that i miss her. you know. tell her i was sorry. sorry that i let her down. and that i loved her. but i think she knew that. 'cause i told her every day when politics. with covid cases on the rise -- >> i think there's more complacency and a higher risk of spread. >> -- president trump holds a rally in tulsa. >> i said to my people, slow the testing down, please. >> defends his record. >> i've saved hundreds and thousands of lives. >> and blames protesters for the smaller than expected crowd. >> they're trying to vandalize our history. desecrate our monuments, our beautiful mon munlts. >> why they believe last nights

could be a superspreader event. >> my guests, chad wolf, adam shifl, michael osterholm. >> i don't think he's fit for office. i don't think he has the confidence to carry out the job. >> democrats meanwhile angry that bolton refused to speak up during impeachment. i'll talk to the top delegate adam schiff. and a federal prosecutor, what's the real story behind the firing. joining me inside for analysis is nnb news correspondent carol lee. al cardenas. yamiche alcindor. welcome to sunday. "meet the press." this is "meet the press" with chuck todd.

good sunday morning and a happy father's day to all the dads out there. presidential politics, demonstrations, and a partisan pandemic all came together last night in tulsa, oklahoma. president trump has refused to wear a mask and his supporters have followed suit. wearings one is somehow signaling opposition to the president. the president got do what he loves do best. thrilling the crowd of supporters. the crowd was much smaller. the plans for an overflow area was scrapped. he diddet in a tulsa arena. this as experts fear the indoor rally could be a superspreader event. this as the united states, oklahoma, and tulsa specifically are all seeing spikes in covid-19 cases, this as we're still experiencing a 9/11-like

loss of life every four or five days. the rally brought about sinking poll numbers all on top of swiftly changing public attitudes that have put mr. trump on the wrong side of the the culture wars that he's always leveraged to his advantage in the past. >> i've saved hundreds of thousands of lives. we don't get even a mention. >> president trump at his first campaign rally since the pandemic began. >> when you do testing to that extent, you're going to find more people, more cases. so i said to my people, slow the testing down, please. >> with 26 states recording at least a 26% spike in new coronavirus cases over the last two weeks, oklahoma among them, the president went maskless, mocking covid-19 with racist language, insisting on the rally, despite warnings from his own coronavirus task force. >> i'm would take a chance i'm

going to get that virus. >> president trump spent nearly two hours on the attack. >> the on-hands left wing mob is drawing to vandalize our history, desecrate our monume monuments, our beautiful monuments. >> and blamed protesters and the media for the smaller than expected crowd. the president is showing trailing joe biden. and the rally caps a week where the president suhhered a series of setbacks. there's john bolton's new book. >> i don't think he has the come pe tense to carry out a new job. >> the president called the bolton book a compilation of lies and made up stories, then insisted it is full of classified information. mr. bolton is the fourth top administration official to

question the president's fitness for office. the president has called john bolton the wacko, rex tillerson, dumb as a rock, and john kelly way over his head. >> why do you keep hiring people you believe are wackos and liars. mr. trump tweeted on thursday, do you get the impression is supreme court doesn't like me? and then there's the late-night friday feeds of the distinct attorney for the district of new york. jeffrey berman was investigating a number of the president's associates. >> that's all up to attorney general barr. that's his department, not my department. >> i'm oom going to talk to acting home land sayre chad wolf and michael olsterholm in just a moment. but i want to talk about this drama-filled firing of the top.

pete, walk us through the last 48 hours where first he was getting promoted to a new job in justice, it was promoted, then he wouldn't go, and then he goes. >> our understanding is jay clayton, the scc chairman said, i want that job. he played golf a couple of weekends ago. the president knew him, barr knew him about, and we said fine. barr then said to berman, hey, we'd like to move this goo in. berman said number then barr said the president would be nominating jay clayton and berman would be stepping down. berman said, no, i'm not going anywhere. aisle stay until the senate confirms my replacement and on saturday the president actually said you're out. >> so, pete, obviously when you

look at this over the last four months, the president has seems to have gotten whether it's inspectors general or folks who were investigating different things, and there are many critics on capitol hill who are wondering whether it's about the rudy giuliani investigation or things like that that it fit as pattern, any evidence that suggests that is part of this larger pattern. >> no evidence, chuck. it's the appearance that has concerned democrats especially because it was berman's office that handled the prosecution of michael cohen, the former lawyer although he's recused from the case. and he's prosecuted two of giuliani's former associates, but several people in the office have told us they know of no imminent case. they don't think this was intended to derail anything. and at the end of the day, it may be that the president and attorney general may have liwand

somebody they liked better or new better. at the end of the day, who knows whether this is going to work because the republican chairman of the judiciary committee, lindsey graham, said he won't go ahead with it unless the two senators of new york agree with it and they don't. >> pete williams, i thank you for making sense out of the last 24 hours. >> you bet. joining me now is acting homeland security director, chad wolf. welcome and happy father's day, sir. >> thank you. >> i want to start big picture here. here we are in june. there's been over 8 million confirmed cases of the virus around the globe, and the united states accounts for just over 25% of all cases leading the globe unfortunately in that statistic. how did we find ourselves in

that precarious situation. >> well, i think what we saw earlier on in january and february is a virus that came to the u.s. we saw china not being very clear, not being up front about what they were seeing early on. we took a number of dramatic steps t president did, in limiting the spread or seeding of that virus here in the u.s., and what we've seen since then is a white house coronavirus task force working day and night to make sure we have the resources, the testing, the ppe, as well as the guidance to state and local governors to make sure we can open up the economy in a safe and reasonable way. we're seeing the states throughout the country in different phases, phase 1 through phase 3, trying to get the economy back up and running, and we're doing a great job at that. >> why do you -- is this what is considered a good job at this point? i say this. other countries in europe have been able to flatten their curves and we have not. if anything, we're on the rise. i know we're doing more testing.

but i want to show you these ta cities ticks. three states to show you where, yes, testing is up 30% to 40%, but the positive case percentage is up in florida, 88%. in texas, 77%. oklahoma, 94%. we're in the midst of a spike. is there anything to do to basically bend this curve that we're not doing? >> again, the coronavirus task force has put out the guidance. cdc has put out a number of things that states what they continue to do in the various faces. we're seeing that from social distancings to face coverings and everything in between. it's important. when we talk about testing, we have tested 25 million folks. we're logically going to see a number of cases, positive, over what we see in other countries, so i think it's important to keep that in mind. but, again, we're supporting. this is a state led reopening.

we're supporting that through our medical professionals at hhs and cdc, making sure the local officials have all the resources and knowledge they need to open up in a safe manner. >> it looks as if, though, what you guys have put out, the guidelines that you've put out, the guidelines that the cdc has put out, holding an indoor rally, is it surprising the public is not following the guidelines as well as they should given the example from the top is notwearing a mask, holding a rally, including people on the task force. >> i think i disagree with the premise of that question. i think what you saw in tulsa is a state in a phase 3 reopening, and so activities like this are allowed. again, when you talk about face masks, face coverings, hand sanitizer, temp checks, these are all things in the guidance.

i think it's important. it's also a personal choice people are making on the face coverings and where you are within that phase. it's very specific to individual states. we'll continue to provide the resource and guidance so that the governors have all the information they need to make those decisions locally. >> it's been a month since we had a public task force briefing. the lack of constant reminders of wearing face masks and social distancing, we're not seeing any of that right now. is there a reason? >> no, there's no reason. the task force continues to meet. i know the press would like daily press conferences. the guidance is out there. there's a lot of messaging that continues to go on both individually to states and to governors but also to the american people. the american people know about the social distancing, they know about the face coverings, and

we'll continue to push that message. >> are you concerned we're now in an endemic, this virus, we're going to live with it, we're not going to be able to get our daily caseload below 20,000, which we've yet been able to do, i think? >> what we know, is we continue to have individuals working hard at therapeutics and vaccines. we have people looking for vaccines. i think as we look toward the end of fall in the calendar year, that's where we'll be. we continue to do social distancing, face coverings, and practices we encourage all americans to do. >> under dhs, there are under 24,000 people detained. how are you handling the virus among those detained, and are you deporting people who test positive or are you waiting until they test negative before you deport them? >> as you indicated, i.c.e.

holds a number of individuals waiting for that deportation. we've taken a number of steps. we're adhering to cdc guidelines. in almost all of our facilities, we have reduced the intake down to 77% so we can social distance in many cases. we have voluntarily released about 900 individuals that are in vulnerable populations or have underlying health conditions and we're court-ordered to release a number of other folks. what we're not going to do is release criminals into american communities, so we're going to make sure we do that in a safe and reasonable way. and then on the repatriation side, we're testing most individuals we're repatriating back to foreign countries and making sure they're not symptomatic as we do that, and we'll continue do that. we're working closely with the northern triangle and others as we do that. >> so you're not intentionally sending anybody back that tests

positive. >> of course, not. we know the virus is difficult. you can be asim matic ymptomati day. we're doing everything within our power to make sure the repatriations are safe and secure as we send their nationals back to them. >> i want to ask quickly on daca and the deferred action of those folks brought into this country as children by their parents. the president described the decision as saying, hey, he actually won, it just means they have to fix the paperwork. le me ask the question this way. for somebody participating in the daca program, how concerned should they be they might be asked to leave the country in the next two years? >> chuck, i would say the program is completely lawful.

they just didn't like the rationale. the obama administration has created this program out of thin air. it's such a large decision and program. really the american people needed to have some comment into that. what we've seen is we take a logical approach to winding this down over a six-month period. we've been very clear about thamt we find ourselves where we're at today. the president's been very clear. we need to find a solution for this population. we're continuing look at it. we're continuing look at the opinion the court produced the week, making sure we adhere to that. we're going end an unlawful program. we need to solve it. and the president is begging congress to solve this problem. we're willing to sit down at the table and negotiate with them.

>> so are you going to resolve this administratively and follow what the supreme court seemed to lay out how you need to give more time in all of this, or does that mean the president has ruled out just ending this by executive order which is another way he could have done it, he just chose not to. >> no. i think he'll continue to encourage congress to come to the table and find the solution for this population. the president's been very clear about that over 3 1/2 years. but at the same time, he's always directed the department of homeland security to look at the opinion, look at the rationale and look at it. the department will be ready to make that call. >> all right. acting secretary chad wolf of the department of homeland securi security. i appreciate you coming on. >> thank you. >> the most new cases of

coronavirus have been recorded since may 3rd. and the u.s. is doing a far worse job of controlling this can pandemic than the european union is doing. look at that grafl. joining me now is infectious disease expert dr. michael osterholm. how do you explain the fact that the u.s. has 25% of the globe's cases and it's basically we're sadly number one with the rocket ship. >> well, first of all good morning and happy father's day to you, chuck. >> happy father's day to you. >> thank you. at this point we don't have a national plan that puts together what we're try dochlgt we have 50 different states, the district of columbia, and you've seen in the past week how disjointed that is. we're at 70% of number of cases we were at the very height of

the pandemic cases in early april and yet i don't see any kind of a this is where we need to do and that's one of our challenges. >> is this a failure of testing and tracing or is this just across the board? we've said on multiple occasions, we're not riding this tiger. we're driving it. this is a very serious issue that we can't shut down our economy. it's operating under its own time and own rules and we're trying to act like we can policy wise impose our will on this

virus. that's what's happening. >> other countries have been much more aware of the fact the virus is going to do what it's going to. do you have to basically stay locked down and limit areas. right now we're seeing increases in a number of states because everybody is back to a pre-pandemic mind-set. >> basically without sort of a, we're never going to let go of this curve? >> we have to allow local decisions. but at the same time what is our goal? second, once we have the positive tests, what are we doing?

i think right now we don't have even at a local level the kind of plans that say this is what we're going to do to shut down transmission over this period of time, and we need much more clarity that way. it almost in some ways is like, why are some areas doing better than others, why is that happening. >> you have said a second wave is inevitable. it's coming. this one is no different. are you concerned the second wave will be even worse than you first anticipated? >> you traditionally see that first wave, a period or trough

where very few cases occur and suddenly a flare-up of a second wave. i'm of the mind-set right now this is more like a forest fire. i don't think that this is going to slow down. i'm not sure that the influenza analogy applies anymore. i think that wherever there's wood to burn this fire is going to burn and right now we have a lot of susceptible people. i think right now i don't see this slowing into the summer or into the fall. i don't think we'll see one, two or three waves and i think we'll see one difficult forest fire of cases. >> by the way, team sports, is that probably going to not happen considering what we've already seen as they are trying to start up? >> you know, at this point it's going to be a challenge if you have teams that will continue to have outbreaks of cases within their players. at some point we'll have to have a situation where we won't have all of that transmission, but i think it is going to be very,

very difficult at this point to protect players and protect their staff, coaches, to protect the public. i think it's not going to be easy to do. >> it's looking more dire there. dr. michael osterholm with grim news going forward. again, a happy father's day. i know you haven't seen your grandchildren. hopefully that will happen soon. thank you, sir. >> thank you. when we come back, john bolton's book and one of many democrats who are saying what took you so long? congressman adam schiff joins me next.

welcome back. john bolton has pulled off a trick that few others have accomplished in partisan washington, maybe jim comey being the other one. bolton has managed to unite republicans and democrats against him. democrats are angry he didn't say it sooner particularly during the house impeachment hearings.

joining me now is the chairman of the house intelligence committee, adam schiff who oversaw the trump impeachment hearings. congressman schiff, welcome back to "meet the press." happy father's day. >> happy father's day to you and to my dad. >> excellent. let me start with what we saw over the last 48 hours with the southern district of new york. pete williams is reporting that they know of no motivation having to do with some other case, that this was simply the president wanting to do a favor for a golfing buddy who is currently at the s.e.c. do you accept that explanation? >> i can't accept that explanation given the pattern and practice of the president seeking his justice system to punish enanys, protect people he likes, and bill barr's willingness to carry that water for the president. also if you look at berman's statement himself, berman apparently has the same skepticism. there's a reason why he included that passage in his statement when he was saying i'm not

stepping down, that he wanted to ensure these investigations continued or words along those lines. so berman clearly had a concern about why he was being pushed out and given the firings of these inspector generals and given the way that barr has sought to intervene in cases to help out people like michael flynn or roger stone or seek punishment for people like michael cohen, then you really have to question what's really at the basis of this friday night attempted massacre and now completed one. >> do you want to see -- should we expect to see mr. berman in front of congress in the next week or two? >> i certainly hope that he will come and testify before congress, and i know chairman nadler intends to investigate this and he should. it's -- you know, i think the most disastrous management of the justice department in modern memory and like so much of what

we have seen in this administration, it doesn't come as a surprise anymore, but yet it's completely demoralizing to the people in the department and dangerous to the rule of law. >> have you read mr. bolton's book yet, congressman schiff? >> i have not. i've certainly read the excerpts that have been published in the newspaper thus far, and there's a tremendous amount to be disturbed about the substance of them. you know, i would put frankly, at the top of the list the fact that the president of the united states wasling to change tariffs on china only if china would help get him re-elected, and this is a perfect echo of his misconduct with ukraine, but more importantly than that, we warned during the trial that you could only count on donald trump to do what's right for him and not what's right for the coun y

country, and john bolton says that is exactly this president's pattern and practice, that he didn't see a significant national foreign policy decision made on any other basis than the personal and political reelection interest and that's a tragic and dangerous situation for the whole country when the president has that kind of myopic focus what's right for him and isling to sacrifice the national interest. >> i know that you wanted to see mr. bolton testify. you wanted to see him do it voluntarily. you also -- remember, you and i had a conversation before the impeachment and why you didn't want to force it, do you regret that decision now? should you have fought harder for bolton to testify before you voted on the articles? >> no. i think, indeed, our decision has been vindicated by the fact that we are still in court now over a year later trying to get mcgahn to testify. bolton said he would sue us if we subpoenaed him. we would still be trying to get john bolton's testimony today,

and given that the president was trying to cheat in the upcoming election, we couldn't afford to wait another year to get john bolton to testify. more than that, we are trying to ratify what we are hearing from the senators. we made the case when we were urging his testimony in the senate that the senators would one day have to explain why they didn't want to hear from him when they had the opportunity. well, they have now explained. those who haven't run away from the camera have explained trump is guilty, they found him guilty, the house proved him guilty, but they weren't prepared to do anything about it. so we had the evidence to prove it, we did prove it. but nonetheless, what john bolton has demonstrated and i think to the length and degree that he indicts donald trump, he also indicts himself for cowa cowardess and greed. there were people who did come forward.

people like colonel vindman who risked their careers and he lacked that basic courage and patriotism. it was only the agreed that made him come forward in this book, because remember, chuck, what his lawyer was saying at the time was that bolton might damage the presidency or he might violate his own oath and that's why he needed to go to court, but apparently those things have given way to a book deal. >> there is some damning allegations involving china which you brought up, but there's also things involved turkey and saudi arabia. these are a lot of things in the purview of the house intelligence committee. do you plan on getting ambassador bolton to testify soon and go under oath with these allegations? >> we haven't had a chance to read the book, as i mentioned, chuck. when we do and i expect we will within the next 24 to 48 hours like the rest of the country, we will look at what allegations like those involving turkey and other countries, particularly involving china, need to be flushed out and exposed to the light of day, and then we'll make our decisions.

but we do need, i think, to expose the length and breadth of this president's depravity and how much it is endangering the country, and those facts will need to come out, and we're discussing with the speaker and my fellow chairs just how to do that. >> look. if you don't act now and you sort of wait to act and you wait to see what happens in november is that too late if you believe he's done impeachable acts with the chinese government, can you really wait until after the election to put bolton under oath, to start the process? >> i don't think we should wait if we conclude that there are important things that he says that need to be exposed to the public. the public needs to know exactly what they have in this president. a lot of it is not a surprise, but at the same time, exposure of this president's misconduct is the best way to protect the country. congress can take steps to

protect the country. you know, look, those comments that the president made when only the interpreter and president xi were in the room, blessing the concentration camps of the uighurs, it's exactly why we want to know what he said to putin when he was alone in the room with putin because he's dealing away our national security. he's dealing away the values of this country in secret in order to help himself, and that's just so destructive of everything that this country stands for. >> congressman adam schiff, i've got to leave it there. the chairman of the house intelligence committee. wre'll be watching in the next couple of days to see what you guys do next regarding mr. bolton. appreciate you coming. happy father's day. >> you, too. before we go to break, john bolton will be my guest right here next sunday on "meet the press." i hope you'll join me for what i hope will be a fascinating interview. when we come back, why does president trump call many hires offen to jobs wackos and liars.

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welcome back. the panel is with us from their remote locations. nbc news correspondent carol lee. republican strategist al cardenas and yamiche alcindor, white house correspondent for pbs news hour. carol, i want to start last night and what you are hearing this morning from the campaign.

it seems to me that the turnout of that rally, the fact that they had no overflow, they didn't need it. they only had what looks like the estimate is less than 7,000 attended. >> yeah. >> in isolation, you can chock that that up to the health, but when you combine it with everything else that we've seen with the last couple of weeks for the poll numbers, is this a troubling sign with the campaign that they have an enthusiasm issue? >> yeah, chuck, they've really raised expectations for this rally. they were saying they had over a million responses to requests for tickets to the rally and we really wound up yesterday with something very similar to inauguration day. the crowd size was the issue. you saw the campaign spokesperson put out a statement saying this was a huge audience that watched the president's rally that's very similar to what we heard on the president's inauguration day over crowd size. the message was very similar, very doomsday, very much saying, you know, if you elect the democrats, if you elect joe biden, the liberal mob is going to take over. so the president had that kind

of a message. this comes at a time when the president can't really afford to lose any more support in the sense that the polls are against him and they're want getting any better. his internal polls, public polls, he's got a pandemic, an economic problem, and civil unrest across the country. the political rally was a risk politically and a risk health wise and he had his task force numbers advising him against this, but he really wanted to go forward with this and a lot of reason behind that is they feel that this is their only play, that they have to get the president out there and whether or not that winds up being wise, we'll see in a couple of weeks how the polls respond and also how the pandemic responds. is there a big spread of coronavirus cases because of this. >> al cardenas, you grew up in a politics that always knew campaigns and in presidential races the more optimistic messenger usually wins and that's not the case in the trump

era. more importantly, can you discern a re-election message that's out of the president right now? >> well, i think he's playing right into joe biden's hands. joe biden's campaign is based on the fact that he's going to be a healer. our country's divided. our country's feelings are too separate, too different, and we need to come together. so when the president speaks in a way that divides the country into two or more totally isolated, segregated pieces, it plays right into joe bide and his campaign. but the random thought about the rally was the fact that it was because the numbers were spreading in joe biden's favor, so i think the campaign got nervous and oversold rally in order to compensate for this declining polling numbers, and the result was a disaster for them. and then also the era. i mean without social media you couldn't have 800,000 people punk the campaign, but getting

tickets and getting the campaign to give out bad information, and so it was a confluence of, you know, of panicking over the sliding numbers and the consequence of being punked or fooled by these people, and it was not a good night for the trump campaign last night. >> you know, yamiche, i want to bring up john bolton here. and there's a pattern to the criticism by the president of john bolton to others that the president has criticized. he loves them when he hire those folks and hates them when they go out. >> a brilliant, wonderful man. >> what has he done for me? what has he done in afghanistan. >> i like bolton. he's a tough cookie. knows what he's talking about. >> he made some very big mistakes. john wasn't in line with what we were doing. >> i have tremendous respect for him. >> we were not really thinking the same. >> and, of course, yamiche, some of it is because these four gentlemen in particular have

said some pretty damping things about his fitness for office. let me put up some statements. john bolton, stunningly uninformed. john kelly, we need to look harder at who we elect. mattis, rex tillerson, someone who is undisciplined. we can't help but wonder if this is having an impact and this pile-on, questioning the president's leadership. >> i think what you saw last night and what you see going forward is a president who is playing defense, who is trying to really put out this message that he is a strong leader and he's someone who has the virus under control and someone who has his re-election under control. what we see in the john bolton book -- and it's really a 500-page bombshell of detail after detail. john bolton's thesis is that the president is unfit to be president and that he is someone who tries to curry favor with strong men and authoritarian leaders, and what makes the john

bolton book so dammanning is what you laid out. you think of general mattis saying he would ignore commands by president trump because he had a stream of consciousness with a meeting and he was undisciplined and senator bob corker who talked about the fact that the white house was an adult day care and the president took issue with that. in john bolton's book is someone of laying out that there are these quote, unquote, and steering himself sometimes doing bad things because of their own self-interests. >> carol, i want to bring it back to the virus for a second because i'm sort of stunned that chad wolf -- and i understand in some ways he's saying what he's supposed to say, which is we've dawn good job -- but there's no acceptance of responsibility here of how we are the country that is leading in the number of cases. it just, you know, we're the same size as the european union, and they flattened this curve and we haven't. is there any concern in the

white house that they have just botched this completely? >> we know there is concern among the president's political allies even if the president doesn't admit it publicly about the president's handling of the coronavirus will impact his re-election chances in november. and also not only that, but how the gamble that they're making on putting the president out there with the message that everything is fine, get back to normal and hold big rallies and gather around, that that's a real gamble for them too specifically because they're not at the same time asking people to follow their own cdc guidelines. so the virus is a wild card and they know it. >> all right. let me pause it here. when we come back, there were events across the country celebrating juneteenth, the end of slavery in the united states. up next, why the celebrations may be bigger next year and beyond. robinhood believes now is the time to do money.

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welcome back. data download time. for many americans june 19th, juneteenth, has long held a special meaning, but for others, especially white americans this was the year it was suddenly recognized everywhere. even so, momentum to recognize the holiday has been building for quite some time. first let's talk about what it is. juneteenth commemorated june 19th, 1865. it's the day when union troops arrived in galveston, texas, to announce the civil war was over. the news hadn't reached galveston yet and to award people that the emancipation proclamation had freed enslaved people nation wide. texas made juneteenth an

official holiday and 46 states and the district of columbia have joined and done the so. with most states doing so since 2000. the only exceptions are north and south dakota and hawaii. in the last few years we've seen resolutions recognizing the holiday pass congress numerous times and there's now talk of bills and both chambers to make it a federal holiday. as we have seen with other cultural shifts, corporations are ahead of the policymakers. just look at this wide array of household brands that offered employees a paid holiday this year. 47 states. congressional resolution and big moves in the private sector. add it all up and we could see the entire country recognize what african-americans have known for a long time, that juneteenth celebrated freedom for everyone and is worthy of a national holiday. when we come back, did president trump just lose a big campaign weapon he was counting on? stick around. prices of the season on

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welcome back. let's turn a bit more directly to the campaign trail. and, al, i want to play a little bit of a snippet of what the trump campaign wants to make their negative ad -- their sort of consistent attack ad message on joe biden. let me play a montage of these various attack ads that they've been running against biden the last couple of weeks.

>> joe biden, china's candidate, iran's candidate, and osama's candidate. >> joe biden can't stand up to the candidate. he never has, never will. >> china, china, china. they want to make it about china. here's what bolton wrote about one specific meeting between trump and xi. he then stunningly turned the conversation to the upcoming presidential election, pleading with xi to ensure he'd win, he stressed the importance of farmers and stressed the importance of chinese soybeans and wheat and outcome. i would print trump's exact word, but the government's pre-publication review process has decided otherwise. "van tirr fair" got ahold of unredacted words that said make sure i win. al, how much does this sort of undercut what the campaign thought would be an effective message against biden?

>> first, i've known john bolton for almost four decades and know him well and i believe john bolton. he may have many faults, but he's a truth-teller, and so i'd take anything he says about china and the presidency as alarming. china right now is trumping -- pardon the pun -- on hong kong and their invading the border with india and relations with china are horrible and the information about china's intelligence breaches are also quite alarming. and so i don't know that it's a good idea to harp on china, but i do expect joe biden to do so and this say way to neutralize biden's campaign and take on china and the record on china. i call it a way to get even with china. i don't want see a plus one way or the other. >> well, and in this case, you know, the democrats are also

going to try to make hay of china. yamiche, i want to show this graphic of the matchup between biden and trump and how very slowly it's sort of been, it's one of those things if you check day to day, you think, the presidential race doesn't change that much until you look at it over a three-month period. and as you can see here, the wras has gone from a three-point race on april 15th and a little before april 15th to where it is now, close to double digits. and what's got to be alarming to team trump, the trump number is eroding faster in some ways than the biden number is growing. >> i think that's why you see the president feeling like he had to go out on the campaign

trail to to reinvigorate his base and get those numbers higher up, and the president is not overly concerned about poll numbers. and as we saw in 2016, there are a lot of signs and a lot of people saying don't think about these numbers too much. the spread is growing and it's pretty clear that joe biden by staying at home mostly by making very select visits to places that he has a strategy that's working for him. i was just talking to the biden campaign this morning and they told me that they're rushing to make an ad out of president trump saying that he would be slowing down coronavirus testing. the white house says he was joking and he said that at a rally. so what joe biden's campaign is doing is if we sit back and let president not mention george floyd's name if he keeps doing stuff like that we can point to president trump or not have the gaffes that we know joe biden at times has made. >> it's been interesting, carol, that the trump campaign is desperately trying to mike hay, joe biden doesn't answer questions, and joe biden doesn't campaign, joe biden doesn't do this. come on, media, get him out there. it reminds me of a losing football team. why won't they pass? why are they kneeling down? why are they running out the clock? there's a reason they're running

out the clock. they're winning. >>. >> that's right. one of the things i was talking to one of president trump's campaigners is they're trying to re-brand joe biden. they believe voters think they know who joe biden is and what they're trying to do and they'll get aggressive on this. we've seen some of it is to basically say this is not the joe biden that you know. this is somebody who is not fit to be president. he's not all there mentally. they're really going to go at the idea that he's not fit for office because he's unwell. and that's just one of many ways in which they're reaching back for their 2016 playbook. >> yeah. it's an odd thing to hit biden on when the president keeps bringing up his own issue with the health watch, as well and the odd amount of time he spent on that. i have to wrap it there. that is all we have for today. thank you for watching and thank you for trusting us and a big

happy father's day to everyone out there who is a dad and we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." president trump rallies in tulsa over the weekend and was reportedly left fuming over the smaller than expected crowd. also, coronavirus cases on the rise here in the united states, and president trump is drawing criticism for a comment about slowing down testing. >> and after a standoff with the attorney general, the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york who has been overseeing investigation into some of of trump's associates is stepping down. good monday morning, ev