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immigration policies coming to life, marking some of the darkest moments in his presidency, at least early on, separating children from their parents, allegations of widespread abuse by customs and border patrol well before the pandemic, the first news reports detailed the shocking, inhumane treatment facing migrant children at the hands of u.s. border agents, migrants reporting cases of retaliation for protests, unsanitary living conditions and now we're taking a closer look at what this pandemic means for the thousands of migrants at our southern border and in light of the pandemic, this vulnerable population faces what has been called, quote, a life or death situation. at another migrant detention facility in arizona, one that saw an outbreak of almost 80 cases of covid-19, that's as we know of, an advocacy group told

nbc news, these particular migrants were forced to clean facilities. the detention center is operated by i.c.e. for i.c.e. by a for-profit company called core civic. this company disputed the claim that detainees were forced to work in the facility, company also said it has no current cases of covid-19 in the facility and that all positive cases are considered recovered. our own jacob somebodyoroff has done extensive reporting and he happens to be the author of the forthcoming book called "separated, inside an american tragedy." jacob, as we've discussed the tragedy here, our attention has been yanked elsewhere, it's a political season and there's a pandemic under way. but the obvious point is the

pandemic has made the situation you've been covering all that much more worse. >> reporter: far worse, brian, and the president when he comes to inperfect his new border wall later today is going to come face to face with workers i imagine. two of his workers on his new border wall tested positive for the coronavirus. the reason we're wearing masks out here in the middle of the arizona desert. it's hard to believe that it was a year ago, at the yuma border patrol situation those allegations emerged from children. that's exactly where president trump was earlier today as soon as he arrived here in a roundtable with other border officials. sure enough, when president trump was there, he returned to one of his tried and true statements, refrains a about the border. what we're seeing today is the fault of miss predecessor barack obama. >> one of the classics was, they

had a picture of a cage in "the new york times" and other places, a cage for children and they said, president trump built it and how horrible it was and they still talk about it even though they know it's not true and somebody wrote in, no, that cage was built in 2014 by president obama. they gave me an exact date, actually they gave me the date it was constructed, meaning a series of cages and i have never forgotten that. they still say that. they still take that same picture. that's where they get called the fake news. >> reporter: brian, president trump is referring to the mcallen border patrol processing station there in south texas. i was there. he was right, it was built during the obama administration, he's wrong as far as president obama wasn't responsible for the systemic separation of over 5,000 children under the trump administration.

i texted yesterday with one separated father who i have kept in close touch with and he told me if i get a chance to see president trumped today, i'll ask him why he separated families from children? >> jacob soboroff at the border wall in yuma, arizona, part of our coverage of the president's visit there today. jacob, thank you as always. when our coverage continues, it's pry marp election day in the state of kentucky. where live in-person voting places have been cut by 95%. a huge local story. we'll talk about. a highly anticipated fight to see which democrat will get to take on mitch mcconnell this fall. we'll see how that's working out after this. eligible for medicare.

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be over 3,000 polo cases down to about 200 today. one kentucky ledge lay or the calls it a recipe for disaster. mail-in voting will delay reporting for days. within jefferson county, where only one polling location is available for its roughly 610,000 registered voters. shaq, what are people alleging here, what's the story here that this was the better part of caution during a pandemic, that these location selections have been political tainted or that unlike the president's instructions, kentucky is fully em bratsing mail-in votes? >> reporter: well, you know, brian, the thing is, when people heard in this largest county in the state, jefferson county, they were going to be going from

256 voting locations to just 1, there was a concern you would see those long lines that you would see in states like georgia and wyoming. the truth is, you're not seeing that right now and that's not because of lower voter turnout, this is pretty much the afternoon rush we have been seeing, it's a steady flow of people, people have masks on, it's a constant flow of people we have been seeing here all day. what you're seeing in this state, most voters have already by mail. they've taken advantage of this agreement, between the democratic governor of this state and the republican secretary of state who have compromised and expanded this early voting, vote by mail and by person for the first time in the state of kentucky. people have been saying, what's been driving them to the polls the an interesting race to take on democrats and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. you have a former marine combat

pilot mcgrath going up against a state representative, that race has been closer than expected. listen to what voters told me about that race >> it was quick -- quick and easy. >> was that surprising to you at all? >> it was. i was so distanced i feel safe. even though i wore my mask, of course, i feel safe. >> i have been to a few protests, talked to a few people about charlie booker, i really like him. >> i feel like he would be the best person to get in and knock mitch out. >> reporter: just to show you how unusual this is, we won't get election results tonight. we're expecting to get results in about a week from now as you have that influx of mail-in ballots. brian. >> as i always say it's not easy to be steve kornacki on a night like tonight. also covering the primary in kentucky is daniel drozier, long

lines today, daniel, what are the stories of importance to you, what's your lead on the voting in kentucky at this hour? >> well, so the lines in fayette county have been rather long, we only have one polling place at kroger field, where the university of kentucky's football team plays. those lines have been long because fayette county clerk believins had a limited number of check-in spots, or check-in booths that he would put in the venue. the wait is about an hour and a half to, you know, it's in that range, throughout the day it's been this kind of steady -- at one point it was close to two hours, they added new check-in locations. . you know part of that is just high turnout, 38% of the voters in fayette county requested absentee ballots. .

so with a number of people coming in person, too, it looks like we're going to have a high turnout in fayette county. rather high for a primary election. >> let me ask you this, does mitch mcconnell have real worries going into november? >> you know, i think that mitch mcconnell -- i think i didn't hear your question fully. what did you say? >> what does mitch mcconnell have something to worry about going into november? >> trump's at top of the ticket, right, and this is tate that president donald trump won by 30 percentage points back in 2016, that obviously gives mitch mcconnell a huge advantage heading into november, you also have the fact that, you know, this is a steadily trending republican state, a democrat did win the race for governor in 2018, a lot of that had to do with who he was running against.

so it's really different kind of dynamic that's going on heading into november and it will be really interesting because you have two sort of different paths in amy mcgrath and charlie booker. mcgrath takes that moderate path, she can win by taking and flipping those suburban voters. charlie booker takes the progressive path, making the argument he'll bring more people into the fold that will challenge mcconnell. >> another great subplot the president telling us that mail-in ballots are full of corruption, people of kentucky saying not so much. daniel, thank you very much for spending some time with us on a busy day on your beat. as we watch the effects of the black lives matter protests on a race like that in kentucky there's a renewed presence by police today in lafayette square across from the white house, as you may know overnight police used pepper spray and shields as

they clashed with protesters just across from the white house after demonstrators tried to topple the statue of andrew jackson about an hour after president trump threatened arrests and prison time for monument vandals. . with us now is axios political reporter alexi mccammond. men and women across this country, all kinds of men and women have been in the streets of cities and towns, day and night, for over a month now, look at the impact it's having on political races, up in new york 31-year veteran of the house of representatives, elliott engell may not survive his primary today, it may affect the vote in kentucky, it's really having a systemic effect on american life. >> yeah, brian, you mentioned congressman engelle's race in new york, i spoke with his

challenger yesterday and i talked to him about kind of what it feels like to be him in this moment, it feels like running a black man for congress is not only a needed voice in this country but actually a desired voice in this country and he said that's exactly the type of energy that he's picking up from voters. while he said his entire campaign has been vowsed on economic and racial justice from the beginning he said that he's's certainly seeing a shift in people's willingness to not only buy into these conversations but he said he's seeing folks in his communities leading these conversations without him and i think that's good example of how this district and this race is really being effected by this moment. you were talking about the kentucky senate race. brian, there are five black men who are running as democrats all in southern states for the u.s. senate this cycle which is particularly striking when we remember when there have only been ten u.s. black senate

members in our country. >> mcgrath has been almost permanent candidate in that race, she first came to the public a long time ago and the timing we've been talking about, everything changes in the past 30 days. >> yeah, and what's so fascinating about this, amy mcgrath, kind of stellar candidates for democrats in the 2018 midterms, people expected they would win their race handily especially because that election as you remember was one in which female candidates and voters alike held the most political power in that election cycle. now sewe're seeing how that's st of shifting, not only who's running but who's uniquely qualified to meet this moment.

it's shifting from women who are shifting away from donald trump to block fol-- black folks are running. >> one last question about donald trump, he more or less ad-lib his rally in tulsa, every indication it will happen today in arizona, is that going to be his thing in in lieu of an election strategy without an economy to run on? >> yeah, i mean, we know that president trump wanted to run on a good and strong economy, we still see how he brings that narrative into the message whether that's something he's talking about with george floyd or something with the economy and unemployment numbers, he's trying to interject that message, we know that president trump has feelings outside of the economy and when he gets into these rallies, he really becomes himself and some things he said the other night is

getting himself into trouble, in particular, he ordered the slowing of testing. i think tonight we're going to see the president reacting probably maybe a little bit mor rally wasn't exactly what he wanted in tulsa. and if it turns out to be the same in arizona, he's probably going to be not very happy tonight. >> alexia mccannon from axios, always a pleasure to be able to talk to you. thank you for joining us this afternoon. another break for our coverage. when we come back, the mourners gathering in atlanta for the funeral of rayshard brooks. we're back with more after this.

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this afternoon in atlanta, family and friends gathered to pay their final respects to rayshard brooks at the historic ebenezer baptist church. reverend bernice king spoke to the mourners at the very church

where her father, reverend dr. martin luther king jr. once served as pastor. rayshard brooks was shot and killed over a week ago by atlanta police after he fell asleep in his car at the drive-through at wendy's. the two officers involved are facing criminal charges. nbc news correspondent rehema ellis is with us outside the ebenezer baptist church in atlanta. good afternoon. >> good afternoon, brian. the service ended just a short while ago. and it was a rousing service that reminded people that this 27-year-old man was a father who loved and had people who loved him. he was not just a number or just another casualty it was said in the service. but he was someone who had a life, and a life that should have been cherished. bernice king, the daughter of dr. martin luther king said we shouldn't be here today.

this did not have to happen to rayshard. and she spoke to him and his family, his children, a father of four. she reminded them that she understood the grief that they're experiencing. just listen. >> my heart deeply grieves for dream and memory, blessing. i know the pain of growing up without a father and the ongoing attention around his tragic loss. >> it was also pointed out that it was ironic this has happened in the city of atlanta that labels itself as a city too busy to hate and a city that's the citadel of the civil rights movement. and the reverend who gave the eulogy said there were those talking about whether or not the case of rayshard brooks and george floyd of different. rayshard ran and floyd complied.

he said it doesn't matter if you run or you comply. the thing that's the same is the color of their skin and they both died. he encouraged people to continue to march as they protest and demonstrations. at the end, the ultimate thing they have to do is to vote. brian? >> rehema ellis at a place that is hallow ground in the civil rights struggle, ebenezer baptist in atlanta. our thanks for your live report. our thanks to our audience as well for spending this hour with us. i'll be back with you tonight, 11:00 eastern time for the tuesday edition of "the 11th hour." "deadline: white house" begins after this at the top of the hour. with the freestyle libre 14 day system, a continuous glucose monitor, you don't have to. with a painless, one-second scan you can check your glucose with a smart phone or reader so you can stay in the moment. no matter where you are or what you're doing. ask your doctor for a prescription for the freestyle

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♪ aloha and namaste. it's 4:00 in the east. i'm john heilemann in again for nicolle wallace. in a moment, some of trump's own supporters may be weighing his political agenda against the risk to their own lives. trump arriving in arizona at a new peak of its coronavirus outbreak despite this warning from the mayor of phoenix where trump will be speaking tonight at the dream city church that this event, quote, does not abide by current cdc guidelines during covid-19. the mayor adding this as well. while i do not believe an event of this magnitude can be held safely, particularly as arizona

sees rising covid cases, the president has decided to continue with his rally. everyone attending tuesday's event, particularly any elected official, should set an example to residents by wearing a mask. this includes the president. but, of course, the president is not wearing a mask today just like he did not wear one this weekend in oklahoma which also has cases on the rise and hasn't worn one in any televised event since coronavirus first burst onto the scene months ago. his most loyal supporters are maskless today, too, standing shoulder to shoulder for hours at that church. a scene that's likely of grave concern to trump's top public health experts who today testified before the house about the, quote, troublesome and even, quote, disturbing spike in cases across the south and west of the united states including arizona. here is dr. anthony fauci. >> in other areas of the country, we're now seeing a

disturbing surge of infections that looks like it's a combination. but one of the things is an increase in community spread. and that's something that i'm really quite concerned about. the next couple of weeks are going to be critical in our ability to address those surges we're seeing in florida, in texas, in arizona and in other states. you should not congregate in crowds. you should keep distance. and even though many people, for a variety of reasons, do not listen to the -- not suggestion, but plea to not congregate in crowds, some people are going to do that anyway. if you do, please wear a mask. and as you wear a mask and you're in a situation where you're getting animated in a demonstration or in a rally or wherever you are, avoid as best as possible the urge to pull your mask down and shout.

>> so today, the bet that trump is making with his maskless, non-socially distant trip to arizona is that his supporters will continue to care about his political agenda and the culture war he's staked out around all things coronavirus. more than the wealhealth risk n barreling toward their communities. there are signs of cracks in the support for his coronavirus agenda from loyal republican governors who until now have stuck with trump's threat to downplay the threat. governor abbott warning the virus in his state is spreading at an unacceptable rate and warning of more restrictions if cases continue to rise. and as trump tries to dismiss any surges, as merely a result of increased testing, even florida governor ron desantis can't keep up that charade. all of it raising questions around whether trump's political calculations on coronavirus may backfire now that the coronavirus has come to the bright red states. joining us now from "the washington post," the one and

only white house bureau chief phil rucker. also the one and only former communications director in the obama white house and hillary clinton's presidential campaign, jen palmieri and former obama health policy director, dr. kavita patel. phil, i'm going to start with you, because this is a political show and the president is engaged in some politics here. i ask you, as he rolls into arizona today, has he learned nothing from what happened in tulsa? >> you know, john, the lesson from tulsa was going to be not to do rallies in the middle of a pandemic, then the answer to whether he learned anything is no. however, it's worth noting the rally he's doing in phoenix is going to be at a much smaller scale than what we've envisioned and what was planned for in tulsa. they were expecting about 3,000 people at that church that's not an arena with 19,000 seats as we saw in tulsa, oklahoma.

to date, the trump campaign has not announced any additional mega rallies. so they may be trying to scale that back. some of our reporting at the post and elsewhere the last few days indicates there's some consideration within trump's circle to doing more outdoor events at airport hangars or tarmacs, for example, as opposed to those big indoor rallies because they were not able to fill the seats in that, rina and it's so dangerous for the spread of the virus to be indoors. >> dr. patel, as you look at the video we just put up and the video from tulsa, too, there's a lot of discussion and a lot of risk around the question of whether these events the president is holding, whether it's an attempt to get 19,000 people to show up in one arein aonly getting 6,000 today. all of them to the public health experts they say that's a superspreader event waiting to happen. what's your reaction to what we're seeing in the coverage so far? >> that's absolutely right,

john. by definition, by the cdc's own definition, this is the highest risk event to have it crowded, lack of the ability to do physical distancing, having very few or uneven mask wearing. and a bigger problem on top of that, john, is phoenix, arizona, we've had, you know, msnbc reporting on this. there's a lack of access to testing. so you've got people coming from different places. going back to different places. when we don't even have some of the basic testing and tracing and isolation tenets in operation in that very city. >> i'll stick with you, dr. patel, about this one thing. i'm sitting here in new york city where the city went through hell, obviously, in the months of march and april. and now as we start to reopen slightly here, the numbers keep going down. the red states which had been largely spared from this are now starting to experience it and we see the national trends.

talk a little about what the state of coronavirus in red america is right now. >> yeah, what we're seeing in many of the red states, one of which i'm from, texas, we're seeing basically the kind of peaks that we have already seen in d.c. and in new york and parts of the west coast. we're seeing these red states peaking now. and at the same time, john, i think what is not being appreciated, and you're watching it in florida, for example, people have been reactionary. we've done a pretty good job with nursing homes and elderly populations, but we didn't put enough attention on these larger group settings, restaurants and bars. you're seeing these cases increasing. a number of factors leading to younger people with positive results. and those people, as dr. fauci testified today, are at risk of spreading that virus even further. so unfortunately, instead of flaenting the overall national curve you're seeing it plateauing it and you're seeing a us not even talking about a

second wave. we're still in the thick of the first wave. >> palmieri, let me read something to you. there was a little reporting in axios this morning that was interesting. they're doing this work with ipsos on some polling about public opinions and sentiment in various places as it relates to where things stand with the coronavirus in respective states. people in mostly red states where coronavirus cases have been rising the fastest are developing a heightened sense of risk and taking steps to dial back their exposurexposure. tell me what the -- if that's right. it's rational. you've lived in a state that didn't have this problem. now you have this problem. you are reacting like any rational person trying to take care of themselves and their family. what are the political ramifications of that from your point of view? >> it results in, as we've seen, you talked about desantis in florida. it results in republican office holders backing away from trump,

and trump doubling down on deny ing -- on could cause real divisions within the republican party. you know, these governors are deciding that their own state's health is more important than breaking with trump. and we've seen these governors, you know, accept a lot of bad behavior from trump. but this is human lives on the line. the cynical way to look at it, it's our reputation at stake that's experiencing a lot of trouble. but does that cause a serious erosion, not with the kind of trump supporters we think are weak, right, that might go biden's way, but does that cause erosion with trump's base by -- or these officials having to distance themselves from him in ways we've never seen them do before. >> rucker, pick it up on that

point. donald trump has -- we've all talked about this for years. he is a political genius in a way and certainly knows his base. it was from his point view of, purely political in the early months of this virus where the blue states were getting hit. new york, california, washington state. and red america largely untouched. for trump to launch a culture war was not only obvious but somewhat expected. now the picture is getting more complicated and trump's mind is not subtle when it comes to these things. i ask you whether there's already some -- whether people in the white house are starting to have any sense of concern that they have gone all in on this notion the people who want to wear masks are lilly livered liberals and real men and real women of the red states don't wear masks. now as these states are getting hit hard is there any reconsideration of the political calculus that they have been operating under for these past

weeks? >> john, there are certainly some concerns among the coronavirus task force members. members of the task force all wore masks during their testimony, and there are a few other scattered members of the west wing team that wear masks with some regularity. but almost all of the president's political aides and the senior most member of his administration do not wear masks, and they proudly refuse to wear masks. they don't think it's necessary. they claim that because they get tested so regularly at the white house by the abbott machines that it's not a necessary precaution for them to take. but it's become so political as you and everyone else have been talking about here. and the problem is this virus doesn't determine whether you are a trump supporter or a democrat. the virus affects whoever it can reach and it's reaching a whole lot of trump supporters in a whole lot of red states right

now. it's a very different reality for the president and his team than even a few weeks ago. >> you mentioned the task force members who testified today. i want to stick with that. as we know, donald trump said one thing in addition to all the calamity, the comprehensive calamity that was the tulsa rally in terms of optics, in terms of politics. he said one thing that was news or looked like news when he said that this thing about how he ordered or said he wanted to see testing slowed down. his people around him have been saying for dairys he was just joking. he was asked about this and gave a different answer. >> were you just kidding or do you have a plan to slow down testing? >> i don't kid. let me make it clear. we have got the greatest testing program anywhere in the world. we test better than anybody in the world. our tests are the best in the world, and we have the most of them.

by having more tests, we find more cases. >> i as a member of the task force and my colleagues on the task force, to a knowledge, i know for sure, but none of us have ever been told to slow down on testing. that just is a fact. in fact, we will be doing more testing. >> so, rucker, explain this to me. i'm going to ask dr. patel about what the experts said today in that hearing, but this is right now, a thing i'm trying to understand. donald trump is given -- obviously, who knows what he really meant but everyone around him has been out with the same story for days these last couple of days. he's kidding, he's kidding. so what causes trump to double down on the irresponsible position that he actually gave this order when, in fact, according to the people who testified today, he never gave such order. i'm trying to understand what's going on in that inexplicable head of his? >> john it is very confusing situation. i will point out, however, that

it's not the first time we've seen the president's spokespeople and staff try to do cleanup by saying that he was joking or kidding or wasn't being serious and then the president will come out and correct them and say, no, i was not joking. i was being serious. sean spicer learned that lesson and now kayleigh mcenany has learned that lesson. the president doesn't joke around and if you're going to clean up for him, you better get on the same page as him. >> we heard a clear, consistent answer here from the public health experts who testified today. and it's obviously -- phil makes the point that trump often corrects his aides who try to speak for him. now we've also got in testimony the notion that all of these public health experts contradicting trump's new position on this which is that he really did order it. i still can't make sense of it, but tell us what your reaction was to what you heard from those experts today. obviously we care in some sense more about what they have to say

on the question of coronavirus than what comes out of the president's mouth. >> yeah, unfortunately what comes out of the president's mouth is just malpractice and irresponsible and you heard from four public health people and a number of other health individuals that are in the president's immediate vicinity basically all saying the same thing. you should avoid -- in fact, fauci said you should avoid crowded situations like public rallies. they've not been asked to slow down testing. if anything, we're going to need to increase testing, almost doubling our testing capacity as of today which is at about 500,000 tests a day. and so -- and number three, a lot of time spent on the promise of a vaccine that until we have a vaccine, and you heard the president say we'll have a vaccine before the end of the year. you heard officials today really say, i will really bet that it will be next year, which is consistent with what most of the industry is saying as well. so i think you're hearing not

only different messages but perhaps more importantly, you're hearing unfortunately the president crowding out science and facts. i don't know how many americans are tuning into an energy and commerce committee hearing but you've got the president using his microphone irresponsibly crowding out the solid messages from actual officials. >> i will say, i think a lot of americans like to hear from anthony fauci. so probably some of them are going to hear what he has to say and listen to him because that's a guy who has an approval rating in the 70s. jennifer, dr. patel did not say what i was thinking when she said what comes out of donald trump's mouth. i was going to say gibberish which is mostly the case. what we -- what comes out of joe biden's mouth is something very different in terms of consistency on this question and in terms of the message. talk a little bit -- we show a little bit here of joe biden wearing his mask on memorial day. there he is. with his wife, dr. jill. this was served as a source of

mockery by the president and people around the president. yet he's been very consistent, as i said. so talk about the politics of this from the democratic side and whether joe biden is benefiting the more gibberish that comes out of donald trump's mouth and the more people in the red states start to worry about their public health. whether a guy like joe biden, in that mask, is starting to look like a beacon of sensibility to a wide swath of american voters. >> he's starting to look like a leader who leads by example, which is what a lot of americans want in a president. and if you look at the trajectory in how biden is doing in the polls in the last three months since coronavirus and the pandemic and everything was shut down on the campaign side, he's been rising and -- not spiked. they're not bounces. they are sustainable. so it's been a steady growth. i think that if biden wasn't as well known as he is, he could have a problem because you don't

hear from them as much as you normally would hear from democratic nominee at this point in the process. but we do all know him. he's done enough to show, here's what i would do to take care of the coronavirus. he would have a responsible plan for doing so. he's doing throughout the next month, i know, doing a lot of -- rolling out different economic plans. now what we're in this moment, how do we get out of it. he's not dominating the news, but he's out there enough to show what an alternative he is. and the mask shows you how you get through this. and that's what we're going to find in red state america that i think you're going to see more of that. i know in some states you have, already. and for him to live through tulsa and then decide the answer is to go to arizona which is one of the worst fights in the country, shows you as always when he gets backed into a corner, he will never -- he

won't ever back down. i'm mixing metaphors. but he just doubles down and insists on staying on his -- some of the photos from arizona, already, putting a lot of people's health at risk, too. >> i'll say to my friends in the pundit class who months ago have said well joe biden is in that basement and donald trump has the air waves to himself. we look up three months later and joe biden's political position has gotten stronger and donald trump's weaker. turns out just having the stage isn't necessarily a good thing especially if you are committing political malpractice as has been president trump's mode. rucker, palmieri, pate lrks thank you for starting us off today. when we come back, jitters in jacksonville. could trump be headed for another tulsa at the republican convention? a new poll suggests quite possibly. and trump again lashing out

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north carolina's democratic governor refused to give donald trump the republican national convention that he wanted in charlotte. so the president decided to look elsewhere. convention is now taking place in a city with a republican mayor, a state with a republican governor. that would be jacksonville, florida. trump wanted a location that would not abide by social distancing guidelines and allow

him to have a packed arena. it seems jacksonville residents may not be as psyched to see him as he hoped. brand-new polling commissioned by the group republican voters against trump finds by a ten-point margin, 49 to 39, residents of duval county, where jacksonville is, do not want the convention there. the survey found 61% are concerned that the convention might create a new coronavirus outbreak. joining our conversation, former bush, romney and mccain political adviser, msnbc political analyst and co-founder of that group, republican voters against trump, mike murphy. good to see you. i like your hacks on tap poster there. advertise for the podcast while you're here. you, of course, know florida. being a jeb bush guy, this is a state you know well. tell us about duval county and what it means. what that means to you that so many residents don't want this convention. >> yeah, there's a real message

in the data. at the end of last week, we had a good polling firm go out and talk to 600 voters in duval. duval is jacksonville. the city and the county are almost exactly the same thing. it's about a million people. it's a county that republicans have not lost in a presidential race since jimmy carter. now it's gotten tighter. romney won by three points. trump only by a point and a half but it is a lean republican world. we thought it would be interesting to see what they thought about this gunpoint convention during a pandemic coming there. as you can see from the data, by ten points they're against it. and we even did a little push question where we said, wait a minute. governor desantis is for it. mayor curry is for it. versus covid risk and that trouble. and the numbers got worse. it went to 13 points against. even republicans -- in a republican-leaning county, 40% of them say that they agree the

convention could cause a covid outbreak. and even 30%, 1 out of 3 said don't bring the republican convention here. that's republicans talking. finally, we couldn't resist a ballot test. but this must-win, big, important florida swing county, donald trump is behind joe biden in our data by eight points. so between this and the venezuela thing he just did, siding with the dictator. there's a vocal community in south florida, venezuelans who hate the dictator maduro in their country. it's like trump is trying to lose the state that could end it all for him. put it in the trump book under weird behavior. >> i want to focus on the ballot question. as you pointed out, i'll say it again. this is a county, duval county, that republicans have won for the last 30 years consistently and that trump beat clinton by a point and a half. you have biden up by eight right now. it's early. but, you know, again, talk to us

about what -- about how worried the trump people should be right now about if you think about the core six battleground states. michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, north carolina, florida. the trump people have been most confident of those six states about florida throughout. president's second home, et cetera, but he's getting creamed right now in duval. >> yeah, no, look this is a 200-pound canary just fell with a big thud at republican headquarters. even if he loses duval by 5 or 4, it's big trouble for him. it's interesting. he did worse than romney in duval but made it in the state by superperforming in a couple of counts. but that superperformance isn't guaranteed. it's also the bellwether state for the fact that republicans normally carry older voters over 60. mitt romney is the president of anybody with a tennis ball and a walker. but biden is doing very well

with older voters. so florida, which is -- i don't care if wisconsin snaps back or somehow he saves michigan. put aside the trouble in arizona which would be a big win for the democrats. florida will break his political neck. so it ought to be priority one, and there's no doubt the state is in play now in a big way. no trump fortress left. it's a battleground. >> i want to talk about optics with you in the most -- i don't want to use the word naked around trump because it conjures images not good for any time. but in the most naked way. trump's image. there's a piece of reporting in "the washington post" from this piece. trump increasingly preoccupied with preserving his physical and mental health. early june meeting in the cabinet room intended to update president trump's re-election campaign but the president had other topics in mind. he took a cognitive screening test as part of his 2018 physical and more than two years later he brought up the ten-minute exam. he waxed on about how he dazzled

the proctsors with his stellar performance. the seeming none seckwu itur was part of trump's growing preoccupation or perceptions. we saw him spend more than ten minutes trying to explain away his walk down the ramp at west point, talking about the water glass. it seems like he's truly obsessed with this question of what people think about whether he looks strong and whether he has it together. talk about what that means in terms of his psychic vulnerability as he increasingly doesn't look strong or like he has it together. >> right, no, it's totally right. it's a huge tell. i've been in the campaign business for 30 years. most candidates have a button and they keep it well hidden. trump has a big red button on his forehead. if you call him weak, he massively overreacts, physically weak, any kind of non-tough guy thing because he's created this

phony tough guy image. when you push that button as the ramp attention did, he goes crazy trying to overcompensate. that's a huge opportunity for the biden guys and other surrogates to rattle him on that because then you get what you saw in tulsa, which is 18 minutes of, i do 100 push-ups right here but we all know i can. it's crazy, but it's definitely right in the middle of his kind of brain. this whole weakness/strength thing. the guilty dog barks the loudest. so call him weak and see what happens. he proves he is. >> if i call him weak, he overreacts. what if i call him fat elvis? >> well, i'm for needy donald. weak, needy donald i think is the sleepy joe equivalent. but i think we're going to see more groups, including ours, trying to push that button. >> you stick with that. i'm going to stick with fat elvis. mike murphy, thank you for

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call them whatever you want. some people don't like that language, but that's what they are. they're bad people. they don't love our country. and they're not taking down our monuments. i just want to make that clear. i will have an executive order very shortly. and all it's really going to do is reinforce what's already there. but in a more uniform way. >> joining us now, msnbc legal analyst who worked with the sdny civil division, maya wiley and eugene robinson. great to have you both here. maya, not the first time the president has threatened protesters or taken action against protesters or referred to protesters in incendiary language calling them hoodlums. what do you make of what we just heard? >> maya, are you not hearing me? eugene, hopefully you heard that question. what do you make about what we just heard? >> well, it sounds to me like

president trump playing to his base, trying to adopt the law and order position. not so much the way richard nixon ran his campaign in 1968 but the way george wallace ran his to go to sort of that extreme. they're all hoodlums. no sort of attempt to reckon with the history that some of these statues, particularly the confederate monuments glorify. no attempt to understand why people are still in the streets after george floyd's death. none of that. just, you know, flat out trying to throw red meat to the base and see if this is something that catches on. and he's out there looking for a spark. he's looking for something to

catch fire. he hasn't found it yet. certainly didn't find it at tulsa. he's hoping this tough-guy approach is going to help him politically. maya, i think we've got you now. the president pointed when he made those comments, he pointed to the veterans memorial recognition act, not one i've ever heard of before, but talk about the consistent pattern that trump's reaction this morning to this protest, and this attempt to thome statue. what does that consistent reaction toward the larger issues at play? >> what donald trump has made clear, john, is that the red meat for his campaign is stoking racism. and doing it at the expense of what has become a much more positive discussion in this country about what we do about hate. and that's something we should be encouraging and celebrating

as we see three-quarters of the country without regard to party or race saying we have to grapple with our history of racism. listen to how donald trump talks about it. they. they are trying to take down our monuments. and that is such a striking way to pose this when we're talking about andrew -- we're literally talking about confederates. we're talking about robert e. lee. we're talking about literally a time when the country was fighting about who it is and whether it stands up to its creed of equality. he did this in tulsa. he talked specifically in tulsa about how everyone there was lucky that he was their president because he was going to preserve their heritage. it wasn't our heritage. it wasn't a call for us to think about all of the tremendous leaders we've had over the course of our history in this

country that have elevated our ability to become a more perfect union. instead, he has seeked to get votes based on dividing, creating fear and othering us. >> eugene, you columnized about this. i want to read a little bit of your own prose back to you. you wrote there's no earthly reason this nation to be defiled by confederate statues. there's no reason that any of the nation's public spaces should be defiled by statuary honoring general soldiers and politicians who were traitors who took up arms against their country, who did so to perpetuate slavery and who -- and this is an important point -- were losers. and i think you mean that in more than one way when you called them losers. talk about why that's an important point in this context we're discussing. >> well, it's important in the historical sense because they lost the civil war. and these monuments are an attempt to -- these monuments

were generally erected around the turn of the 20th century, decades after the civil war. they were erected at a time when the south was -- had strangled reconstruction in its crib and was imposing jim crow repression. and so this was -- these monuments, you know, taking down confederate monuments is not destroying history. it's actually presenting the real history because the monuments themselves were an attempt to distort history and to tell a false story about the civil war and about how it ended. and actually even to the point of about one. and the south lost. and i guess the other meaning of it, of course, is donald trump is associating himself with the losers in this historical episode. >> maya, i want to ask you this.

it stuck out when i read eugene's piece. the fact he refers to these confederates as traitors. he says, generals, soldiers and politicians who were traitors. it struck me they were traitors. that's what the confederacy was, attempt to secede from the union. and then you have donald trump who has called a lot of other people traitors, including just now in the last 24 hours, he's called president obama a traitor. his predecessor, his immediate predecessor who it won't escape either one of your notice is african-american. so just give me a little bit on this how incredibly interesting it is that donald trump sees confederate generals and politicians as statues. we need to keep those statues up and president obama is the one in his mind who is a traitor. >> you know, donald trump keeps running against barack obama. and, you know, it's all about

race, and he's using obama as a race cue. and to eugene's point, in his really important piece, this is fundamentally about how are we as a country coming together as we become more demographically diverse. so he's playing on the fears of people who are white about belonging in the united states as the demographics of the country change, as more people of color, including people who are black, start to be seen in positions of power, start to gain positions of power, still struggle for positions of power. and all he can do is play to our bassist elements. and this is a presidency that not only did he stoke hate during the campaign and violence and stereotyping, he's continued to do it into his administration and those who track hate have

also tracked the increase in hate crime since this presidency took the -- took the white house. so, frankly, this is really just a base, an un-american way of talking about race. when the country as a whole, including republicans, 6 out of 10, are saying, let's grapple with this. let's deal with it. >> maya wiley, eugene robinson. great column, eugene. both of you, thank you for spending this time with us. good to see you. after the break, an inspiring show of soillidarity talladega superspeedway. we miss you.

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of all the major sports in america, it's the one where you're most likely to see a confederate flag. it's not seen as a racially mixed either in terms of the athletes or the fans. and yet we saw not just that show of support among the fellow drivers and others, but richard petty who owns the car that bubba wallace drives. one of the most famous people in the history of the sport and a classic good ol' boy showing up to support wallace yesterday. reflect about the moment here whether we make too much of these things or whether this -- you find this as instructive and as moving as i do. >> well, i think both of those things can be true at the same time. i grew up watching richard petty. my great-grandfather loved nascar racing. we either watched nwa wrestling or nascar. i grew up watching richard

petty. this is a powerful moment but we can't make too much of it. as we try to push and redefine who we are as a nation, we'll be moving into those spaces that are markers of whiteness, markers are white identity. in those spaces we'll have, shall we say, not only rough responses, crude responses. we might even have violent responses. the fact we have a noose in a garage in bubba wallace's garage, that's just one indication there's going to be a pushback. but as we challenge these old views of who we take ourselves to be, we're going to be moving into these spaces. country music. nascar. the south generally. and there we're going to have to confront our ugliness directly. it's not going to be easy. but we're going to have to do it. >> eddie, one of the things that happened i found just as striking in some ways in the other direction was the reaction among some conservatives to the

bubba wallace story. there was, i guess, inevitably, you have people like dines dinesh souza who came out and said they think this is all made up. that the news -- we we didn't s the noose and pictures of the noose and the picture -- basically questioning the legitimacy of the story, claiming somehow this is a jesse smollett thing and cast doubt on this seeing six black people who have been found hanging from trees around the united states in the last couple of weeks. california, georgia, new york, oregon, texas and a lot of them unexplained, investigations ongoing, some claims of suicide that have been cast doubt upon and seeing six african-americans hanging from trees you have a conservative reaction to bubba wallace saying this is fabricated, fantasy. tell me a little bit about what

you think about that and whether at the same way i found the solidarity removing and the reaction infuriating and partly because it's kind of inevitable that's the world we live in. >> right. you know, john, it is infuriating and very familiar. jimmy baldwin, the lat american writer and critic said a difficult and frustrating experience of being black or aspect in this country is that we're constantly having to convince white america that what is happening to us is real. and one can just simply substitute conservative america. we have to convince a certain segment segment of the population that the hell we catch is real and the reason to do that is because we have to confront this world of make believe, this willful ignorance, this innocence that so much of the country inhabits and the reason why we inhabit that bubble of innocence, john, is because we don't want to

confront what these events might say about us. if we admit that what's happening in the country is real we have to confront what we have done to allow it to happen. so this is a part of that american ritual, that american theater of race. something ugly and barbaric and cruel happens. we deny it to protect our innocence and then we move forward. this is what we have done for -- since our founding and here we are in this inflection point and we have to imagine ourselves other. >> there was no one to hear from more about this topic than you and you delivered as always. thank you, my friend. after the break, finishing off the program, we'll be honoring some lives well lived.

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the kids said that that trip changed his life and came back a different person, devoted to chair itible work. his career, 37 years at boeing, he and his colleagues worked with nasa on the lunar orbiter project in the 1960s and perhaps the greatest legacy is his family left behind. his son said he was a very well loved man. our coverage continues with chuck todd right after this quick break. how about no

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