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us off the air tonight. that is our broadcast for this tuesday evening. on behalf of all my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night. ♪ a new warning from dr. anthony fauci, he and other doctors appeared before lawmakers to dress the surging number of coronavirus cases here in the united states. dr. fauci also broke with the president, calling for more testing, not less. also a breakdown of primary races including one in north carolina where a 24-year-old defeated the republican candidate endorsed by the president. and a fight over police reform. senate democrats will oppose a bill to defeat guidelines setting up stalemate in
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congress. good morning, everybody. it is wednesday, june 24th. and i'm yasmin vossoughian. we've got a lot to cover this morning. we're going to begin with some of those notable election results from primary races held across the country yesterday. 24-year-old motivational speaker madison cohorn defeated linda bennett. bennett was endorsed by both the president and white house chief of staff mark meadows. in the race to fill meadows' former congressional seat. she will face mo davis in november. nbc news projects that kentucky's u.s. senate democratic race between amy mcgrath and charles booker is too close to call. mcgrath leads by over 2,000 votes. and in november.
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and in new york, two democratic incumbent seats could be in jeopardy. in the state's 12th democratic primary incumbent carolyn maloney is leading and longtime eliot engel over jamelbowman. michael adams projects the total turnout for tuesday's primary would exceed 1 million, including 800,000 mail-in ballots. that final figure would shatter the state's record over primary voters in 2008. "the washington post" is reporting that. so the uptick that reveals an overwhelming shift to absentee voting in the blue grass state,
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despite president trump railing against mail-in voting. meanwhile cancellations forced officials to staff more than 0 00 polling elections, rather than 3700. voters still waiting to cast their ballots at the time when polls closed at 6:00 p.m. and hundreds were able to file into a kentucky football field. in louisville, the judge ordered the sole polling place at the exhibition center to reopen its doors after a large group banged on the doors to keep them out. when polls closed there at 6:00. also senate democrats intent to block a vote on police reform calling it, quote, irrevoke cabably
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flawed. a procedural vote which would include six or seven senators including a democrat which would have been a tough ask. they are skeptical of mcconnell's intentions. senator cory booker of new jersey who will be a guest on "morning joe" later today said that mcconnell is setting himself up for failure so he can check a political box. meanwhile republicans threw their support, calling a great bill for people of color and police and hope to sign into law asap. and house speaker nancy pelosi dismissed compromising with republicans on the current police reform bill. >> for something to happen, they're going to have to face the reality of police brutality. the reality of the need for policing and the recognition that there are many, many good
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people in law enforcement, but not all, and we have to address those concerns. so when they admit that and have some suggestions it that are worthy of consideration, but so far, they were trying to get away with murder, actually, the murder of george floyd. >> all right. joining me now political reporter for the mill, julia manchester. julia, good morning to you. great to see you. thanks for getting up for us. it seems we're at a standstill, yet again, the question what is going to happen with the police reform bill going forward. i mentioned yesterday, i continue to mention this, but one of the major sticking points, i believe, for democrats is they don't necessarily ban choke holds in this police reform bill. basically saying if the officer's life is under threat they could use a choke hold.
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there's other points in this bill. we're seeing changes in the local level, but not on the federal level. >> right. and that's the question we're all asking, i think it's important to look at the backdrop we're in, the backdrop of 2020, the fact that we're five months away from a general election. i think you have the republicans and the democrats very beholden to their base on this issue. last week, i wrote about how the issue on the left, in terms of police brutality and racial injustice is going to galvanize a lot of voters on the left. so i think congress and democrats in congress, are really trying to look to galvanize their own base and stay true to that, they're an activist base that they're seen forming in the democratic party. however on the other side, republicans who are tied to law enforcement officials and president trump pressuring them on this issue. so, i don't see much compromise moving forward. i think a lot of that can be seen by just speaker pelosi's
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comments yesterday calling the gop bill unsalvageable. it's hard to see how this moves forward but as you say, a lot of this has to do with the sticking point of choke hold, a lot of democrats saying republicans are incentivizing -- you know, driving down choke holds, whereas, democrats would like to ban them altogether. >> let's talk about the results from yesterday's primaries which were pretty surprising to say the least. it seems as if, in some respects, if you take a look at kentucky. if you are taking a look at new york in new york as well, that the establishment candidates are having a difficult road forward. where, as the progressive candidates are the ones that are gaining steam. i'm wondering, from your perspective, if you feel like this is something that is presenting an overall theme, as we look ahead to november of 2020?
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>> i think it's absolutely projecting an overall theme. and it once again shows the strength of the progressive base. looking at eliot engel, he cruised to his seat in 2016. and he would probably never think he would be facing as formidable a challenger as jamal bowman, it looks like jamall bowman is much in the lead. we have thi36,000 votes counted this time. that's not counting a lot of absentee ballots that are coming in. looking at patel and kcarolyn maloney in a nearby district, a lot of us weren't looking at this as closely as the
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bowman/eliot race. but we're seeing a surprise, definitely a showing, similar to how alexandria cortez can burst on to the season in 2017. we don't have a lot of figuring out of louisville and lexington right now that could very much decide this race. but this is a red state. this is a state where you would think democrats are more moderate. you would think that amy mcgrath would have the national advantage. however, you're seeing charles booker, someone who came on to the national scene, over the past couple of weeks, really, giving her a run for her money. >> and a lot of money that is. she was backed by chuck schumer. she raised $40 million which is unprecedented in a race like this one. it's difficult to see how close
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that race is in kentucky. we're going to be watching that. julia manchester, thank you as always. stay close. i'll talk to you in a bit. still ahead, everybody, a former prosecutor in the roger stone case heads to capitol hill to testify about how he was reportedly cut breaks. and dr. anthony fauci with the possibility of the coronavirus vaccine. those stories and, of course, a check of your weather with bill karins when we come back.
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welcome back. until a house judiciary committee hearing today a federal prosecutor plans to testify that attorney general bill barr and his top deputies gave inappropriate orders in cases in an effort to cater to the president. the application is coming in prepared remarks of aaron zelensky, an assistant district
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in maryland who worked in the mueller case. he discussed the change in sentencing recommendation for roger stone. writing in part this, what i saw was the department of justice exerting significant pressure on the line prosecutors in the case to obscure the correct sentencing guidelines calculation to which roger stone was subject and to water down and in some cases outright distort the events that transpired in his trial and the criminal conduct that gave rise to his conviction. what i heard repeatedly was roger stone was being treated differently than any other defendant because of his relationship to the president. i was also told that the acting u.s. attorney was giving stone such unprecedented favorable treatment because he was, quote, afraid of the president. zelensky writes that he raised it with his superiors and
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resigned when they made the change anyway. joining me now, legal analyst danny cevallos. danny, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> aaron zielinski saying a lot in what i just red in that opening statement. a lot that is fairly alarming to say the least. what stood out to you? >> what stood out to me is what stood out back when the doj, the attorney general essentially filed a sentencing memorandum in roger stone's case that read exactly like a defendant's sentencing memorandum. i said at the time, i saved that memorandum, because i'm going to use it in one of my cases because it is so inconsistent with the doj or a prosecutor's typical sentencing memorandum. highly unusual. and i understand where zelensky is coming from, as a line prosecutor, this must have come as a total shock.
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the sentencing guide lininlines formulation based on the defendant's conduct. the doj said, yeah, yeah, all that, we still think he should get a lower sentence. highly unusual, not unlawful, because prosecutors can do that. they can disagree on the sentencing guidelines. but at the higher levels anytime these political gifts are given, you have to look at a potential, and i shutter to say the phrase after so many months, quid pro quo. if you remember there was an initial sentencing memorandum that zelensky talks about and that calculated the guidelines. and then the second one swooped in and basically said, we've taken a look and now we feel
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differently on which guidelines apply. the idea behind the sentencing guidelines, there's supposed to be a uniform to the sentencing but what you need to know, the judge doesn't need to follow them. it's really a recommendation and that's pretty much it. so it's not unusual to disagree about the guidelines. what's unusual is for the doj to disagree with itself about the application of the guidelines. and that's what's so strange about this case. especially dbecause they took away the determination by the prosecutors that worked on it. and then denied their own judgment by swooping in and giving opinion on the case. that from an optics perspective looked really, really bad from the beginning. >> well, we're all going to be watching the testimony of zelensky to get more on this. >> oh, yeah. >> danny cevallos, great to see you, my friend. still ahead, the european union is slowly easing the coronavirus restrictions. and officials are considering a ban on some foreign travelers,
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welcome back. citing u.s. failures in handling its outbreak, european union officials are prepared to block americans from entering the eu. as it looks to reopen its borders by july 1st. that is according to the eu's draft list of acceptable travelers, reviewed by "the new york times." the paper claims the possible exclusion of u.s. visitors as, quote, a stinging blow to american prestige in the world. and the repudiation of president trump's handling of the virus in the united states. a key benchmark is whether a country's average infection rate over the past two weeks is lower than the eu's current 16 for 1,000 people. 1 sits at 107 according to a
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database. along with the united states, russia and brazil excluded. reportedly on the list are countries such as uganda, vietnam and china. let's switch gears and get a first look at your forecast with nbc meteorologist bill karins. good morning, bill. >> good morning to you, yasmin. weather headlines, we're also watching out for flooding and we also have that dust that we've been talking about possibly headed your way for the weekend. first things first, we're watching for flash flooding and hearings the setup. we have the tropical air into the gulf of mexico and heading into texas and louisiana and the gulf coast. it looks like that tropical air mass will lead to flash flooding possibly until louisiana. and possibly in mississippi and even alabama. that's where we'll have that stall in the heaviest rain. so far, the heaviest rain in the
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houston area. another area of rain between lafayette and baton rouge this morning. just cloudy and cooler in mississippi and also alabama. as far as that huge dust cloud that came from africa, the 5,000-mile journey, looks like it arrives in east texas on thursday. they've had horrendous air quality in puerto rico yesterday. they said it was the worst in 50 years. we're going to watch for respiratory problems. there will be beautiful sunrises and sunsets, but we'll have to wait to see how far the air quality go. even in salt lake city, 93 degrees. in the great lakes, 80s. and warm day on the eastern seaboard, 88. in new york. a little sneaky drought taking place. we didn't have a lot of snow this past winter, those rainfall deficits are good.
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one good thing, yasmin, it's been so dry, the mosquitos have been much lower than normal so there's always a silver lining out there. >> always a silver lining and you always find it for us, bill karins. thank you. still ahead, everybody, dr. anthony fauci's warning for infections as coronavirus continues to surge in certain states. we'll take a look on capitol hill. and major league baseball is coming back. what we know about the deal struck for the 2020 season. we are back in a moment. k in a . to be honest a little dust it never bothered me.
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welcome back, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. we're going to begin this half hour with a stark warning to congress, from the nation's top infectious disease doctor. over the surge of covid-19 in parts of the country. >> however, in other areas of the country we're now seeing a disturbing surge of infections that looks like it's a combination. and one of the things is an increase in community spread. and that's something that i'm really quite concerned about. the next couple of weeks are going to be critical in our ability to address those surgings that we're seeing in florida, in texas, and in arizona and in other states. >> all right. so cases of covid are on the rise in almost half the states there some of which dr. fauci mentioned there with record numbers in texas and oklahoma where the president had the rally last night.
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and 2.3 million cases with deaths climbing from 500 to 1,000 a day. dr. fauci painted a much grimmer picture compared to the one given by the president who claimed last week that the virus would, quote, fade away, during his testimony. fauci urged americans to do a better job of taking precautions to reduce the spread. >> so, plan "a," don't go in a crowd. plan beencht"b," if you do, mak you wear a mask. we're still in the middle of the first wave, so before you start talking about what a second wave is what we'd like to do is get this outbreak under control, over the next couple of months. >> so, appearing before congress, dr. fauci also gave a time line for a covid vaccine. >> i feel cautiously optimistic, congresswoman, that we will be successful in getting a vaccine. there's never a guarantee of
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that. but the early data that we're seeing regarding the immu immunogenicity, i still think there's a good chance by the beginning of 2021, if we're going to have a vaccine, we'll have it by then. >> and fauci told lawmakers that there will be not any short cuts on safety. meanwhile, according to the. associated press, more than a dozen candidates are in various stages of testing around the world. and the president's aides are trying to clean up the remarks he made on the weekend about slowing down testing claiming that he was just kidding. but yesterday, trump insisted it was not a joke. >> were you just kidding -- >> i don't kid. let me just tell you, let me
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make it clear. we have got the greatest testing program anywhere in the world. we test better than anybody in the world. our tests are the best in the world. and we have the most of them. by having more tests, we find more cases. >> so, white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany who told reporters on monday the president's comments were, quote in jest was pressed again and said he was making a serious point. and noting that i don't kid. he was making a serious point but doing that with sarcasm at the rally. >> president suggested over the weekend, just the day before yesterday, that he wanted to slow that down. if we do that you can imagine the situation changing significantly? >> well, i think the president clearly said that in jest, in a rally, when he was talking about
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the numbers. and in no way is it the president's policy or our policy to slow down testing. >> and, of course, though, as the president said, he does not kid. so on capitol hill yesterday, dr. fauci was also asked about trump's remarks. >> i know for sure, that to my knowledge, none of us have ever been told to slow down on testing. that just is a fact. in fact, we will be doing more testing. >> all right. joining me once again political reporter for the hill, julia manchester. let's talk about some of dr. fauci's testimony, because he said a lot yesterday in washington, d.c. has high approval ratings throughout the country in some of the latest polling that we're seeing, a lot of americans are listening to what dr. fauci is saying, amidst of this pandemic, this wave one of our pandemic that we're in the middle of. and he broke from the president's comments on many
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respects, specifically when it comes to the question of testing that we have played over and over again. in fact, dr. fauci went the opposite direction in saying we are not doing enough in this country. we are not doing enough testing. >> right. it's interesting to see dr. fauci separately making these remarks from the president. you know, it was just a few months ago when we saw dr. fauci side by side with the president, presenting what really seemed to be a unifying front. but today with the latest remarks, president trump showing there's not really a lot of unity at the top with the leadership in the united states. that should spark concern for americans. i thought it was also interesting how dr. fauci pinpointed a lot of specific states like texas and florida, for example, where we're seeing a skyrocketing of cases. and we've seen the governors in a number of states, also, arizona, i'd like to point out, kind of push towards this idea of reopening the economy.
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but at the same time it seems to some people like this is almost been prioritized over the public health concerns over the coronavirus. >> so, this is a two-fold question. the first part of it is how our lawmakers in washington, d.c., how are they reacting to the president's comments? and then the follow-up to that, especially with those that are up for re-election come november, are they looking to distance themselves from this president, especially with the way that he has responded to this pandemic? >> so, in terms of how lawmakers are responding to president trump, i think you're seeing a lot of republicans either trying to defend those comments or trying to somehow justify them. or maybe even distancing themselves and staying quiet about them. and kind of, you know, looking to other sources for information. for the ones that are up for re-election, though, in november, i think you're really going to see a mixed bag.
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remember it depends really what state these officials are in. remember, we're seeing governors, most governors in the united states in their own state where president trump is, if they're in a state where the governor is polling higher and the president is polling lower, you're going to see themselves distancing themselves from the president. one thing i'd like to point out, yasmin, it's really too early to tell on this issue how the coronavirus will impact november. remember, we have five monthsing to. i think it depends how many more cases we see. how the federal government continues to respond. president trump could very well change his strategy and maybe focus more on the coronavirus pandemic. but he really seemed to make the economy more of a priority. and we know that that's something that he's relied on in the past. >> well, and we will very likely be in the middle of a second wave of the coronavirus, colliding with the flu season as
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well, as we head to the polls in november. julia manchester, thank you as always. great to see you this morning. speaking of 2020, former president obama joining joe biden on the virtual campaign trail for the first during a grassroots where he referred to the administration as, quote, shembolic. my predecessor who will i disagreed with on a whole host of issues still had say basic regard for the rule of law and the importance of our institutions. what we have seen over the last couple of years is a white house enabled by republicans in congress and a media structure that supports them, that has not
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just differed in terms of policy, but has gone to the. >> reporter: foundati-- foundat who we are and who we should be. what makes me optimistic is the fact that there is a great awakening going on around the country. particularly among younger people. who are saying not only are they fed up with shambolic, disorganized, mean spirited approach to governance that we've seen over the last couple of years. but more than that are eager to take on some of the core challenges that have been facing this country for centuries. >> all right. so the fbi says nascar driver bubba wallace was not the victim
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welcome back, everybody. major league baseball has officially announced a plan for a return to the field for a proposed coronavirus-shortened 60-game regular season expected to begin on july 23rd or 24th. the league said the announcement follows confirmation that the players union has accepted the health and safety protocols that will guide this sports return. players are expected to report for training by july 1st in a press release last night, the league explained that, quote, the proposed schedule will largely feature divisional play with the remaining portion of each club's games against their opposite league's corresponding
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geographicological division in order to mitigate travel. and the vast majority of the major league clubs are expected to conduct training in the ballparks in their primary home cities. also an fbi investigation has concluded that the noose found in nascar driver bubba wallace at talladega super speedway in alabama was a pole rope that had been placed there eight months ago. long before the stall was assigned to wallace which is the only black driver in the series. the fbi reports after a authorize rereviview of the act surrounding this event, we have confirmed that no crime was committed. although the noose was not tone to be in garage number 4 in
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2019, nobody could have known mr. wallace would be assigned to garage number 4 last week. but during the questions to wallace -- >> you have seen ropes like that in a garage, is that typical? >> don, the image of i have of what was hanging in my garage is not a garage -- i've been racing all my life. we've been at hundreds of garages, never had garage pools like that. so people that want to call it a garage pool and put out videos and photos of knots being in their -- as their evidence, go ahead. but from the evidence that we have, that i have, it's a straight-up noose. the fbi has stated it was a noose over and over again. nascar leadership has stated it was a noose. i can confirm that. i actually got evidence of what was hanging in my garage, over my car, around my pit crew guys torsion confirm that it was a noose.
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and never seen anything like it. >> okay. let's switch gears. bring in nbc meteorologist bill karins who has been tracking the covid numbers for us throughout the last couple of months. so bring us up to date this morning, bill, as we're taking a look at major surges across the country on the heels of that testimony from dr. fauci yesterday in washington. >> yeah. the numbers for positive cases were not good yesterday, yasmin. so, let's get into it. yesterday, new cases, 36,015. this breaks the tuesday record that we -- by about 2,000. that's the most new cases we've had reported on any tuesday since this has begun. where does that put us? this is the top five daily covid case. april 24th is the most in this country with 39,000. and yesterday almost reached number two, 36,015 cases
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yesterday. just to give you perspective, here's where we are now on the seven-day average. and look at the surge at the end of this graph. that's where we are now. the seven-day average is at 30,600. we peaked at 32,000. i mean, we are very close to this period right now becoming the peak for this first wave. so, yes, that gives perspective. so for all of the people out there in the crowd saying oh it's just a lot of younger people testing positive that aren't going to die from it. yesterday, the fatality number was the highest in the last 12 days, up to 863. there are still people dieing from this. that was a significant jump yesterday in the number of fatalities. yeah, those numbers, nothing was good out of any of those numbers yesterday. a quick look at the forecast, not a lot of concern, watch out for heavy rain on the gulf coast. a summerlike weather pattern, yasmin, not too many weather concerns out there.
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the fatality number is the one that everyone is watching in the days ahead to see if we see the increase in deaths now that we see the increase in cases. >> yeah, we'll be watching that. thank you, bill. still ahead, everybody, a look at the growing list of companies pulling their ads from facebook content moderation policy. that story and others driving your business day coming up. does that sound normal to you? it's time for a nunormal with nucala. my nunormal: fewer asthma attacks. my nunormal: less oral steroids. nucala is a once-monthly add-on injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. it targets and reduces eosinophils, a key cause of severe asthma. nucala is proven to help prevent severe asthma attacks and reduce the need for oral steroids. nucala is not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away if you have swelling of your face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred.
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welcome back. as facebook continues to draw criticism for its content moderation practices, several companies have decided to make a statement of their own and have boycotted running ads on the sites. cnbc karen cho is joining us live from london on this. every day we're seeing more companies, karen, jumping on pulling ads from facebook because of decisions it has made as a company. talk us through this. >> good morning, very strong action from the growing list of brands effectively pulling advertising on facebook and its
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picture-sharing social media platform instagram. this from the month of july, the move is part of the stop hate for profit campaign which effectively calls on facebook to take stricter measures against racist maker ben & jerry's says it will pause all paid advertising on facebook and instagram in the united states. earlier this week, we heard from north face and rei joining that campaign. now, tmagnolia pictures is the first hollywood studio also to turn its back on facebook, pausing its advertising in july. you may recall, earlier this month, it was facebook employees who rebelled. they took to the airwaves, calling on the technology giant to do more to tackle some of these issues. you may also remember that it was earlier this month when you saw a post from president trump that the facebook giant -- that the media giant did not do anything about -- it did not label, did not take it down, despite rival twitter putti int label on that post in the middle of the george floyd protest.
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so the action called upon by employees first, now it's companies joining the protest. facebook says it is committed to advancing equity and racial justice. now, on another matter, big news for retirees and pensioners. the irs has eased rules in reversing required retirement savings withdrawals. so if you take a required minimum distribution this year and want to reverse it, you may do so until the 31st of august. this falls under the cares act emergency legislation back in march. so, taxpayers who faced a mandated withdrawal from the 401(k) or the 403 b plan, or in fact, their individual retirement account, can skip those width drawlz this year. so a few changes there. >> yes, major changes there. cnbc's karen tso live from london for us. thank you so much. great to see you. up next, a look at axios' "1 big thing." and coming up on "morning joe," cory booker says the
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welcome back, everybody. joining us from washington with a look at axios a.m., co-founder and ceo of axios. jim, good morning to you. great to see you this wednesday morning. give us axios' "1 big thing" today. >> good morning to you. the big thing is the lost year, largely because of the coronavirus. if you look at several different categories -- 3% of restaurants are gone and say they're not going to come back. if you look at unemployment, especially for women, it's double digits now for the first time since 1948, really hit women hardest. you look at education. mckinesie has a study out saying for your average student, they lost about seven months of education.
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there, again, hits minorities hardest, hits hispanics, african-americans the hardest. and then the young people, when you have a bad job market like this, when you enter the job force in basically a big recession, it ends up taking you 10 to 15 years to recover economically from it. so, the damage is done, and it could get worse if you look at what fauci and others said yesterday. you know, texas now looking like it might have to close down, similar to new york. if the hospitals still get hit at the pace they're getting hit the last 48 hours. and so, the damage is done, and a lot of people are worried it could get worse. >> this is why i feel like it's numbers like these, statistics like these, it's why it's so difficult for folks to believe when the president says that this economy is going to bounce back quickly when we're not even through wave one, there's a wave two on the horizon, and you have employment numbers like you just talked about. >> yeah. i think he tends to look at the
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stock market and say the stock market has bounced back. it has. but as you know, the stock market's not the economy, and a lot of people don't hold stocks. and what worries people is you look at that massive deficit that we've built up, giving out stimulus checks, bailouts and other things that were necessary to keep the economy going. it's going to be years before the economy truly recovers. and there's a lot of small businesses, despite the ppp, that are not going to survive. there are a lot of jobs that went away that aren't going to come back. and so, it's going to take years to sort of crawl out of this, and that's why you can't just be thinking about the morning gauge, and is the market up or market not down. you have to start thinking about how do you fundamentally rebuild the country while also dealing with the pandemic? there are signs that it's actually getting worse, not better. half the states now that reopened are seeing a surge in cases. and yes, the death rate isn't what it was a month ago, but again this morning, spiking up a little bit. and so, we have to look at those indicators, because god forbid,
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if all the universities and a lot of stores and places that had planned to open in the fall now don't open because of the resurgence, the re-emergence in some of these areas of the virus, they will have a devastating economic consequence, which is why the president and larry kudlow keep saying there's nothing, basically, that would ever get him to shut down the economy again. they thought the effects were devastating and they'd rather have, i think, the health risk than the economic risk, which they would argue leads to even greater health risk down the road. >> so, let's talk 2020 for a moment, because we are having a split-screen moment between president trump and former vice president biden. i know that axios was reporting that trump is getting frustrated with the low profile from biden ahead of the november election, and he, in a way, is pressuring him to, quote, stop hiding. what do you make of this stark contrast that we are seeing between both campaigns, when you have joe biden holding these virtual fund-raisers online, as
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he did with former president obama, and then you have trump having a rally, trying to pack thousands of folks into an arena? >> i mean, listen, the strategy by joe biden right now looks brilliant, right? sit back, be very conservative, and let the election be about donald trump. and then donald trump tries to do this massive rally, and it was a debacle, in some ways of historic proportion, if you think of how big he said it was going to be, how many would pack in. a lot of people didn't show up, probably smartly so, given the virus surge in that state as well. and so, he wants to change the dynamic. mike allen has a fun, little scoop this morning that his first briefing of the day now, it's not intelligence, it's not the cia report about threats to the united states. it's a 5:30 a.m. briefing with jason miller, who's one of his top political gurus to get the latest on the polls and the latest on the practice eject ejectry -- trajectory. one of the things they're advising is smoke biden out, get him out there, make this about biden. there's a little insanity about that strategy in that how will
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this not be a referendum on donald trump? i think that's impossible because you can't ask to be in my life every day and for someone not to the cast a verdict on you. >> that is virtually impossible, and i feel like that is a fact. jim vanehei, thank you very much. i will be reading "axios a.m." in a little bit. sign up for the newsletter. that's it for me on this wednesday morning. i'm yasmin vossoughian. "morning joe" starts right now. however, in other areas of the country, we're now seeing a disturbing surge of infections that looks like it's a combination, but one of the things is an increase in community spread, and that's something that i'm really quite concerned about. the next couple of weeks are going to be critical in our ability to address those surgeings that we're seeing in florida, in texas, in arizona, and in other states.

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