when, not if. and he sounded the alarm, though, to a country suffering from lockdown fatigue. >> right now, the next couple of weeks are going to be critical in our ability to address those surges we're seeing in florida, in texas, in arizona and in other states. they're not the only ones having a difficulty. >> meanwhile, president trump is on his way to arizona which just set a new daily record for cases again this morning. in about an hour, the president will visit a new stretch of border wall in yuma and speak to a group of supporters in phoenix. this as the president says the spike in new cases is only because of testing. >> do you have a plan to slow down testing? >> i don't kid. >> by doing all those tests, while it's good to do them, in one way, in another way, it makes us look bad. it's crazy. >> do you mean slow down testing? >> i don't mean slow down.

but if we did slow down or didn't do so many. let's say instead of 25 million, we did 5 million tests, we'd be very low in cases and wouldn't everyone say, that's wonderful? >> joining me now is my co-anchor for the next two hours, katy tur. like we said at the top, it's a busy day for us. tempting to go down that one rabbit hole on testing, but we're going to hold off. what do you got? >> there's also the private funeral for rayshard brooks which is just beginning at the ebenezer baptist church in atlanta. brooks was killed by atlanta police earlier this month in a wendy's parking lot. martin luther king jr. once preached at this church and his daughter bernice king is expected to deliver remarks during today's service. last night, crowds of people waited in the rain to pay respects to brooks at a public memorial. but, chuck, there's a lot going on. certainly what's going on on capitol hill is gaining a lot of

attention and what fauci is saying. what do you have? >> that is. plus police reform as well, which, of course, is a big topic that's taking place on the hill today, too. more on the house hearing, though, on the virus with the top infectious disease experts basically giving us a briefing that we haven't gotten as a country in quite some time. we mentioned dr. anthony fauci. he was joined by assistant hhs secretary admiral bret guar and the cdc director. they warned against the further spread of the virus and dr. fauci responded when asked if the administration pressured them to reduce testing as the president seemed to hint at saturday night. >> i, as a member of the task force, and my colleagues on the task force, to my knowledge, i know for sure that to my knowledge none of us have ever been told to slow down on testing. that just is a fact.

in fact, we will be doing more testing. >> joining us now, our nbc news capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. like i said before, in some ways, today's hearing feels like the country's coronavirus briefing basically that we haven't gotten in 60 days. so we're getting a lot of answers to questions we've had. you and i have had. members of congress have had. and it's coming at a time when this virus is spiking in other parts of the country. >> yeah, that's right. and dr. fauci and the other panelists have had a couple of news nuggets. some of it cautiously optimistic. you heard from dr. fauci that he thinks if we do indeed get a vaccine, that it could still be done by the end of this year, early next year and the chances they are taking are chances we might spend a ton of money on it. not things that would risk people's safety. we heard from the fda commissioner that we're in a much stronger position on ppe, if there's a second wave.

we'll have better availability of masks. better availability of ventilators. all the things that hospitals need to handle the increasing cases. but the big glaring red light in all of this has been the spike in cases we are seeing in other parts of the country. and dr. fauci was very clear that just because the death rates have thus far been lower than we saw earlier on in the pandemic, that may not always be the case. take a listen to this important point. >> deaths always lag considerably behind cases. you might remember at the time that new york was in their worst situation where the deaths were going up and yet the cases were starting to go down, the deaths only came down multiple weeks later. so you're seeing more cases now while the deaths are going down. the concern is, if those cases then infect people who wind up

getting sick and going to the hospital, it is conceivable you may see the deaths going up. so i think it's too early to say because the deaths are going down. >> i think of that in the context of my home state of texas where just yesterday the governor was acknowledging the problem with increased testing. a lot more cases in texas. he was saying with the death rate remaining relatively low in texas, and so this is the kind of thing to watch out for in all those spiking states. not to be celebrating what looks like higher case numbers when you could have this sort of tsunami of hospitalizations and deaths that follow that later on. >> and again, you talk to the experts and this is the memorial day surge and we're three weeks beyond that. so we know this feels like a rough summer for the sunbelt states if june is any hint. garrett haake getting us started on capitol hill. thank you. katy, speaking of the sunbelt, over to you. >> yeah, the president is going

to arizona. he's on his way there right now. that's where new coronavirus cases are dramatically on the rise. the state just recorded a new daily record. nearly 3,600 new cases reported today. it is part of a steady increase in new cases that's been going on over the past month in arizona. the president will tour a portion of newly constructed border wall in yuma, and then he's going to speak to young voters at a church in phoenix. so let's bring in nbc news reporter vaughn hillyard in phoenix. there's a lot here. the church has promised that everything is going to be safe within the church and then also, the mayor saying that she has spoken to the campaign and told them this event does not comply with cdc guidelines, and it is not safe. you shouldn't be holding it. >> exactly, katy. we should mention first he's about to get off air force one

in yuma to tour that border wall construction. i was talking with an official from the pima county health department who tells me two of the workers working on that very wall have already tested positive for covid themselves. so come back up. we're now here in maricopa in phoenix. i'll let you see the site for yourself. you already have several thousand folks on hand here to see the president who is still a good six hours away from here. you mentioned, katy, the city of phoenix mayor implemented a mask order here in the city and said that she urged the president of the united states to follow that himself. but as you've just seen here, you have one pen here. we're going to make our way. i'm going to show you where the second line is. there's maybe 1 out of 30 people that are actually wearing a mask here. and when you're talking about this y is the president coming? this comes down to the politics of it. how do you run a presidential campaign in the middle of covid? the president, the reality is, needs to win arizona. and right now joe biden is neck

and neck in polling here. in the trump campaign, they're very well aware they need to shore up support among his base of support here. so that's why you see on 109-degree day here in the heart of phoenix, katy, you see thousands of folks not wearing masks, prepared to see the president. you mentioned this church. this is dream city church. the pastor of the church, he released a video just two days ago suggesting that they had implemented a new ionization system that would kill 99.9% of covid virus. of course, that is not true, and i just got off the phone with the maker of that very system. and he said it was misunderstood by this pastor. it's not cdc or fda approved at this point. when you're talking to folks here, they said, you know, look. we're here to see the president, and quite frankly are not believing that the masks are an important factor here. but you've said it. this president is coming into town on the day arizona recorded

its record of new covid cases. but also today sets a record for the most hospitalizations, the most ventilators in use and the most icu beds in use here in the state of arizona. katy? >> vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. chuck, the president and the mixed messaging, him not wearing a mask, him not questioning masks, talking about how wearing a mask is a political statement against him. what you're seeing the effects of, is that line. that vaughn was standing in front of. nobody, very few people, almost no one, wearing a mask and very close together in a state where cases are dramatically on the rise. it's incredible. >> i had the acting dhs secretary on the show sunday and he kept talking about how much they continue to push social distancing and mask wearing.

except the president of the united states. he is setting an example. there's one person that's created the illusion that there's a -- that the illusion that wearing a mask is somehow a political symbol. and it's the president. no one else has done this. he has sort of willed this into a political divide that i don't think was there at the beginning. speaking of virus, we'll stay out west. california is also seeing a steady rise. governor newsom announced nearly 36% of the state's cases have been confirmed in the last 14 days alone. california was on the very early end of this. now think about how bad this recent spike is. this state is also seeing a spike in hospitalizations and icu patients. meanwhile, l.a. county health director revealed she's received numerous threats in response to the county's stay-at-home orders. california's challenge and the nation's was summed up by dr. fauci on capitol hill. >> we've been hit. we've been hit badly. anybody who looks at the numbers, we've had now over

120,000 deaths, and we've had 2.5 million infections. so it's a serious situation. we were going down from 30,000 to 25,000 to 20,000 and now we sort of stayed about flat and now we're going up. a couple of days ago, 30,000 new infections. bottom line, mr. chairman, it's a mixed bag. some good, and some now we have a problem with. >> let's bring in nbc medical correspondent dr. john torres. dr. torres, when you think about the lead-in about what happened in california in l.a. county. they decided early on to keep their stay-at-home order in place. and at the time, their numbers were fairly low. there was some criticism. now it looks like a smart precaution. >> chuck, you're right. extremely smart precaution, and the fact that they are getting these threats, that's disturbing. it's very unfortunate because as health physicians we try to make decisions based on science and

data not politics or the current agendas that are out there. even the popular will. it's things based on science. what we do know is these masks can help cut down your risk of getting coronavirus or passing it onto somebody else. what we don't understand, for some reason it's turned into this polarized issue that, again, i don't quite understand how this is happening. and the thing i equate it to is for decades we've seen those signs. no shoes, no shirt, no service. don't think twice about it. now this face mask issue which can be protecting us from coronavirus but also it's turned into a big issue where people don't want to wear it for whatever reasons. it's helpful. it can help prevent coronavirus. but this is certain lly putting health authorities in tough decisions. they have to make these decisions and statements. they need to be protected, chuck. >> dr. torres, the president is making it political and during the hearing today, congresswoman

anna eshoo pleaded with dr. hahn to come out and make a public statement and say, listen, this antibiotic or hydroxychloroquine that the president was touting is not effective. and that's what the studies show. to make a statement showing, here's what you need to do to protect yourself, to combat the politicalization of this disease. how effective and helpful to you think it would february our health officials came out more publicly, more forcefully and set the parameters for what this virus can do, the threats that it poses and what is not political about it? >> katy, you're exactly right. that would be extremely helpful to have one entity in particular taking the reins on this and saying these are the science-based answers driven by data that you need to understand about coronavirus and how to protect yourself. part of the problem has been since the beginning of the pandemic is getting that mixed message and oftentimes not getting the message.

some of this information has been buried. some has been released late at night and we're not able to get that information on a consistent basis from one person of authority who can tell us from a science perspective, from a medical perspective, this is what you need to do. not from a political or popular agenda, but here's exactly the answer to the questions you have as to how to keep yourself, how to keep your family and how to keep your community safe and hopefully going forward, that's where we start heading towards because we're going to have the second wave come. we'll have more issues in the late summer and in the fall. we need to be prepared for that, katy. >> dr. geortorres, we heard dr. fauci warn the death rate can be a lagging indicator. are we seeing signs that maybe we are at least improving outcomes of hospitalizations or is this simply too soon to tell? >> chuck, we are improving outcomes. we've learned over the past three or four months how to treat people. what works.

what doesn't work. you've seen the hydroxychloroquine not working at all. remdesivir not working as well as we'd like it to. we've seen dexamethasone seems to be working fairly well at keeping certain people from dying from coronavirus. and so we're learning how to treat people. but at the same time, the cases have come down. they are starting to go up. hospitalizations are going up. deaths are probably going to go up. so we'll probably goat the stage where more people are going to die from this, although we know how to handle this better. that virus is still out there. it's still dangerous. and it's still everywhere and it's going to start spreading again if we don't do the things we need to do to keep safe. >> feels like it's already spreading. i don't know if again, it matters anymore. feels like it hasn't really stopped. dr. john torres heading up our nbc medical unit. thank you, sir. katy, over to you. chuck, up next -- senate democrats say republican senator tim scott's police reform bill is, quote, woefully inadequate. we're going to take you to that. also, we're live in atlanta

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start now at godaddy.com senate democratic leader chuck schumer and kamala harris and cory beerkooker announced m senate democrats will not be supporting moving the bill -- moving -- allowing republicans

to move their bill into debate. the tim scott police reform. in a letter to mitch mcconnell, the democrats write, we'll not meet this moment by holding a floor vote on the justice act nor can we simply amend this bill which is so threadbare it does not provide a proper baseline for negotiations. this bill is not salvageable and we need bipartisan talks to get a constructive starting point. the senate is expected to take a procedural vote to start debate on this bill tomorrow. it needs 60 votes to pass which is looking less likely, but not out of the question. doug jones say democrat who said he will vote in favor of starting the bill. a lot of this, you'll get a lot more democrats to jump on board if mitch mcconnell would open up the amendment process, but that's something he's unlikely to do. >> i spoke with senator coons yesterday and asked him what the likelihood of this bill getting across the finish line in the next couple of weeks or even this year.

and he said he doesn't think it's going to happen in this administration. so we'll see what happens there. but that's not a hopeful sign. chuck, let's go down to atlanta. a celebration of life service is beginning for rayshard brooks at atlanta's historic ebenezer baptist church. the 27-year-old husband, father and stepfather was shot and killed by an atlanta police officer earlier this month. nbc's rehema ellis is there in atlanta. what is it like there today? >> it's very solemn here today, katy. only about 200 people are allowed inside of the church that seats some 2,000 people. it's a private service for rayshard brooks. one of the things they wanted to make certain they could do is social distance for safety and they're also encouraging everyone and requiring everyone to wear masks. we should tell you, also in attendance a short while ago, the service began, the mayor of

atlanta, keisha lance bottoms arrived, as did stacey abrams, one-time gubernatorial candidate and the district attorney who has charged the officers here in connection with the death of rayshard brooks. there's a jumbotron outside so that people can see and hear the ceremony as it's under way. and people have been coming up and saying one of the reasons they came here for was to show support for the family and also to continue to register their discontent, if you will, for how he died and how other young black men and women have died in police custody. katy? >> rehema ellis there, thank you very much. chuck? let's move to seattle where mayor jenny durkin says the city will be shutting down the capitol hill organized protests. the c.h.o.p. zone as it's been called. two weekend shootings, including

one that left one man dead. officers will return to the protester occupied district in the, quote, near future calling the recent violence a distraction from the thousands of peaceful protesters. it's sentiment that seattle's police chief echoed yesterday. >> groups of individuals engaging in shootings, a rape, assaults, burglary, arson and property destruction. and i have the police reports right here. i'm not making it up. these things have happened. >> the announcement comes as a revised 2020 budget tackling some of the protesters' demands goes before the seattle city council this week including additional resources for community engagement and policing. an exact timeline as to when the c.h.o.p. zone will be cleared has not been announced but clearly the c.h.o.p. zone's days are numbered. katy, over to you.

>> chuck, up next, we asked the more than a dozen members of congress who attended president trump's tulsa rally if they are getting tested for coronavirus. what they told us after the break. plus, we'll head to texas where, as cases continue to spike, governor greg abbott is urging people to wear masks and to take voluntary measures to stay safe. but he says closing once again is the last option. you're watching msnbc. the tempur-pedic breeze° makes sleep...feel...cool.

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we're following several new developments in the coronavirus pandemic. here are the facts as we know them this hour. arizona reported a record high of single day cases of coronavirus with nearly 3,600 new cases today. the president is moments away from arriving in the state. florida's governor ron desantis changed the state's guidelines for how intensive care unit beds are counted. desantis wants hospitals to report the number of patients who require an intensive level of care instead of the number of patients in icu beds. and the university of michigan has pulled out as a potential host of one of the three presidential debates this fall because of concerns about the pandemic. the october 15th debate will now be held in miami. which has hosted a couple in recent presidential cycles. katy, over to you. two more members of president trump's campaign staff who attended the tulsa rally have tested positive for the coronavirus. bringing the total number to

eight. earlier today, he was asked, the president was, whether he said he was -- whether he was actually joking when he said at the rally that he told members of his administration to slow down testing on coronavirus. >> were you just kidding or do you have a plan to slow down testing? >> i don't kid. let me make it clear. we have got the greatest testing program anywhere in the world. we test better than anybody in the world. our tests are the best in the world, and we have the most of them. by having more tests, we find more cases. >> i don't kid. interesting. he also said he was kidding when he asked russia to look for hillary clinton's emails in 2016. numerous public health officials have said that spikes in confirmed cases around the country are not just because of increased testing. back in oklahoma late sunday, the state health department urged anyone attending large events to go get tested.

13 members of congress attended the president's tulsa rally. they are on the screen right here. nbc news capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt asked each of them if they plan on getting tested. kasie hunt joins us now. so are they following the recommendation and doing so? >> well, katy, so far the response to the questions from our nbc news capitol hill team have been, i would say, muted. this doesn't seem to be a topic that many of these members really want to engage in. we have gotten a couple of responses. senator tom cotton, you saw him maskless at that rally in tulsa. his office says he is monitoring his symptoms and being cautious, their word. if he has any symptoms, they say he'll seek a test. so far he doesn't have any. senator jim inhofe of oklahoma was also at that rally. he told one of my colleagues over on the senate side that he does plan to get tested once

he's through the six-day window that they say means that the test will be as accurate as possible. we're also optimistic that we may hear from senator langford about his plans to get tested or not, although we've not gotten a definitive response from his office as yet. for many of these other members who attended, we haven't heard anything at all. and i think this speaks to the challenge and why, you know, when the president tries to create his own reality by saying, well, we have the best testing. we have the most testing. that's why we have all of these cases. that's directly contradicting thousands of americans' actual experience in trying to get a coronavirus test. these tests still do not seem readily available to people. it has certainly been changing in some areas. there is more access to testing. but many areas are still really struggling. our colleague vaughn hillyard has been reporting some of the struggles out of arizona to try to figure out how to get a test.

for a lot of members of congress, if you think about it, the headline in their local paper saying, oh, i got a coronavirus test when many of their constituents still are unable to access them is a little politically difficult. you'll remember, in fact, mcconnell and speaker pelosi rejected one of those fast testing machines that the white house is using every day that president trump offered essentially saying we're not going to take away resources from our constituents who are still struggling to get tests. so that may be part of what you see going on here, katy. even though you're right to point out that the example and the guidance from the cdc is to do this. there is, i think, some concern simply because we have been falling down so much on the testing since the very beginning of this, katy. >> i will just also mention, senator tom cotton says if he has symptoms he'll go get tested. not everybody has symptoms and you cannot have any symptoms, still have the disease and be a spreader of that disease. so the test is -- shouldn't be

contingent upon whether you have symptoms. it should be contingent upon whether you put yourself in a potentially harmful or situation where you could have been exposed, which is what the cdc recommendation or what the health recommendation is there. kasie hunt, what is it like right now on capitol hill? is everybody wearing masks? what's it look like? >> it's a very strange scene. we're actually in cannon rotunda on the house side and maybe two or three other people here in an area that normally would be packed with camera crews like ours and this is a scene that's replayed in all of these hallways where normally you know, people are easily rubbing elbows. there's packs of reporters surrounding members of congress. that's simply not the case anymore because we have to follow the social distancing guidelines just as everyone else does. and the majority of the capitol hill workforce is teleworking. the house of representatives has not physically been in washington hardly at all since this pandemic began.

i will say mask wearing seems to be the order of the day. especially the senate has been in session. they have been working, having meetings and lunches. republicans have done more in-person gatherings than democrats have. democrats have participated more by telephone. but mitch mcconnell has been out there in public -- when he went home to kentucky he said wear a mask. you're protecting older americans. there's a lot of at-risk members of congress. so thankfully that seems to be at least for the day-to-day operations of the 100 members of the u.s. senate, they seem to be following the rules. i think the house, as we've seen from some of these more conservative house members, may be another question entirely, katy. >> kasie hunt, thank you very much. chuck? >> up next, it is primary day in kentucky. we are live in louisville at the only polling location in the state's largest county. where there are usually more than 250.

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>> i know that some people feel that wearing a mask is inconvenient or that it's like an infringement of freedom. but i also know that wearing a mask will help us to keep texas open. >> you know, it's interesting to hear the governor say this, katy, because you can sense that he wishes there was one more thing he could do and he's not yet ready because he's got to -- his politics are one way. you feel as if the politics on that one might be getting in the way of exactly what he'd like to be asking residents to do. >> but just let's take a step back and consider the situation we're in now, chuck. there's a pandemic. health officials, doctors, people who study masks. everybody is saying, please, just wear a mask. a cloth covering over your face to protect you from other people.

and protect other people from you, et cetera. just do it all and we can get through this together. and there is a section of our country that's politicizing this. there are elected leaders bending over backwards to plead with their constituents to get them to do something that helps them. that makes them safer. it's just a remarkable time we're living in. we always wondered, would we come together during a crisis in this country? would the political divide close? what we're seeing right now is, no, there's a part of that political divide that will remain regardless of what we are facing. but not to get on too much of a rant. there are also primary elections being held today in kentucky, new york and virginia. after all, if it's tuesday, in kentucky, the governor is predicting record turnout in voter participation. but fewer than 200 polling locations will be available today after the state dramatically expanded access to voting by mail. in a typical election year, there are 3,700 polling places

available. dramatically less. joining us from louisville's exposition center is nbc's shaquille brewster. it's the only polling location in the state's largest county. shaquille, it looks pretty busy there right now. what have you been seeing? >> you really have been seeing no lines here. i'll show you around because this has been probably the busiest that it's been since we arrived here. and you see people there milling about. but it's not that many people. it's a constant flow of people. people are wearing masks. and if you come this way, you'll see this is the center that has about 350 individual polling booths or voting booths. and you see people using these right now but there's a whole other half of the room that's not being used. so it's not that busy. and that goes to show there's very little that's typical about this elerks. it was supposed to happen in late may. got postponed to today. and the reason why you're not

seeing this flood of people right here is because most people have already voted thanks to an agreement struck between the democratic governor of the state and the republican secretary of the state. but you did hear accusations of voter suppression because there was a dramatic reduction in polling locations. that's something the democratic governor pushed back on aggressively. listen to a little bit of him defending his state. >> we've had mail-in voting for the first time in our history. i think that's the opposite of voter suppression. we've had no-excuse early voting for the first time in our history. that's the opposite of voter suppression. 170,000 people had their voting rights restored which is the opposite of voter suppression. now that doesn't fit in twitter very easily, and i get that. and, yes, there can be concerns about one polling location. i don't think it's being done intentionally to suppress the vote. at the end of the day, i believe we'll have more people vote in this primary than i've ever

seen. >> and talking to voters as they've been coming out, a lot of what's been driving voters to the polls today is that race to take on senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. it's amy mcgrath, a marine fighter pilot going up against charles booker. one thing you saw was amy mcgrath, many thought she had this race on lock. she raised $40 million in this race, but charles booker tapping into the energy and the momentum that you've been seeing. the activism after the killing of breonna taylor. after the death of george floyd. tapping into the energy of protesters really has created a lot of momentum for himself. he got endorsed by the two largest newspapers here in kentucky. and he also has gotten many national endorsements. bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. so you are seeing her having to face an unexpected challenge, a race that's closer than many people expected when we're talking about this a couple of weeks ago. katy? >> a really interesting twist in this primary.

shaquille brewster in kentucky, thank you very much. chuck? >> with some voters having a harder time finding a place to vote, there are concerns about voter suppression. joining us is legal defense and educational fund jennae nelson. it is interesting on this issue of mail-in voting. for what it's worth, i know that even the democratic campaigns, they'd certainly prefer early voting over mail-in voting. if you're going to expand voting rights, i always hear the thing that most advocates want first is expanded hours to go vote meaning early voting two or three weeks in advance more so than mail-in voting and mail-in is the next level down. how do you guys see it when it comes to which type of voting you want expanded first? >> we want it all. it really is a both/and. we need to expand the capacity

for voters to be able to access the ballot in every possible way. especially against the backdrop of a pandemic. we want to expand early voting. we want to make sure that election day is a federal holiday so that people do not have to choose between work and voting. we want to make sure that we have expansive absentee ballot options for voters as well. particularly those who may have pre-existing conditions which we know disproportionately affect black and brown communities. we want to ensure that anyone with a disability, anyone who is potentially vulnerable because of the pandemic has no excuse absentee balloting that can ensure their safety. no one should have to choose between their health and their right to vote. we want to make sure that there are expansive opportunities for all voters. and that means making sure that there are also ample in-person voting opportunities.

what we're seeing that is incredibly disturbing in so many states, and kentucky is a perfect example, that when you expand mail-in voting, you expand absentee balloting, there's a decrease, a shrinkage in in-person opportunities. and that really should not be the case. many voters are still capable and very interested in voting in person. you can't shrink the voting opportunities in person from 3,700 polling sites to a mere 200 to service a state the size of kentucky. that is a recipe for a problem. and we want to make sure that we head towards november, we learn lessons from these primary elections and we ensure that we have as many opportunities to vote as possible in the november election. >> let's talk about november. the southern poverty law center writes that voting rights advocates are prepping for what's being called the perfect storm in 2020. what is -- is there a sense of

distrust between, let's focus on the black community and the government? and do they feel like if they are voting absentee ballot, if they are voting early, is there a feeling that those votes will be counted? >> listen, it's quite understandable that given the massive amount of misinformation that surrounds our politics, that surrounds elections that there would be some wariness about almost any voting change or any technology that exists to aid voters. but what we're saying is that voters should be prepared to vote. they must ensure that they ask for absentee balloting if that's the method that they're choosing. that they understand the deadline for postmarking that ballot. that we are prepared to go out to the polls and turn out as robustly as possible in november

in the primaries that still exist before then so that there are fewer opportunities to suppress the vote. there are many pending bills that can protect the vote, and we hope that they will get passed before november. there are ways to protect voters like the voting rights advancement act that restores the voting rights act to its full capacity and does even more. and this happens to be the anniversary of the shelton county decision this week that gutted the voting rights act. this is the time to bring more attention to restoring those protections so that voters can have greater trust in elected officials. this is the time to move forward with the shield act and the heroes act which brings more funding to help jurisdictions in advance of the november election respond to the pandemic, respond to the new demands on election

officials so that they can provide ample opportunities to vote on election day. this requires us to think about the level of foreign interference in our elections and to think about the shield act which actually creates a much more barriers to foreign interference in our elections. there's ways to create or confidence in our election by passing the legislation that's pending. >> thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. coming up -- police clash with protesters trying to take down a statue of andrew jackson near the white house prompting president trump to threaten jailtime for anyone who vandalizes or tries to take down a federal monument. >> we are looking at long-term jail sentences for these vandals and these hoodlums and these anarchists and agitatoagitators.

call them whatever you want. some people don't like that language, but that's what they are. they're bad people. they don't love our country. and they're not taking down our monuments.

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president trump is threatening protesters with prison time for trying to topple problematic statues. the statements comes after protesters we are clear near the white house today. reports on the ground indicate the protests were quiet and peaceful. last night protesters were forcibly removed from lafayette park, where they tried to topple a statue of former president andrew jackson. joining us is monica alba from the white house. monica, what happened? am i correct that secret service asked reporters to leave the white house grounds last night? >> reporter: yes, it was highly

unusual. you don't normally see that when there's a security incident normally reports and staff are asked to stay inside until further instruction. the secret service concedes they mistold people to leave. that wasn't what was supposed to happen, but reporters who were here were asked to exit through a different gate than they normally come in. that's because they had expanded the perimeter around lafayette park and around that statue of andrew jackson. as the skirmishes got more intense. where he sees days of peaceful gatherings. the park had reopened, because you remember those ten or so days after the death of george floyd, you have had protesters in an organized fashion, but thousands of people came. last night the skirmishes where they did try to topple the statue prompted park police and the secret service to use pepper spray, which they admitted to a lot quicker than they did a few

weeks ago. remember when they cleared the scare so the president could walk to st. john's church. the present feels very strongly anyone who defaces one of these monuments or statues, should face a long time in prison. he's saying he wants to take action even beyond laws that already exist. take a listen to what he told reporters before he left for arizona. >> i will have an executive order shortly. all it will do is reinforce what's already there, but in a more uniform way. if these hoodlums come around and if the states can't handle it, we are ready, willing and able to help, as we did in minnesota. after four days they finally called, and we did a great job with the national guard. >> reporter: oftentimes when the president says he wants to do an executive order like he mentioned, it's not clear how close to ready that is. the white house telling us they have no guidance or timeline for

when it could be issue. mea coalitions on air force one conditi what already exists he wants to continue to employ, that is that people who do destroy or try to take down these statues and monuments could face up to ten years in prison, katy. i'll just tell you that the perimeter again has been expanded. lafayette park is once closed. there are several other statues throughout the park that could be targeted in the future by protesters. >> notable he's using charged language look hoodlums. monica, thank you very much. coming up in our next hour, we'll be joined by the attorney for eight minnesota corrections officers who filed a complaint saying only white staff were allowed to guard derek chauvin, the police officer charged in the killing of george floyd.

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good afternoon. i'm chuck todd. it's 2:00 p.m. here in the east. 11:00 a.m. inniuma, arizona, where the president just touched down. he will mark the completion of the border wall's 200th mile. as the president visits the state, though, cases are spiking

there. they have mid single-day highs for many days. the committee is serving as the country's first coronavirus task force briefen for some time. today dr. anthony fauci pushed back on the suggestion that the president told him to slow down testing. >> none of us have ever been told to slow down on testing. that just is a fact. in fact, we will be doing more testing. . also is capitol hill today, fresh signs of trouble for the effort to pass bipar sat police reform. we'll go to the senate. we bring in my coanchor for it is hour katy tur. a lot of moving parts to the day, a lot of events happening, and one related to this need for police reform.

>> rayshard brooks will be laid to rest. last hour, funeral services got until way at the ebenezer baptist church where martin luther king jr. preached. attendees wore white, and bernice king is in attendens and will speak. reverend rafael warnock will deliver the eulogy. a friend and co-worker remembered rayshard as someone who tried desperately to turn his life around. >> ray had overcome his circumstances. he was working hard to becoming the best provider, daretaker, community builder, father, husband, son, brother and relationship agent he could possibly be. the justice systems that exists made it fairly impossible for him to try to live a prosperous life well after he had paid his

debt, the sum kept trying him in, grabbing ahold of him like quicksand. let's turn back to arizona, though, where the president just arrived a moment ago. this afternoon he will visit yuma, to tour a newly constructed portion of border wall, but his visit comes as cases are surging in oklahoma, with nearly 3,600 new infections today. joining us is jacob soboroff, also author of a new book. i know it is a tough subject. what is the latest out there in yuma, though. how is the city reacting to the president's visit? >> reporter: you know, katy, when he sees the new 200-mile stretch of border wall, i can almost assure you that's not top of minds for residents here two

workers confirmed -- local officials confirmed to von hilliard, that two workers working on the wall have contracted the coronavirus. that's the context for the president's visit here today. i think he would like to reset politically and focus on this new border wall. when you talk about i want are immigration, this wall is not the only thing that's the top of the news. coronavirus is also exploding inside i.c.e. detention centers here as julia ainsley and i have reported on. so while the president would like to focus the nation's attention on this, i think it will be hard to do. he should be here in a bit. jacob, thank you very much. chuck, back to you.

i'm not sure talking about the border wall is a way to improve fortunes inside arizona now. i do think when it comes to the messaging front, it's off-kil r off-kilter. four members of the task force are answering questions. among those are dr. anthony fauci, admiral bred giroir, and robert redfield, and stephen hahn. >> you should not congregate in crowds. you should keep distance, and even though many people for a variety of reasons do not listen to the not suggestion but plea

to not congregate in across the board, some people are going to do that anyway. if you do, please wear a mask. as you wear a mask and you're in a situation where you're getting animated in a demonstration, a rally, wherever you are, avoid as best as possible the urge to pull your mask down and shout. >> joining us from washington where the hearing is in a break, lee an co leeann caldwell is joining me. have we gotten a good answer yet of why we're the outlier in the globe? >> reporter: chuck, that's an excellent question. we haven't gotten a direct answer on that yet specifically, but what dr. fauci and the other members of the task force did

do, is they contradicted the president and his message throughout. you just played the clip about mask. the president has not come out and said people should wear a mask. he himself is not wearing a mask. dr. fauci is saying people need to wear those masks. they are a big deal in containing the spread of the virus. just this morning the president said he did in fact tell his officials to slow down testing. dr. fauci and the other officials said no, that did not happen. he never said that. on this issue of testing, the president says the reason there are more cases is because there's an increased amount of testing. dr. fauci said that is not the case. the reason there's more cases is because of community spread. while of course the coronavirus is the topic of this hearing, chuck, the president took central stage here.

listen to this contentious exchange with the republican representative f. >> numerous times you have commented appeared contradicted what the president says. do you think he's being judged fairly? >> it depends on what you mean. i work in the white house, and i believe that everyone there is doing everything they possibly can. >> thank you. >> to do what they need to do. >> reporter: that relationship between dr. fauci and the president has really broken down. just moments ago dr. redfield of the cdc said -- he would not say the last time he actually spoke with the president, so these scientists and doctors that we're hearing from is the most somber and realistic analysis that we're getting on the coronavirus at this stage, chuck. >> and perhaps, leanne, we're getting a taste of why the

president has not wanted these folks in front of the public in 60 days. in some ways, this is the best we're going to do today. >> the director of special pathogens at boston university school of medicine. he was part of a w.h.o. operation in sierra leone to combat the ebola outbreak in africa in 2014. so we're hearing from people like -- this is still very serious, hospitalizations going up is concerning. we can't yet say that the death rate is okay, because it might not actually be the case when

you have think vastly diverging messages, how do you form a coherent public policy to protect a nation? >> katy, you and i can answer that, i think, we would be in a much better position. we're at a state where on sunday 20% of the global cases were u.s. cases. the european union is potentially considering banning american travelers, because we haven't controlled or pandemic. and dr. fauci said we've done well in some of the coastal states where we had really high peaks, but now we have new peaks as part of the first wave in other states where hospitalizations are rising. what i was heartened to hear is none of them have been pressured to stop testing, or reduce testing. testing is important not just for the individual that might have a disease, and maybe they

can stay home, but it's also important for us as a surveillance tool to see where this pandemic is going, reducing testing would be like terning off your headlights in the mid of a storm, because you don't want to be aware of the danger that's coming down. dr. fauci is saying you're seeing these cases going up. generally what happens is a portion becomes hospitalizations, which is a lagging indicator, and many states are already seeing that. the next step that happens is people who are hospitalized, unfortunately a portion may die. that will increase the number of deaths from this disease, so why is the president talking about this idea of reduction of testing? >> i think we're shooting

ourselves in the foot if we go down that path. >> what would you be doing? >> if we can avoid congregating in one place, as multipeople people, and continue to wear the masks so that others around us don't get sick, and that population then doesn't end up being in hospitals, potentially occupying, you know, those beds that could provide care to other people and putting the lives of health care workers at risk, i would tell the arizona governor to continue to think about what would be resources, where they're -- i would ask to not have large gatherings within the state.

>> doctor, i want to turn to some good news. we're looking at live pictures of yuma, arizona. the president will appear any moment now, but earlier today at the hearing, dr. fauci said when it comes to a vaccine, it's a matter of when, not if. he felt very optimistic, or at least cautiously optimistic that we'll have one. when it comes to the safety of it, he emphasized that the risk involved is the risk to the companies that are trying to develop it financially, that they're going forward and taking a financial risk. he tried to emphasize that the risk would not be in the safety of the vaccine. what did you make of that comment? and how hopeful are you that we're going to have a vaccine? >> katy, there's been a concern about whether there will be political pressure to release a vaccine. we have seen everything

politicized in this pandemic, particularly by this administration. will we see -- i was really heartened to hear dr. fauci said that safety will be forefront, because the last thing we want to do is potential release the vaccine in an age where we have seen a lot of, you know, vaccine -- a lot of resistance to the vaccine to regularly establish vaccines that have great track record of safety all right. i think that would be a step backwards. so to hear a vaccine would actually be released would always go through that complete safety check is great to hear, and it's good to hear where are the places we're able to reduce the time, and the timeline to release it. we might have a good chance. we put the machinery together with sars and mers. we never progressed, because

those pandemics thankfully receded. i'm hopeful, but i don't think it will be at a timeline that's convenient for us. we can't be planning on things being convenient. i think that's something this pandemic should at least -- if that's one lesson people learn out of this, it would be a good one. doctor, as always, thank you for providing your expertise for us. still ahead, despite wide popular support with policing reform, will it survive the senate? senate republicans are speaking about it right now. here come the partisan politics. the minnesota jail holding the police officers charged with george floyd's murder is facing a bias complain. after the superintendent ordered that no correctional officers of color be allowed to guard him. we'll talk to a lawyer representing these officers. you're watching msnbc.

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senate democrats are calling majority leader mitch mcconnell to the negotiating table for a more expansive police reform bill that both parties could potential support. in a letter released earlier today, they're prepared to block the current gop proposal. eyes now on mcconnell and whether he's willing to negotiate or whether he'll tell democrats to take it or leave before a procedural vote tomorrow. joining us is garrett haake. garrett, this is the portion of the program we start the partisan lobs back and forth. >> reporter: we made it, 20 minutes. >> exactly. some of this will be for show, some of it is for twitter, but some is for the bases, but sometimes it signals the beginning of the end of negotiation. what do you sense here?

how seriously should we take this rhetoric going back and forth right now? >> reporter: it does look like the bill will go down as early as tomorrow. you mentioned that the democrats calling this woefully inaccurate. they've been saying that, but today they started calling it unsalvageable. they say this is not a bill they could fix. they have made the conclusion, either by pure policy or politics, i'll leave it to the viewer to decide, that it cannot be mixed on its martz. rather that i try to have a debade and extend the process, it look likely that they're going to filibuster this bill, ospenceably to try to force negotiations with mitch mcconnell to get something more

palatable to start this process. without much interest from the president, with the parallel bill moving forward in the hours essential an entirely democratic operation in the house, i have a heart time seeing republicans devoting more time debating this bill. i think it's entirely possible you'll see them filibuster this, and both sides retreat into their corners at a time when the public is incredibly focused on this. >> correct me if i'm wrong, was there ever a meetingharris, sco did they get together before this? >> reporter: my understanding is they had conversations, but nothing that could be described as a negotiation. this is increasingly how we have seen things go in the divided government here. the house will do their thing,

the senate with a leadership-controlled process will do its thing. tim scott took the lead, but this was done closely in contact with both the majority leader's office and the white house to make sure they were all on the same page, and nary the two sides shall meet to see what they can get to in the middle. >> garrett haake with the latest there, garrett, thank you. i'm guessing we'll have a more lively floor debate tomorrow perhaps. katy, over to you. chuck, complains have been made or filed with the minnesota department of human rights on behalf of eight corrections officers. they say they were segregated from derek chauvin, the police officers charged with killing george floyd, separated based solely on the color of their skin. it's a claim that the ramsey county sheriff's office initially denied, but in a statement issue this had week, superintendent steve lydon now admits to allowing only white staff to guard chauvin.

he says he made that decision to shield employees of color -- joining us now is bonnie smith, the attorney representing the eight ramsey county corrections officers. thank you very much for joining us. i want to get first your reaction to the superintendent saying he was doing this to protect those corrections officers. he says, quote, who could potentially aggravate those feelings being exposed to a murder suspect who could potentially aggravate those feelings. >> katy, yes, two responses to that. first, there was never any discussion prior to the press getting involved in this matter that my clients' mental health

was a concern. second, my clients never asked or needed protection, and i would argue that the order that was issued, if anything, compromised the safety at the jail, both among the inmates, the staff, by breaking the truth between the supervisor and interrupting emergency procedures, and essential rendering the officers unable to do their jobs. >> why do you think the superintendent made that decision? why do your clients think the superintendent felt he needed to protect them? >> well, katy, as you highlighted in your opening piece, the county's position has changed on this. what my clients were told on the day, on may 29th, is that they were kept off the fifth floor where derek chauvin was, prevented from guarding him,

because they were considered a liability around him. and, of course, they understood that as anyone who heard that might understand that to mean they couldn't be trusted to do their jobs in a professional manner. keep in mind, katy, these are highly trained folks, and they have handled high-profile inmates in the past. they had given for reason that they couldn't do the job, regardless of who the inmate was. >> mr. lydon also claims they reversed his decision quickly, saying shoresly after making the decision and corrections staff expressed concern,ings in 45 minutes i realized my error and reversed the order. is that how your clients would describe the timeline? >> we don't know exactly how long the order lasted. i don't know that. i think it was pretty chaotic for a number of hours. it's unclear how long it lasted, but i think what is important to remember is the nature of

segregating your employees on the basis of skin color only, is that you have -- the damage is done once the order has been issued. you indicated that you're judging them on the basis of their color, not on how they are performing their job duties, and you've indicated they could be trusted and indicated a bias toward them because of their skin color. the damage was done already, regardless of how long the order lasted. >> what are you seeking on behalf of your clients? >> my clients have pretty modest requests. they want to be compensated for the trauma and financial and emotional distress they've been through. primarily they want to sure this never happens again at ramsey county. they are seeking that superintendent lydon, who constitutional currently has authority over employment decision at the sxwral, we're asking that he be removed from the jail entirely, that any other leadership figures who

were involved or complicit in the order, that they be swiftly disciplined and appropriately disciplined. we are asking for comprehensive training, as well as a formal apology and retraction shun of the false comments to press regarding the fact that this never happened. so those -- their bottom line is they want a change in culture at the sheriff's office. they want more transparency and a concrete plan that this will never happen again. >> it sounds like they want to not be judged by the color of their skin. >> that's right. >> bonnie smith, thank you very much for joining us today. we appreciate it. chuck, over to you. >> thank you. well, as if on cue, garrett and i talking about political rhetoric, the rhetoric is starting to get heated. republican senator john barrasso said this about the current dispute. >> chuck schumer, with a choke

hold on the justice act and our opportunity for police reform in america. >> given what we saw last week when i think dick durbin used the word token to describe some part of the bill, that got turned into a number of fund-raising e-mails for folks on the right. i have a feeling that statement may be something we see quite a bit. up next, the world's top-ranked men's player tests positive after playing in an exhibition event he organized, an event now linked to a growing cluster of cases.

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there are new developments this afternoon in the pandemic. here are the facts. dr. anthony fauci warned that a vaccine might take some time,

but he also said he's hopeful a vaccine could be ready by the end of this calendar year. this summer's july 4th celebration will look differenced. displays will be launchesed from unannounced locations. baseball fans are potential one step closer to having a season this year. major league baseball announced plans for a 60-game season with players they hope reporting by july 1st, but the players union still needs to agree to the plan. the league wants an answer by 5:00 p.m. today. we'll see. meanwhile, katy, one of the more interesting offthe court sports issues and virus-related stories is next. the world's number one men's

tennis player, novak djokovic said he is the fourth player to test positive. he released a statement that unfortunately this virus is still present and a new reality we are still learning to cope and live with. i'm hoping things will ease with time so we can resume lives the way they were. joining me from london is carl natsman. i understand you've been talking to big names in the world who are furious. no shortage of criticism for the world's number one player. though he's doing fine, is showing no symptoms, this goes beyond him just coming down with. other players and his wife also have come down with the virus. this tournament was organized by

djokovic himself, an unofficial fund-raising event. there were thousands of fans in the stands, no face masks to be seen. the players themselves were hired fiving, hugging, pickup basketball games. that kind of behavior continued off the court as well. there is photos and videos circulating of djokovic and other top players partying and dancing late into the night in night clubs there in serbia and in croatia. you know, that criticism, i spoke with a former women's player, renee stubbs, she's won six grand slam titles. she said, look,s this could have a ripple effect when it comes to trying to get the professional season started again. here's what she told me. >> the irresponsibility of what has been going on over the last couple days is now jeopardizing something like the u.s. open. you know, that's where -- that's

the bigger question in this, not only the safety of the players, but also the u.s. open is a month or two away and this is going to put a scare in a lot of players and how they want to go about this. it might be a good scare, that they actually do take the cdc seriously and not go out, not go clubbing, not go to restaurant and then bring it back. >> of course here in london, the iconic wimbledon has been chanced. djokov djokovic. carl nasman, thank you very much. chuck, thisunder scores how much it will be to get sports operating again, especially if you have players who will disregard the guidelines, and

just openly disregard what you need to do in order to stop the spread of the disease. high-fiving, hugging, going to a nightclub, i mean, come on. >> you know who has a lot of say over there? sponsors. sponsors, my guess, is who will get some players in line. i'm guess the players still want their sponsorship money. a concert hall opened its doors for an audience of plant. barcelona invited a string quart quartet. the artist was inspired by nature. it celebrated the end of the national emergency. as for the plants, they'll be donated to frontline workers in barcelona. still ahead, primaries are under way in virginia, new york and kentucky. is this the progressive super-tuesday that progressives

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. former president barack obama is returning to the campaign trail virtually for joe biden. he'll be hosting an online fund-raiser.

it's the first time obama has joined biden for an official campaign event during the 2020 cycle. according to the former president's spokesperson, he'll deliver a full-throated case for why he thinking biden is the leader the country needs now. in that sense, when they've had the rsvps, things like this, maybe it's the draw of who they got in barack obama, but this is a reminder you're starting to see both campaigns getting better at raising money virtually. >> and biden has raised trump for the first time, prompting fears within the trump campaign that biden will be tougher to challenge, but chuck, today is tuesday. you know what happens on tuesday? people are voting, today in kentucky, new york and virginia. i learned this for filling in for you on "meet the press"

these are not like normal elections, obviously, because we're in the middle of a pandemic. now with an emphasized need for mail-in voting we should expect to see a lag in results, not necessarily things happening this evening. it will also make it harder for americans to vote in person. joining mess is steve kornacki. steve, i guess this means we're not staying up through the night to get results. >> i'm definitely going to stay up tonight, because i think we'll get some numbers tonight, but not all the numbers. let me take you through it. in kentucky, the marquee race, the winner of this race will take on mitch mcconnell. that's obviously an uphill fight. amy mcgrath got in the race early. she had run for the house in kentucky a couple years ago,

almost won, didn't he seems to be gaining a lot of support certainly in the ways of the black lives matter, he's got big national endorsements coming in as well. possibly he's closed the gap. possibly he could win this nomination outright. the story in kentucky, heavy mail-in ballot for the first time. 890,000 ballots were requested as of ideas, over half a million had been returned, almost 90 thousands had gone and voted in person early in kentucky. that's nearly 600,000 between those two. normal primary in kentucky, they get about 650, 675,000. as of yesterday they were getting close to that number. they will probably go past it.

again, some votes should be coming in tonight, some counties looks like they'll hold all their results until next week. probably not a very clear picture tonight. new york, another state, a number of house democrats in new york facing challenges in primaries today. this one at least on paper, eliot engel facing a challenge from jamal bowman. engle there's been a suggestion he may be in danger hooer some numbers tonight, not all. steve kornacki, thank you very much. chuck? thank you. yeah, i'm going to miss staying up until 3:00 in the morning waiting for results, but it looks like if you want to stay up, it will be weeks on end. this week the president claimed it would be that mail-in

votes could be used to cheat. that a number had voted by mail, including himself, the vice president, the attorney general, the white house press secretary. the list goes on and on. john ridge is cochair of votes -- good to see you, governor. it's been a while. >> good to see you. >> election security is part of the homeland security initiative as well. may-in balloting, explain, in your view how secure it is. >> we've been using mail-in balloting since the civil war. the heritage foundation, probably an organization i would suspect that the president is familiar with, took a look at the past 250 mail-in ballots, absentee ballots, 250 million, i repeat -- and there were 200

cases of individuals being prosecuted for improper use. so i think the assertion that somehow historically there's a precedent or going forward there's reason to believe there would be massive fraud because of the use of absentee ballots is what the president refers to as fake news. it is, there's no historical anticedent. you would be disenfranchising the people who voted in 2016 when you won the election. and in the swing states of pennsylvania, arizona and others, you have seen unprecedented use of absentee ballots. it's counterproductive and counter intuitive to reject -- to say that we shouldn't be focused on maximizing turnout and uses absentee ballots so people don't have to make a choice between their health and exercises their civic responsibility to vote. >> believe it or not, one of the

complaints i have heard about some of the absentee balloting comes from some on the left, who say that sometimes absentee ballot votes are more likely to be thrown out and not counted, and that mail-in balloting is more likely not to be counted. that is a concern that, whether it's how each state monitors this, or whether there's election watchers challenging signature, because in some states it's a signature match, is there a way to guarantee -- that's a fear that i have heard from plenty, i want a mail-in ballot, but i don't want it thrown away because they don't lieic my signature on a given day. >> first of all, you do have to trust the 8,000 to 10,000 men and women who give up two days a year for the primary and general election to make sure all votes are count. and my answer and possible antidote is, one, ensuring that the instructions sent out by

local officials are very clear. there have been instances where there's sometimes been contradictory instructions. and, two, i don't think we want to fundamentally change the process where they authenticate and legitimize the absentee ballot by doing the fact checks, doing the signature checks. so, again, that alarm they raise, it might be a modest concern, but i would say, chuck, most of that could be dealt with simply by more and better training. >> and with all of it, it's not just one way to expand voting. tom ridge, i know we had a few technical difficulties earlier, i would have had you sooner and longer, but glad to have you on. >> good to see you. thank you. katy, over to you. coming up next, we will go back to arizona where cases are

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right now, in arizona the president is holding ing ing a roundtable for touring a newly constructed border wall. back with us from yuma, jacob

soboroff. jacob, we're awaiting to see this tour here. what are you seeing on the ground? how effective does it look? >> reporter: chuck, the pictures of donald trump there at the border control station. sitting there with mark morgan and frishls the army corps of engineers, the one that we reported on last summer in july of 2019, where we had obtained what we called significant incident reports, allegations of abuse by children in border control custody. it's to remind everyone of the trump administration's other border policies. those allegations were very serious and the trump administration never answered for them. the office of inspector general hasn't told us what has happened

yet. but this border wall is only one piece of a much larger puzzle. very restrictive border policies that have quite frankly now most people on that side of the border. there's a huge overcrowding in the yuma border patrol station. it's virtually empty. something that he won't be talking about quite frankly when he's out here touting this wall later today. >> very quickly, jacob, how much of these restrictions they're saying it's the virus, but these were restriction they wanted to put in place but quietly have been able to enact in some cases because of the virus? >> reporter: you hit the nail on the head. this is what they wanted to do all along, during family separations, deport child migrant, turn them around and seasoned them back. they're able to do that now under the cover of coronavirus.

and that's something that they hadn't been able to do until the coronavirus hit. >> jacob soboroff in yuma for us. katy, quickly over to you. the coronavirus forced slowdown on naturalization ceremonies for new citizens as having an impact on the 2020 election. thousands of would-be citizens won't be able to take their oath in time to vote. u.s. citizenship and immigration services attempt to attack a ballooning backlog before the pandemic began. nbc news justice correspondent julia ainsley joins us with more. >> so katy, what's important to remember, it's not just the fact that these would-be citizens can't get together in the same room and take that monumental oath to become a u.s. citizen. the people who are processing

them are largely being furloughed. we understand from sources that usic, they're having to furlough many, many staff, thousands, because they're not getting the fees they would normally get from the forms that people submit to be processed, not just for citizenship but for green cards and visas 37 on the news we got yesterday that the trump administration is freezing new visas. that means less money for processing and less mon money ---less processing than for more citizens. it's the can chicken and egg thing. the trump administration furloughing the workers because they're not getting the funds but they're taking away the very thing that people would be applying for and paying for in order to make that happen. it goes back to jacob's point as well. it was a trump administration's policy goal from the beginning to lower the number of overall

immigrants, legal and illegal who come into this country, under the cover of covid, they're able to accomplish some of these goals had from the very beginning. before we knew the word "coronavirus." >> really interesting, julia, thank you for bringing us that reporting. we appreciate it. chuck, back to you. thank you katy, that's it for both of us today. thank you for tuning in. thank you for trusting us. brian williams picks things up after a quick break. g things you have been doing. you are transforming business models, and virtualizing workforces overnight. because so much of that relies on financing, we have committed two billion dollars to relieve the pressure on your business. as you adapt and transform, we're here with the people, financing, and technology, ready to help.

good day. brian williams here with you. 3:00 p.m. here in the east. 12 noon on the west coast. nicolle wallace, again, enjoying another well deserved day off. several key players in the administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic are facing questions from a house committee. please note these officials and the task force have been invisible during the recent

spike in cases. e presumably due to the president's sensitivity on the issue. cdc director robert redfield. dr. anthony fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert. te have been asked about everything ranging from testing to vaccine development to what we can expect to see later this year. but lawmakers wanted to know if the president meant what he said during saturday's rally in tulsa and asked them to reduce testing in order to reduce the number of new cases. here's what dr. anthony fauci had to say about that. >> to my knowledge, i know for sure -- to my knowledge, none of us have been told to slow down on testing, that just is a fact. in fact, we'll be doing more testing as you've heard from the admiral. not only testing to specifically

identify people but also much more surveillance to get your arms around and understand exactly with aes going on in community spread. >> but, again, we're only hearing from fauci, because they were called before congress. administration firms said that the president was joking when he made comments when slowing down testing. the president seemed to undercut his own defense when he spoke to reporters this morning. >> at the ally you asked your people to slow down testing, were you just kidding -- >> i don't kid. make it clear. we've got the greatest testing program anywhere in the world. we test better than anybody in the world. our tests are the best in the world. we have the most of them. by having more tests, we find more cases. but actually what it is, is we're finding people, many of

those people aren't sick or very little, maybe young people. but what's happened because of all of the cases that we find we have a very low mortality rate. just about the best in the world. >> just a reminder here the president's comments come as the virus has killed over 121,000 americans, sickened another 2.3 million that we know of and roughly half of all states have now seen a spike in infections in recent weeks. one of them is arizona. which announced that nearly 3600 cases were reported just yesterday. the highest daily total of new cases to date. as if in the midst of a tour of u.s. hotspots a short time ago the president arrived in arizona. not for anything related to coronavirus, but for a photo-op at the border wall and then to host a students for trump rally indoors at a megachurch in

phoenix. hundreds of people have liked up outside the church where that event will be held. plain to say, very few are following coronavirus guidelines. it comes as we learn more about how the coronavirus will impact the fall presidential campaign. the commission on presidential debates, remember them, said today the second presidential debate scheduled for october 15th has been moved from the university of michigan to miami. after the university of michigan concluded it was not feasible to hold the debate as planned. with us for our leadoff discussion, nbc news capitol hill correspondent and host of kasie dc, kacie hunt. welcome. first off, if memory serves, you're in fact a graduate of the

university of michigan, your reaction to this decision to show the better part of safety. >> i have done my work as a fan well, i actually went to george washington university, they don't have a football program. both of my parents attended university of michigan at ann arbor. >> okay, that's why. >> i'm honored that you would consider me to be among their alumni. >> as a follower of you on social media, i have seen your support for the wolverines over the years. that's why i got confused. >> of course, i'm very vocal about it. i will say, you know, if you look into, this is a question that these colleges are wrestling with and we have seen some lawmakers asking questions about this very issue to the public health officials over the course of this -- you know, the previous hearing on capitol hill because they really have to take

into account, they're struggling already to give the students that are there what they deserve for the tuition that they're paying and to allow everyone to operate safely and you know this is one of the major consequences of the reality that the pandemic is not currently under control. i mean, as this hearing has played out, brian, there was a story in "the new york times" about how the eu is considering not allowing americans to travel there and what's a pretty significant statement about how we're doing as compared to the rest of the world and, you know, these themes have been brought up with dr. fauci, with redfield and the others who are testifying in congress today, i think the good news we heard from fauci particularly about vaccines, not a question of if but when. he also was very careful to note that they have to get it right and that getting it right may take more time than any of us really want to begin to grapple

with and the president has clearly decided that he wants to try and put this pandemic behind him, there are all these ways he's tucking about how he wants to slow down. in tulsa, he said he wanted to slow down coronavirus testing, because testing just yields more cases. he's as you point out, holding indoor events in arizona today. he was trying to focus on immigration, but instead we're having this conversation about coronavirus. the reality is, the virus is getting in the way of his favorite way of campaigning, i mean, we know that only about 6200 people showed up to rally. likely, because people were simply afraid to be in an enclosed space in the middle of this pandemic. he's trying to create this reality that it doesn't exist, his supporters are not necessarily buying that. americans really are afraid. so the consequences of how he initially and continues to handle this pandemic are

rippling through all facets of american life and certainly into the political campaign and it tells me that isn't the last time that we'll see public health officials here on capitol hill having to answer some of these tough questions, brian. >> we have seem to have a public health expert as part of this conversation. mask wearing has truly become a political statement, or at least some are out there trying to paint it as such. if you just landed from another planet, you'd be allowed to believe that the president is indeed on a tour of hotspots in our country. first, tulsa. and now, phoenix, arizona, in the space of four days. and as taxpayers don't we deserve more than we're getting from the white house coronavirus task force, from nih, from cdc, why does the invitation have to

come from congress before we hear from a fauci following a weekend where the president insisted he slowed down testing? >> well, brian, i think these are very good questions to ask. why are we not hearing daily from the cdc? why are we not hearing daily from nih? any place in the federal government giving good guidelines, coming one a national strategy and really pushing forward to be able the defeat this virus? you know, this whole idea that we should be slowing down testing, whether he was joking, whether he was not joking, this goes right back to this issue of mixed messaging. we have to have clear messages and we're not getting it anywhere from any place in this government. everybody knows now the science is clear -- wear mask. it reduces spread of disease. what do we need? we need good testing in place. we've been saying this for

months. we need contact tracing. we need to have national strategy. this hasn't changed. my message hasn't changed in the last three months. in fact, it's just -- i'm going to tell you the same thing i told you months ago -- we're just going right back into where we started, which is cases spiking, unclear strategy, and this is the point where we really need to be doing better. kasie was talking about how europe may not bring americans back into europe. i don't think that's a bad decision at this point. we're doing terribly when it comes to controlling this virus. than other countries that we're looking at here. i think that's pretty good decision on their part. >> so, kasie hunt, i read you a tweet from our friends at the lincoln project who put this out yesterday. this week, every gop senator

should be force td to answer these questions -- do agree with the president in slowing down nationwide covid-19 testing? are you okay with the president's decision to suddenly fire berman? what are your thoughts on bolton's china/trump claims? kasie, you have made a cottage industry of making grown men with names like roberts and portman break eye contact, look down at their shoes, pretend to be late for meals, do you see any break in the big red wall, especially in the u.s. senate, and some would say, especially among men and women who know better and have sold all they have to donald trump? do you see any cracks in that wall in your questioning of these lawmakers as they hustled by you. >> brian, first of aural, i appreciate the lincoln project's

suggestions. i'm glad that they're watching the work of me and my other colleagues on the hill. we appreciate it. you know, i don't try and answer your question, this kind of routine and it has become a routine that i think, you know those of us who cover congress in a substantiative way, can also find frustrating, this is how things work in trump's washington the reality is, the congress isn't doing very much that's substantiative in the ways they perhaps have in the past and they of course i think are quite frustrated with us, this dynamic that all of the time they're being asked about the latest trump tweet, but the reality is, you know, they put themselves into this difficult situation, and they've done it so thoroughly it's almost impossible to get out of and i don't see a world where they're able to kind of escape that trap

they made themselves. they made their bed with president trump and now they have to stay there until november and i think that's part of why you're seeing so much additional anxiety about how this president is doing because it's more and more likely that republicans are going to lose the senate in the fall, brian. >> ann, why does it seem like covid-19 is following the sun through the south, the sun belt, and now out west? why does it seem like your state, california, had done so well and is now so firmly in public publicly under the gun? >> you know, the laws of how a virus spreads and in particular this virus, haven't changed, it has to do with how well we're doing it, social distancing, how well we're doing at wearing a mask, handwashing, all of these blunt public health measures, the states that have opened up

early, the states that haven't been able to really get people to do their best at staying as far apart as they can, really pushing guard with masks, yet we're starting to see the results of this. it shouldn't be surprising to anybody if you're not socially distancing, if you're not wearing a mask, if you're opening too soon, you're going to see a spike in cases. this isn't rocket science. this is just plain -- this is the way it works in terms of virus transmission. we need blunt public health measures. everybody's looking for a magical cure the vaccine that's going to save us, therapeutics that's going to save us, really, right now what's going to save us is good testing, tracing, isolation, social distancing and wearing masks, that's >> it looking at pictures from arizona, not a mask in sight.

we see one of those mist iin ii sheens in site. be that to as it may, our thanks to dr. ann rimoin out at ucla. and kasie hunt, alum of gwu. a break for us. when we come back from the national response to the pandemic to the soaring number of cases in texas, where the state's governor says the virus must be corralled but so far let's be fair, it's fully out of the barn and running wild in several big cities in that state. later, president trump desperate to turn the page on the pandemic, reechls back to his 2016 playbook. wayfair has way more ways to renovate your home, from inspiration to installation.

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we've been reporting on the surge in coronavirus cases in states across the south and the west. there have been new concerns just today over the accelerating rate of cases in the state of texas, here now the facts as we know them at this hour the number of cases and hospitalizations in the lone star state have broken records for almost two weeks running, here the steady rise of

coronavirus cases with hospitalizations, no breaking that trend line right now. the situation has become so dire that now the texas children's hospital in houston is admitting adult patients to free up beds in other hospitals. on monday, republican texas governor greg abbott revealed that the state was averaging over 3500 new cases a day, marking an explosive surge after averaging around 1500 per day back in may. as you may recall, texas was among the first states to reopen its economy, a decision that governor abbott previously defended and that his friend donald trump applauded. in late april, he even signed an executive order barring local governments to require residents to wear face masks in public, but now governor said he would consider rolling back some of those guidelines if the numbers continue to surge. here's some of what he said on monday. >> if we experienced another

doubling of those numbers over the next month, that would mean that we are in an urgent situation, where tougher actions would be require to contain the spread of covid-19. >> but even as the governor has appeared to change his tune on the severity of this crisis, he said shutting down the state again would be a last resort. we're joined from texas by dr. peter hotez, an infectious disease expert. serves as the director of the texas children's hospital center for vaccine development. first of all, doctor, in your own words as you look at it as a resident taxpayer and physician, how much trouble is texas in? >> i think we're in a lot of trouble, brian, unfortunately we're seeing a pretty steep acceleration in the number of cases here in houston and in

several other metropolitan areas, austin, dallas, fir instance, and the rise is not a gradual rise, it's not a linear rise, it's following an exponential curve, it's going flat and it's accelerating almost vertically and that's worrisome, it's not just the number of cases it's also the fact that we're seeing a big surge now on the hospitals of our texas medical center. you've been to houston, you know that massive texas medical center, 60 institutions and hundreds of thousands of employees. we're starting to see a surge in our icu beds as well. our ceo mark wallace took that very courageous step to open texas children's to bring in adult patients. we're in for a very serious time. i don't see what slows this down. we haven't done anything at a

macroscopic public health level, although we're going to have more mandates on masks. we'll have no choice to implement more aggressive measures and pretty soon i'm afraid. >> this being your life's work, can you believe you lived to see a day when the wearing of a mask in public was fraught with politics, partisan politics? >> yeah, the politicalization of this has been awful and it's been tough here in texas, we have a far-right fringe group that has been going up against me for a few years because i'm a vaccine scientist and the parent of an adult daughter with autism. they go after me with that. i have a new name now, the o.g. villain, i'm the original gangster villain for defending vaccines. but now those same groups are

now holding demonstrations against all the things we need to do -- the contact tracing, the detection, the surveillance, the social distancing and since we don't have a covid-19 vaccine and won't have one until next year at the earliest, so they're trying to take away the only weapons we have. so, we have to get serious. we have to recognize that this is a public health crisis and take some positive steps and i think that will happen. i expect some big changes before the end of the week, otherwise this will be an irreversible assent of cases and hospitalizations. >> and that's finally what i want to get your comment on is a vaccine, this mythical day when the vaccine arrives and then we start the process perhaps of c vaccinating 7 billion souls around the planet, those who

will allow themselves to have the dose, at least once a day now, probably because of the arrival of the warmer weather, and cities, quote, getting back, we'll go to a nascar race when there's vaccine. we'll go on vacation when there's a vaccine. are people mentally ready and equipped just how long a wait this may be and just how long, if we view lockdown as kind of a time-out, where we forced to learn new practices, how much longer are we going to have to implement those new practices? >> brian, what we'll have to do is navigate our way through this even with a vaccine, it's not going to be a magic solution. particularly some of the first vaccines that we're seeing coming out of operation warp

speed because of the technology they're using, partially protective, not completely protective. there will be improvements. we'll see a series of rollouts of vaccines. i think we'll see multiple vaccines. but history tells us when we looked at the history of for instance, the polio program, or the hpv program, that are first vaccines that roll out are not typically our best vaccines, they get improved on, when people talk about a race to vaccine, be careful what you wish for because those first vaccines have a built-in onless sent. they're not going to replace existing public health control measures, they'll be used as companion technologies. they won't replace social distancing, masks and contact

tracing, they'll be a useful technology and then things will improve. we need to get into a more stable culture of fighting this virus without having this kind of magical thinking that the president too often uses, you know, first, he said we're going to hydroxychloroquine our way out of it, now it's vaccines and it doesn't work that way. the vaccines will certainly help but they'll be companion con mremtry technologies. >> doctor, we always appreciate having some time to talk with you. dr. peter hotez with us from texas at this hour. thank you so very much. president trump on the ground at this hour in arizona visiting his second coronavirus hotspot in four days' time. the pandemic may be overshadowing what many consider one of the most heartbreaking policies of this administration the treatment of migrant children at the border with mexico, the truth is the pandemic is making it all the worse. the president at the border, so

is our own jacob soboroff. he'll join us after a break.

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