i think i'm right that oklahoma last voted for a democrat for lyndon johnson in 1964. so if you can't get folks there, it's like when richard nixon the last days of watergate had to go to mississippi to find a crowd that would be there for him. that's a bad sign. the second thing was the way these fevers tend to break for a time and let's be clear, defeating donald trump will not defeat racism in america, isolation in america, nationalism, but it will put things on a better course for hopefully the short and middle

term. the way that joe mccarthy fell from power and i had my authority on this is donald trump's old lawyer roy also in the way of these things joe mccarthy's lawyer, sometimes you just don't have to make this stuff up. it just happens. >> indeed. >> he wrote a book in 1968 saying that mccarthy fell from power, not necessarily because of the great moment we all remember of have you no decency sir at long last but because the audience, interesting image, the audience got tired of the pitch. they got tired of the act. and i -- watching last night i thought maybe folks, they've sent him to washington. they wanted to restore a largely white america. it hasn't happened. it can't happen. it's a reaction. it's not action. maybe people are beginning to

see that he can't deliver and therefore you judge him on ordinary presidential grounds, it's an abysmal failure. >> to that point, gene robinson, i'm curious your sort of historical take, too, on whether we are in fact shifting away from such a nationalist often times racist type. whether those under currents are seizing to dominate because the reality is not only is he battling the coronavirus, which kept people away from things like this because they're afraid of it but this national reckoning on race has whites looking around and suddenly saying in greater numbers than before, you know, these problems are real. we are not treating black people in our society the right way and this is not something that is confined to liberal corners. it is kind of across the board. we're seeing it in so many ways from businesses in emails and on

instagram all of these places. do you think that is something that sustains in the way that john is talking about here? >> well, look, what we're seeing in the streets and what we're seeing in the polls clearly suggests that president trump is badly misreading the appealing and conclusions of the american public about race and out of step. i am not one to think that racism is gone and, you know, current nationalism is gone and white supremacy is gone and these have disappeared from this country but this is a moment where unlike anything i've seen

in terms of diversity and scope of the protests and just the re reaction around these issues of race following, george floyd and president trump seems to be trying and people compare to 1968 and president trump calls for law and order and talks about the silent majority, he seems to be trying to channel r richard nixon and misreads candidates. one president trump sounds like is george wallace. so he was a player in that election. president trump is taking that hard right absolute position and sort of leaving the whole rest of the field open to joe biden.

i don't think where trump is where the country is. >> jonathan swan, quickly, john mecham said how the president reacts to these things, becomes very angry and in fact, part of the motivation for some of his staffers to try to put him in this situation was to try and lift his mood. this seems to have done the opposite. is there anything on the horizon we're watching for because sometimes when this president finds himself in a mood like this, very unexpected things tend to happen. >> i wouldn't want to speculate. i also think we'd be making a terribly foolish mistake to over read that rally and to over interpret that rally at the turnout and they will do a series of these rallies. i suspect because they actually do, they have been doing this for awhile now, five years, the

art of the rally and i'd be very surprised that the next rally they do doesn't fall to the raft tor ers. i don't think that will mean much. there is a leap to the donald trump obituary and declare the end of the trump era and i still have ptsd from all of the obits written in 2016 and i remember some written in 2018 that michael cohen was going to be the thing that brought him down. the campaign really hasn't started earnest and he hasn't started to nuke joe biden. joe biden has been able to stay effectively in hiding and we'll see. right now, all the indicators are terrible for trump. he's suffering with independence.

he's got a historic gender gap with joe biden. he's not a good position for any swing states. boy, can a lot change between now and november? >> certainly five months ago if you said we would be in the middle of a global pandemic and reckoning about race, this campaign was completely different and we have not that much less time between now and november, so your point is very well taken. we also want to get, though, to the fast moving case of attorney general barr versus the southern district u.s. attorney. he said jeffrey berman resigned. then berman said he wasn't going anywhere. then bill barr said saturday that the president had decided to fire berman then the president said this. >> that's all up to the attorney general. that's his department, not my department. but we have a very capable attorney general so that's

really up to him. i'm not involved. >> then berman said okay, i am leaving with his deputy taking over. all of this likely to cause a new wave of pressure for democrats to have barr and berman testify as leaders call for an investigation. joining me is nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete, what can you to help us cut in the back and forth and the blame shifting? what is the back story according to your reporting of why this happened? >> my understanding is jay clayton the chairman is the person they want to put in this job that he simply said i'm interested in that gig that he had played golf at bedminster with the president and mentioned it to barr he was interested in the job and said okay, they both knew him and they knew him better than berman. the president known him for a

number of years. they thought okay. my understanding is secondly, they offered jeff berman two other positions, one is to take over the job of sec chairman or become the head of the civil rights division at the justice department and he said he wasn't interested in either one. you thought he would quietly go. >> is there anything -- there is obviously speculation about investigations going on. he over saw the investigation into michael cohen, rudy giuliani and it doesn't seem as though this was driven by ranker of berman. >> it was the ability of everything we understand. more may come out on this. a couple points. on the michael cohen case,

berman had nothing to do with that. he was recused. it is true under his oversight, the u.s. attorney's office is investigating the business practices of rudy giuliani. the u.s. attorney's office indicted two of his former associates for campaign financial violations but several people in the office tell us that they don't know of any big case that they feared would be derailed by this. and the other thing is, one thing that changed from friday night, originally the attorney general said he'd have the u.s. attorney in new jersey take over new jersey and the southern district by saturday that changed to be berman's deputy who he likes very much. berman has great respect for. i think that should reassure people on one level and secondly, barr said an interesting thing in his letter on saturday. he said i'm going to have the inspector general of the justice department keep an eye monitor is the word he used to make sure

everything in the southern district stays on the up and up. >> so bill barr has become such a figure, a polarizing figure. the left is increasing recalling for him to be impeached. there was a perception when he was first confirmed, he was george h.w. bush's former lawyer and he was an establishment guy who would be one of these adults in the room so republicans would be fine with him, senate republicans. now this is another thing on a long list of places where he is clearly made himself very close partner with president trump. i mean, what is the rational there? >> he believes in a strong presidency. he believes when the president tells him to do something, he should do it unless there is

good reason not to. in this case i think they thought it is a political appointment in the southern district and berman had two and a half years and let's give somebody else a chance. i think as things are playing out now, this may not work because a very interesting thing happened on saturday. lindsey graham the chairman of the committee who would have the confirmation hearings for jay clayton said nobody contacted me about this and i am going to honor what loyal fans of kasie dc know as the blue slip process. this is a senate procedure whenever there is a big federal appointment like the u.s. marshall or u.s. attorney or a federal judge, the committee won't proceed unless the senators turn in the blue ships. obviously, they won't do that. they have beenips. obviously, they won't do that. they have beenlips. obviously, they won't do that. they have been critical of the move. they said clayton should take himself out of the running. unless lindsey graham changes his mind, there won't be a

confirmation hearing. >> the new senator lindsey graham unincumbered by a republican primary challenge in the race for his senate seat protecting long-standing, if obscure norms that protect the way things are done in the senate. thank you very much for your reporting. appreciate it. jon meacham and gene, thank you. senator doug jones prepares to face the attorney general jeff sessions in the alabama senate election. we're back after this. e back af. my gums are irritated.

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today marks 100 days since breonna taylor was shot and killed inside her louisville home. she was sleeping. and no one has been charged with her death. we learned this week that one of

the officers who shot ten rounds in her apartment was to be fired. however, that hasn't happened yet. justice has often taken quite a long time to be served in this country. nearly 60 years ago the 16th street baptist church in alabama was bombed on a sunday morning. four young black girls lost their lives while attending church. it took 14 years for anyone to be convicted with their death despite authorities identifying four clan members involved. it took another 25 years after that for two other men involved in their murder to be charged and convicted. in all, it took 40 years after the bombing for those responsible to face justice. joining me now is the man who prosecuted and convicted two of those men. alabama senator doug jones. he is also the author of the book bending toward justice, the birmingham church bombing that

changed the course of civil rights. it great to have you on the progr program. thank you very much for being here. let's start there with this prosecution with how racial justice has evolved or not in america over time and what we've seen with george floyd and the collective anger, frustration of where things stand here. what in your view needs to be done to address this problem? >> i think there is a number of things to do, kasie and thanks for having me. appreciate it, as always. what happened in 1963 with the bombing and even before that fire hoses and dogs and bier

hinge ma' -- birmingham stirred the conscious of america to jim crow. we passed laws and rested on that and we've made great progress. we need to get back to do not just systematic reform in this country and with law enforcement, we need to transform the ways that we look at law enforcement, how we interact with folks to make sure that we really, truly live up to the creed that all human beings are created equal. that starts with bills pending in congress now, particularly the police reform bill senator more ris a harris and booker have in the senate. i think we start there. but i think we have to have a lot more, which is really a call to action what happened recently. >> do you think that senator schumer should let the senate start debate on tim scott's bill, democrats have to decide whether to move forward. is that the right thing to do? >> i don't think it's senator schumer's call. every senator is going to look at it and there is discussion about that in the caucus. i know that --

>> so what do you think? >> senator scott's bill -- well, right now i'm inclined to vote to debate the bill. i think we need to have this discussion on floor of the senate. i'm not that crazy about senator scott's bill. i don't think it does what senator harris and booker's bill does particularly with regard to banning choke holds like your bill does. you know, banning no knock warrants, creating a new system of standard on 242, the criminal prosecution. all of that is much stronger than senator scott's bill but i also think there needs to be an open discussion about this. i'm inclined to vote to proceed with debate on the bill. that doesn't mean i'll necessarily vote for the final passage on that bill. i'd like to see it changed. i'd like to see it strengthen because i think the american people want something to p happ. they want something good, something bold, something

dramatic. the thing we haven't done is sat down and have the dialogues where we can find common ground on the bills to put something on the senate floor that we know can pass with bipartisan support. >> why do you think there has been this push in the republican conference to get something done here? i mean, do you trust the motives of your colleagues on the other side of the aisle in this? >> sure, look, they are hearing the voices across america and as i was listening to your show, this is not just african american folks. this is not just black cam m communities rising up. you have people of all religions and ages who have finally sat up and said wait a minute, we see these inequities and disparities and it's not just in the criminal justice system and health care and votes rights. i think my republican colleagues

are hearing that and want to do things that may have a different view of where we would go and how far i think the senator harris and senator booker's bill goes but i don't -- i'm not going to input any ill will towards that they are willing to see things done and see things changed. >> speaking of change, there has been a lot of discussion of confederate names, soldiers and others in the capitol to the names of military bases and you had an exchange with one of your possible opponents jeff sessions saying he should delete his account. this came talking about the bases republican controlled senate committee. it's tough to be on the right side of history when it comes to confed rerate see but you shoul give it a try. do you believe it will be jeff sessions you'll be facing in the

fall and broadly, do you think you have a chance to hold on to this seat? i mean, i realize that these waves tend to be big and perhaps you can but at the same time, especially given this spade, it may be tough. >> well, look, everybody knows this is a tough election. there is no question about it. it going to be tough for whoever gets the republican nominee to win. we've done all the things in alabama to make sure we have the right message to folks. i have a record i'm proud of. i don't know who will win that. i know it's going to be a tough race and why i need all the help i can get from folks. i think at the end of the day, we have been doing those things that involve health care and education. economics and trying to bring jobs to alabama as well as protecting our nation's security with the military that we have in the state of alabama. it does not -- alabama has a tremendous record in supporting alabama -- the united states security and i think with that

and the economy, we've got that it helps. i've got a record going to win this race. absolutely convinced we're looking forward to whoever we might be running against. like i say,y know it we know it to be tough. we have folks that will help. with that help, we'll get across the finish line in november. i have every confidence in that. >> all right. before i let you go, i want to ask about another topic as a former prosecutor we did see attorney general barr and/or president trump depending who you believe fire the prosecutor in the southern district of new york. it's now going to be his deputy that will take over that office. do you think that bill barr should be impeached as some democrats have called for? >> well, you know, look, i think we need to get to the bottom of it. this is like deja vu all over again. this happened in 2006 and the bush administration, when you had seven or eight u.s.

attorneys fired, ult imately determined to be fired for political reasons and cost gonzalez his job. what we'd like to see is see the attorney general and former u.s. attorney berman appear before house committees, talk about it, answer questions as if it as innocent as i heard pete williams talk about earlier, no problem. if there is something more tho it, it doesn't add up one fires one u.s. attorney because somebody else might want the job. that's not the appropriate way to handle u.s. attorneys. they have to have independence. this is a very important office for the southern district of new york but also a very important district for the united states. that is an incredibly important district. so things are just not adding up and i hope they will come, if it's as innocent as they say, i hope they come to testify about

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selling points in his view is the impact on the judicial branch. >> i have to tell you that i'm totally in favor of what mitch is doing with judges because that's always seems to be a

priority and it's a very important priority. it's one of the great trademarks of this administration. >> i have 252 beautiful brand-n brand-new. we've appointed 220 federal judges, the most i think in history. it's a record. it's a record. now we have great judges going onto the courts, great judges. they're fair judges. they're judges that truly love our constitution. it's great. [ applause ] >> just to do a quick fact check. it's actually fewer than that. 190 something, not yet 260. yet, the president despite confirming two judges on the supreme court of his own declared new ones are needed after landmark rulings this past week. joining me now npr legal affairs correspondent nina totenberg. thank you for being here, nina. i always love to have you here

on the show. i think this was a week that clearly many liberals found surprising and were celebrating and a lot of focus on the role that john roberts in particular played here and let's start with that. some of this anger that, you know, the president seems to be directing at the supreme court seems to be aimed at roberts. what are the dynamics at play? >> you know, there is a reason for lifetime tenure to give real independence to the judiciary, the federal judiciary, especially the supreme court and john roberts, of course, was not nominated by president trump. he was nominated by president george w. bush and he is, you know, there is no doubt that john roberts is a very conservative justice but there were two decisions this week.

one written by justice gorsuch, president trump's nominee saying that the civil rights act, which bars discrimination in employment based on sex applies to gay, lesbian and transgender individuals. that it says sex with no qualifiers. that's what the statute says. justice gorsuch wrote that opinion as did four liberal members of the court. it was a 6-3 decision and you, you know, it wouldn't matter if you had another appointment as far as that case went because that's 6-3 and if you get one more, it would be 5-4. the other one was daca, of course. about the dreamers. and it's a complicated administrative law decision that simply says to the executive branch, to this president and future presidents when you decide to unravel a major policy

initiative, you have to jump through certain hoops. retell what the reasons are and you have to weigh the pros and cons and explain why you kaim o -- came out the way you did. not just say it's illegal and we don't have to abide by thiscame out the way you did. not just say it's illegal and we don't have to abide by this daca, deferred arrival for childhood program. it's a 4ri789limited decision a limit on the executive branch on the president of the united states, but not just president trump but future presidents. you know -- >> we're still -- >> we have a lot more cases, we have many more cases to come. i do not expect that liberals are going to be as thrilled with the rest of the term as they were this week. we have more opinions this week. i think we're probably going to july. we have about eight major issues

before the court. three of them involve the intersection of religion and law and the body -- and how laws apply to everyone and what kind of religious exceptions there are. two of them involve president trump's financial records and whether he has to turn them over to the courts and/or the congress when they subpoena them. there's a case involving the electoral college. there is a case involving very important questions of the whole agency independence of all of the various al bphabet soups an there is a lot to do. >> there certainly is a lot to do. we'll obviously all be watching this closely to see if the trend we saw holds or as you point out, there end up being situations where many liberals and a phone innoceopponents are.

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and washington d.c. are continuing to reopen after seeing a decrease in infection rates and cases, at least a dozen states have hit daily record numbers of cases recently according to the "new york times." there are upward trends in california, texas, florida, georgia, south carolina and arizona just to name a few. joining me now is dennis carol, he is the chair of the global project leadership board. mr. carol, thank you so much for coming back on the program. it's always great to have you. what do you see in these numbers in states where it's increasing? what in your view are officials in those states doing wrong as they try to flatten these curves? >> kasie, first off, good to be back. these numbers should not come as a surprise to anyone. by in large.

the uptick in number of cases is the relaxing of the person protective measures put in place march, april and may. people had begun socializing without the benefit of face masks. benefit of face masks. they begin to reduce social distancing. we have seen over the last few months how profoundly effective those measures have been in flattening the curve. as we begin to relax those measures, there is inevitably going to be an uptick. relaxes those measures in states where we've not even seen a flattening of the curve really speaks to an alarming trend that will result in far more deaths than necessary. that's clearly an unacceptable dynamic which is under way right now across the united states. >> toufl like theredo you feel n a directive giving up on trying

to fight back against the coronavirus? has there been a collective decision to just live with it? >> i think we can think of it as coronavirus fatigue. people want to get back to their normal lives. they are tired of sheltering in place, having to don't new lifestyle measures. all that is understandable. while we generally become more fatigued with having to take these numbers up, the virus is not fatiguing at all. it's clear even in the midst of the summer when you would expect a reduction in transmission from a respiratory virus like coronavirus we're seeing it highly robust, highly transmissible, taking every opportunity, every time we fail to wear a face mask, every time we fail to take advantage of social distancing, that virus is looking for opportunities to jump from one person to another.

so we may be fatigued, the virus is not. we should be really alarmed as we go further into these summer months and as we begin anticipating the fall when this virus will be far more robust in an environment cooler and much more favorable to its own transmission. >> what's your sense of whether schools in particular are going to be able to open safely in the fall? what do parents who are trying to decide what to do, what their lives are going to look like? what do you think we can expect based on what you know? >> again, we know that the virus easily transmits. we know social distancing and wearing face masks are hugely impactful on the transmission of this virus. reopening of schools, everywhere from elementary up to universities is an enormously

challenging issue. it's clear that if schools do reopen, they really need to be guided by the evidence of what the transmission looks like in their communities. to do that, we really need to put a premium on much wider availability of testing. we need not just to know who is sick, we need to know where the virus is. the testing will really give us the evidence to allow municipalities to make reasonable judgments about the risks that are associated with things like school reopening, but right now we continue to fail at making adequate testing available. again, not just for those who were sick. many people carry the virus and are transmitting the virus who are not showing sipes and symptoms. unless we know where every

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been suspended without pay. we're going to ask attorney general leticia james about that in just a few minutes. first, as we all try to cope with the pandemic, we can learn a lot with what people are willing or forced to wait in line for these days. on wednesday we saw hundreds to wait in line to file unemployment in kentucky, joining millions more across the country who are out of work. we are likely to see long line in that state again in week with fewer than 200 polling places open for hotly contested primaries. that's down from 3700 in a typical election year. we saw long lines earlier this month in georgia where despite health risks people tripled primary turnout in 2016 waiting for hours in the rain and past poll closing time to do so as voting machines failed. we've also seen long lines of people out of work waiting at food banks across the country and the lines continue for

people in their cars in coronavirus testing sites, whereas cases surge in places like arizona, it is still hard to find tests despite the promises of the president and the vice president. and while there were early lines this week in tulsa to attend the president's rally since march, the crowd didn't materialize the way it once did in 2016 and the crowd also didn't respond like they did in 2016 when the rolling stones "you can't always get what you want" blared at the end, things felt pretty different but the president claimed his strongest support was just out of view. >> i stand before you today to declare the silent majority is stronger than ever before. >> but how much can we interpret from one night in one city across senate races and house races and the presidential race

across the country. with that to talk about it i'd like to welcome in my panel, msnbc political contributor jake sherman. npr reporter and resident fellow at institute of politics tiffany cross. she's author of "say it louder!" white narratives, saving our democracy. tiffany, let me start with you. president trump coming out, straight out and saying the silent majority is just out of view, it's not even fair to say that was coded at all. what was your reaction? >> first i think -- i would caution people getting excited about this. just because we debate see a lot of bodies in that arena and seeing and hearing with our own ears we can acknowledge they were underwhelmed by the crowd. just for that moment trump

voters prioritized their lives over the rally does not mean they won't prioritize their racism when it's time to cast a ballot this november. i'm not convinced if i were advising the biden campaign, i'd say run like you're 20 points behind because i still think there's a strong ground swelling of support given the shift and changing demographics that a lotd of people maintain hostile views on race and very uncomfortable by the shift we're seeing in america. i'm not confidence just yet and we have a lot of challenges facing us with foreign election interference and fallout of covid-19. i think this is still a very close race. >> wanda summers, what does your reporting tell you as you are -- i realize none of us are out and about the way we would like to be covering an election like this. we're much more limited in the coronavirus age. it does seem to me in talking to

folks over the course of the last day or so, it doesn't seem as though the booifd campaign is looking at tulsa and saying, okay, our work is done here. quite the opposite. >> that's absolutely right, kasie. i think certainly the images we saw out of tulsa are something. i'm sure the biden campaign is welcoming. i talk to biden advisers, those who are supported, strategists unaffiliated with the campaign who support the vice president's bid cautiously optimistic and confident. as she pointed out, a number of unknowns, still five months away from the election. while polling in favor of them in terms of national polls as well as battleground polls showing narrow leads for the former vice president, we realize there's many they don't know. chief among them we talked about those lines, what voting will look like if there's a resurgence of violence. a lot of people are cautioning me that the biden campaign

cannot be over confident the very reasons democrats missed in 2016 why voters came out and supported then candidate in the first place. if they don't acknowledge that and reckon with that as they talk to voters in the battleground states they run the risk again. they are certainly not overconfident now, taking it seriously and rating too many tea leaves from the first rally since march. >> jake sherman, the flip side of that, though, if you're a republican running for re-election, particularly i would say to the united states senate, you can't have watched that rally last night and felt particularly reassured. in no small part we know many people likely stayed home not necessarily because they didn't want to see the president, they didn't want to get sick. that underscores people are taking the virus seriously and the president has tried to town play it.

it seems impossible for many republicans to navigate that. >> a few thoughts here. this shows the president can't will the reality he wants into existence, just because he wants the coronavirus to be over doesn't mean it's over and done with. that's number one. number two, what you noted kasie is right. almost every republican that's running for the senate has hitched their wagon to donald trump and believes that the only way they can win for better or worse is with the president's base and with the republican base that is very, very loyal to donald trump. if they see this rally, it's not as much about how many people are in the rally, it's about the fact they predicted more people in the rally and they weren't. i totally agree with tiffany and juana on everything they said. they fact they didn't downsize or go outside or manage this -- control this narrative somehow will be alarming to a lot of republicans who will wonder is

p parscale, is this regime, campaign regime up to the task of winning a national election against somebody that's not hillary clinton. furthermore, if they can't, that means the republican control of the senate is up for grabs and is in peril. i think those are two things we're going to hear a lot about this week and will the president make the change at the campaign manager role. i don't know but it will definitely come up and definitely be talked about. >> you're right to point out the -- i've been at campaign events where the campaign woke up and realized oh, no, we do not have the crowd to fill the place we booked and hustled into a small are area. ne never let those pictures get out there. i take your point. to pick up on joe biden versus hillary clinton and what that

means, last night in tulsa the president went after joe biden trying to tie him to what he calls, quote, the radical left of the democratic party. watch. >> if the democrats gain power, then the writers will be in charge and no one will be saip safe and no one will be in control. joe biden is not the leader of his party. joe biden is a helpless puppet of the radical left. >> joining me now is biden campaign senior adviser corinne. i haven't seen you since you took the job with the biden campaign. thank you for coming back in your new capacity. >> thanks for having me. >> i'd like to start with what we saw there. this obviously the president throwing attacks at joe biden. it wasn't the only line of attack. he seemed to in some ways, and he's done this before, try out a variety of attacks against biden

to see what the crowd would kind of go after. i couldn't help but notice as i was watching the rally, and certainly you can ascribe this to sexism in the case of hillary clinton, but the crowd did not respond to the biden attack lines the way we saw with hillary clinton where there were chants of lock her up and this kind of energy around it. what was your take on how the president attacked joe biden last night, and do you think any of it is going to stick? >> here is the thing. last night what we saw from donald trump, certainly they were baseless. we've seen it in 2016 as you just laid out very well, kasie. there's no truth to them. this is a president last night who spent 20 minutes talking about his west point address and talking about walking down a

ramp and trying to do it the correct way and drinking water with one hand. the message he sent, it's all about me. and by the way, it's not my fault. at this period, this point of time, for a president running for re-election, they were supposed to present what they are going to do for the next four years, how they are going to lift the country, how they are going to expand their base and reach across the aisle and reach out. he doesn't do that. he doubles down, minimizes, uses racist rhetoric, bigotry at every turn. we've got to remember, go back for a second. originally this rally was supposed to be on juneteenth. the cam paper new exactly what they were doing on juneteenth in a city that has a violent racist history. he showed who he is, what he cares about and what he means for black americans. so we cannot have four years of that.

what biden did was a complete contrast. this is to your question, we have to continue to show the contrast. what biden did on juneteenth. hey, he called descendants of harriet tubman, frederick douglass, his campaign had an event in eight states where they commended the day and wrote an op-ed for "essence." this is what we need to do, continue to show this. also spoke at the inaugural event. that is what the president needs to do, show how are you going to lift everyone up. how are you going to speak to this moment? a president is supposed to bring people together in this crisis and he does not do that. we saw the complete opposite of that last night. >> karine, get your reaction to the coronavirus comments he

made, that he delayed or slowed down potentially for political reasons the testing. what do you think that means for the president? >> he's waving a white flag and saying, there's nothing to see here. this is over. he didn't even show, kasie, any empathy for the people who are suffering right now or fed up. he does not -- he didn't put a plan together about how was he going to lift up the economy and what people are saying this is one of the worst economic crises we have seen in history. no plan, no federal plan for how are we going to open up this country. this is really dangerous. you had this wonderful conversation or scary conversation with dennis carroll about how robbest this virus is, how transmittable the virus is and how much in danger that we are in. remember when this rally was

about to happen in tulsa, oklahoma, local officials were saying, please do not do this. the reports saying this could be a super spreader. this is, once again, what i was saying about his message. it's all about me always. by the way, it's not my fault. that is what donald trump is, that is what he does constantly. he is not a president we need at this moment. he is unfit. >> karine, thank you so much. i want to go back to themes karine was talking about in terms of african-americans, the movement here. jake sherman, we know that the hill is grappling with what to do on police reform. democrats are going to have to decide whether they are going to let republican bill go forward in the senate, but it's clear at the very least that republicans are feeling a lot of pressure to show that they are actually doing something here, which i

think speaks to the overall political environment. >> you and i have been through many, many crises where congress and juana covering it as well, where congress gets really upset, says it's going to do something, then drops off after a day or two. they are really good at that. this is different. i've not seen the urgency from republicans we've seen in the last week, the senate deliberately slow and considerate is moving to consider the bill. this is a little bit wonky. will democrat allow them to do that? they need to basically concede they could debate the bill and amend it over the next week. that will be the big thing i'm looking for, what does chuck schumer do. the politics are remarkably different than anything i've seen in my journalism career on capitol hill. i would guess there's common ground for congress to get a

policing bill done this year. will they? i don't know. the politics are just amazingly powerful for both parties at the moment. >> yeah, i think if you listen to karen basin particular, one of pelosi's close allies, she's still speaking in conciliatory tones about this. tiffany cross, do you think democrats should let the conversation proceed on this police bill even if it's on the terms mitch mcconnell sets at the outset? >> i want to go back to something you said that the republicans are feeling pressured to do something. they are feeling the pressure to appear what they are doing something. when you look at the bill, there are things that hold the states a little more accountability at the local level but it's not enough. i don't think this is comprehensive reform people on the receiving end of this level of brutality would like to see. i think it's important democrats hold the line on some of the things in their bill. to be honest, i think both bills could be a lot more drastic.

i think, again, as we're seeing cultural shift where people were seeing the possible, people are seeing impossible. you saw how young people have a strong voice that can impact democracy. this isn't a time to introduce fake legislation. i hope the democrats hold the line but i would push the democrats for a little more aggressive action in their bill for sure. >> all right. our thanks again to karine jean-pierre, jake summers and juana cross. still to come 13 football players test positive for coronavirus and so do five phillies at camp. how will the return to sports happen next. also what happens next for daca. first new york attorney general leticia james on how policing will change in new york state and the firing of geoffrey berman. d the firing of geoffrey berman berty biberty- cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need.

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since friday night the botched dismissal of u.s. attorney geoffrey berman played out in public view. after years of tension between the trump administration and southern district of new york. berman's office saw investigations into several trump allies including michael cohen and rudy giuliani. as "new york times" reports it was the latest move in a broader percentage of administration officials that intensified in the months since the impeachment trial. since the beginning of the year the president fired or forced

out inspectors general with independent oversight over executive agencies and other key figures from the trial. when it comes to berman, the president denying involvement contrary to what we've heard from attorney general william barr. joining me new york attorney general letitia james. let's start with the firing of geoffrey berman, the attorney in the southern district of new york. what is your relationship with him like? can you tell us anything about any of the investigations or matters you may be concerned about? i know your office also focused on the trump family and potentially other people in his orbit from a state perspective. what are you most worried about with this? >> first, let me just say we cannot speak to any active

investigations. geoffrey berman and i were working on a number of cases. it's unfortunate he was fired this way. it's important we have an attorney general that's indiana, his only obligation is to the rule of law. it's unfortunate this friday night massacre occurred. it is my understanding that congressman and united states senator schumer have asked for investigations because there was more to the story. it's really critically important that we get to the bottom of this and provide accountability and transparency to the general public with respect to why they fired this u.s. attorney doing an excellent job. it's important we do our job not based on politics but the rule of law. >> briefly now mr. berman's deputy will be stepping into this role instead of this person the trump administration wanted to promote.

do you have confidence in mr. berman's deputy? >> yes, i do have confidence. apparently it was something that was negotiated by mr. berman and i have full confidence in his deputy. i'm confident she will continue to do the investigations and she will continue to pursue justice and she will continue to pursue the rule of law that is critically important. it's even more difficult for them to engage in and fire her or dismiss her at this point in time. i do know that even some members of congress have expressed dismay over the handling of this event. it's also important to know the united states attorney general barr should not act as the private attorney, the personal attorney for the president of the united states. but unfortunately the facts bear out that he is doing nothing more than doing the bidding for the president of the united states. but the cases will go on. >> i also want to get your take on a developing story we have out of new york city. the commissioner of the nypd

said a police officer involved in what he calls a, quote, disturbing chokehold incident has been suspended without pay. we want to warn our viewers that the video they are about to see is disturbing. in this cell phone video you see four officers wrestling the young man to the ground. this is along the beach boardwalk in queens today. if you look on the right, it appears that one of the officers is using a chokehold. onlookers reporting the e vey a choke the man. said, he's out. he's in good condition. what led up to the incident, a source tells nbc news they were called to the scene amid reports of throwing debris at bicyclists and they released body camera footage and nouannounced the

investigation into what took place. the reform bill earlier this month that banned the use of chokeholds statewide. can i get your response to this incident first of all, and then an update on the investigation that your office is doing into some of the tactics police used against protesters in the wake of george floyd's death? >> this happened in the rockaways early this morning. it's unfortunate an officer used an illegal chokehold. the chokehold was banned in the city of new york back in the '90s. there was further demands that it be officially banned. the city council banned chokeholds. individuals guilty of chokeholds face a misdemeanor on the state level. the governor of new york, state legislature most recently passed a bill to ban hockey holds, any individuals to used a chokehold will be guilty of a c felony. currently this case is being

reviewed and investigated by the police department as well as queens district attorney melinda katz. it's a troubling video. at this point in time there are individuals in front of the precinct in the rockaways demanding justice and a full investigation into this matter. >> do you think more broadly that there is a cultural problem among police in new york, krk the number of videos that we've seen come out in the last several weeks? >> kasie, as you know i've been tasked with the responsibility of investigating the behavior of the police department as it relates to protesters over these last few weeks in response to the killing of george floyd. we had a hearing last week where 100 individuals came to testify virtually and we have received 300 submissions from individuals. all of the individuals who testified talked about injuries. all the individuals who

testified talked about the traumatic effect of police officers and the activities they engaged in. all of them talked about the fact they were subjected to this crowd control tactic known as kettling. some were pepper sprayed. some were sprayed with tear gas. some were hit with batons. some suffered injuries, injuries that may heal but unfortunately the vast majority of these witnesses suffered trauma. so it was very, very disturbing over the last few days of testimony. i am happy that the police commissioner just agreed today to come before me, as well as loretta lynch advising me and barry friedman to come tomorrow and he will testify and give his account of the incident over the last few weeks. it's important we have trust. it's important police have community and a degree of trust. in order for the police department to be effective, they have to rely on the general

public. right now, unfortunately, that trust has been broken. so this the time that we should have a national discussion about policing not only in new york but all across this country. it was an opportunity for the president of the united states to lay bare some of the troubling tactics that we have witnessed not only in new york but in other cities and states. that is why millions of individuals have taken to the street. all that they want is to be heard, and they want change and reform. so we gave them an opportunity to be heard. what we are seeking to do is put forth some recommendations on reforming the criminal justice system in the city of new york. >> all right. attorney general let itia james thank you for coming on the program. represent pramila on the supreme court ruling on daca. a e supreme court ruling on daca

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la letitia letitia jayapal jayapal joining me now is democratic "aquaman" pramila jayapal. thank you so much for coming on the democratic congresswoman pramila jayapal. i want to talk about a huge moment of relief for daca recipients across the country, of course, a decision made on a relatively narrow reading of the administrative procedures act and one that still leaves court challenges open. what next steps need to be taken

in congress to make the future for many of these recipients more permanently safe. do you think there's a will? we know this is an incredibly popular support among democrats and republicans but can you get it done? >> yeah. well, kasie, the first thing is the supreme court recognized how badly the administration overstepped their boundaries once again. it was an administrative procedures decision in many ways, but this is what the administration has done over and over again. and in doing so put the lives of 800,000 immigrant youth to just want to have the home reaffirmed that has been their home for such a long time, these daca recipients. for now what this means is the house already passed with the unanimous support of democrats the dream and promise ac, which would be put an end to the limbo and political football playing

that has been done with these young people's lives. mitch mcconnell and the senate need to take up that bill and need to pass it because the american people across party lines understand how important these young people's futures are to this country and how cruel it would be to continue to keep them in limbo and the president needs to push for that to happen and to sign it. i think the supreme court once again made it clear that that's the next step that must happen. >> so congresswoman, i'm having a little bit of trouble hearing you. while i sort through that i want to play for our viewers what ken cuccinelli said about this decision. he had some pretty harsh words. watch. >> i don't believe chuck schumer cried. he may have cried, but sadly it

would have been pathetic tears of joy at keeping this festering illegal wound alive so he could continue to toy with these people, unlike the president who is trying to solve the problem. it's amazing to see the supreme court keep an illegal program in place. it's terrible. this isn't loss. this is a delay -- >> yesterday we actually won, because they basically said, you won, but you have to come back and redo it. it's almost like, gee, come on back, your paperwork was no g d good. >> so congresswoman, if i can just get you to respond to what mr. cuccinelli said there. he's someone very much focused

on this from the republican perspective. >> he is so ridiculous in his comments, i have to say, to say that the supreme court is wrong. this is the highest court of the land. this court is the justice system we entrust these issues to. so i think this is an important moment, once again, to recognize that the supreme court affirmed how badly overstepped the trump administration has been in this issue and what political football they continue to play. any notion that they would continue to try to put the lives in limbo of these young people, who across the board democrats and republicans believe should stay in this country and should have a permanent solution would be incredibly cruel and in my view politically disastrous as well for the administration. >> before i let you go, i also want to get your reaction to what we saw unfold with the

southern district of new york over the weekend, the firing of mr. berman. jerry nadler, the chairman of the judiciary committee was on cnn this morning saying he doesn't want to launch an impeachment inquiry into mr. barr. there have been some democrats who called for that. do you think the attorney general should be impeached? >> kasie, going back to the mueller report and the way barr stopped people from seeing it for weeks on end and continued to stonewall us on the judiciary committee to the time when just recently when barr, the attorney general of the united states put out the military on the streets to take away the constitutional protections of protesters to protest peacefully. i have called on this attorney general to resign, because i believe this attorney general is not acting as the attorney

general of the united states, he's acting as the personal attorney for the president, and that is absolutely unacceptable. so we have called for barr to come and testify before us on judiciary. we are still waiting for that to happen and pushing for that to happen so we can properly conduct our investigation. this attorney general is literally every single day doing an injustice to justice in the united states. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal, thank you very much for coming on the program tonight. i really appreciate you rolling with the punches as well. next, a contortionist act to get a baseball season is remarkable amid a surge of cases in florida and arizona, teams are abandoning plans to do spring training there. harold reynolds joins me coming up next. there. harold reynolds joins me coming up next. wherever you may go, lexus will welcome you back with exceptional offers on exceptional vehicles. get zero percent financing and make no payments for up to 90 days

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there is no deal yet for 2020 major league baseball season. players were possupposed to votn the recent proposal but those were delayed after spikes in covid cases shut down all training site. this week five players and three staff members for phillies tested positive and one player on the blue jays. joining me analyst for mlb network harold reynolds. i'm thrilled you're joining us tonight. however, i also join with many americans being not thrilled with the lack of baseball. let's start with the very serious safety concerns we just ran through here. is the consensus among players that it is possible to do this safely? >> well, that's been the thing i've always talked about from the beginning. i felt like it's kind of flipped around. we talked finances first instead

of health. if you get the health piece right, you'll get players playing, i believe. they are getting close on the health. it's about testing and making sure protocols are in place. they have been doing that in some of their facilities. obviously in florida you talked about already. they are shutting it down. you saw earlier yankees and mets back to new york. it's a matter of following the spikes across the country, which you cover all the time on your network. it's a biggest tangle. but the biggest thing if you get the health issue taken care of, i think they are close with protocols and we don't know how everybody will hold up. that's everybody's million dollar question. >> setting that aside, that's obviously a very important piece of the puzzle. you mentioned finances. this has been such a protracted and for fans frustrating back and forth. there's a proposal on the table, they are going to vote on it. is this going to make it

through? are we going to see a resolution? >> it's frustrating. i'm a baseball fan, too, even though i'm on the tv side of doing it. there's two things going on. look, the commissioner has a right unilaterally with the agreement in march under his powers he can exact them to go play baseball. that would be 48 games to play. you'd probably turn around seeing an injunction from the players and grievance saying didn't act in fair negotiation. we would probably lose that, we being the players. on the other side of that, a proposal on the table. the owners said we're going 60 games. they have extended the plafyoff. more teams allowed to be in the playoffs. the players are voting now, they count it as 70 games and voting on if they are going to accept the owners' proposal or reject it. i think we're getting to a point where the commission is going to

have to say we're at the point we will play or get a deal done. there will be baseball one way or the other. get back to the first thing. get the health taken care of, it may be forced to be played, force the commissioner's hand, between those two. >> that's my most fundamental question, do we need to be preparing ourselves for the possibility there will be no baseball at all this year. sound like you're saying it's not a possibility. >> it's always a possibility. the players will flat-out say we're not playing. i don't think that's happening. it doesn't do good for the game or the sport. we've already had a situation now where negotiations dragged out in the public. with that we dragged our fan base through it. it has not been good for the sport. the best thing for players, owners, everything involved, get this settled and get back

playing baseball. once you get playing games, people have a tendency to forget about the craziness and fighting. if not, kasie, we're talking about this dragging on into next spring training and next season and that would be very ugly for the sport. >> no, for sure. before i let you go, i want to talk about the dh you played in the american league. sounds like the dh is going to be instituted under this plan. i'm also an american league fan. i grew up an o's fan. i'm for this but it seems controversial. is the dh here to stay? >> it's been heading that direction. let me be clear. if the commissioner unilaterally says we're going to play 48 games, we go back under the rules of 2019, so that does not mean there will be a dh in both leagues and does not mean the playoffs will be expanded. if the deal that is on the table

is accepted, there will be a dh in both league for the next couple of seasons and we'll see how that works. the only reason that's in play now is health concerns. you're going to carry a longer roster, probably a 30-man roster instead of 36, maybe even 35, so that will be expanded. you want to allow those positions to help. pitchers at this point in time, we're not going to see guys throwing complete games. you want to keep everybody safe, no need to send them to the plate. that said, will the national league accept it after they see it for a year or so. it's more of a testing ground, we'll see. i like it the way it is right now where you have the real league. national league is a true game of their own, american league is a true game of their own. i like it that way but i can see the argument for dh both sides. >> very dip mablgt of you, mr. reynolds. >> i said i can see it. i'd like to keep it the way it

is. american league, national league the pitcher hits. that's it in my mind. you're an orioles fan, you follow the american league. >> yes. it's a rough place to be. it is what it is. thank you so much harold reynolds. a new documentary on one of harold's former teammates. the film is called "junior" 9:00 pacific. harold is part of the film. please don't miss it. when we return, we're going to introduce you to the first black mayor of ferguson, missouri. erg. good morning, mr. sun. good morning, blair. [ chuckles ] whoo. i'm gonna grow big and strong. yes, you are. i'm gonna get this place all clean. i'll give you a hand. and i'm gonna put lisa on crutches!

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. welcome back. she spent 30 years as a mary kay sales director and 22 years as a master. now ella jones has been sworn in to be the first black person to ever hold the role of mayor to ferguson missouri. disparities have been laid bare by the coronavirus pandemic with missouri experiencing a spike in cases since reopening began. ella jones joins me now. madam mayor, welcome to the program. it's great to have you. i'd like to start simply by asking you, has your community made progress since the death of michael brown? what has been accomplished and what still needs to be done? >> well, our community has made

a lot of progress since the fatal shooting of mike brown. we have the consent decree. we're in our fourth year of the consent decree, in addition to that, we have court reform. we have a police that is -- a police department that is practicing constitutional policing. we have people who are excited that they're ready to move forward. >> when you were running for mayor, what was your biggest challenge in trying to convince people to vote for you? cerea clearly, you had some hurdles to jump over if you're the first african-american person to be elected to this job. what was it like? >> one of my biggest challenge was in the midst of campaigning, we had the covid-19 pap democratic and therefore, we had

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>> well, it's an honor and it's a privilege and it's humbling all at the same time, because the people believe they have a voice right now and we do have protesting going on in the metropolitan st. louis area. matter of fact yesterday i was in a protest with senior citizens who were unable to walk and we walked for those senior citizens, to people are home and they know we have a lot of work to do because racism has reader its ugly head and we are out here working to become a better community and a better nation. >> well, madam mayor, we do very much appreciate your time coming on tonight. i know we all are look for voices and political leaders who are stepping forward as we do

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hey there. i'm joshua johnson. good to be with you tonight from nbc world news headquarters in new york. this weekend was supposed to be the grand launch of pruch's re-election campaign. he said into the week with the same two national crises, police reform and coronavirus. neither got mentioned much last night in tulsa aside from blaming china for the pandemic. on the subject of policing, the protests against bias and brutality continue. today's protests including a celebration of black fatherhood in washington, d.c. today broos another claim of brutality, including a chokehold. the video is disturbing and the department has taken action. new york's attorney general leticia james weighed in last hour. >> i'd a troubling video.